MSCassieMollie requested her acoount be deleted :(

[qbee]

I feel so many have left becuase of the negativity of quit a few members here. Just know We mods can help the tone of threads by posting positive in them. and that will give others incentive to do the same. Except for the few here who are hell bent on derailing or dragging down every thread they enter . but a least lets encourage our postive members posters to not be intimidated or feel they dont belong and myabe we can change this negative trend ..

The thread that upset her really wasnt all that bad but I think it was just the straw that broke the camels back. She did post in it that she wish it would be closed due to all the negativity .. I know how she feels. I watch many threads that should be positive get derailed and ripped to threads over a off comment, word or narrative being focused on instead of the actual topic.

Myself I would rather have the few negative members that constantly do this be offended and leave rather then members like Cassie or others who have tried to bring some light and positivity to the board. Yes I know there was a time off the board she isnt always s positive toward me and MJJC but when posting here she has been a good member and sets a good example with her many many positive or interesting Threads.

The members who are always so negative never even create threads on the board, becuase they have nothing positive to offer. IMO But Im going to keep a keen eye on them and not allow them to derail threads off topic with their uneccessary negativity.

Hello qbee, I would like to delete my account on here. How do you do that? Thank you.

OMG Cassie dont leave. you are one of our best members. Always posting positive interesting threads and you have always beem very respectful and kind in how you interact on the board. Please I dont want you to leave Tell me whats the matter and I'll try my best to help :better:

much love
Mickie

Awww thanks!

 

[Gaz]

Request denied, we do not allow deletion of accounts here at MJJC, they become part of our history which is agreed upon sign up,

Plus there is also the gapping great gaps it leave's in threads thus destroying threads.

However, lets make a list of the members who troll and deal with them.

 

[qbee]

Oh man of few words Yes of course understood ... and now I will explain in my own long winded way :lol:

Yes I did tell her that above

Thing is we really cant delete accounts, reason being it would wipe out all the archives and posts of other members who posted in the threads you created and that wouldnt be fair to them. Maybe just take a little break ..to refresh your spirit .. not too long tho .. becuase I would miss you, I really look forward to your threads and posts.

I wouldnt call them trolls persay but a choice few here have a way of bringing thier negativity to every thread they can. It's brought in as just an opinion .. but if it is not related to the main scope of the thread it can caause the whole topic to derail in a negative way no longer discussing the actual topic.

Example: in Ivys Estate thread, I had to delete the off topic comments brought in for the sole pupose of bashing the Jacksons and wanting discussing Paris Jackson tweets becuase she didnt support BAd25 ect. ... seems if you menton the Jackson name in any thread they think that give them permission go off in a complete different direction. I deleted those posts right off the bat and left a stern warning not to derail threads in that manner. That we wanted that thread to remain credible and educational for the members and that it was being sent out via all social networks by the fans.

Same as in Jackson forum. there will be a thread about the music or the concerts and they will start discussing Randy Jand jermains child support ect etc . derailing the whole thread .. Thats what Im going to be more adament about nipping in the bud before others join in to causes derails in threads...

Im thinking about creating a thread to adress the exessive off topic and negativity that derails so many threads and brings a cloud of darkness even light hearted or positive thread where is doesn't belong at all. Some will bulk over it's just their opinions or their freedom of speech. but I dont see that negative tone or trend on other boards not like here. I think we get so many here becuase we are lenient over them voicing their own opinions. where other boards wont put up with all the negativity. * but There has to be some king of middle ground we can reach of how far they can go with it as far as being uneccessary, excessive or derailing threads

 

[Gaz]

Well my view is they either change or they are removed - end of,

Everywhere the community is dying at a rate like no other, MJFC one of the oldest got to where it was as no one is using it, we will if not careful become the same and the above is a major contributory factor to the dwindling numbers, pretty much every old member is gone fed up with all the bull yeah they have been a little selfish in thinking there is now no Michael so what's the point I don't agree with that as they are contributing to the death of his legacy in the fan community, but its clear they all got fed up and left so here we are stuck with a bunch of party poopers.

There is a fact here they either change or they are removed in an attempt to save MJJC from becoming a ghost town pretty much like every other board out there.

So I am happy with what ever action needs to be done to get this dealt with - before its to late.

 

[ivy]

qbee - honestly I wouldn't worry to much about MsCassieMollie's deletion request. On Lip Stick Alley she used to talk negatively about MJJC. I don't think she ever thought this place as her "home" honestly.


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That being said I don't think being harsh as a solution. I got a PM yesterday complaining about the anonymous Admin account and the deletion of the Paris's twitter related post in my Estate thread. They don't mind if the discussion was moved to another thread but aren't really happy when they spend the time to type something and then it gets deleted.

I think the solution is to give them a separate thread to talk what they want to talk about and keep the other threads cleaner.

I'm all for explaining the negativity issue but I don't think it should come with the threats and deleting banning people because if we do that we will lose our heavily commenting members. I would rather lose MSCassieMollie who just copies news stories , kids pictures and rarely comments and keep a user that's opinionated, might be negative but always actively posting on the board. I don't think this is a numbers game, this is an actively posting users game in my book.

 

[Gaz]

I've put a little message in the chat room, nothing heavy just a call for calm/help/awareness.

That's all I'm prepared to do at this point, but we need be aware if the members keep on leaving, MJJC will not be able to sustain on its own self esteem, negative posters or not.

 

[qbee]

Thank you Gaz. That was fine .. it will help us bring up the topic in a thread.

qbee - honestly I wouldn't worry to much about MsCassieMollie's deletion request. On Lip Stick Alley she used to talk negatively about MJJC. I don't think she ever thought this place as her "home" honestly.

Im not all that concerned about CassieMollie persay ( I do enjoy her threads tho) It's the fact she represents the many that have left the board becuase of the negative tone here. So many ...

That being said I don't think being harsh as a solution.

Of course we dont need to be harsh I dont even like or want to be harsh but sometimes stern in mod warnings when necessary. Especially for those that make a habit of doing it. So they know to Stop it.

I got a PM yesterday complaining about the anonymous Admin account and the deletion of the Paris's twitter related post in my Estate thread. They don't mind if the discussion was moved to another thread but aren't really happy when they spend the time to type someone ( OFF TOPIC ) and then it gets deleted.

Im not happy when they derail threads with off topic posts either and I have to take the time to clean the threads becuase they do it. Especially in a thread that is meant to adress issues about the Estate like you were doing. ( I wasnt wrong for deleting them - they were wrong for posting off topic) Im not doing it to make them unhappy or be pissed off. Im just doing the best I can to try and keep threads on track. I have moved post for members to other threads many times depending. but I had no idea where to place those posts that derailed the Estate thread.?? There was nothing wrong with what they were discussing except it was not the approriate thread to do it in. If they want to discuss those topics why dont they create a thread to do it in?

I'm all for explaining the negativity issue but I don't think it should come with the threats and deleting banning

Of course not. What i was thinking was a discussion getting them involved with solutions. along the line of what Gaz just did in chat. Asking them how we can manage to nix so much negativity on the board and in threads that dont warrant it . How to get our members to create more positive threads and keep the the threads we have on track .. That sort of thing. If they are involved in coming up with ideas and solutions, maybe they will work harder to make it a reality for the board

I think the solution is to give them a separate thread to talk what they want to talk about and keep the other threads cleaner.

Thats a good idea. I would be more that happy for us to create a thread where they can discuss whatever they want. Where should we put it tho ? Contro ? What should we call it ? I have the perfect name ...

The Off topic thread (Discuss what you want)
Hey .. We can even move some off topic post in there instead of deleting them ..

The Off topic thread (Discuss what you want)
This thread is for our members to discuss all the things that may not fit in other forums or would derail threads off topic. You can Discuss what ever you want in here or If you feel your post might take another thread off topic, you can invite who you want in here to discuss it. Of course all the general rules of the board still apply except for the rule not to derail this thread off topic.

What do you think ... too corny

 

[ivy]

I wasn't talking about that general an off topic thread.

The issue is that there's a disagreement between Jacksons and MJ Estate and that's a topic that they like to discuss. In their approach for example why Paris or Prince or any Jackson hasn't promoted or even mentioned Bad is a semi-related topic to MJ Estate. Of course I agree with you that discussion isn't necessarily suitable for the explaining MJ Estate thread. And they do understand that too, however a total deletion of the posts is the thing what makes them unhappy. So I wonder if we can have a "MJ Estate versus Jacksons" thread for such discussion. Of course with that the problem would be finding a balance. Allowing people to criticize the Jacksons as well as the Estate but not turning into a hate fest. I would recommend to having that in the general news section and not in conspiracy. Also I would clarify that it's both for supporting and criticizing the Estate & Jacksons. And actually it might be a topic of interest given the fact that siblings letter to the Estate as well as the granny kidnapping was the most popular topics of the summer.

Edited to add : Also I want to point out why perhaps a criticism should be allowed. You know that if all of the topics tend to be pro-estate people accuse us of working with the Estate and not allow criticism. Similarly if we go into threads and delete Jackson criticism people feel like that's a sensorship and personal opinions of moderators do not let them to write about Jacksons. Of course a thread like I proposed wouldn't be a "positive " thread like we are looking for.

 

[Gaz]

Then lets do what we need to, I for one do not want this board to be all about glee for the estate and the family, lets hear both and in main areas,

We have to do something as its clear given our trend over the last two years we will be all but defunct in a year or more, either that or we will only have nay sayers and the conspiracy forum the busiest here.

 

[qbee]

Duh :doh: Oh Ok I misunderstood what you meant. Im not apposed at all to such a discussion thread. Would be very interesting.

Listen I have no love for the Jackson's at all and Im not tryign to stop critical discussions of them. ( I do have a soft spot for Katherine tho) all I was saying is a thread about concerts or music or something light hearted should not be derailed into discussing for instance Randy and Jermains child support or other negative unrelated negative things some may feel about the Jackson's - we do have members that want to discuss those topics without all that. but They feel intimidated and leave. There are plenty of threads available to discuss those things so they dont need to derail every thread with it. just for the sake of saying somethign negative.

Im hearing you to say allow the opiniated negative posters becuase they are more active and that whats more important than keeping the positve ones who arent as active on the board .. Im saying maybe thats why we have lost our active postive posters and fans intersted in just Michaeling rather than all the politics .. I respect you so much and what you are doing but Sometimes I feel we are becomomg too political and less of a fan board .. we need to keep a balance here. Fans shouldnt feel intimidated by our opiniated members ..

but yeah please start a thread like you suggested ..

 

[ivy]

I'm not against the positive threads and the positive people and I actually love it but we also have to accept the reality that the controversial topics are the ones that are more active. Over the summer we have seen that Jackson's letter against Executors and the accompanying family drama of the kidnapping were the highly active topics. Similarly even in the case of the very positive release of Bad 25 the DVD quality discussion was the most active one. Any positive topic we post - such as Chris Tucker talks about MJ- stays pale next to such topics.

I understand your point and I agree that Jacksons tour thread is not the place to discuss child support payments and understanding MJ Estate thread is not the place to discuss Jacksons versus MJ Estate. You are absolutely right about that. All I'm saying is that then let's give them a thread in which they can discuss these other topics so that they won't derail it on other topics. If you are all happy with a thread named "MJ Estate versus Jacksons" I can start that. I think that there people on both sides that feel that criticism of Jacksons and MJ Estate is not allowed.

I'm also wondering if we should consider how we approach to news and happenings. We have a lot of forum sections and put the threads in the appropriate sections but sometimes that results in putting hot topics to this members only sections and I wonder if news and happenings should be the first stop for all the news and later on after the topic is cooled it should be moved to the appropriate section. This way we would have a highly active news and happenings and increase the visibility of such topics and perhaps attract people to post and join.

For example we posted AEG email leak and the sanctions at trials section - correctly- and it had 60 pages of discussion. I wonder if it could have been better if we had it at the news section first and later move it to the trials.

Similarly today Michael Amir's lawsuit is correctly posted in the trials section, I wonder if it could have been started at the news section and later moved on.

We post all of the books at the news section, Sullivan's book is in the conspiracy section due to its low quality but it's also a heated topic. why not have that discussion on the news section first and then later move it?

Last night I posted the thread about DWTS and Bad week on news and happenings while it's clearly a Bad25 related promotion. I knew it wasn't properly the right section but I wanted to increase the visibility of such topic which is actually both positive and entertaining. Similarly perhaps we might want to move Spike Lee documentary thread from Bad25 to the News section for the time being as it will air in USA in a week.

I think this might be another thing to discuss and perhaps make a change.

 

[Gaz]

I actually think the above is a good idea, after all its news about Michael in what ever way it might be, do it girls then once its died down we can decide whether to move them.

If there are any to move, lets move them.

In fact I would go as far as to say lets have a few controversial threads in the main news area even if they are giving the estate a bit of a slapping.

 

[qbee]

Yes Im ok with that but I would switch the Title as "Jacksons versus MJ Estate" - becuase they are the ones going after the Estate. I know what the concept is but Im just a little more comfortable with it in that order. but whatever you decide I will support.

 

[ivy]

I actually think the above is a good idea, after all its news about Michael in what ever way it might be, do it girls then once its died down we can decide whether to move them.

If there are any to move, lets move them.

In fact I would go as far as to say lets have a few controversial threads in the main news area even if they are giving the estate a bit of a slapping.

then I would say let's move spike lee documentary thread, sullivan's book and Michael Amir's lawsuit to news and happenings. and let's post any new story first at news and happenings. We'll move them in appropriate sections once they cool down and seen bu many people.

qbee - do you have any other current and active topics in mind?

Yes Im ok with that but I would switch the Title as "Jacksons versus MJ Estate" - becuase they are the ones going after the Estate. I know what the concept is but Im just a little more comfortable with it in that order. but whatever you decide I will support.

perfect. I just randomly came with the title. I'm okay with it any way.

 

[Gaz]

Get on it girls, let me know here when your done.

 

[qbee]

Ok Ill move the threads out and you create the new one .. and with the Spike Lee doc I will leave a place holder in the BAd25 with a link so they dont freak asking where it is

 

[ivy]

posted , can you check to see if you like it.

 

[Gaz]

I've added the Great Debate after the title, mainly as the Michael album one went on for over 2.5 million views so I feel this can be like a theme of ours for top debates.