MJ Fans!!! Let's Show Support & Compassion for Katy Perry (Who Is Under Horrific Attack)

[Arckangel]

Any fans of Katy Perry on here?

Perry is now undergoing a silly, horrific—unjustified—backlash that is partly fuelled by her reassociation with Dr. Luke.

Dr. Luke was NEVER arrested, charged, convicted or found liable of forced intoxication and rape of Kesha who, just like Wade Robson and James Safechuck, changed her story several times.

Kesha reportedly started spreading rumours in 2005, reportedly went back to working with Dr. Luke in 2008, and testified under oath in 2011 that Dr. Luke had never roofied her, made sexual advances to her, and that she never had an intimate relationship with him. Her mother also testified during the same deposition that she wasn't aware of Dr. Luke doing anything inappropriate to her daughter.

In 2014, Kesha publicly accused Dr. Luke of roofying her and raping her. She also accused him of raping Katy Perry, and her lawyer implied that he raped Lady Gaga. Both Perry and Gaga denied such incidents.

And in 2023, Kesha conceded in a settlement that she has no clear recollection of events and that "only God knows what happened that night," yet people are still giving Katy Perry Hell over her recent reassociation with Dr. Luke. It's Perry's manager Chris Anokute that recommended that she work with Dr. Luke again—Anokute is a firm believer in Dr. Luke's innocence.


Katy Perry is also getting dragged and lynched over false accusations of "stealing elderly people's lands," over her participation in a Jeff Bezos/Blue Origin space flight that five other women also took part in, over her playful, cartoonish personality (people are condescendingly pressing her to "act her age" at 40), etc.

As fans of Michael Jackson who went through so many such horrific backlashes (and is still being lynched in the afterlife on Earth by peeps like Dan Reed, ROBson & SafeCHECK), we can empathize.

The current hate train on Katy Perry is frightening w/ all those videos being uploaded about how much "she's cringe, out of touch," about how "her tour is flopping and her career is over" (even though she's still #28 in the world on Spotify w/ over 62M monthly listeners), and some further nonsense.

 

[innuendo141]

I've seen some awful videos of her concert, which deserve criticism but online culture (especially catty pop fans) won't change their stripes unfortunately.

I found the space stuff absolutely cringeworthy myself, but I just tend to avoid Katy Perry at all costs usually. She comes across like she has some issues which I hope she can work on properly.

 

[LiveItOffTheWall]

Katy Perry hasn't had a hit song in about a decade. Plus, everything she says and does is completely out of touch (i.e. the whole blue origin space flight and its aftermath).

If her fans want to go to bat for her they are more than welcome to. IMO, this is far more a case of someone's 15 minutes being up rather than some grand conspiracy against her.

She doesn't make hit music anymore and no one can save her from that.

 

[Arckangel]

I've seen some awful videos of her concert, which deserve criticism but online culture (especially catty pop fans) won't change their stripes unfortunately.

I found the space stuff absolutely cringeworthy myself, but I just tend to avoid Katy Perry at all costs usually. She comes across like she has some issues which I hope she can work on properly.

Michael Jackson also used futuristic or robotic aesthetics. Besides, Katy Perry has a goofy, comedic personality, so some of the dance moves, etc. can't be taken too seriously.

According to the reviews that I read, she sings well, and she delivers a great performance throughout.

As I noted, Katy Perry was not the only one on that space flight. Gayle King, who was also on that flight, wonders why there is more of a backlash when it's women going to space. Also, in order for space exploration to keep advancing, there must be such programs. People may not see the usefulness of that, but in the future, it may truly be useful.

And Dr. Luke is in a position that is similar to that of Michael Jackson—innocent but so many people have decided to convict him based on one single dubious accusation and just working with him may cause an artist like Katy Perry to be cancelled by some!

As a fan of both Michael Jackson and Katy Perry, I can't help but feel enormous compassion. Even if you don't like Katy Perry, when you see those horrible, scornful headlines, doesn't it make you think of what was done and what is still being done to Michael Jackson?

 

[innuendo141]

Michael Jackson also used futuristic or robotic aesthetics. Besides, Katy Perry has a goofy, comedic personality, so some of the dance moves, etc. can't be taken too seriously.

According to the reviews that I read, she sings well, and she delivers a great performance throughout.

As I noted, Katy Perry was not the only one on that space flight. Gayle King, who was also on that flight, wonders why there is more of a backlash when it's women going to space. Also, in order for space exploration to keep advancing, there must be such programs. People may not see the usefulness of that, but in the future, it may truly be useful.

And Dr. Luke is in a position that is similar to that of Michael Jackson—innocent but so many people have decided to convict him based on one single dubious accusation and just working with him may cause an artist like Katy Perry to be cancelled by some!

As a fan of both Michael Jackson and Katy Perry, I can't help but feel enormous compassion. Even if you don't like Katy Perry, when you see those horrible, scornful headlines, doesn't it make you think of what was done and what is still being done to Michael Jackson?

I think you need to read my post again.

 

[Arckangel]

Katy Perry hasn't had a hit song in about a decade. Plus, everything she says and does is completely out of touch (i.e. the whole blue origin space flight and its aftermath).

If her fans want to go to bat for her they are more than welcome to. IMO, this is far more a case of someone's 15 minutes being up rather than some grand conspiracy against her.

She doesn't make hit music anymore and no one can save her from that.

But she is still #28 on Spotify with over 62M monthly listeners. That's huge! A lot indie artists are artists would give anything just for 10,000 steady monthly listeners.

Obviously, numerous people across the world are still listening to Katy Perry on a regular basis. That is just as important as having a "current mega hit."

Dr. Luke is responsible for many of Katy Perry's great hits, and it's Kesha that caused Perry to stop working with him years ago. Witness and Smile are great album nonetheless, and 143 as Dr. Luke on it as a main co-writer and co-producer. What more can Perry do?

It's that demonization of Dr. Luke that is causing Katy Perry's downfall, I think, just like all those false allegations caused the downfall of Michael Jackson. But in the end, they still remain great stars.

And I honestly don't get what is the big deal with that trip to space. If it's such a big deal, why is Katy Perry getting more flak for it than the five other women? Those who have genuine concerns about the project itself should address their grievances to Blue Origin/Jeff Bezos.

 

[Arckangel]

I think you need to read my post again.

I honestly can't see any "issues" that she currently has. I just can't see it. I think that she's being treated and portrayed in an unfair negative light just like Michael Jackson was.

Michael Jackson was also portrayed as being cringe, grotesque, out of touch, weird, too eccentric, etc., and he's still portrayed as such by some. Britney Spears too!

 

[jasmine.uddin]

I don't know much about the Kesha abuse case, I remember vaguely seeing it covered in the news at the time. But its really frustrating when social media wants to play judge and jury after someone has been cleared in court.

I agree, to me both Kesha and KP insatiable need for attention did always come across like they needed serious help. And KP needs to accept that the cartoon persona she went out of her way to craft does not always work in her favour. However, the current social media culture of extreme bullying is so disproportionate to any valid criticism. Hope things get better for KP.

Not sure this situation can be compared to MJ. People still wanted to work with MJ after his trial, despite all the backlash he received, MJ was working towards a sell out concert at the end of his life.

Also, not sure this can be compared to LN situation, as KP is alive and can speak for herself. MJ couldn't do this, hence his fans did.

 

[FallingFree]

Any fans of Katy Perry on here?

Perry is now undergoing a silly, horrific—unjustified—backlash that is partly fuelled by her reassociation with Dr. Luke.

Dr. Luke was NEVER arrested, charged, convicted or found liable of forced intoxication and rape of Kesha who, just like Wade Robson and James Safechuck, changed her story several times.

Kesha reportedly started spreading rumours in 2005, reportedly went back to working with Dr. Luke in 2008, and testified under oath in 2011 that Dr. Luke had never roofied her, made sexual advances to her, and that she never had an intimate relationship with him. Her mother also testified during the same deposition that she wasn't aware of Dr. Luke doing anything inappropriate to her daughter.

In 2014, Kesha publicly accused Dr. Luke of roofying her and raping her. She also accused him of raping Katy Perry, and her lawyer implied that he raped Lady Gaga. Both Perry and Gaga denied such incidents.

And in 2023, Kesha conceded in a settlement that she has no clear recollection of events and that "only God knows what happened that night," yet people are still giving Katy Perry Hell over her recent reassociation with Dr. Luke. It's Perry's manager Chris Anokute that recommended that she work with Dr. Luke again—Anokute is a firm believer in Dr. Luke's innocence.


Katy Perry is also getting dragged and lynched over false accusations of "stealing elderly people's lands," over her participation in a Jeff Bezos/Blue Origin space flight that five other women also took part in, over her playful, cartoonish personality (people are condescendingly pressing her to "act her age" at 40), etc.

As fans of Michael Jackson who went through so many such horrific backlashes (and is still being lynched in the afterlife on Earth by peeps like Dan Reed, ROBson & SafeCHECK), we can empathize.

The current hate train on Katy Perry is frightening w/ all those videos being uploaded about how much "she's cringe, out of touch," about how "her tour is flopping and her career is over" (even though she's still #28 in the world on Spotify w/ over 62M monthly listeners), and some further nonsense.

Yeah, I agree it's way overboard, but it's mostly the Lady Gaga fans who keep spreading hate about her.

Everytime she does or says something, they run to social media to tear her down. They are VILE, and all because of KP beat her to #1 with Roar all those years ago. lol The Dr Luke thing is just the ammunation they needed, they couldn't care less about Kesha.

 

[innuendo141]

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[LiveItOffTheWall]

But she is still #28 on Spotify with over 62M monthly listeners. That's huge! A lot indie artists are artists would give anything just for 10,000 steady monthly listeners.

Obviously, numerous people across the world are still listening to Katy Perry on a regular basis. That is just as important as having a "current mega hit."

Dr. Luke is responsible for many of Katy Perry's great hits, and it's Kesha that caused Perry to stop working with him years ago. Witness and Smile are great album nonetheless, and 143 as Dr. Luke on it as a main co-writer and co-producer. What more can Perry do?

It's that demonization of Dr. Luke that is causing Katy Perry's downfall, I think, just like all those false allegations caused the downfall of Michael Jackson. But in the end, they still remain great stars.

And I honestly don't get what is the big deal with that trip to space. If it's such a big deal, why is Katy Perry getting more flak for it than the five other women? Those who have genuine concerns about the project itself should address their grievances to Blue Origin/Jeff Bezos.

If you think you are going to brow beat MJ fans into supporting Katy Perry because she worked with someone who was accused of rape, you are going to find your efforts a waste of time. If you want to support KP go right ahead but if you expect MJ fans to jump on the bandwagon in what is a vastly different situation, you are going to be disappointed.

KP has moved into legacy artist territory, your comments above prove that. It's great if you have enjoyed her music over the last 10 years but mainstream pop culture hasn't. And that's because it hasn't been good not because of Dr. Luke. For an artist like KP, she is only as relevant as her last hit single. Otherwise, like I said, it's legacy land for her.

Yes, some of the criticism being directed at the space flight in general has more to do with Jeff Bezos than Katy Perry. However, KP has brought a ton of criticism on herself and, imo, rightfully so. How utterly embarrassing for women is it when she goes to space and instead of paying attention to the amazing, breathtaking sites or spending any time up there taking it all in, she is too busy staring at a camera with a stupid look on her face and a flower in her hand while revealing the set list for her upcoming tour Shit like that sets us back, it doesn't move us forward.

Again, if you like KP you are more than welcome to spend your time online defending her. But don't expect the rest of us to join you simply because she chose to work with someone accused of rape. That in no way, shape, or form, puts her in the same boat as Michael Jackson.

 

[zinniabooklover]

And I honestly don't get what is the big deal with that trip to space. If it's such a big deal, why is Katy Perry getting more flak for it than the five other women? Those who have genuine concerns about the project itself should address their grievances to Blue Origin/Jeff Bezos.

The media coverage could certainly be blamed for the Blue Origin backlash but KP really didn't help herself. There were only two scientists on that space jaunt, everyone else was just media fodder, imo.

Aisha Bowe is an aerospace engineer. Amanda Nguyen is an bioastronautics researcher. I think one of them has attempted to get through the astronaut training programme, not sure if they succeeded. But Amanda Nguyen did at least take a few in-space projects to conduct during the flight. But so much of the media attention was KP waving her daisy flower at the camera and releasing a 'butterfly'. KP is not a beginner in the pop industry, she knows how the media works. If she chooses to use her 10 minutes in space mostly smiling into a camera she's going to get some blowback. If she falls to the ground and kisses the soil when she gets out of the machine people are going to take the p!ss. She didn't just step out of Apollo 13!

Imo, this was a space tourism thing. Jeff Bezos might be fine-tuning his space machines for possible future space tourism. But these women are not astronauts.

I'd rather hear more about the female astronaut (and her male colleague) that was trapped in space.

Yes, some of the criticism being directed at the space flight in general has more to do with Jeff Bezos than Katy Perry. However, KP has brought a ton of criticism on herself and, imo, rightfully so. How utterly embarrassing for women is it when she goes to space and instead of paying attention to the amazing, breathtaking sites or spending any time up there taking it all in, she is too busy staring at a camera with a stupid look on her face and a flower in her hand while revealing the set list for her upcoming tour Shit like that sets us back, it doesn't move us forward.

oh god, she didn't, did she? I didn't see that. I tuned out of the media coverage bc the entire thing was so ridiculous, imo. Is this feminism in 2025, KP using her space jaunt to promote her upcoming tour?

 

[LiveItOffTheWall]

oh god, she didn't, did she? I didn't see that. I tuned out of the media coverage bc the entire thing was so ridiculous, imo. Is this feminism in 2025, KP using her space jaunt to promote her upcoming tour?

Yes! The set list was written on the butterfly she released into zero gravity

 

[Arckangel]

The media coverage could certainly be blamed for the Blue Origin backlash but KP really didn't help herself. There were only two scientists on that space jaunt, everyone else was just media fodder, imo.

That was the point; inviting some celebrities to go to space.

Yes, some of the criticism being directed at the space flight in general has more to do with Jeff Bezos than Katy Perry. However, KP has brought a ton of criticism on herself and, imo, rightfully so. How utterly embarrassing for women is it when she goes to space and instead of paying attention to the amazing, breathtaking sites or spending any time up there taking it all in, she is too busy staring at a camera with a stupid look on her face and a flower in her hand while revealing the set list for her upcoming tour Shit like that sets us back, it doesn't move us forward.

oh god, she didn't, did she? I didn't see that. I tuned out of the media coverage bc the entire thing was so ridiculous, imo. Is this feminism in 2025, KP using her space jaunt to promote her upcoming tour?

It's important to notice that the entire duration of the flight was not only spent posing and plugging her tour. Those are only very short snippets of the whole flight. And it was never advertised as some big, important space mission. It was more to introduce the world to future possibilities, and it was a short, cool space visit. People are taking this waaay too seriously. You make a good point about Aisha Bowe being an aerospace engineer and Amanda Nguyen being a bioastronautics researcher. But Katy Perry, Gayle King and the others were still allowed to take part in the trip. I still fail to see the big shock or scandal—it doesn't bother me at all; I think that was just cool—but I appreciate your perspective.

As for Perry briefly plugging her tour, so what? Her current tour has a space/futuristic feel to it, and it's not any worse than influencers doing crazy ass stuff, even stupidly perilous stuff for attention. At least, she and the other ladies were in a safe, controlled environment.

After 143 underperformed (mainly because of Dr. Luke's involvement—no proof he's guilty), Perry had every right to use that opportunity to plug her tour. I would shamelessly have done the same thing. Major corporations like Pepsi, Coca-Cola and McDonald's still spend hundreds of millions on advertising. Likewise, artists have to promote their stuff, esp. now that they're competing against thousands of A.I. songs released weekly!

Again, if you like KP you are more than welcome to spend your time online defending her. But don't expect the rest of us to join you simply because she chose to work with someone accused of rape. That in no way, shape, or form, puts her in the same boat as Michael Jackson.

Perry's situation may not be the exact same as MJ, but here's where I'm coming from...

I'm around Perry's age, and over twenty years ago, in Sep. 2001, I used to post on the defunct Madonnamusic.com forum (Madonna's official forum at the time). And there was that discussion started by one of the users, a thread called "How weird is Michael Jackson?" Mind you, that was before the whole Martin Bashir and Arvizo thing, there were fewer accusations against him back then, but quite a large part of the public had already been turned against him. All those fans were all ganging up on him, and I remember one of them saying that the Chandler settlement "screamed guilty," which clearly showed that that person hadn't done his research. I tried my best to explain why I believed Jackson was innocent, and it didn't go too well... It degenerated into a frightening showdown... And Sep. 11 occurred, and that shut the discussion.

Just to tell you that I have experience dealing w/ online mobs and flame wars... I've seen many artists from Michael Jackson himself to Madonna (a big supporter of Jackson, even after LN) to Britney Spears (2007–2008 was terrible) to Jennifer Lopez to Marilyn Manson to Metallica to even Mariah Carey, Céline Dion and Whitney Houston go through lynch mobs.

It's not Perry's first period of backlash—years ago, during her Witness era, a lot of people turned on her just because she cut her hair short and dyed it blonde... Shows you how petty the public (incl. catty pop fans, as innuendo141 put it) can be. The first single off Witness, "Chained to the Rhythm," was about a more profound subject matter, and she got flak for it. And when she released something lighter like "Bon Appétit," she still got flak for it. People wanted the long, raven hair back. They said cutting and dying it hurt her image, and subsequently her sales. She grew it back, so why aren't the sales going up? Oh... Because she worked w/ a man who was once accused by a woman who repeatedly changed her story whenever it fit her...

I appreciate all the viewpoints and input I've gotten here. But sincerely, as an MJ fan, even if the situations are not the exact same, it's all very similar to me. I'm sure that MJ would want to give Katy Perry a big hug.

 

[Arckangel]

Yeah, I agree it's way overboard, but it's mostly the Lady Gaga fans who keep spreading hate about her.

Everytime she does or says something, they run to social media to tear her down. They are VILE, and all because of KP beat her to #1 with Roar all those years ago. lol The Dr Luke thing is just the ammunation they needed, they couldn't care less about Kesha.

Those fans are terrible for doing this. How old are they?

If you check Katy Perry's current Instagram/Facebook stories, you'll see that she attended Gaga's Mayhem promotional concert last night in Mexico (Katy Perry is also currently touring Mexico). She loves Gaga and considers her a friend.

Katy Perry Praises Lady Gaga After Attending 'Mayhem' Tour in Mexico City: 'So Proud of You'

Katy Perry supported Lady Gaga at her Mexico City concert on Sunday, April 27, days after Perry launched her Lifetimes Tour.

people.com

Katy Perry Praises Lady Gaga After Attending ‘Mayhem’ Show: ‘So Proud of You’

Katy Perry praised Lady Gaga's concert in Mexico City and later wrote that she's "so proud" of her friend.

www.billboard.com

 

[LiveItOffTheWall]

That was the point; inviting some celebrities to go to space.



It's important to notice that the entire duration of the flight was not only spent posing and plugging her tour. Those are only very short snippets of the whole flight. And it was never advertised as some big, important space mission. It was more to introduce the world to future possibilities, and it was a short, cool space visit. People are taking this waaay too seriously. You make a good point about Aisha Bowe being an aerospace engineer and Amanda Nguyen being an bioastronautics researcher. But Katy Perry, Gayle King and the others were still allowed to take part of the trip. I still fail to see the big shock or scandal—it doesn't bother me at all; I think that was just cool—but I appreciate your perspective.

As for Perry briefly plugging her tour, so what? Her current tour has a space/futuristic feel to it, and it's not any worse than influencers doing crazy ass stuff, even stupidly perilous stuff for attention. At least, she and the other ladies were in a safe, controlled environment.

After 143 underperformed (mainly because of Dr. Luke's involvement—no proof he's guilty), Perry had every right to use that opportunity to plug her tour. I would shamelessly have done the same thing. Major corporations like Pepsi, Coca-Cola and McDonald's still spend hundreds of millions on advertising. Likewise, artists have to promote their stuff, esp. now that they're competing against thousands of A.I. songs released weekly!

Perry's situation may not be the exact same as MJ, but here's where I'm coming from...

I'm around Perry's age, and over twenty years ago, in Sep. 2001, I used to post on the defunct Madonnamusic.com forum (Madonna's official forum at the time). And there was that discussion started by one of the users, a thread called "How weird is Michael Jackson?" Mind you, that was before the whole Martin Bashir and Arvizo thing, there were fewer accusations against him back then, but quite a large part of the public had already been turned against him. All those fans were all ganging up on him, and I remember one of them saying that the Chandler settlement "screamed guilty," which clearly showed that that person hadn't done his research. I tried my best to explain why I believed Jackson was innocent, and it didn't go too well... It degenerated into a frightening showdown... And Sep. 11 occurred, and that shut the discussion.

Just to tell you that I have experience dealing w/ online mobs and flame wars... I've seen many artists from Michael Jackson himself to Madonna (a big supporter of Jackson, even after LN) to Britney Spears (2007–2008 was terrible) to Jennifer Lopez to Marilyn Manson to Metallica to even Mariah Carey, Céline Dion and Whitney Houston go through lynch mobs.

It's not Perry's first period of backlash—years ago, during her Witness era, a lot of people turned on her just because she cut her hair short and dyed it blonde... Shows you how petty the public (incl. catty pop fans, as innuendo141 put it) can be. The first single off Witness, "Chained to the Rhythm," was about a more profound subject matter, and she got flak for it. And when she released something lighter like "Bon Appétit," she still got flak for it. People wanted the long, raven hair back. They said cutting and dying it hurt her image, and subsequently her sales. She grew it back, so why aren't the sales going up? Oh... Because she worked w/ a man who was once accused by a woman who repeatedly changer her story whenever it fit her...

I appreciate all the viewpoints and input I've gotten here. But sincerely, as an MJ fan, even if the situations are not the exact same, it's all very similar to me. I'm sure that MJ would want to give Katy Perry a big hug.

Sorry, that was too long to read and there's really no point to this conversation. You aren't going to amass some major army of MJ fans to start trolling social media defending Katy Perry. It's just not going to happen.

Ultimately, I reject your initial hypothesis. KPs career flop has nothing to do with Dr. Luke and everything to do with herself and her crappy music.

I wish you the best of luck though trying to save her career

 

[zinniabooklover]

That was the point; inviting some celebrities to go to space.

Well, sure. So there's no surprise when people mock the whole endeavour as being a vanity project. The celebrities will gain media attention but some people will still ask, 'what's the point of this?'

It's important to notice that the entire duration of the flight was not only spent posing and plugging her tour. Those are only very short snippets of the whole flight.

Sure. The whole thing could be unpacked for days. Is it down to how they presented the thing? Is the media at fault for focusing on the silly aspects of it? Can you expect your space jaunt to be taken seriously when you seem to be cosplaying, in your glamorous Oscar de la Renta outfits?

Look, I mostly drc about this thing. I just think Lauren Sanchez and her pals shouldn't be surprised if some people are underwhelmed by what they did up there. Gayle King is perfectly entitled to defend herself but, otoh, if she brings Alan Shepherd into the convo, again, people are just going to laugh at her. He was an astronaut, she was in space for 10 minutes. She's an experienced media person, she should be able to handle this much better than she did. She could have name-checked the first woman in space, back in 1963. She could have name-checked Suni Williams, the female astronaut that was trapped in space for months. She could have tried a bit of self-deprecation, that usually works. She could have told us something about the research that Amanda Nguyen was conducting. Or orchestrated an opportunity for Amanda to speak for herself. But she didn't do any of that.

And it was never advertised as some big, important space mission.

Again, sure. The Blue Origin people even refer to the women as passengers, which is what they are.

It was more to introduce the world to future possibilities,

Which I am critical of but, OK.

and it was a short, cool space visit. People are taking this waaay too seriously.

I think people are mostly laughing. I think those women are taking themselves too seriously. Or at least, Gayle King is.

You make a good point about Aisha Bowe being an aerospace engineer and Amanda Nguyen being an bioastronautics researcher. But Katy Perry, Gayle King and the others were still allowed to take part of the trip. I still fail to see the big shock or scandal—it doesn't bother me at all; I think that was just cool—but I appreciate your perspective.

I'm not sure anyone is shocked or scandalised. Gayle King and Katy Perry could have handled the PR aspect of this much better than they did and they probably would have got a much better response. I don't know how much input the women had into how this was going to be spun to the media but, again, GK has years of tv experience under her belt. This shouldn't be hard for her.

As for Perry briefly plugging her tour, so what? Her current tour has a space/futuristic feel to it, and it's not any worse than influencers doing crazy ass stuff, even stupidly perilous stuff for attention. At least, she and the other ladies were in a safe, controlled environment.

Fair enough but I'm not sure they can have it both ways. Is it just a vanity jaunt into space and KP decides to use the time to plug her tour? Or is it a serious initiative that is going to advance knowledge which is what Gayle King seems to want us to believe. I think they needed to be clearer as to what the objectives were - assuming they had any. Ultimately it's a Jeff Bezos thing but these women are not helpless puppets. They can speak for themselves and they could have put a much more interesting spin on this.

KP can plug her tour. No-one was harmed by that but maybe the environment was? Being blasted into space and using it to plug your tour which doesn't seem to be doing so well with US ticket sales? Seems a bit harsh to put that much pressure on planet Earth.

GK can plead to be taken seriously. We are free to ignore her if we so choose and we can laugh at KP and GK's melodramatic exit from the machine.

I wish no ill-will to KP and I haven't really got anything more to say about any of this so I'll sign off.

 

[Masonh]

Who is Katy Perry?

 

[Masonh]

 

[jasmine.uddin]

It's not Perry's first period of backlash—years ago, during her Witness era, a lot of people turned on her just because she cut her hair short and dyed it blonde... Shows you how petty the public (incl. catty pop fans, as innuendo141 put it) can be. The first single off Witness, "Chained to the Rhythm," was about a more profound subject matter, and she got flak for it. And when she released something lighter like "Bon Appétit," she still got flak for it. People wanted the long, raven hair back. They said cutting and dying it hurt her image, and subsequently her sales. She grew it back, so why aren't the sales going up? Oh... Because she worked w/ a man who was once accused by a woman who repeatedly changer her story whenever it fit her...

Since this situation is not KPs first backlash and she has experienced poor sales before, I think you have inadvertently proven that the issue is her music. Irrespective of whether she has black hair or not, or whether Dr Luke is involved or not, the common denominator is KP in her music.

Defending Michael Jackson who was under an investigation for a crime, and defending KP for poor music sales and her questionable behaviour in her trip to space, are two very different things. The backlash MJ received was serious as it falsely convinced others that he was guilty of an abhorrent crime, the backlash KP is receiving does not in any way incriminate her. I'm sorry, but I don't think they are in any way similar.

But people can take things too far online, I'm sure they will have moved onto ridicule someone else soon enough. And while it is not fair for celebs to be lynch mobbed for every mistake they make, these celebs have chosen to live a life in the public glare, and when they choose to bring attention to themselves publicly, people are free to praise or criticise them publicly.

 

[kelley]

How about no.

Did Katy perry ever use her platform to defend Michael?

No?

I don't think so

 

[Mister_Jay_Tee]

Katy Perry is as mid as flouride free toothpaste. Why anyone likes her stuff I truly don't understand.

 

[Oshawott99]

I'm surprised that people are actually defending Katy Perry; yes, some of the hate she's received lately has been a bit forced given that some of the stuff she's being criticized for (her awful dancing on stage, the rocket thing, etc.) is just nitpicking, but the core of the "hate" she got in her latest music era stems the fact that she willingly went back to working with an alleged rapist producer who allegedly date raped Katy's former friend Kesha.

This comes after Katy had said in court that she didn't want to pick sides between Dr. Luke and Kesha, yet her decision to work with him again years later proves that she favors Dr. Luke. And to rub salt in the wound she claims to be all about female empowerment yet her song Woman's World was produced by a man who was not only accused of date raping Kesha, but who also has a history of treating other female artists unfairly, such as Kelly Clarkson and Pink. And it doesn't help that Katy hasn't apologized for working with such a controversial figure in the first place.

Personally, I'm not going to side with Katy, and I don't know why there's parallels being drawn between her and Michael. Michael's hate trains were unwarranted because they usually stemmed from circumstances outside of his control or that were exaggerated by the media, but Katy's 143 era has been a disaster specifically because of her decisions.

 

[Arckangel]

Since this situation is not KPs first backlash and she has experienced poor sales before, I think you have inadvertently proven that the issue is her music. Irrespective of whether she has black hair or not, or whether Dr Luke is involved or not, the common denominator is KP in her music.

Defending Michael Jackson who was under an investigation for a crime, and defending KP for poor music sales and her questionable behaviour in her trip to space, are two very different things. The backlash MJ received was serious as it falsely convinced others that he was guilty of an abhorrent crime, the backlash KP is receiving does not in any way incriminate her. I'm sorry, but I don't think they are in any way similar.

But people can take things too far online, I'm sure they will have moved onto ridicule someone else soon enough. And while it is not fair for celebs to be lynch mobbed for every mistake they make, these celebs have chosen to live a life in the public glare, and when they choose to bring attention to themselves publicly, people are free to praise or criticise them publicly.

See.. When I debate w/ supporters of ROBson & SafeCHECK, they can't even fathom the possibility that they'd be untruthful, even when faced w/ the big train station lie and some other major inconsistencies (and changing stories). And they ignore all evidence that all the previous allegations were fabricated by greedy parents, overzealous investigators and pedofantasists such as Rodney Allen and Victor Guttierez.

When I debate w/ guilters of Dr. Luke (whether or not they are actual fans of Kesha), they can't even fathom the possibility that she'd be untruthful (esp. considering her inconsistent declarations and demeanour) or that somebody else may have victimized her (she ultimately stated she has no clear recollection after all).

This is where I draw the parallels. Dr. Luke, the way I frankly see it, is enduring a lifelong public condemnation of sexual abuse, of rape, even though he was never even arrested, was never condemned in any court, and there are elements and insider reports that point to his innocence.

In both cases, those guilters refuse to do any actual research and rather rely on sensational headlines, hit pieces, and stupid virtue signalling. If y'all don't see the parallels, it's okay; I just have a different perspective.


Sales of Witness (2017) were seen as a disappointment at the time, but they were not exactly—poor. "In the United States, Witness debuted at number one on the Billboard 200 with 180,000 album-equivalent units, which included 162,000 pure album sales. The record had the highest opening in the US for a female since Lady Gaga's Joanne in 2016 and became the second album by a female artist from 2017, after Halsey's Hopeless Fountain Kingdom, to open atop the chart. [...] As of July 2018, Witness has sold 900,000 copies worldwide." – Wiki

Compared to the 4.5 million copies Prism sold worldwide, it was seen as a disappointment, but sales were not exactly poor. The subsequent Witness Tour, though not a smash hit, did decently. As for her Play residency, it did better. Her Smile (2020) album sold 1.5 copies worldwide, which is once again not exactly poor. 143 (2024) sold 100,000 units in the U.S. three months after its release (I'm looking up the worldwide sales), and that can be explained by two things: 1. Sales being lower for everybody. 2. The Dr. "Luke scandal." Not so much her music being poor or subpar... On the contrary! Katy Perry is a talented, seasoned singer and songwriter, and any objective reviewer will recognize that.

We can't objectively affirm that the Dr. Luke scandal did not affect her latest sales—it did, but as I stated in my original post, she's still #28 in the world w/ over 62M monthly listeners despite all the backlash. Those streams are mostly driven by her back catalogue—co-written/co-produced by Dr. Luke! And people who go to her shows expect to hear some of those old hits.

If the "court of public opinion" believed in due process, the presumption of innocence, and cared to do basic research, none of that backlash would be—except maybe for the space trip, but not to that extent.

 

[Arckangel]

I'm surprised that people are actually defending Katy Perry; yes, some of the hate she's received lately has been a bit forced given that some of the stuff she's being criticized for (her awful dancing on stage, the rocket thing, etc.) is just nitpicking, but the core of the "hate" she got in her latest music era stems the fact that she willingly went back to working with an alleged rapist producer who allegedly date raped Katy's former friend Kesha.

This comes after Katy had said in court that she didn't want to pick sides between Dr. Luke and Kesha, yet her decision to work with him again years later proves that she favors Dr. Luke. And to rub salt in the wound she claims to be all about female empowerment yet her song Woman's World was produced by a man who was not only accused of date raping Kesha, but who also has a history of treating other female artists unfairly, such as Kelly Clarkson and Pink. And it doesn't help that Katy hasn't apologized for working with such a controversial figure in the first place.

Personally, I'm not going to side with Katy, and I don't know why there's parallels being drawn between her and Michael. Michael's hate trains were unwarranted because they usually stemmed from circumstances outside of his control or that were exaggerated by the media, but Katy's 143 era has been a disaster specifically because of her decisions.

I honestly don't find Kesha all that credible (see my post above), and like Chris Anokute, Perry's manager, I tend to believe in Dr. Luke's innocence. I'll remind you that Anokute encouraged Perry to work w/ Dr. Luke again and Kesha has been very inconsistent in her stories just like Robson & Safechuck.

Frankly, I still do not believe that Perry did anything wrong. She's always had a goofy, cartoonish personality (a bit similar to Jackson who was always a kid at heart), so the themes and aesthetics of her Lifetimes Tour come at no surprise for me. If anything, Perry working w/ Dr. Luke again is her making a statement against undue condemnations fuelled by dubious claims. As an MJ and Katy Perry fan, how can I be of the opinion that no artist should ever work w/ Dr. Luke? Maybe he was a prick to certain singers, that's unfortunate but still not proof he committed such unspeakable acts. Besides, Katy Perry was also friends w/ Dr. Luke before that whole mess. Perry has known Dr. Luke personally and professionally for years, and I trust her judgement. And I have no problem whatsoever w/ that trip to space.

In the next post below, I'll provide insider information on the entire Kesha vs Dr. Luke—quite the rebuttal for anyone who cares to investigate the truth. In a nutshell: Kesha and her mother apparently (allegedly) made up the whole thing so Kesha would have a legal motive to terminate her contract w/ Dr. Luke and join Warner instead.

I know it's hard to believe that Kesha would lie about things of that nature, but many people out there cannot fathom that Robson and Safechuck would ever lie about such things either. Something to think about!

 

[Arckangel]

Here is now some alleged insider info I got from a pal regarding the Dr. Luke vs Kesha case:

“The first time this story of being roofied and raped came up, it was through her mom's account. Let me explain: Kesha had signed a contract with Luke two months earlier and was getting impatient because she considered things weren't moving fast enough (when you know some artists have to hustle for an entire decade or more before getting momentum; this is hilarious). She and her mom decided to sign to a management firm in hopes of securing a professional manager to help her obtain gigs. This manager was interested in her demo tape and personality, and because he had some connections to Warner, he offered to sign her to it. Mind you, that was in 2005. Luke was an independent producer (he hadn't joined Sony yet) who experienced major success on a few songs with Kelly Clarkson the year prior.

On the other hand, Kesha could have the opportunity to sign to one of the three major labels in the world, with a roster of countless famous artists, bands, veteran producers... She accepted right away. But when her manager was about to sign her, something got in the way... She was already in an exclusive contract with someone else... Luke was confused and didn't understand why she wanted to terminate her contract when they had barely started working together. This is when Kesha, her mom Pebe and this manager had a meeting. He asked them if there was anything that could help put an early end to the contract—any breach or violation of the terms. This is when Pebe said 'Well, if he had roofied and raped her, would it be enough?'


After this, the management firm sent Luke a warning where they threatened to go to court with this if he didn't accept to terminate the contract. Luke refused and the management firm did nothing, probably because they feared the lawsuit would be too weak to stand a trial. For two full years, Kesha and Luke weren't on speaking terms and didn't see each other. Kesha was waitressing and getting occasional gigs to sing at parties around L.A. In the meantime, Luke's career skyrocketed. He accumulated hit and hit, with the Veronicas, Pink, Avril Lavigne, Paris Hilton, Lil Mama, Leona Lewis, etc... At that point, Kesha started to have second thoughts.

At one party where she drank quite a bit, she randomly claimed to a man that 'Dr Luke had roofied her and was preventing her from working.' What she didn't know is that this man was a long-time friend of Luke. So he immediately contacted Luke and told him a certain Kesha was saying bad things about him. Anyway, shortly after, she crawled back to Luke and said she had changed her mind and was interested in working with him. He asked her about the rumors she was spreading about him, that he had roofied her (she wasn't saying anything about the rape part at the time). She had the nerve to deny it to his face, so he showed her the email he received from his friend. She finally admitted it and apologized. Luke said to her that he didn't mind working with her, this is what he wanted to do from the start, but that she had to stop lying because it could get him, or other people, in serious trouble. She promised.


So, in 2008, she was in his circle again, recording music, background vocals, making a cameo in Katy Perry's first MV for "I Kissed a Girl," etc... Thanks to Luke, both Pebe and her were offered interesting gigs, like writing a song for Miley Cyrus... They were overjoyed at the time and both praised him and called him 'family.'

Back to 2005, two weeks after Nicky Hilton's birthday bash in Paris's mansion, Kesha wrote and recorded a song with her mom, hoping to cash in on the buzz of her being kicked out of the party for vomiting in Paris Hilton's closet. Her song is awful, musically speaking, but the important part is that she's essentially bragging and saying how wild and great this night was. Can we seriously believe that a girl who experienced the most traumatic event of her life would do a bratty lighthearted song about the party that preceded her rape? It doesn't make any sense.”

 

[Masonh]

Oh. God. So many text here guys, I'm not gonna read all of his lol. I'm just gonna say, I have no idea, who the hell is Katy Perry

 

[Masonh]

 

[Arckangel]

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[Arckangel]

A few pertinent articles:

Katy Perry Says She’s Been ‘Battered and Bruised’ by Backlash: The Internet Is a ‘Dumping Ground for Unhinged and Unhealed’

Katy Perry Has Become an Internet Laughingstock Post-Blue Origin — but Only True Stars Demand This Much Attention

In regard to the second article above, I strongly disagree that her 143 album is subpar (???—has he objectively listened in full?) and that it is contradictory for her to work w/ Dr. Luke while singing about female empowerment. But I agree that this amount of a backlash (and the money, clicks and views some get from it) shows how big of a star Katy Perry is—akin to Michael Jackson—the bigger the star, the bigger the target.

I am very sincere in my perspective even if it's not always popular. Throughout his career, even before the allegations, Michael had become a laughingstock, had to face all sorts of crazy rumours, and "Leave Me Alone" was a response to that.

And then came all the sex abuse allegations fuelled by spiteful, greedy parents, overzealous investigators, haters and abusers such as Jack Gordon, and pedofantasists such as Rodney Allen and Victor Guttierez. If it is foul and immoral to work w/ somebody (like Dr. Luke) ever accused of a sex crime, then it was foul and immoral for anybody to ever work w/ MJ after all those allegations, right? I honestly fail to see the difference—not just because I like both MJ and Perry. I'd have the same presumption of innocence for someone not famous.


Working w/ Dr. Luke is a way for artists to take a stand in favour of presumption of innocence, esp. when the sole accuser is not credible (as I lengthily explained earlier).

Sure, there are cases like that of R. Kelly who was actually convicted of sex crimes involving minors or that of Bill Cosby who was once convicted and once found liable of a sex crime (over 60 women accused him; Cosby's criminal conviction was overturned). There are also cases like that of Diddy (beat Cassie, not found guilty of sex abuse yet, but it doesn't look good considering the enormity of the allegations—over 100 accusers!!!).

And there are cases like those of Jay-Z, Kevin Spacey and Marilyn Manson—sex abuse allegations that are quickly disproven, dismissed or successfully challenged. Dr. Luke's case is similar to the accusation against Jay-Z; no actual proof, no witnesses, and the claims made are dubious—Jay-Z had an actual alibi, and the supposed victim withdrew her complaint. It is also documented that some victims will wrongly identify the perpetrator, and that may not necessarily be intentional.

Should it be socially reprehensible to work w/ Jay-Z, Kevin Spacey or Marilyn Manson? (Manson is currently experiencing a great comeback.) If not, why would it be so awful to work w/ Dr. Luke? Spacey and Manson were accused of violence or sex crimes by even more people! Why the extra scorn on Dr. Luke (never even arrested, charged or anything) just because of Kesha who later admitted she has no clear recollection? Doesn't make sense to me.