The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

[ChanceToDance]

“What’s Your Life,” “Chicago 1945,” “Doing Dirty,” “Alright Now,” and “Make or Break” aren’t proven.

Isn't Doing Dirty from 1982? It says so on the copyright registry.

 

[BlackAnon]

“What’s Your Life,” “Chicago 1945,” “Doing Dirty,” “Alright Now,” and “Make or Break” aren’t proven.

“Do You Know Where Your Children Are” is from May 1986.

Jermaine mentioned "What's Your Life" being somewhere around 1983

Steve Pocaro said "Chicago 1945" was recorded a few weeks after Thriller video was released and a few months before Victory tour, which would make it 1984

Doing Dirty is 1982. My error

"Alright Now" was confirmed by John Barnes as somewhere between 1983 and 84

"Make or Break" was confirmed by John Barnes as 1985

"Do You Know..." was also confirmed by John Barnes as 1985

 

[AlwaysThere]

Isn't Doing Dirty from 1982? It says so on the copyright registry.

That one you’re right about—my mistake!

Jermaine mentioned "What's Your Life" being somewhere around 1983

Steve Pocaro said "Chicago 1945" was recorded a few weeks after Thriller video was released and a few months before Victory tour, which would make it 1984

Doing Dirty is 1982. My error

"Alright Now" was confirmed by John Barnes as somewhere between 1983 and 84

"Make or Break" was confirmed by John Barnes as 1985

"Do You Know..." was also confirmed by John Barnes as 1985

If you’re referring to the excerpt in his book, a year was never specifically mentioned to my knowledge.

The timeline of “Chicago 1945” is also in flux. Apparently Steve changed the story late last year and now claims it was done in December 1982.

I’m relatively certain John never confirmed the dates of any of those songs, though I could be wrong about “Make or Break.” He said “Alright Now” was older than “Make or Break,” which could mean a million different things. I know for sure that “Do You Know” is from May 1986 though, as studio calendars from Hayvenhurst say as much.

Not trying to be pedantic here! Just trying to come to a firm conclusion

 

[Pollonio]

I summarize the informations mentioned in the first ten pages of the topic. I will end later. Here it is :


11pm
Instrumental


Adore You
Written during the Invincible sessions
Work after with Brad Buxer
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Damien Shields : "Had some background vocals which build into a full-blown choir type of thing at the end. It's haunting" but no vocal recorded by MJ. But Brad Buxer described it as "not fully recorded". Intended to become a spirtual song like Will you be there in MJ plans in 2009"



Angel
Written and recorded during the Invincible sessions
Work in 1998 ; produced by Babyface and Keith Sweat
Planned for the 1999 album as the lead single
Complete and finished


Bang Your Head
Instrumental


Baszouille
Written and recorded during the HIStory sessions
Source : Ryan Arnold and others


Boy No
Registered in the US copyright office in 2010
Damien Shields : "quite somber. The verses are largely mumbled, but he’s mumbling about seeing the city lights, being alone, and having nowhere to go. Chorus is “Boy, no. [We/they] ain’t got a place for [you/me] to stay.”


Butter Funk
Instrumental


Can't Get Your Weight Off Of Me
Written and recorded during the Invincible sessions
Produced by Rodney Jerkins
Rework in 2002-2004
Considered for the 2003 canceled album and for The Ultimate Collection
Complete and finished


Changes
Registered in the US copyright office in 2010
Recorded by MJ but not complete, scratch vocals with a choir
Damien Shields : "Feels like church. Piano + gospel choir with a totally mumbled, low-effort scratch vocal."


Chicago 1945
Written and recorded during the Bad sessions
No proof it was rework with Rodney Jerkins during the Invincible sessions
Considered for the Xscape album but Steve Porcaro refused to see it remixed
Complete


Children's Holiday
Written and recorded in 1998
Demo with scratch vocal made as a foundation for a Japanese lyricist


Children's Hour
Children's song


Colorblind
Two versions exist : one work with Michael Prince, and the other with Brad Buxer and handed to Rodney Jerkins.
Probably work in the Invincible session
No informations about the completion


Crack Kills
Written and recorded during the Bad sessions, with Quincy Jones
Not complete (lyrics and vocals)


D.I.E.
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Damien Shields : "no vocals. Just instrumental. But epic. Hard hitting drums and bass with really strong strings. It also has these moments where the music stops and a haunting choir type thing comes in creating an ominous build, then the beat drops again."


Do You Love Me
Written and recorded during the Invincible sessions
Work in 1998 ; produced by Babyface and Keith Sweat
Planned for the 1999 album
Complete and finished


Don't Me Me Stay
Damien Shields "had a scratch vocal, but it sounded very distant - like MJ wasn’t near the mic when it was recorded or something. The only coherent lyrics I could make out were the words “don’t make me stay”


Faces
Recorded in 1994
Instrumental with spoken intro by MJ
Leaked in 2023


Green Hornet Groove
Instrumental


H20
No link with the Water song written by Eddie Cascio and the Water song registered at the US copyright office
Registered in 2010 at the US copyright office


Hot Fun in summertime
Recorded in 1998-2003
Cover of the Sly & The Family Stone song
Not completed ; MJ only recorded a verse and chorus
Finished with D'Angelo and Mary J Blige in 2014
Failed to make the Xscape album


If You Don't Love Me
Written and recorded during the Dangerous sessions
Considered for Dangerous Special Edition (2001)
Leaked years ago


I Have this dream
Recorded in 2005-2006
Featuring Snoop Dogg, Shirley Caeser, Ciara, James Ingram, Jermaine Jackson, the O'Jays, R Kelly and others
Complete
Part of the 2 seas records deal
A "demo" of the song has leaked :

I'm Dreamin
Written and recorded with Will.I.am in 2006-2007
MJ only sings hook, the restis sang by Will.i.am
Complete


Innocent Man
Damien Shields : "has vocals in the chorus, which are the same as the lyrics from his handwritten notes. There are no verses on what I heard, but MJ did write additional lyrics. So I'm not sure if he recorded them and I just didn't hear them, or if he didn't record them. The vocals in the chorus are very softly sung."


Jungle
Written by Dr Freeze in 1998
Damien Shields : "an up-tempo track... with rap-style verses about first-world problems and systematic corruption reminiscent of "Tabloid Junkie" and gritty choruses much like "Why You Wanna Trip on Me."
Confusion about the recording or not by MJ


King Tutankhamen
Instrumental


Lady of Summer
Classical piece shown by MJ to David Michael Frank in 2009
Related to the classical album project


Light The Way
Written and recorded in 2005-2006
Part of the 2 seas record deal
Damien Shields : "Horn section intro, and a choir in the choruses. According to my notes, the choir sings: "Light the way, let's pray for peace". Slow song. No lead vocal on what I heard. Just music + choral chorus."


Men in Black
Written and recorded during Dangerous sessions
Maybe the verses are not completed


Michael's affirmation
Damien Shields : "Not a song. It's a spoken word piece recorded by MJ to encourage Roy Horn (of Siegfried & Roy) to stay positive when recovering from the onstage tiger attack in October 2003. The music behind MJ's spoken words is an instrumental called "Photographs".


Neverland Landing
Children's song


Pajamas
Instrumental


Photographs
Instrumental


Remember What I Told You
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Also known as "Just Remember"
Recorded in 2008
Damien Shields : "It's a short demo. Approximately 90 seconds total. Nowhere near finished. But it's stunning. Think "Speechless" but far less saccharin."


Red Eye
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
According to Damien Shields : instrumental, guitar track with Chinese influence


Rich Girl
Written and recorded during the HIStory sessions (1993-1994)
Not complete


Rocker
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Complete but only scratch vocals
Damien Shields : "Reminds me of Queen's "We Will Rock You" - a really aggressive spitting type of verse vocal with an anthemic chorus"


Silent Spring
Instrumental

That
Instrumental


Than Heaven
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Spoken intro by MJ, dedicated to his son
Vocals sang by a woman



Tomboy
Written and recorded during the Bad sessions
Complete and finished, with Roger Troutman plays guitar


Throwin Your Life Away
Written and recorded during the Dangerous sessions
Rework with Neff-U in 2008-2009 but Neff-U didn't have the mutitracks
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Complete



Truth about youth
Written and recorded during the Dangerous sessions
Produced by Bryan Loren and MJ
Featuring LL Cool J
Complete and finished


Turnin' Me Off
Written and recorded during the Bad or Dangerous sessions
Song considered for Xscape (2014)
Complete



Water
No link with the song written by Eddie Cascio and the H20 song
Registered in 2010 at the US copyright office


What you do to me
Written and recorded during the Bad sessions
Described by Damien Shields as "mid-tempo love song. Similar breezy vibe to Free and I'm So Blue.
No link with What you do to me song recorded during the Invincible sessions, which is an early demo version of The Way You Love Me


World of Candy
Written and recorded in 2003 with Nisha Kataria
Duet with Nisha Kataria
Children's song

 

[PanterA90]

I don't know why I'm so obsessed with the bad era but I want to hear turning me off and tomboy so badly

 

[SmoothCriminal1995]

I don't know why I'm so obsessed with the bad era but I want to hear turning me off and tomboy so badly

Yep I'm the same. Mike was on fire in the Bad era I'm all aspects, that was Michael's era

 

[ChanceToDance]

I don't know why I'm so obsessed with the bad era but I want to hear turning me off and tomboy so badly

I'm sure that at least half of the releases will come from that era, Michael was at his creative peak back then.

 

[ChanceToDance]

Great work! Just to add a few things though:

Angel
Written and recorded during the Invincible sessions
Work in 1998 ; produced by Babyface and Keith Sweat
Planned for the 1999 album as the lead single
Complete and finished

It's not confirmed to exist but if it does, it was supposedly inspired by Prince's birth.

Can't Get Your Weight Off Of Me
Written and recorded during the Invincible sessions
Produced by Rodney Jerkins
Rework in 2002-2004
Considered for the 2003 canceled album and for The Ultimate Collection
Complete and finished

Reworked in 2004 for TUC only. There was never an album intended for 2003.

Changes
Registered in the US copyright office in 2010
Recorded by MJ but not complete, scratch vocals with a choir
Damien Shields : "Feels like church. Piano + gospel choir with a totally mumbled, low-effort scratch vocal."

It was first made for Bad but was reworked for HIStory.

Do You Love Me
Written and recorded during the Invincible sessions
Work in 1998 ; produced by Babyface and Keith Sweat
Planned for the 1999 album
Complete and finished

Unconfirmed to exist also.

Crack Kills
Written and recorded during the Bad sessions, with Quincy Jones
Not complete (lyrics and vocals)

MJ's solo demo is vocally completed. The only thing missing is Run DMC's parts.

Tomboy
Written and recorded during the Bad sessions
Complete and finished, with Roger Troutman plays guitar

The status of the song is unknown, other than that MJ gave the multitrack of the song to Troutman.

Turnin' Me Off
Written and recorded during the Bad or Dangerous sessions
Song considered for Xscape (2014)
Complete

Recorded for Bad on October 30th 1986 and reworked for Dangerous on January 30th 1989. Status of completion is unknown but since it was brought up for 3 albums it's likely that it's complete enough for it to be releasable.

 

[Pollonio]

Summarize of the 88 pages of discussion :


11pm
Instrumental


Adore You
Written during the Invincible sessions
Work after with Brad Buxer
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Damien Shields : "Had some background vocals which build into a full-blown choir type of thing at the end. It's haunting" but no vocal recorded by MJ. But Brad Buxer described it as "not fully recorded". Intended to become a spirtual song like Will you be there in MJ plans in 2009"


Alright Now
Full decorded in 1983-1984
Work with John Barnes


Angel
Written and recorded during the Invincible sessions
Work in 1998 ; produced by Babyface and Keith Sweat
Planned for the 1999 album as the lead single
Complete and finished


Apocalypse Now
Written and recorded in the Bad sessions
Instrumental contains military drums cadences
Completion not known

Bang Your Head
Instrumental


Baszouille
Written and recorded during the HIStory sessions
Source : Ryan Arnold and others

Beautiful Girl
Demo recorded during the Invincible sessions
Released on The Ultimate Collection
Rework in 2005
Maybe also rework with Neff-U in 2008-2009
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009


Breath
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Mentioned in Jeffre Philips lawsuit, written on a CD

Bio
Recorded in 1997-1998 with Michael Prince
One of the first work in Invincible sessions


Boy No
Registered in the US copyright office in 2010
Damien Shields : "quite somber. The verses are largely mumbled, but he’s mumbling about seeing the city lights, being alone, and having nowhere to go. Chorus is “Boy, no. [We/they] ain’t got a place for [you/me] to stay.”

Bottom of my Heart
Instrumental
No link with I Have Tis Dream


Broken Chair
Instrumental


Buffalo Bill
Recorded in 1982-1983
Intended for Victory album and later for the Bad album
Work with John Barnes
Complete demo


Butter Funk
Instrumental


Can't Get Your Weight Off Of Me
Written and recorded during the Invincible sessions
Produced by Rodney Jerkins
Rework in 2002-2004
Considered for a possible album in 2003/2004 and for The Ultimate Collection
Complete and finished


Changes
Written in the Bad sessions
Registered in the US copyright office in 2010
Recorded by MJ but not complete, scratch vocals with a choir
Damien Shields : "Feels like church. Piano + gospel choir with a totally mumbled, low-effort scratch vocal."


Chicago 1945
Written and recorded during the Bad sessions
No proof it was rework with Rodney Jerkins during the Invincible sessions
Considered for the Xscape album but Steve Porcaro refused to see it remixed
Complete


Children's Holiday
Written and recorded in 1998
Demo with scratch vocal made as a foundation for a Japanese lyricist


Children's Hour
Children's song


Colorblind
Two versions exist : one work with Michael Prince, and the other with Brad Buxer and handed to Rodney Jerkins.
Probably work in the Invincible session
No informations about the completion


Crack Kills
Written and recorded during the Bad sessions, with Quincy Jones
MJ solo demo is vocally completed, but the Run DMC part is missing


Craze
Work with Michael Prince
6 minutes long
According to Damien Shields, only an instrumentak


Dancing For Love
Mentioned in Jeffre Philips lawsuit, written on a CD as a work with RedOne


Delilah
Recorded during the HIStory sessions
Cover of Tom Jone's song
Ryan Arnold : "funky [than the Tom Jones version] with a swingbeat"


D.I.E.
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Damien Shields : "no vocals. Just instrumental. But epic. Hard hitting drums and bass with really strong strings. It also has these moments where the music stops and a haunting choir type thing comes in creating an ominous build, then the beat drops again."


Days In Gloucestershire
Written and recorded in 2004
Recorded by MJ in a home studio
Not complete (mumbling vocals) and unfinished
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009, no maybe rework in 2008-2009


Deep in the night
Recorded during the Dangerous sessions
Instrumental and chorus only
Appears on an unpublished list of songs to be rework in 2009


Do You Love Me
Written and recorded during the Invincible sessions
Work in 1998 ; produced by Babyface and Keith Sweat
Planned for the 1999 album
Complete and finished


Don't Be Messin Around
Written and recorded in the Bad sessions
Later rework in the HIStory sessions and Invincible sessions, with vocals added
Appears on an unpublished list of songs to be rework in 2009
Bad sessions version released on Bad25


Don't Me Me Stay
Damien Shields "had a scratch vocal, but it sounded very distant - like MJ wasn’t near the mic when it was recorded or something. The only coherent lyrics I could make out were the words “don’t make me stay”


Dream Away
Recorded in 1982-1983 with Steve Porcaro
Vocally complete
Considered to make Xscape album but failed
Leaked in low quality


Earth Love
Mentioned in Jeffre Philips lawsuit, written on a CD


Faces
Recorded in 1994
Instrumental with spoken intro by MJ
Leaked in 2023


Family Thing
Recorded in 1993 for the Addams Family Values
Lyrics and vocals not complete


From The Bottom Of My Heart
Recorded in 2005 as a caricative song with lots a singers
Not complete, firstly evolved to a R Kelly produced version with less singers, and later evolved to I Have this Dream


Girls, girls, girls (Jay-Z song)
MJ takes part on a Girls, girls, girls remix


Green Hornet Groove
Instrumental


He Who Makes The Sky Gray
Written and recorded in 2006-2007
Part of the 2 seas records deal
Vocals recorded, but completion is unknown


Heaven With a Smile
Mentioned in Jeffre Philips lawsuit, written on a CD
Work in 2009


H20
No link with the Water song written by Eddie Cascio and the Water song registered at the US copyright office
Recorded in 2008
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Also known as Dark Lady
Vocals full complete, but only scratch vocals
Registered in 2010 at the US copyright office


Hot Fun in summertime
Recorded in 1998-2003
Cover of the Sly & The Family Stone song
Not completed ; MJ only recorded a verse and chorus
Finished with D'Angelo and Mary J Blige in 2014
Failed to make the Xscape album


If You Don't Love Me
Written and recorded during the Dangerous sessions
Considered for Dangerous Special Edition (2001)
Leaked years ago


I Have this dream
Recorded in 2005-2006
Featuring Snoop Dogg, Shirley Caeser, Ciara, James Ingram, Jermaine Jackson, the O'Jays, R Kelly and others
Complete
Part of the 2 seas records deal
A "demo" of the song has leaked :

Demo sang by only MJ exists

I Love You
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Damien Shields : "Song written by Taryll Jackson for a 3T album (which they call “The Lost Album”) which was never released. Michael was helping produce the 3T album and loved Taryll’s song so much that he wanted to record a solo version. He died before he got around to it."

I Love You More
Co-written by MJ, Michael Prince, and Eric Kirkland
Two recordings exist: one sung by Kirkland, another by a female vocalist. The existence of MJ vocals is uncertain


I'm Dreamin
Written and recorded with Will.I.am in 2006-2007
Sample Can't Wake Up (I'm a blunt) by KRS-One
MJ only sings hook, the restis sang by Will.i.am
Estate refused its release of 2013 Will.I.am album
Complete

I Was The Loser
First written and recorded in 2003
Evolved to I Was the Loser in 2008, when re-recorded at The Bel Air Hotel
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
First version leaks, not the second
Complete, pretty finished

I Will Miss You
Written and recorded with Will.I.am in 2006-2007
Tribute to James Brown
Complete


Innocent Man
Damien Shields : "has vocals in the chorus, which are the same as the lyrics from his handwritten notes. There are no verses on what I heard, but MJ did write additional lyrics. So I'm not sure if he recorded them and I just didn't hear them, or if he didn't record them. The vocals in the chorus are very softly sung."


Is She Coming Back
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Demo send by Dr Freeze to MJ in 2008
Never recorded by MJ


Jungle
Written by Dr Freeze in 1998
Damien Shields : "an up-tempo track... with rap-style verses about first-world problems and systematic corruption reminiscent of "Tabloid Junkie" and gritty choruses much like "Why You Wanna Trip on Me."
Confusion about the recording or not by MJ


King Tutankhamen
Instrumental


Lady of Summer
Classical piece shown by MJ to David Michael Frank in 2009
Related to the classical piece album project


Light The Way
Written and recorded in 2005-2006
Part of the 2 seas record deal
Damien Shields : "Horn section intro, and a choir in the choruses. According to my notes, the choir sings: "Light the way, let's pray for peace". Slow song. No lead vocal on what I heard. Just music + choral chorus."


Mc Kellar
Mentioned in Jeffre Philips lawsuit, written on a CD
Registered in the US copyright office in 2010


Make or Break
Written and recorded in 1983-1984
Work with John Barnes
Vocals incomplete


Men in Black
Written and recorded during Dangerous sessions
Producd by Bryan Loren
Complete and finished


Michael's affirmation
Damien Shields : "Not a song. It's a spoken word piece recorded by MJ to encourage Roy Horn (of Siegfried & Roy) to stay positive when recovering from the onstage tiger attack in October 2003. The music behind MJ's spoken words is an instrumental called "Photographs".


Monster
Recorded in 1998
No link with the Eddie Cascio song
Multi-layered production with dark undertones. Michael Prince arranged the string section, which MJ originally sang in a voicemail. The only lyrics recorded are the chorus, "You created a monster."


Neverland Landing
Children's song


Pajamas
Instrumental


Photographs
Instrumental


Remember What I Told You
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Also known as "Just Remember"
Recorded in 2008
Damien Shields : "It's a short demo. Approximately 90 seconds total. Nowhere near finished. But it's stunning. Think "Speechless" but far less saccharin."


Red Eye
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
According to Damien Shields : instrumental, guitar track with Chinese influence


Rich Girl
Written and recorded during the HIStory sessions (1993-1994)
Not complete


Rise About It All
Recorded during the Invincible sessions
Produced by Dr Freeze
Completion not known


Rock Tonight
Instrumental


Rocker
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Complete but only scratch vocals
Damien Shields : "Reminds me of Queen's "We Will Rock You" - a really aggressive spitting type of verse vocal with an anthemic chorus"


Saturday Woman
Title found on an unpublished handwritten note by MJ found in his home in 2009
Frank Cascio, in his book : "One of the unreleased songs that I loved the most was “Saturday Woman,” about a girl who wants attention and goes out to party instead of spending time on her relationship. The first verse went, “I don’t want to say that I don’t love you. I don’t want to say that I disagree…” —then Michael mumbled the rest of the lines because he wasn’t sure of them yet. The chorus went, “She’s a Saturday woman. I don’t want to live my life all alone. She’s a Saturday woman.”


Scared of the Moon
1987 demo released on The Ultimate Collection
Rework for HIStory and Invincible albums
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Later versions still unreleased


She Don't love me
Recorded in 2008
Damien Shields : "Just one line of vocals. "She don't love me. She don't want me. She don't need me. She doesn't care. She doesn't care." That's all that was on what I heard. The rest is just instrumental."


Shut Up and Dance
Co-written by MJ, Michael Prince, and Eric Kirkland. Eric sings the demo.
Not complete

Silent Spring
Instrumental


Still the King
Written and recorded in 2006-2007
Produced by Will.I.Am
Complete

That
Instrumental


Thank Heaven
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Spoken intro by MJ, dedicated to his son
Vocals sang by a woman


The Future
Written and recorded in 2006-2007
Produced by Will.I.am
Not complete


Think Twice
Instrumental


Tomboy
Written and recorded during the Bad sessions
Complete and finished, with Roger Troutman plays guitar
Given to Zapp & Roger, and released as "Stop that"


Throwin Your Life Away
Written and recorded during the Dangerous sessions (1988)
Rework with Neff-U in 2008-2009 but Neff-U didn't have the mutitracks
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Failed to make the Michael album
Complete


Truth about youth
Written and recorded during the Dangerous sessions
Produced by Bryan Loren and MJ
Featuring LL Cool J
Complete and finished


Turnin' Me Off
Written and recorded during the Bad sessions
Rework for the Dangerous album
Song considered for Xscape (2014)
Complete


Walk Away
Instrumental


Water
Recorded between 2006-2009
Includes sound effects of water splashing. Chorus lyrics include, "Inches of water, water, trying to take a piece of my mind / Inches of water, water, trying to take a piece of my time."
Completion not known
No link with the song written by Eddie Cascio and the H20 song
Registered in 2010 at the US copyright office


Willing and Waiting
Demo proposed by Babyface to MJ, for the HISTORY album
Not recorded


What you do to me
Written and recorded during the Bad sessions
Described by Damien Shields as "mid-tempo love song. Similar breezy vibe to Free and I'm So Blue.
No link with What you do to me song recorded during the Invincible sessions, which is an early demo version of The Way You Love Me


World of Candy
Written and recorded in 2003 with Nisha Kataria
Duet with Nisha Kataria
Children's song


You Were There
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Handwritten lyrics by MJ mentioned in Jeffre Philips lawsuit

4-5 tracks made with Akon, including Hold My Hand
Several songs made with R-Kelly in 2006-2009
Two classical demos recorded in 2009 for the classical music album project with David Michael Frank, included Lady of Summer
A dozen of unreleased songs made with Rodney Jerkins in 1998-2003, and a half releasable
No songs recorded with Ne-Yo and Stargate in 2008-2009

 

[Pollonio]

Thank you @ChanceToDance , i made corrections

For Angel and Do You Love Me, for me the informations about their existence are strong

 

[BlackAnon]

That one you’re right about—my mistake!

If you’re referring to the excerpt in his book, a year was never specifically mentioned to my knowledge.

The timeline of “Chicago 1945” is also in flux. Apparently Steve changed the story late last year and now claims it was done in December 1982.

I’m relatively certain John never confirmed the dates of any of those songs, though I could be wrong about “Make or Break.” He said “Alright Now” was older than “Make or Break,” which could mean a million different things. I know for sure that “Do You Know” is from May 1986 though, as studio calendars from Hayvenhurst say as much.

Not trying to be pedantic here! Just trying to come to a firm conclusion

I’ve met John a few times and he confirmed Make or Break being 1985 and Alright Now being done sometime during Victory. He also confirmed that Do You Know was done during the very early stages of Bad and said it was roughly 1985. He also confirmed Another Part of Me was being worked on in January 1984 while MJ was recovering

I know it’s hard to pin point specific years because MJ was working on songs on and off. All love!

 

[MJbr2]

MJ's solo demo is vocally completed. The only thing missing is Run DMC's parts.

Haven't they released their part as a different song though?

 

[Mister_Jay_Tee]

I don't know why I'm so obsessed with the bad era but I want to hear turning me off and tomboy so badly

For me it's Buffalo Bill.

 

[AlwaysThere]

Thank you @ChanceToDance , i made corrections

For Angel and Do You Love Me, for me the informations about their existence are strong

I’ve spoken with someone who knows the editors of the Black & White magazine (which to my knowledge is the only source to ever cite these two titles), and apparently they don’t exist. It was a rumor they bought into but weren’t able to correct. Of course I can’t confirm this myself!

I’ve met John a few times and he confirmed Make or Break being 1985 and Alright Now being done sometime during Victory. He also confirmed that Do You Know was done during the very early stages of Bad and said it was roughly 1985. He also confirmed Another Part of Me was being worked on in January 1984 while MJ was recovering

I know it’s hard to pin point specific years because MJ was working on songs on and off. All love!

Fascinating! This is definitely contradictory to the session calendars, as “Do You Know…” was listed on 9th May 1986 for the first time that year. Very interested to know the truth here.

Thanks for sharing this! Plenty of falsehoods are going around and I always unnecessarily try to correct them lol. Not my place at all. It is nice to know a definite creation year for “Make or Break.”

 

[filmandmusic]

So this is supposed to be Tomboy but here it is called stop that by zapp & roger. You hear a faint heehee at 55 sec and an aauw at 3.50 as pointed out by someone below the video in the comments.

 

[ChanceToDance]

For me it's Buffalo Bill.

It used to be Chicago 1945 for me but since it leaked now my fixation goes completely into Invincible-Post Invincible lol. I'd give my left kidney to listen to Adore You, Dark Lady and Monster.

 

[BlackAnon]

I’ve spoken with someone who knows the editors of the Black & White magazine (which to my knowledge is the only source to ever cite these two titles), and apparently they don’t exist. It was a rumor they bought into but weren’t able to correct. Of course I can’t confirm this myself!

Fascinating! This is definitely contradictory to the session calendars, as “Do You Know…” was listed on 9th May 1986 for the first time that year. Very interested to know the truth here.

Thanks for sharing this! Plenty of falsehoods are going around and I always unnecessarily try to correct them lol. Not my place at all. It is nice to know a definite creation year for “Make or Break.”

All good! Don't worry, I'm not an obsessed Michael fan that takes everything personal hahahaha but sometimes we can't help but try to correct something......you're good in my book!

 

[threepea11]

this ain’t real, right

 

[SmoothCriminal1995]

I've seen them mentioned a few times recently, what these "session calendars", are they available to buy?

 

[Lotfi11k]

I’ve spoken with someone who knows the editors of the Black & White magazine (which to my knowledge is the only source to ever cite these two titles), and apparently they don’t exist. It was a rumor they bought into but weren’t able to correct. Of course I can’t confirm this myself!

Fascinating! This is definitely contradictory to the session calendars, as “Do You Know…” was listed on 9th May 1986 for the first time that year. Very interested to know the truth here.

Thanks for sharing this! Plenty of falsehoods are going around and I always unnecessarily try to correct them lol. Not my place at all. It is nice to know a definite creation year for “Make or Break.”

There is song called do you know different than who do you know and do you know whrere your children are ?

 

[mj_frenzy]

I've seen them mentioned a few times recently, what these "session calendars", are they available to buy?

They are recording session dates and also track sheets.

They are not available to buy, but authors (such as, Joseph Vogel) have access to them when they need to include certain recording dates of songs in their books.

 

[SmoothCriminal1995]

They are recording session dates and also track sheets.

They are not available to buy, but authors (such as, Joseph Vogel) have access to them when they need to include certain recording dates of songs in their books.

Thanks for the info

 

[Clay7]

I summarize the informations mentioned in the first ten pages of the topic. I will end later. Here it is :


11pm
Instrumental


Adore You
Written during the Invincible sessions
Work after with Brad Buxer
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Damien Shields : "Had some background vocals which build into a full-blown choir type of thing at the end. It's haunting" but no vocal recorded by MJ. But Brad Buxer described it as "not fully recorded". Intended to become a spirtual song like Will you be there in MJ plans in 2009"



Angel
Written and recorded during the Invincible sessions
Work in 1998 ; produced by Babyface and Keith Sweat
Planned for the 1999 album as the lead single
Complete and finished


Bang Your Head
Instrumental


Baszouille
Written and recorded during the HIStory sessions
Source : Ryan Arnold and others


Boy No
Registered in the US copyright office in 2010
Damien Shields : "quite somber. The verses are largely mumbled, but he’s mumbling about seeing the city lights, being alone, and having nowhere to go. Chorus is “Boy, no. [We/they] ain’t got a place for [you/me] to stay.”


Butter Funk
Instrumental


Can't Get Your Weight Off Of Me
Written and recorded during the Invincible sessions
Produced by Rodney Jerkins
Rework in 2002-2004
Considered for the 2003 canceled album and for The Ultimate Collection
Complete and finished


Changes
Registered in the US copyright office in 2010
Recorded by MJ but not complete, scratch vocals with a choir
Damien Shields : "Feels like church. Piano + gospel choir with a totally mumbled, low-effort scratch vocal."


Chicago 1945
Written and recorded during the Bad sessions
No proof it was rework with Rodney Jerkins during the Invincible sessions
Considered for the Xscape album but Steve Porcaro refused to see it remixed
Complete


Children's Holiday
Written and recorded in 1998
Demo with scratch vocal made as a foundation for a Japanese lyricist


Children's Hour
Children's song


Colorblind
Two versions exist : one work with Michael Prince, and the other with Brad Buxer and handed to Rodney Jerkins.
Probably work in the Invincible session
No informations about the completion


Crack Kills
Written and recorded during the Bad sessions, with Quincy Jones
Not complete (lyrics and vocals)


D.I.E.
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Damien Shields : "no vocals. Just instrumental. But epic. Hard hitting drums and bass with really strong strings. It also has these moments where the music stops and a haunting choir type thing comes in creating an ominous build, then the beat drops again."


Do You Love Me
Written and recorded during the Invincible sessions
Work in 1998 ; produced by Babyface and Keith Sweat
Planned for the 1999 album
Complete and finished


Don't Me Me Stay
Damien Shields "had a scratch vocal, but it sounded very distant - like MJ wasn’t near the mic when it was recorded or something. The only coherent lyrics I could make out were the words “don’t make me stay”


Faces
Recorded in 1994
Instrumental with spoken intro by MJ
Leaked in 2023


Green Hornet Groove
Instrumental


H20
No link with the Water song written by Eddie Cascio and the Water song registered at the US copyright office
Registered in 2010 at the US copyright office


Hot Fun in summertime
Recorded in 1998-2003
Cover of the Sly & The Family Stone song
Not completed ; MJ only recorded a verse and chorus
Finished with D'Angelo and Mary J Blige in 2014
Failed to make the Xscape album


If You Don't Love Me
Written and recorded during the Dangerous sessions
Considered for Dangerous Special Edition (2001)
Leaked years ago


I Have this dream
Recorded in 2005-2006
Featuring Snoop Dogg, Shirley Caeser, Ciara, James Ingram, Jermaine Jackson, the O'Jays, R Kelly and others
Complete
Part of the 2 seas records deal
A "demo" of the song has leaked :

I'm Dreamin
Written and recorded with Will.I.am in 2006-2007
MJ only sings hook, the restis sang by Will.i.am
Complete


Innocent Man
Damien Shields : "has vocals in the chorus, which are the same as the lyrics from his handwritten notes. There are no verses on what I heard, but MJ did write additional lyrics. So I'm not sure if he recorded them and I just didn't hear them, or if he didn't record them. The vocals in the chorus are very softly sung."


Jungle
Written by Dr Freeze in 1998
Damien Shields : "an up-tempo track... with rap-style verses about first-world problems and systematic corruption reminiscent of "Tabloid Junkie" and gritty choruses much like "Why You Wanna Trip on Me."
Confusion about the recording or not by MJ


King Tutankhamen
Instrumental


Lady of Summer
Classical piece shown by MJ to David Michael Frank in 2009
Related to the classical album project


Light The Way
Written and recorded in 2005-2006
Part of the 2 seas record deal
Damien Shields : "Horn section intro, and a choir in the choruses. According to my notes, the choir sings: "Light the way, let's pray for peace". Slow song. No lead vocal on what I heard. Just music + choral chorus."


Men in Black
Written and recorded during Dangerous sessions
Maybe the verses are not completed


Michael's affirmation
Damien Shields : "Not a song. It's a spoken word piece recorded by MJ to encourage Roy Horn (of Siegfried & Roy) to stay positive when recovering from the onstage tiger attack in October 2003. The music behind MJ's spoken words is an instrumental called "Photographs".


Neverland Landing
Children's song


Pajamas
Instrumental


Photographs
Instrumental


Remember What I Told You
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Also known as "Just Remember"
Recorded in 2008
Damien Shields : "It's a short demo. Approximately 90 seconds total. Nowhere near finished. But it's stunning. Think "Speechless" but far less saccharin."


Red Eye
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
According to Damien Shields : instrumental, guitar track with Chinese influence


Rich Girl
Written and recorded during the HIStory sessions (1993-1994)
Not complete


Rocker
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Complete but only scratch vocals
Damien Shields : "Reminds me of Queen's "We Will Rock You" - a really aggressive spitting type of verse vocal with an anthemic chorus"


Silent Spring
Instrumental

That
Instrumental


Than Heaven
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Spoken intro by MJ, dedicated to his son
Vocals sang by a woman



Tomboy
Written and recorded during the Bad sessions
Complete and finished, with Roger Troutman plays guitar


Throwin Your Life Away
Written and recorded during the Dangerous sessions
Rework with Neff-U in 2008-2009 but Neff-U didn't have the mutitracks
Appears on the lists of songs to finish found in MJ home in 2009
Complete



Truth about youth
Written and recorded during the Dangerous sessions
Produced by Bryan Loren and MJ
Featuring LL Cool J
Complete and finished


Turnin' Me Off
Written and recorded during the Bad or Dangerous sessions
Song considered for Xscape (2014)
Complete



Water
No link with the song written by Eddie Cascio and the H20 song
Registered in 2010 at the US copyright office


What you do to me
Written and recorded during the Bad sessions
Described by Damien Shields as "mid-tempo love song. Similar breezy vibe to Free and I'm So Blue.
No link with What you do to me song recorded during the Invincible sessions, which is an early demo version of The Way You Love Me


World of Candy
Written and recorded in 2003 with Nisha Kataria
Duet with Nisha Kataria
Children's song

"Angel" and "Do You Love Me" do not exist. Not sure about "Colorblind" or "Rich Girl" what's the source for those? and Weight Off Me wasn't "reworked" after Invincible. It was REMASTERED for inclusion on The Ultimate Collection in 2004. The 2001 and 2004 versions are the same, just a different master. Also "Truth About Youth" is called "Truth ON Youth"

 

[ChanceToDance]

Not sure about "Colorblind" or "Rich Girl" what's the source for those?

Brad Buxer cited a list of songs he had worked on with MJ on the MJCast and those titles were included on the list.

 

[Simijacksonfan]

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Just found a link to the court filings. There’s some very interesting items included, including an astonishing number of CDs. Highlights:

• “Throwin’ Your Life Away” (p. 7)
• “Earth Love,” dated April 22, 2009 and written in another person’s handwriting (p. 8)
• “Dancing for Love - RedOne” (p. 12)
• “Ready 2 Win,” written in another person’s handwriting (p. 15)
• “Love Heals - MJ Neff-U New Funk” (p. 16)
• “Ron great industrial age song” (p. 18)
• “Breath” (p. 25)
• “All Right,” written in another person’s handwriting (p. 29)
• “Dance MJ McKellar” (p. 32)
• „Heaven With a Smile“, datiert vom 17. April 2009 und in der Handschrift einer anderen Person geschrieben (S. 40)
• „Song #4 - 1.2.6 Bible“, datiert vom 16. Mai 2007 und in derselben Handschrift geschrieben wie die von Frank Cascio verkauften verschiedenen CDs (S. 48)
• „Ghost of Another Lover“, datiert vom 29. April 2009, geschrieben in der Handschrift einer anderen Person und mit zwei Mixes („Mix 7 with Intro“ und „Mix 4 No Intro“) (S. 52)

Außerdem gibt es ein leicht verschwommenes Bild von 35 weiteren CDs (S. 72), darunter die Titel „Hollywood Tonight“, „Throwin‘ Your Life Away“, „Miami Vice“ (könnte in Zusammenhang mit der TV-Serie stehen) und „Zerbrochener Stuhl“. Außerdem gibt es einen zusätzlichen Textsatz für „You Were There“ (S. 78):

Du warst in guten und in schlechten Zeiten da
Wenn ich alles verloren habe, was ich hatte
Du warst da, um zu haben, um zu halten
Als die Welt zusammenkam
Ich versuche, meine Seele wegzunehmen
Als die Mauern über mir einstürzten
Du warst dabei, als die Mauern einstürzten

Just found a link to the court filings. There’s some very interesting items included, including an astonishing number of CDs. Highlights:

• “Throwin’ Your Life Away” (p. 7)
• “Earth Love,” dated April 22, 2009 and written in another person’s handwriting (p. 8)
• “Dancing for Love - RedOne” (p. 12)
• “Ready 2 Win,” written in another person’s handwriting (p. 15)
• “Love Heals - MJ Neff-U New Funk” (p. 16)
• “Ron great industrial age song” (p. 18)
• “Breath” (p. 25)
• “All Right,” written in another person’s handwriting (p. 29)
• “Dance MJ McKellar” (p. 32)
• “Heaven With a Smile,” dated April 17, 2009 and written in another person’s handwriting (p. 40)
• “Song #4 - 1.2.6 Bible,” dated May 16, 2007 and written in the same handwriting as the miscellaneous CDs sold by Frank Cascio (p. 48)
• “Ghost of Another Lover,” dated April 29, 2009, written in another person’s handwriting, and containing two mixes (“Mix 7 with Intro” and “Mix 4 No Intro”) (p. 52)

There’s also a slightly blurry picture of 35 additional CDs (p. 72), among which you can see the titles “Hollywood Tonight,” “Throwin’ Your Life Away,” “Miami Vice” (could be in relation to the TV series), and “Broken Chair.” Additionally, there are an extra set of lyrics for “You Were There” (p. 78):

You were there for the good times and the bad
When I’ve lost all that I had
You were there to have, to hold
When the world all came together
Trying to take away my soul
When the walls came down on me
You were there when the walls came tumbling down

Did the estate actually get the stolen stuff back?

 

[SmoothMel7]

Did the estate actually get the stolen stuff back?

This question interests me too.
And are all the stolen items here?

 

[Mister_Jay_Tee]

Did the estate actually get the stolen stuff back?

This question interests me too.
And are all the stolen items here?

They're deliberating in court about it now presently. That is all the items.

 

[Mister_Jay_Tee]

What all do we know the other MJ/LL Cool J songs that are out?

 

[Lotfi11k]

What all do we know the other MJ/LL Cool J songs that are out?

Truth about youth MJ did not record any vocals i talked with Shana

 

[Simijacksonfan]

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