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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

NetflexKing said:
What's the story behind the Larrabee Mix? Does it actually work with the recorded vocals?
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I believed it to be the very first version but Sundberg has a file labelled the day before. That confuses me.

Clay7 said:
Jul 19, 1993 is what the tape says. However, this could be the version with vocals we dont know
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Where's the July date coming from?

Clay7 said:
did he produce the one we have in full HQ as well? Or just cowrite
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He produced, co-wrote and sung it.
 
Korgnex said:
I believed it to be the very first version but Sundberg has a file labelled the day before. That confuses me.
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Dates on cassettes/tapes usually indicate the day of copy/transfer on to storage media. This hasn't necessarily be identical with day of recording.
 
Lowkey, doesn't the Cascio Tracks give off ARG mystery vibes? Like imagine:
"12 never heard before Michael Jackson songs leak onto the internet, but something's off. This doesn't sound like Michael, and we don't know where or when these songs were recorded and if Michael actually recorded them."
 
Fuzball said:
Dates on cassettes/tapes usually indicate the day of copy/transfer on to storage media. This hasn't necessarily be identical with day of recording.
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The question then remains: What does Sundberg's label mean? Day of recording or transfer? Was he present at the recording?
 
Korgnex said:
The question then remains: What does Sundberg's label mean? Day of recording or transfer? Was he present at the recording?
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Comparing several of his other files like for example his Turnin' Me Off transfer, it is labelled "Turnin' Me Off 1-30-89 CASS". Since it's a recording from October 30, 1986, I'm guessing he uses the DAT dates, not the recording dates.
 
Korgnex said:
The question then remains: What does Sundberg's label mean? Day of recording or transfer? Was he present at the recording?
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Pretty much day of transfer. This could be also the day of recording if both happened the on the same day.
 
What's that "Tree of Life" ?
I've seen it being mentioned multiple times but we didn't get any info on that.
 
So Bryan did about 25 max songs for Decade/Dangerous between 89-91. I don't think that includes stuff in 93? So Family Thing/Dream Girl/etc. wouldn't be apart of that. I find it interesting that he would do further songs for Michael when he bitterly walked out of the studio when Teddy took over, even declining to work on Jam to get something to his name. That whole scenario in 91-92 led to Music From the New World failing (with only 1,000 copies released into Japanese bargain bins) and Arista dropping him (which he seemed to imply to me when we talked that he hates the album given the history associated with it). It makes me wonder if he didn't go back to Michael due to limited options. Bryan also reportedly sang backup on Money at Hit Factory according to him, and the vox aren't separated at all from Michael's. Strangely enough, I believe he said there wasn't much of a collaboration after this, BUT to someone else claimed he worked on Invincible (claiming a Dangerous era song he worked on was actually during Invincible despite zero evidence).
 
MissAshley said:
So Bryan did about 25 max songs for Decade/Dangerous between 89-91. I don't think that includes stuff in 93? So Family Thing/Dream Girl/etc. wouldn't be apart of that. I find it interesting that he would do further songs for Michael when he bitterly walked out of the studio when Teddy took over, even declining to work on Jam to get something to his name. That whole scenario in 91-92 led to Music From the New World failing (with only 1,000 copies released into Japanese bargain bins) and Arista dropping him (which he seemed to imply to me he hates the album given the history associated with it). It makes me wonder if he didn't go back to Michael due to limited options. Bryan also reportedly sang backup on Money at Hit Factory according to him, and the vox aren't separated at all from Michael's. Strangely enough, I believe he said there wasn't much of a collaboration after this, BUT to someone else claimed he worked on Invincible (claiming a Dangerous era song he worked on was actually during Invincible despite zero evidence).
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These are the songs Bryan Loren worked on during the Dangerous sessions. Titles marked with * are confirmed to feature vocals / backing vocals from Michael.

Son of Thriller (remix)
Can't Come Back (possibly Loren/MJ)
Work That Body*
"Three Songs In One"
Pretty Face
Bubbles (instrumental)
House Groove (instrumental)
Homeless Bound
To Satisfy You*
Man in Black*
Janet and MJ Duet (possibly)
The Choice (early version of Siegfried & Roy/Mind Is The Magic; instrumental)
Superfly Sister*
She Got It*
Garbage (instrumental)
Don't Believe It*
Seven Digits*
Serious Moonlight (David Bowie-inspired instrumental)
All the Truth* (Loren/MJ)
Call It Off* (Loren/MJ)
Serious Effect*
Pressure
She's Got It Baby
Stay
Verdict (instrumental)

According to one of the members here on MJJC, Loren told them that he wrote a song called "Deep in the Night" for Invincible, but it's pretty much unrelated to the 1990 song - that one was co-written by Skylark, according to Bill Bottrell.
 
ToMi said:
These are the songs Bryan Loren worked on during the Dangerous sessions. Titles marked with * are confirmed to feature vocals / backing vocals from Michael.

Son of Thriller (remix)
Can't Come Back (possibly Loren/MJ)
Work That Body*
"Three Songs In One"
Pretty Face
Bubbles (instrumental)
House Groove (instrumental)
Homeless Bound
To Satisfy You*
Man in Black*
Janet and MJ Duet (possibly)
The Choice (early version of Siegfried & Roy/Mind Is The Magic; instrumental)
Superfly Sister*
She Got It*
Garbage (instrumental)
Don't Believe It*
Seven Digits*
Serious Moonlight (David Bowie-inspired instrumental)
All the Truth* (Loren/MJ)
Call It Off* (Loren/MJ)
Serious Effect*
Pressure
She's Got It Baby
Stay
Verdict (instrumental)

According to one of the members here on MJJC, Loren told them that he wrote a song called "Deep in the Night" for Invincible, but it's pretty much unrelated to the 1990 song - that one was co-written by Skylark, according to Bill Bottrell.
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Super interesting he stuck around at all into Invincible if true. Had no idea Son of Thriller was just a remix, but I never looked into it. To Satisfy You was written for Music From the New World though, and it was almost like a favor based on how he described it. Like, Michael agreed to it because Bryan had done so much work for Dangerous. I believe he also implied Man in Black had a lead scratch vox or something during the Paris seminar that he turned off, but I'm not sure I believe it. I regret not asking more questions when I was helping him promote his singles back in 2018-19.
 
ToMi said:
Son of Thriller
Janet and MJ Duet
The Choice (early version of Siegfried & Roy/Mind Is The Magic; instrumental)
Superfly Sister
Don't Believe It
Seven Digits
All the Truth You Need
Call It Off
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By the way, Michael sings on all of these except the 'Duet'. My favourites are 'Superfly Sister' and 'Call It Off'.

'The Choice' is the final version of 'Mind Is the Magic'. There is no difference.

There are also a few more Loren and Michael demos that aren't publicly known.
 
arisenow said:
By the way, Michael sings on all of these except the 'Duet'. My favourites are 'Superfly Sister' and 'Call It Off'.

'The Choice' is the final version of 'Mind Is the Magic'. There is no difference.

There are also a few more Loren and Michael demos that aren't publicly known.
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Is "Fire" one of them? Or was that just fan hearsay from 20 years ago?
 
arisenow said:
By the way, Michael sings on all of these except the 'Duet'. My favourites are 'Superfly Sister' and 'Call It Off'.

'The Choice' is the final version of 'Mind Is the Magic'. There is no difference.

There are also a few more Loren and Michael demos that aren't publicly known.
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Id give anything for a version of Mind is the Magoc that had a different chorus.

Even if he sang "Meat-feast and Soy".
 
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