The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

As you seem knowledgeable, do we have any information as to who came up with the melodies/lyrics for the MJ/Loren tracks? Was it a case, like with Darkchild, of MJ being presented with beats+a guide vocal and only redoing the lead, or did Loren provide MJ with beats only, leaving MJ to come up with the melodies?

Bryan claimed, in general, Michael would have him play some chords and they would find something he liked so he could just groove to it. This would be exactly the same process as the Give Into Me session mentioned above, which seems to be backed up by the Don't Believe It session tape. However, it doesn't account for when Bryan would just bring tracks in to present to Michael (the proper definition of what a demo tape is). A lot of them are just Bryan throwing shit at the wall in hopes that it would stick. Michael would then add his own ingredients into some of the tracks, like hand claps were the thing Bryan always brought up to people. If you hear hand claps, they were at Michael's behest (the ones in Superfly Sister were recorded in a bathroom for the acoustics I guess?). Most of the demos do not have any input from Michael beyond a vague initial sound to strive for: Verdict is just a repurposed For You which is based on Work. Michael's input here would be close to zero beyond supposedly writing the lyrics for Janet (Bryan claims Michael confessed this).

Tabloid Junkie is a really interesting track because it's the closest he ever got to replicating The Knowledge, which is what drove him into his Rhythm Nation inspired fugue state and why early Dangerous sounds so lame. Michael implied he came up with the melody, but it's unclear to what degree Jam and Lewis would have been responsible for the track's rhythm; it seems likely he talked with them about The Knowledge given the similarities. Bryan clearly was not capable of creating this for him, which makes sense given his weird anachronistic pension for "Off the Wall" and the fact he's admitted he never understood what Rhythm Nation was supposed to be (somehow).

I also just want to point out that Bryan is very often unreliable. He's changed his story about To Satisfy You at least 2-3 times, and I don't know if it's misremembering things or just an ego thing, but he claimed the entire idea of a remix album came from Michael hearing Son of Thriller (just read this recently), which is ridiculous considering he was contractually obligated to make a remix album. He also claimed Bubbles punched him the chest, which really, REALLY upset him, but Michael only laughed at him. People that went to the Paris seminar claim that Bryan only talked about "hanging out" during the Invincible era, so it seems weird he would only mention working on demo tapes for the album later in private.
 
So there’s no official song title? Just the name of the groove? Rob might be saying that’s what it should be titled since it makes the most sense.
This specific instrumental part is titled 'Rock Groove'. This is what Bill says specifically in the session recording. There has never been an alternative title. I like Rob a lot, but he's wrong here. The 'Ain't No Business Is My Due' video is a heavily edited segment of the session. This is not what 'Rock Groove' sounds like in its original form.
 
This specific instrumental part is titled 'Rock Groove'. This is what Bill says specifically in the session recording. There has never been an alternative title. I like Rob a lot, but he's wrong here. The 'Ain't No Business Is My Due' video is a heavily edited segment of the session. This is not what 'Rock Groove' sounds like in its original form.
Won't you upload the entire session tape?
 
This specific instrumental part is titled 'Rock Groove'. This is what Bill says specifically in the session recording. There has never been an alternative title. I like Rob a lot, but he's wrong here. The 'Ain't No Business Is My Due' video is a heavily edited segment of the session. This is not what 'Rock Groove' sounds like in its original form.
Rob wasn’t saying that’s the actual title, he was saying if it was a title, that’s what it would be due to the repetitive line “Ain’t nobodys business”
 
A crazier take: next album will be the most complete MJ outtakes on the same disc as songs that never got full vocals, recorded by Jaafar. Culminating in another Love Never Felt So Good esque duet.
 
I really wish he would be more forthright about this stuff, because fans are gonna take this to mean there are six songs with full vocals, and I’m pretty sure Ne-Yo has said in the past that MJ never recorded anything.
The key word is "written".
So I guess some of the tracks were made with the presence and creativity of Michael
 
I really wish he would be more forthright about this stuff, because fans are gonna take this to mean there are six songs with full vocals, and I’m pretty sure Ne-Yo has said in the past that MJ never recorded anything.
to me he made it clear that he [NeYo] recorded the demos but yeah some fans are going to assume Michael laid vocals
 
I'll believe it when I see it, Ne-Yo's been saying for years now that he's trying to figure out what to do with those songs only for nothing to happen, and then he repeats the same story next time he gets interviewed. I'm dying to hear those songs, Ne-Yo is one of my favorite artists and I'm betting my entire liver that the songs he wrote for Michael are absolute bangers regardless if MJ ended up recording vocals or not. I really do hope they'll see the light of day, and in the state MJ heard those songs. No reworked BS lol
 
I'll believe it when I see it, Ne-Yo's been saying for years now that he's trying to figure out what to do with those songs only for nothing to happen, and then he repeats the same story next time he gets interviewed. I'm dying to hear those songs, Ne-Yo is one of my favorite artists and I'm betting my entire liver that the songs he wrote for Michael are absolute bangers regardless if MJ ended up recording vocals or not. I really do hope they'll see the light of day, and in the state MJ heard those songs. No reworked BS lol
If they're complete then there is no real need to change them.
 
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