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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

BlackAnon said:
Michael playing "rejects" for the record execs and since they loved the songs, it turned Dangerous from a 10 track LP to a 14 track.
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michaeljackson.nl said:
August 1991 if I recall correctly
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August seems logical. My theory: MJ has presented the execs the very same 14 track album as it's been compiled in the leaked Sundberg video. In addition four "outtakes" -Give In To Me / Keep The Faith / Monkey Business / Earth Song- were presented.

The editor might got confused and thought all four new tracks made the album?
 
Inthestudiowithmj said:
I just had a thought. Knowing that BB & MP played alot of unreleased tracks at the making history with MJ, the HT version was probably played aswell. So that leak is potentially real.
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Sadly, I can’t find it on YouTube. Nonetheless, it was a very LQ recording. I remember it leaking around the same time as the full LQ recording of Man In Black.
 
BlackAnon said:
Teddy was already on board in 1990 and according to him, he already had the hook and chorus written when he presented it to Michael. Michael wrote the verses and Teddy revised them.
"I had the hook and I knew where it was going. I had this wild relationship at the time. The chorus and the hook is based exactly on how that relationship went down. So I brought that with me. I knew it was special."
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How true is this? Dave Way (one of Teddy’s engineers) said that they didn’t arrive in LA until early 1991. There doesn’t seem to be a consistent timeline for Teddy’s arrival as everyone says something different.
 
AlwaysThere said:
How true is this? Dave Way (one of Teddy’s engineers) said that they didn’t arrive in LA until early 1991. There doesn’t seem to be a consistent timeline for Teddy’s arrival as everyone says something different.
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I'll double check but I'm sure Teddy said he packed up in 1990 to meet with Michael.
 
George mentioned to a news outlet [not the one I posted] he met with Michael at Hayvenhurst for a possible collaboration.

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Does anyone have any information about this snippet? I know it was posted a while ago, but I didn't see anyone talking about it.

 
BlackAnon said:
George mentioned to a news outlet [not the one I posted] he met with Michael at Hayvenhurst for a possible collaboration.

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While interesting, I also can't help but question the credibility of such claims (not you - the sources) when they don't even have the decency to not call him "*****". Could be a quick headline cash grab.
 
FlyAway0086 said:
While interesting, I also can't help but question the credibility of such claims (not you - the sources) when they don't even have the decency to not call him "*****". Could be a quick headline cash grab.
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This was around the time they were using the term "*****" because of his changing appearance, which I find offensive.
 
JustinC2002 said:
So I guess it's possible MJ recorded a song with George Michael?
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Not impossible. But on the other hand, "sources in L.A." could be the hot dog vendor saying he saw both of them walk in the studio.
BlackAnon said:
This was around the time they were using the term "*****" because of his changing appearance, which I find offensive.
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Yes, it was a very ugly term to use. Especially if it has the connotations that have been suggested. Which is why it makes the waters murky for me. If they're willing to slander his name and appearance completely unprovoked, then they would certainly embellish a story to fatten their pockets. Not to say the collab is untrue, without a doubt.
 
They did plan a duet but the meeting of both of them did not go well and apart from the initial meeting nothing new happened. Later in 2005 George was also reportedly pretty distraught Michael wasn’t convicted for pedophilia. There is no such thing as a duet unfortunately
 
filmandmusic said:
They did plan a duet but the meeting of both of them did not go well and apart from the initial meeting nothing new happened. Later in 2005 George was also reportedly pretty distraught Michael wasn’t convicted for pedophilia. There is no such thing as a duet unfortunately
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George was probably upset Michael backed away from the possible collaboration because he blabbed about it.

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Then later in 2012, he talked about how sad he was when Michael passed.
 
BlackAnon said:
George was probably upset Michael backed away from the possible collaboration because he blabbed about it.

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Then later in 2012, he talked about how sad he was when Michael passed.
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Pretty contradicting with what I’ve heard. Now my story comes from a journalist who interviewed George and told him this off the record. I read it online a couple of years ago. I hope your story or post is the truth and not mine.
 
Damien Shields already talked about Innocent Man, we have the lyrics of the song. Chorus vocals are softly sung.
 
Hollywood_Tonight said:
If you’re willing, would you be able to describe how “Innocent Man” sounds? How would you compare it to other tracks from the HIStory era?
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Oh I haven't heard it, I was responding saying those are the lyrics as they're available.
 
“Oh yeah, we were even going to work together. But his bizarre behaviour put the kibosh on that. It was 1988 – around the Bad and Faith periods – and it’s funny, looking back, but at the time we were the biggest male pop stars in the world, rivals I suppose. And our label Sony had this grand idea of a  duet – the two Michaels – it could’ve been the biggest thing ever!

But I’d heard that  Prince had turned him down. I also knew that he was sitting on stuff he’d done with  Freddie Mercury - apparently they fell out because Freddie would get coked up and kept urging him to come out ofthe closet ! Was Freddie trying it on with him? Who knows? But it wouldn’t surprise me, knowing Freddie! Anyway, a meeting was arranged at the Jackson family compound in Encino. Michael had just bought Neverland but we’d heard that no adults were allowed there, except staff. We drove all the way to the house in the steaming heat of California. It took ages to get there in the steaming heat of California; a really long drive in a stuffy car from LA and I’m really hot and sweaty.

When we arrive, we’re shown into the porch by the front door and told that Michael will be down to see us shortly. I was standing there for 20 minutes. Then Michael arrives, in full make-up with shades on, inside the house. He’s accompanied by his manager Frank DiLeo, and I have my manager with me, so there’s the four of us standing in the hallway, and Frank does all the talking.”
“Not once does Michael ever shake our hands, take his shades off or speak directly to us. I try to engage him in conversation but he just turns his head and looks at the floor. All questions to him have to go through his manager, even when you’re standing right in front of him. Unbelievable rudeness!

As the managers try to work out the logistics of who would write the song and all that, the only time Michael volunteers to speak is a whisper in Frank’s ear:

‘Michael wants to know how much do you think we could sell of this record?’”
“It would have been absolutely massive, ands my manager made it clear it would be, but it was almost like Michael wanted some kind of guarantee: ‘I will only agree to work with you if it’s going to sell at least x million.’

But by this point I’d lost interest. We’d been talking for over an hour and not once were were offered a drink or even a chair. I came away thinking this guy is a complete and utter nutter. And that was the last time there was ever any talk of the two of us working together. But no amount of record sales was worth that kind of behaviour.”

George Michael talking about Michael in 2005.
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
“Oh yeah, we were even going to work together. But his bizarre behaviour put the kibosh on that. It was 1988 – around the Bad and Faith periods – and it’s funny, looking back, but at the time we were the biggest male pop stars in the world, rivals I suppose. And our label Sony had this grand idea of a  duet – the two Michaels – it could’ve been the biggest thing ever!

But I’d heard that  Prince had turned him down. I also knew that he was sitting on stuff he’d done with  Freddie Mercury - apparently they fell out because Freddie would get coked up and kept urging him to come out ofthe closet ! Was Freddie trying it on with him? Who knows? But it wouldn’t surprise me, knowing Freddie! Anyway, a meeting was arranged at the Jackson family compound in Encino. Michael had just bought Neverland but we’d heard that no adults were allowed there, except staff. We drove all the way to the house in the steaming heat of California. It took ages to get there in the steaming heat of California; a really long drive in a stuffy car from LA and I’m really hot and sweaty.

When we arrive, we’re shown into the porch by the front door and told that Michael will be down to see us shortly. I was standing there for 20 minutes. Then Michael arrives, in full make-up with shades on, inside the house. He’s accompanied by his manager Frank DiLeo, and I have my manager with me, so there’s the four of us standing in the hallway, and Frank does all the talking.”
“Not once does Michael ever shake our hands, take his shades off or speak directly to us. I try to engage him in conversation but he just turns his head and looks at the floor. All questions to him have to go through his manager, even when you’re standing right in front of him. Unbelievable rudeness!

As the managers try to work out the logistics of who would write the song and all that, the only time Michael volunteers to speak is a whisper in Frank’s ear:

‘Michael wants to know how much do you think we could sell of this record?’”
“It would have been absolutely massive, ands my manager made it clear it would be, but it was almost like Michael wanted some kind of guarantee: ‘I will only agree to work with you if it’s going to sell at least x million.’

But by this point I’d lost interest. We’d been talking for over an hour and not once were were offered a drink or even a chair. I came away thinking this guy is a complete and utter nutter. And that was the last time there was ever any talk of the two of us working together. But no amount of record sales was worth that kind of behaviour.”

George Michael talking about Michael in 2005.
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George should've taken a page from his own book - "Gotta have faith, faith, faith."
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
“Oh yeah, we were even going to work together. But his bizarre behaviour put the kibosh on that. It was 1988 – around the Bad and Faith periods – and it’s funny, looking back, but at the time we were the biggest male pop stars in the world, rivals I suppose. And our label Sony had this grand idea of a  duet – the two Michaels – it could’ve been the biggest thing ever!

But I’d heard that  Prince had turned him down. I also knew that he was sitting on stuff he’d done with  Freddie Mercury - apparently they fell out because Freddie would get coked up and kept urging him to come out ofthe closet ! Was Freddie trying it on with him? Who knows? But it wouldn’t surprise me, knowing Freddie! Anyway, a meeting was arranged at the Jackson family compound in Encino. Michael had just bought Neverland but we’d heard that no adults were allowed there, except staff. We drove all the way to the house in the steaming heat of California. It took ages to get there in the steaming heat of California; a really long drive in a stuffy car from LA and I’m really hot and sweaty.

When we arrive, we’re shown into the porch by the front door and told that Michael will be down to see us shortly. I was standing there for 20 minutes. Then Michael arrives, in full make-up with shades on, inside the house. He’s accompanied by his manager Frank DiLeo, and I have my manager with me, so there’s the four of us standing in the hallway, and Frank does all the talking.”
“Not once does Michael ever shake our hands, take his shades off or speak directly to us. I try to engage him in conversation but he just turns his head and looks at the floor. All questions to him have to go through his manager, even when you’re standing right in front of him. Unbelievable rudeness!

As the managers try to work out the logistics of who would write the song and all that, the only time Michael volunteers to speak is a whisper in Frank’s ear:

‘Michael wants to know how much do you think we could sell of this record?’”
“It would have been absolutely massive, ands my manager made it clear it would be, but it was almost like Michael wanted some kind of guarantee: ‘I will only agree to work with you if it’s going to sell at least x million.’

But by this point I’d lost interest. We’d been talking for over an hour and not once were were offered a drink or even a chair. I came away thinking this guy is a complete and utter nutter. And that was the last time there was ever any talk of the two of us working together. But no amount of record sales was worth that kind of behaviour.”

George Michael talking about Michael in 2005.
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honestly would have to side with George here, though it would have obviously been exaggerated. shocked to hear that freddie attempted to talk up MJ into "coming out" though hahah
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
“Oh yeah, we were even going to work together. But his bizarre behaviour put the kibosh on that. It was 1988 – around the Bad and Faith periods – and it’s funny, looking back, but at the time we were the biggest male pop stars in the world, rivals I suppose. And our label Sony had this grand idea of a  duet – the two Michaels – it could’ve been the biggest thing ever!

But I’d heard that  Prince had turned him down. I also knew that he was sitting on stuff he’d done with  Freddie Mercury - apparently they fell out because Freddie would get coked up and kept urging him to come out ofthe closet ! Was Freddie trying it on with him? Who knows? But it wouldn’t surprise me, knowing Freddie! Anyway, a meeting was arranged at the Jackson family compound in Encino. Michael had just bought Neverland but we’d heard that no adults were allowed there, except staff. We drove all the way to the house in the steaming heat of California. It took ages to get there in the steaming heat of California; a really long drive in a stuffy car from LA and I’m really hot and sweaty.

When we arrive, we’re shown into the porch by the front door and told that Michael will be down to see us shortly. I was standing there for 20 minutes. Then Michael arrives, in full make-up with shades on, inside the house. He’s accompanied by his manager Frank DiLeo, and I have my manager with me, so there’s the four of us standing in the hallway, and Frank does all the talking.”
“Not once does Michael ever shake our hands, take his shades off or speak directly to us. I try to engage him in conversation but he just turns his head and looks at the floor. All questions to him have to go through his manager, even when you’re standing right in front of him. Unbelievable rudeness!

As the managers try to work out the logistics of who would write the song and all that, the only time Michael volunteers to speak is a whisper in Frank’s ear:

‘Michael wants to know how much do you think we could sell of this record?’”
“It would have been absolutely massive, ands my manager made it clear it would be, but it was almost like Michael wanted some kind of guarantee: ‘I will only agree to work with you if it’s going to sell at least x million.’

But by this point I’d lost interest. We’d been talking for over an hour and not once were were offered a drink or even a chair. I came away thinking this guy is a complete and utter nutter. And that was the last time there was ever any talk of the two of us working together. But no amount of record sales was worth that kind of behaviour.”

George Michael talking about Michael in 2005.
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Unpopular opinion, but George comes off like a complete douchebag here. Obviously he has every right to feel the way he does, and MJ certainly didn’t come off in a good light with this interaction, but it isn’t lost on me that there are previous interviews where George says MJ was perfectly polite… and then switches up his stance in 2005. Seems like he’s capitalizing on the public stance.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Unpopular opinion,
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Not so unpopular, actually

AlwaysThere said:
but George comes off like a complete douchebag here.
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Agreed. This is the sort of story about Michael that I always take with a pinch of salt. What's really going on, is this an accurate narrative, is there an agenda? Isn't this the story that was embedded in a longer article where George was angry about the 2005 Not Guilty verdicts? That doesn't mean he's not telling the truth about this visit to Michael's home but I wonder if any part of it is being exaggerated. Just a thought. :unsure:

AlwaysThere said:
Obviously he has every right to feel the way he does,
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Absolutely.

AlwaysThere said:
and MJ certainly didn’t come off in a good light with this interaction,
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He doesn't but I would want more info, quite frankly. I don't want just one side of the story. Not bc I can't accept that Michael might have been rude on this occasion but just bc this only presents one (biased?) side of the story. This is the kind of anecdote where I stay neutral bc I don't have enough info.

AlwaysThere said:
but it isn’t lost on me that there are previous interviews where George says MJ was perfectly polite… and then switches up his stance in 2005. Seems like he’s capitalizing on the public stance.
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Who knows what was really going on? As for the collab, if it was a record label idea maybe Michael just didn't wanna do it.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Unpopular opinion, but George comes off like a complete douchebag here. Obviously he has every right to feel the way he does, and MJ certainly didn’t come off in a good light with this interaction, but it isn’t lost on me that there are previous interviews where George says MJ was perfectly polite… and then switches up his stance in 2005. Seems like he’s capitalizing on the public stance.
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Don’t forget that this was off the record. It wasn’t meant to be published I think. George just spoke his mind.
 
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