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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Fuzball said:
Bill Bottrell:

We worked all day and into the night on Feb 28, 1986 on "Bad Girl" including vocals. I'm not sure what level of completion. We never worked on it again.

Since it wasn't worked on more than that day, I can't remember how it sounded.
I maintained strict security, I never took home tapes.
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Dude you put his quote in here lmao
 
Fuzball said:
Hot Street would have been kept on the album, hadn't TGIM been already released to radio stations.
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Source for that?

I've never heard that one. And wouldn't think that would be possible, especially when the track featured Paul McCartney.
 
threepea11 said:
That doesn't mean that he doesn't know the song exists...
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He didn't recall it by it's title.

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Derek1984 said:
Source for that?

I've never heard that one. And wouldn't think that would be possible, especially when the track featured Paul McCartney.
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Bruce Swedien said because of TGIM sent to radios they couldn't trim TGIM ("new edit version") & WBSS (7" mix), so they had to get rid of a song. Bruce didn't specify the name of the tenth track on Thriller, but the registration of the Thriller tracks on CMRAA reveals it being Hot Street.
 
Fuzball said:
Bruce Swedien said because of TGIM sent to radios they couldn't trim TGIM ("new edit version") & WBSS (7" mix), so they had to get rid of a song. Bruce didn't specify the name of the tenth track on Thriller, but the registration of the Thriller tracks on CMRAA reveals it being Hot Street.
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Allegedly Hot Street is on an early acetate for Thriller: https://www.mjjcommunity.com/threads/original-thriller-tracklist.201104/

Not sure if there are any pictures of said acetate?
 
Eventidescape1 said:
i don’t believe that Quincy recorded Behind The Mask though. That went as far as demo stage at Hayvenhurst.
I’d say Hot Street instead.
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Score sheets from Westlake sessions:

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A group of Michael Jackson scores for the following songs: "Hot Street" sketch score marked "(Not Used)" and dated "7-20-82"; "Slapstick" sketch score marked "Demo," title is crossed out and "Hot Street" written as the new title, dated "7-12-82"; "She's Trouble" sketch score marked "(Not Used)" and dated "8-3-82"; "Carousel" sketch score marked "(Not Used)" and dated "8-3-82"; "Nightline" sketch score marked "(Not Used)" and dated "8-3-82"; and "Behind the Mask" sketch score marked "(Not Used)."

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A group of musical scores from Michael Jackson's Thriller album including "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' " marked "demo" listing Michael Jackson as the producer and "Q.J." (Quincy Jones) as the composer; "Baby Be Mine" sketch score marked "demo," dated "7-20-82," and noting "QJ" as the arranger; "The Girl Is Mine" marked "Prelim"; "Thriller" sketch score marked "Prelim," dated "8-3-82," and noting that the former title was "Starlite"; "Human Nature" sketch score marked "demo"; "P.Y.T." marked "Q.J ." and "Final."
 
Fuzball said:
Score sheets from Westlake sessions:

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A group of Michael Jackson scores for the following songs: "Hot Street" sketch score marked "(Not Used)" and dated "7-20-82"; "Slapstick" sketch score marked "Demo," title is crossed out and "Hot Street" written as the new title, dated "7-12-82"; "She's Trouble" sketch score marked "(Not Used)" and dated "8-3-82"; "Carousel" sketch score marked "(Not Used)" and dated "8-3-82"; "Nightline" sketch score marked "(Not Used)" and dated "8-3-82"; and "Behind the Mask" sketch score marked "(Not Used)."

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A group of musical scores from Michael Jackson's Thriller album including "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' " marked "demo" listing Michael Jackson as the producer and "Q.J." (Quincy Jones) as the composer; "Baby Be Mine" sketch score marked "demo," dated "7-20-82," and noting "QJ" as the arranger; "The Girl Is Mine" marked "Prelim"; "Thriller" sketch score marked "Prelim," dated "8-3-82," and noting that the former title was "Starlite"; "Human Nature" sketch score marked "demo"; "P.Y.T." marked "Q.J ." and "Final."
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Those are just the scoresheets. Doesn’t necessarily mean it was recorded at Westlake, but does show it was at one point strongly considered.

However, Michael could not agree on publishing royalties with the original writers so they ditched the track. As far as I can tell, it did not progress far compared to Hot Street or the other tracks.
 
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SmoothGangsta said:
I personally find it hard to imagine any outtake fitting on one of his albums after hearing the final tracklist. I think the decisions that were made in that regard worked best and the album is what it is regardless of any existing outtakes.
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Yeah, I think this is a very good perspective. It’s why I can’t envision it when people say “For All Time” should’ve been on Dangerous, even though I absolutely adore that song and prefer it to at least a quarter of the actual album.
 
Fuzball said:
Bruce Swedien said because of TGIM sent to radios they couldn't trim TGIM ("new edit version") & WBSS (7" mix), so they had to get rid of a song. Bruce didn't specify the name of the tenth track on Thriller, but the registration of the Thriller tracks on CMRAA reveals it being Hot Street.
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Ok, interesting. I wonder if the leaked version we have is the same version that was going to be on the album.

Also, very odd Hot Street was left off Thriller 40. Obviously being held back for Thriller 50.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Yeah, I think this is a very good perspective. It’s why I can’t envision it when people say “For All Time” should’ve been on Dangerous, even though I absolutely adore that song and prefer it to at least a quarter of the actual album.
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I think For All Time should’ve been slotted over Keep the Faith or She Drives Me Wild. I lean towards the latter more as I feel like CLHGA already fills what SDMW was trying to do, there’s no need for another “filler” (despite the fact CLHGA is not a filler at all lmao). SDMW feels too, idk, same-y. Songs like SE, BOTDF or even a finished version of SGI could’ve gone on the album over SDMW.
 
Derek1984 said:
Ok, interesting. I wonder if the leaked version we have is the same version that was going to be on the album.

Also, very odd Hot Street was left off Thriller 40. Obviously being held back for Thriller 50.
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We know the estate is not gonna do Dangerous 35 cus biopic, Bad 40 seems most likely, especially to keep the momentum of the Biopic(s). What would even go on a Bad 40? WYDTM? The full version of WAHTCTW? MoB? TMO? Can’t even imagine what a Thriller 50 would feature besides Hot Street. DMTM? Learned my Lesson? RTD?
 
threepea11 said:
I think For All Time should’ve been slotted over Keep the Faith or She Drives Me Wild. I lean towards the latter more as I feel like CLHGA already fills what SDMW was trying to do, there’s no need for another “filler” (despite the fact CLHGA is not a filler at all lmao). SDMW feels too, idk, same-y. Songs like SE, BOTDF or even a finished version of SGI could’ve gone on the album over SDMW.
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People say this all the time but the thing is, none of them fit the sound Dangerous ended up going for.
Most people like to claim that Dangerous has no standard sound and thus it's all over the place, so it wouldn't really matter, but I disagree... it clearly does have an established sound per side of the record, the first half being pure Teddy Riley stuff and the other half being MJ's normal team (Bruce, Bill, Brad, etc), there's some exceptions on each side (Jam being on the first half or Dangerous being at the end) but there's clearly a pattern.

None of the Bryan Loren tracks would have fit the sound of the album, they sounded dated even for their time, and Teddy's stuff was also dated even back then, so imagine!
As for For All Time, I do think it would have fit nicely in the 2nd half of the record, perhaps in place of something like Gone Too Soon, I would say Heal The World but unfortunately that one has to stay no matter what lol
SPYHO would have also fit nicely in there, but maybe the record would have turned into something more ballad-oriented.
 
NeoGardiV12 said:
People say this all the time but the thing is, none of them fit the sound Dangerous ended up going for.
Most people like to claim that Dangerous has no standard sound and thus it's all over the place, so it wouldn't really matter, but I disagree... it clearly does have an established sound per side of the record, the first half being pure Teddy Riley stuff and the other half being MJ's normal team (Bruce, Bill, Brad, etc), there's some exceptions on each side (Jam being on the first half or Dangerous being at the end) but there's clearly a pattern.

None of the Bryan Loren tracks would have fit the sound of the album, they sounded dated even for their time, and Teddy's stuff was also dated even back then, so imagine!
As for For All Time, I do think it would have fit nicely in the 2nd half of the record, perhaps in place of something like Gone Too Soon, I would say Heal The World but unfortunately that one has to stay no matter what lol
SPYHO would have also fit nicely in there, but maybe the record would have turned into something more ballad-oriented.
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For All Time honestly reminds me a lot of Loving You, and ive always seen Loving You as a sort of break song, like if it HYPOTHETICALLY was on the an album, it could be inbetween a run of 3-4 hard hitting songs in a row. For All Time definitely feels like that. I definitely think it needed a bit more work as it feels noticeably short, but I would put in FAT (that doesn’t sound good 😭) over SDMW or Keep The Faith.

Also I think GTS would also be irreplaceable just because of its meaning as well
 
BlackAnon said:
Hot Street
Nightline
Carousel
She’s Trouble
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Nite Line has never felt like a strong track at all, it doesn’t sound finish so I’ll give it that, but it doesn’t really work for me, probably the outtake I’ve heard the 2nd least. Atleast the other 3 feel finished, especially Carousel.
 
threepea11 said:
I think For All Time should’ve been slotted over Keep the Faith or She Drives Me Wild. I lean towards the latter more as I feel like CLHGA already fills what SDMW was trying to do, there’s no need for another “filler” (despite the fact CLHGA is not a filler at all lmao). SDMW feels too, idk, same-y. Songs like SE, BOTDF or even a finished version of SGI could’ve gone on the album over SDMW.
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I definitely prefer “For All Time” to those tracks, but I still don’t think it fits the overall album. Dangerous isn’t a romantic or soothing album; it’s intentionally brass, aggressive, and emotional. I don’t think “For All Time” fits thematically or aesthetically.
 
NeoGardiV12 said:
People say this all the time but the thing is, none of them fit the sound Dangerous ended up going for.
Most people like to claim that Dangerous has no standard sound and thus it's all over the place, so it wouldn't really matter, but I disagree... it clearly does have an established sound per side of the record, the first half being pure Teddy Riley stuff and the other half being MJ's normal team (Bruce, Bill, Brad, etc), there's some exceptions on each side (Jam being on the first half or Dangerous being at the end) but there's clearly a pattern.

None of the Bryan Loren tracks would have fit the sound of the album, they sounded dated even for their time, and Teddy's stuff was also dated even back then, so imagine!
As for For All Time, I do think it would have fit nicely in the 2nd half of the record, perhaps in place of something like Gone Too Soon, I would say Heal The World but unfortunately that one has to stay no matter what lol
SPYHO would have also fit nicely in there, but maybe the record would have turned into something more ballad-oriented.
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SPYHO fits Dangerous in my opinion as well as She Got It…..HTW, GTS and KTF could’ve been kept for charity singles
 
threepea11 said:
Nite Line has never felt like a strong track at all, it doesn’t sound finish so I’ll give it that, but it doesn’t really work for me, probably the outtake I’ve heard the 2nd least. Atleast the other 3 feel finished, especially Carousel.
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Nite Line isn’t very strong but I would’ve placed it as a b-side to something like Billie Jean.

Would’ve been released for the clocks but that deal fell through in 1983
 
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