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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

my question wasn't about TYLA, it was about songs that sound like the song
forget my question
 
firmware-god said:
Teddy it is. I bet a lot of people will be pissed at me.

It still seems to be a working title and I can only give away the information I have.
I received the folder as following: "Faith Id Kill Rough" (back then you couldn't do an apostrophe in ProTools, thats why it's missing).
Includes 46 stems/tracks with very basic descriptions.
The files are definitely from ProTools which would indicate that it's Invincible era or after.
Altough there is no date anywhere - (this is typical for Teddys stems)
Quality wise it's very high. 44100Hz.
The lead vocal (still rough) has a runtime of 8:42 minutes.
The bassline reminds me of 2000 Watts or is at least following the direction.
The drums itself are analog and not digital like Rodneys drums.
Not a very funky song. Rather dark and semi aggressive.
Lyrics are mumbled with chewing gum - (who would have thought that?)
The word "faith" never appears in the vocals.
"Kill" on the other hand a couple of times within the bridge.
Features the common "doo doo doo" in between.
Features a very heavy guitar in the background.

It's kinda surprising to me. If you look at other stuff from Teddy, you will notice that most of the tracks he did, had a positive vibe.
This one is the opposite.

And I know there will be comments like "What's the lyrics?" and "Share snippets".
I may do the lyrics part in the near future. Right now I just don't have the time to do this properly.
I can only understand 3/4 of the words.
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Already from your description i'm kinda hyped for this song ngl
 
firmware-god said:
Teddy it is. I bet a lot of people will be pissed at me.

It still seems to be a working title and I can only give away the information I have.
I received the folder as following: "Faith Id Kill Rough" (back then you couldn't do an apostrophe in ProTools, thats why it's missing)
Includes 46 stems/tracks with very basic descriptions.
The files are definitely from ProTools which would indicate that it's Invincible era or after.
Altough there is no date anywhere - (this is typical for Teddys stems)
Quality wise it's very high. 44100Hz.
The lead vocal (still rough) has a runtime of 8:42 minutes.
Very little BG vocals.
The bassline reminds me of 2000 Watts or is at least following the direction.
The drums itself are analog and not digital like Rodneys drums.
Not a very funky song. Rather dark and semi aggressive.
Lyrics are mumbled with chewing gum - (who would have thought that?)
The word "faith" never appears in the vocals.
"Kill" on the other hand a couple of times within the bridge.
Features the common "doo doo doo" in between.
Features a very heavy guitar in the background.

It's kinda surprising to me. If you look at other stuff from Teddy, you will notice that most of the tracks he did, had a positive vibe.
This one is the opposite.

And I know there will be comments like "What's the lyrics?" and "Share snippets".
I may do the lyrics part in the near future. Right now I just don't have the time to do this properly.
I can only understand 3/4 of the words.

Edit: I know it's very hard to interpret what you just read, if you never heard an actual Michael rough take. This is a Ghost excerpt. Nothing special. But it gives an idea, on how Michaels brain worked: https://voca.ro/19E2WvcFLXla
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That's pretty interesting if true. Are you able to send a screenshot of the ProTools session showing the runtime, some of the tracks and all?
 
firmware-god said:
Teddy it is. I bet a lot of people will be pissed at me.

It still seems to be a working title and I can only give away the information I have.
I received the folder as following: "Faith Id Kill Rough" (back then you couldn't do an apostrophe in ProTools, thats why it's missing)
Includes 46 stems/tracks with very basic descriptions.
The files are definitely from ProTools which would indicate that it's Invincible era or after.
Altough there is no date anywhere - (this is typical for Teddys stems)
Quality wise it's very high. 44100Hz.
The lead vocal (still rough) has a runtime of 8:42 minutes.
Very little BG vocals.
The bassline reminds me of 2000 Watts or is at least following the direction.
The drums itself are analog and not digital like Rodneys drums.
Not a very funky song. Rather dark and semi aggressive.
Lyrics are mumbled with chewing gum - (who would have thought that?)
The word "faith" never appears in the vocals.
"Kill" on the other hand a couple of times within the bridge.
Features the common "doo doo doo" in between.
Features a very heavy guitar in the background.

It's kinda surprising to me. If you look at other stuff from Teddy, you will notice that most of the tracks he did, had a positive vibe.
This one is the opposite.

And I know there will be comments like "What's the lyrics?" and "Share snippets".
I may do the lyrics part in the near future. Right now I just don't have the time to do this properly.
I can only understand 3/4 of the words.

Edit: I know it's very hard to interpret what you just read, if you never heard an actual Michael rough take. This is a Ghost excerpt. Nothing special. But it gives an idea, on how Michaels brain worked: https://voca.ro/19E2WvcFLXla
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Well, this is indeed some real new information. It would actually be interesting to develop further when you have time.
 
firmware-god said:
I would have thought they used 48000Hz. But this could have some technical aspects from the early 2000s. I don't know.
My ProTools knowledge is basically zero (by choice). I hate ProTools.
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Thank you for answering and giving some information i appreciate it. I don’t mean to sound harsh or attack you. It’s just that there has been so many fake “insiders” in the past I am cautious about anyone, especially when you say there are a bunch of finished unreleased tracks when literally every other source has claimed the opposite. Please keep giving info because it helps the fans peice together the giant puzzle of the unreleased tracks. Would you be willing to answer my 2008/9 track question?
 
firmware-god said:
Korgnex does not know me. He does not have GOAL. He lives in his own bubble. He is not "the Michael Jackson god".
If you knew, how many collectors there are, reading this thread and asking me about the stems ;)
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The thing I don’t understand is how you have the multitracks to GOAL when there has been no evidence of them ever being in circulation. We’ve seen two different mixes of the demo- one with an intro and the other without. I also think it’s fair to assume that the leaked version is the most current one, since it’s from Theron Feemster’s seminar. Doesn’t make sense for him to play a rougher, earlier version of a song he produced if there is a more polished version.
 
Inthestudiowithmj said:
Recap of ITSWMJ day with Buxer + Prince:

They did something new for Brad’s seminars, we went through invincible track by track



They started by talking about how the sessions started right after the history tour. MP mentioned “Monster”, “Bio” & “Hanson”. I was really hoping they’d play Monster, but they did not.

Unbreakable - people bobbed along and after the majority of the track finished, Brad asked BB & MP what they thought; Buxer said “I didn’t work on that one”

Heartbreaker - this was pretty cool because when they played the track but once the chorus he solo’ed the background vocals, very cool!

invincible - just the album version from memory. By the end of the 3 tracks the crowd was clearly not impressed with the jerkins tracks. Buxer said “I’m not a fan of Rodney’s tracks but I love him” or something along those lines.

Break of Dawn - a breath of fresh air! One of my favourites. The crowd was clearly enjoying it. After Buxer & Prince talked about dr freeze and praised him. Buxer mentioned “remember when we got him to sing “jungle”? He sounds just like Michael. You know with the fake tracks, if they were going to try to get someone to sound like Michael they should have gone for him”

Heaven can wait - cool track, nothing special

Butterflies - cool story, they argued about the adlib vocal from the woman at the end when she really belts. Buxer said it was autotuned and Prince and Sundberg said no. They played the solo’ed vocals

Speechless - highlight right here, Buxer told the story of how it was born, then played the track, acapella, background vocals. Strings solo’ed (which sounded amazing). There was 2 choirs on it, Tom bahler’s choir and another I cannot recall. They played both by themselves. Buxer said the track is “candy ass”

The lost children - Buxer absolutely hates this song lol. He said it was a mistake and that he wished it never came out. He said “just be done with the kids stuff man”

Whatever happens - highlight. Amazing track, crowd was feeling this one. Someone requested to hear Santanas solo isolated. Cool.

That’s all the tracks from invincible we listened too.

Buxer and Prince said “let’s listen to some stuff that we really like”

Stranger in Moscow - Buxer told the story about conception. Played along on his keyboard while it played

Childhood - same thing

Will you be there - same thing

In the back (voicemail) - highlight. MJ calls Buxer and says “I got an idea” or something along those lines. He then beat boxes in the back while singing the lyrics. He released “like that you know” a lot. Very very cool moment.

In the back - played the released version just to show how it progressed

Beautiful girl - highlight. Played the released version. Then this was the cool part. MP did a live mix of the song, he started with the percussion adding in little by little, then the guitar, strings etc before adding in BGV and finally lead vocals. It was amazing to witness.

Hollywood tonight (2008 version) - highlight. It starts just like the leaked demo with drum machine. But the rhythm guitar played by David Williams was PHENOMENAL. It takes the track to a whole new level, super funky. Way better than the leaked demo and the released version. Apparently there was additional vocals in the bridge but I don’t recall. On the bridge there was no “keep the drums playing” I believe it was just a rhythm guitar solo. MP told us how MJ recorded the guitar and MJ gave some really good tips to them to get the plucky sound he was going for.

Hollywood tonight (released version) - boring, would have liked to listen to the 2008 version again lol

That’s the extent of the unreleased material they played. No TWYLM, IAAL, or DIG, it was clear that they would not play anything unreleased that wasn’t connected to an already released demo, unfortunately.

Day 2 and 3 with Brian Vibberts & Matt Forger didn’t have any unreleased or new music at all. I did ask Forger about “Buffalo Bill” on a break but the music was playing so loud i had to yell into his ear for him to hear me. He said “I worked on that very quickly”. I asked about the state of the vault, because he works with the estate, I asked him if he has copies of some of the demos. He said “the estate has everything”. A person asked about “Tunring me off” and asked if they have it and if they’d play it. They said they don’t have it, Sundberg said “I liked that one”
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The only thing from Rodney i'm interested in is the making of Invincible footage he has.
 
firmware-god said:
You are correct. The songs we are talking about are mostly not registered. For good reason.

This is why revealing them might lead to speculation about me. Which again, I don’t want to risk. Maybe, but it‘s a hard maybe, I‘ll upload something in the next few weeks.

GOAL is vocally finished. Amazing track. The last time I talked about it, I got hardcore downvoted. I was planing on organising a fundraiser, as the song was for sale back then. That offer is gone by now, as I have bought the stems myself.
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GOAl vocally finished? Meaning a version with actual verses and not mumbles? Something more updated than what leaked? If so, what's the lyrics like?
 
firmware-god said:
For starters, I might need to apologize.
I was talking about stems and not multitracks, when I should have.
Maybe my head got a bit confused cause of the 42 degrees we have here.

Let's clear something up; A couple of comments ago I was asked, what stems are.
No one has seemed to realise, that my answer to that was complete bullshit.
It's the other way aroud:

"Multitracks consist of all the individual elements of an audio production, each with their own dedicated track (i.e. kick, snare, hats, toms, shaker). Some may be mono, while others are stereo. They may have been recorded from microphones or direct inputs, programmed in a sequencer, or arranged in a sampler."

"Stems are stereo recordings sourced from mixes of multiple individual tracks, such as drums, vocals, and bass. For example, a drum stem will typically be a stereo audio file that sounds like all of the drum tracks mixed together."

Now that thats's out of the way, I will answer about GOAL one more time.
And after that, I will not respond to any more comments about those multitracks.

1. Yes, the song progressed in the recent years (while Michael was still with us)
2. No, the multitracks are not for sale - it was a coincidence for me to even get them
3. You can't know about them circulating, because they weren't
4. There are seven mixes, that MP did for MJ
5. My multitracks contain nine lead vocal takes - yes, they have dates, but I'm not sharing that information at the moment.
6. The song will probably never be released.
7. This it is.
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If 1. through 5., then WHY 6. ???
Worded differently:
Why wouldn't they release the song someday in the future???

Are you assuming?
Were you told?
If you were told, from which party you were told this info?
What should be the reason for this foolishness?
 
MJJuniorSinceMW said:
If 1. through 5., then WHY 6. ???
Worded differently:
Why wouldn't they release the song someday in the future???

Are you assuming?
Were you told?
If you were told, from which party you were told this info?
What should be the reason for this foolishness?
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I know this is a popular track, for good reason. I can't imagine he'll want to reveal who said what, though. Could lead back to him. As far as if material can/will be released or not, I think the first place to look is the Estate, and its track record.
 
FlyAway0086 said:
I know this is a popular track, for good reason. I can't imagine he'll want to reveal who said what, though. Could lead back to him. As far as if material can/will be released or not, I think the first place to look is the Estate, and its track record.
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Who's the author/composer of GOAL?
 
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