The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

They would need to transfer some cassettes so it's understandable that they'd rather focus on other things.
 
They would need to transfer some cassettes so it's understandable that they'd rather focus on other things.
Maybe with the biopic money they can afford to shell out for some 2001 quality music hardware to make things easier for em.

On the other hand, when everytime you release music, either the critics or the fans themselves tear you asunder, I might also be a little worried about what to do too. We even quibble about the song names in here.
 
The Broadway show is completely irrelevant as a project, because it is only available in the US and has been for years. He says it's coming to London, which helps about 1%?

The whole global wants Michael. The biopic is fine, but they could easily cook up a EP or a small CD project at the same time as they are preparing the biopic.

But whatever. Looks like I might stop holding myself back to play Chicago and Dream Away sooner than I hoped
 
The Broadway show is completely irrelevant as a project, because it is only available in the US and has been for years. He says it's coming to London, which helps about 1%?

The whole global wants Michael. The biopic is fine, but they could easily cook up a EP or a small CD project at the same time as they are preparing the biopic.

But whatever. Looks like I might stop holding myself back to play Chicago and Dream Away sooner than I hoped
They don’t care about reach though, it’s what makes money. Albums just won’t pull in the cash they want. Effort vs reward.
 
The Broadway show is completely irrelevant as a project, because it is only available in the US and has been for years. He says it's coming to London, which helps about 1%?

The whole global wants Michael. The biopic is fine, but they could easily cook up a EP or a small CD project at the same time as they are preparing the biopic.

But whatever. Looks like I might stop holding myself back to play Chicago and Dream Away sooner than I hoped
Wait on Lord Jackson to steal a better quality Dream Away
 
Some "business decisions" don't make sense. Screw the damn musical, more than half the fandom aren't in the US neither can afford to go watch it.

Once again I say this, where do Asian and South American fans be in this mess? It's outrageous.

They are more focused on the things they produce. It's been their priority for ages now.
 
Mine and John Branca's idea of "interesting" differs considerably

It really comes back to the whole not showing Michael thing to me. There's been a pattern, through their decisions and their social media presence (beyond posting random photos with tone deaf captions) of not displaying MJ and more displaying the "idea" of him and stuff he has done. He's more of a brand now, which I kinda hate.

Dunno if anyone else feels like this or if it's just a vibe I have personally lol.

Hopefully the Thriller doc is more than what I think it's going to be in regards to the actual making of the album.
 
Some "business decisions" don't make sense. Screw the damn musical, more than half the fandom aren't in the US neither can afford to go watch it.

Once again I say this, where do Asian and South American fans be in this mess? It's outrageous.
I can understand the pessimism towards the musical, but as someone who’s seen it, it’s outstanding and deserves the acclaim and success it’s receiving. It is, in my opinion, one of the best moves they’ve made and a very unique and creative way to continue MJ’s legacy. And while I’m iffy on a biopic, it’s been done well before and could (emphasis on could) heighten him further.

At the end of the day, the important thing is MJ’s legacy and how it is shepherded forward. Posthumous albums aren’t what he needs, as much as I’d love it. The MJ show has brought the loudest feedback of any project they’ve ever done. That’s what I wanna see.
 
I can understand the pessimism towards the musical, but as someone who’s seen it, it’s outstanding and deserves the acclaim and success it’s receiving. It is, in my opinion, one of the best moves they’ve made and a very unique and creative way to continue MJ’s legacy. And while I’m iffy on a biopic, it’s been done well before and could (emphasis on could) heighten him further.

At the end of the day, the important thing is MJ’s legacy and how it is shepherded forward. Posthumous albums aren’t what he needs, as much as I’d love it. The MJ show has brought the loudest feedback of any project they’ve ever done. That’s what I wanna see.
I'm not being pessimistic about the musical, personally. I don't mind it at all.

What I'm addressing is the fact that there are no worldwide projects at the moment, which leaves us down here left aside. Even the freaking special screenings of T40 last year which happened in various places didn't reach here.

I want a project that can reach my arse in Brazil, for example.
 
I want a project that can reach my arse in Brazil, for example.

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I'm not being pessimistic about the musical, personally. I don't mind it at all.

What I'm addressing is the fact that there are no worldwide projects at the moment, which leaves us down here left aside. Even the freaking special screenings of T40 last year which happened in various places didn't reach here.

I want a project that can reach my arse in Brazil, for example.
I can understand that! I hope the show expands further overseas so it can be enjoyed by all. But yeah, the US-centric attitude of media overall is very annoying. Not surprised the estate has fallen victim to it.
 
From my unferstandig there will be world-tour from the Broadway-show. Next year starts the show in the UK, end of the year a biopic worldwide in theatre. After that it is a perfect time to start a world-tour with theshow and also making a docu about it.
 
Some "business decisions" don't make sense. Screw the damn musical, more than half the fandom aren't in the US neither can afford to go watch it. Once again I say this, where do Asian and South American fans be in this mess? It's outrageous.
For me it's not even a geographical thing although I do understand why that's an issue. I'm pleased the musical has done so well and hope that continues when it goes on tour. I have zero interest in the musical so when it comes to the UK I won't be going. I'm stoked for everyone else that likes this stuff but ... musicals, biopics? Not interested. I understand the MJE priority is to make money and so they concentrate on commercial projects rather than smaller stuff that's more niche. They could do easily do both and it's annoying that they don't.

It really comes back to the whole not showing Michael thing to me. There's been a pattern, through their decisions and their social media presence (beyond posting random photos with tone deaf captions) of not displaying MJ and more displaying the "idea" of him and stuff he has done.
My brain just exploded. This makes SO much sense. I couldn't see this but I really think you're on to something. Of course, if your perception is correct, it's bloody depressing. The 'idea' of Michael. Yeah, it really does feel like that.

He's more of a brand now, which I kinda hate.
Got mixed feelings about this. Michael had already turned himself into a brand in the 1980's and I wasn't wild about it, tbh. I'm so old-school, lol. But I totally understand why he did it and he was really good at it. Feels different when it's MJE doing it but perhaps that's unfair.

Dunno if anyone else feels like this or if it's just a vibe I have personally lol.
No, it's not just you. I realise now that I've had some vague unease at the back of my mind which has only now come into focus. This really does make sense to me.

I can understand the pessimism towards the musical, but as someone who’s seen it, it’s outstanding and deserves the acclaim and success it’s receiving. It is, in my opinion, one of the best moves they’ve made and a very unique and creative way to continue MJ’s legacy. And while I’m iffy on a biopic, it’s been done well before and could (emphasis on could) heighten him further. [...]
Can't really argue with any of this although I don't think there's anything unique about doing a musical. Plus there was Thriller Live in London which didn't look at Michael's life, it was simply a celebration of his music, but it must have provided MJE with some sort of template to work from (or against). Thriller Live ran from 2009 and only closed in 2020 bc of COVID-19, IIRC. But I agree that MJ the Musical is one of the most successful things MJE has done. And yet something just doesn't feel right. It feels unbalanced but maybe it's just me, maybe I'm being too picky ...

John Branca's recent statement left me cold, tbh. I get that there's loads of work to do, getting the musical on the road, completing the doc and dealing with 'technical' issues, getting the biopic underway. Sure, that's a lot of work. How big is the creative team at MJE? Is it really so small that they can't also work on smaller projects alongside the bigger things?
 
My biggest problem is they're not modeling more stuff after This is It. Like that show still holds so much allure, even just basing future concerts on that as the baseline would be pretty interesting. Their designs reek of third party after market stuff. But it's Cirque, and some musical people... Totally different markets/creatives I guess.

The projects need lots of creatives, and they need to be like Mike.
 
My biggest problem is they're not modeling more stuff after This is It. Like that show still holds so much allure, even just basing future concerts on that as the baseline would be pretty interesting. Their designs reek of third party after market stuff. But it's Cirque, and some musical people... Totally different markets/creatives I guess.

The projects need lots of creatives, and they need to be like Mike.
I can see the allure here, but I think the risk far outweighs the benefit. Why attempt to recreate or mimic something MJ already did? That only opens the door to nitpicking and comparisons, which won’t bode well for anyone. The Broadway show only directly replicates one or two events, and in my opinion it’s all the better for it. I also can’t imagine many are happy to return to This Is It given how much of a disaster it was.

When it comes to deceased artists, I find less value in copying/recreating than I do in finding new ways to expand and build upon their existing work.
 
I find less value in copying/recreating than I do in finding new ways to expand and build upon their existing work.

This is exactly how I see what they are doing now though, tbh. Maybe not recreating but approximating.

If they wanted to build upon it then they'd probably just use the same technologies to envision a whole new thing. Which I guess goes back to Cirque, so maybe they did alrighty. With that project I think they did do Okay. The musical I know less about.

The music though, they're definitely very beholden to MJ and his format. Even Xscape is a lot more traditional than people say it is. I wish they would do even wilder things with these demoes then they have, though I may be alone in that. Like a whole record of Tricky Stewart stuff, but with Kaytranada. Stuff we could never want but couldn't stop once we got it.
 
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Imagine if the Estate opened a random vault somewhere and found 6 albums worth of unreleased material 😩

Knowing them they probably still mess it up somehow
i imagine them messing that up so bad theyd be releasing an album full of already released songs from 90s and 80s and selling them as previously unreleased material
 
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Pretty sure theres like the same amount of leaked songs as there are released songs

It's insane
If you look at the estate's faq they are not going to release anything that they don't feel is good enough and that Michael would be happy with. Unless it's on a drake song then it's all good.
 
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If you look at the estate's faq they are not going to release anything that they don't feel is good enough and that Michael would be happy with. Unless it's on a drake song the it's all good.
Yes, and except for Abortion Papers. Nothing damaging about people's perception of MJ with that song...
Or reneging on calling "Do You Know Where Your Children Are" as "12 O'Clock"...
Or releasing that Xscape documentary where they shit over MJ's original compositions...
Or releasing the Bad Tour sourced from a couple of VHS'...
And then there's the chalk. That ****** piece of chalk. I'm sure MJ would have loved that since he was always on the cutting edge of technology. Not to mention using the OTW album cover that he hated.
 
What the hell happened to From Heaven to Grouse Lodge? You know, that tribute album which was supposed to be announced on May? It seems like the estate blocked its release, which is unfortunate because I was really forward to hearing some unreleased Michael songs, even if they have some input from other artists.
 
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