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Gaiaschild said:
I've never heard of propofol being found at Neverland, if there had been I'm sure Tom Sneddon would have not let that go. When you remember how Michael was treated, with so many lies, if they had something truthful, they would have gone for it, this is just yet another lie.

He lived in Bahrain in the middle east in recent years, it would have been very difficult to get these drugs there. It is just not true
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My thoughts exactly....Sneddon NEVER would of let something like that go....He was waiting for Michael to spit on the side walk never mind have a drug such as propofol in his house.
 
HemlockDevi said:

How are you "sure" this dangerous drug was "found at Neverland."
This was never found at Neverland in 93 nor 03.
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I'm sorry, English is not my first language. I was trying to say that they didn't found propofol at Neverland but they did find oxygen tanks at the time of the raid. There were pictures of oxygen tanks. I wasn't saying that they found propofol in Neverland, I was saying that maybe it was used there ..
 
It seems to me that there is so much evidence against Murray. I really want to know why he hasn't been arrested yet. Though I wonder how many others were involved, maybe thats why he hasn't been arrested yet as the police need to map everyone who was involved. I wish I didn't feel so much hate towards Murray but I feel such hatred. He better watch his back.
 
HemlockDevi said:
This is all a scam. LA coronors are bought and paid for by Hollywood money. These drugs were planted on the 26th. The media and the police said "heart attack" and "cardiac arrest" and "no evidence of foul play" at first then after the media introduced the nurse and Kline it's been "drugs" and "propofol" ever since.

Look at how they have not(will not) arrest Murray. Compare that to the press conferrence they had to bring jackson in handcuffed!

This is a script written by the media.

Also why doae TMZ a tabloid that varifies nothing get quoted around the world as "the source" for the Jackson "investigation" why are not the police speaking for themselves? Not waiting for the next angle from the media?
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I agree with everything you said. I have been thinking that it was a scam from the beginning. I don't think Murray is ever going to be arrested if it's left up to the LAPD..
 
It is fair to assume that non of those who are talking about propofol found at neverland back in 2003 and sneddon ignoring filing charges related to the drugs which indeed were found there were following the trial back then .

they found drugs in mj's name and frank tyson's name in mj's bedroom .Frank was staying in mj's bedroom , the police issued 104 search warrants which was simply UNHEARD OF , they wanted mj on anything and everything . they seized the drugs and INDEED considered filing charges against mj relating to abusing drugs and aliases .....etc but not propofol . propofol was never found at neverland .

the prosecution had a witness Chris Carter a felon who is convicted now on tens of robbery and armed robbery charges, back then he was not yet caught stealing, he agreed to testify against mj that he saw him giving alcohol to Gavin and star arvizos he was the only witness the prosecution had that was going to say mj was giving children alcohol , he also was going to testify against two high rank employees at neverland the manager and the one who drove the arvizos to joe jackson's home( janet's boyfriend) each time they escaped from neverland , by the way they "escaped form the Devil michael three times and always came back" . Nevertheless , he was going to paint them as enablers who were getting drugs in their names for mj , so the jurors would think of them as tainted people who did everything for money and consider their testimony in the same regard , they were protecting their source of income .

as we knew later the mikey pharmacy sued mj , there were 50 names who got drugs from the pharmacy and mj paid the bills , the names were his and those for his employees at neverland (69 employees) . carter was caught months before the trial began his whole testimony was very tainted and sneddon tried to make a deal with the Las Vegas DA , but his request was turned down by them , he ended up without a witness to all these claims , the pharmacy records although showed neverland employees getting drugs and mj's paying the bills but who to say it was not for their own use , the only one who was going to say it was for mj was chris carter .
 
Why are they taking this long? All those alias names to get drugs from Michael account was not for Michael..Michael had no control of his money, so who was authorizing all these bills?
I have no fate in the LAPD. I said before that they can be bought. The police always plant things on victims.
The LAPD is broke and a few millions will help their department. I can bet they are in league with AEG or Sony or whomever wanted Michael dead..
I do not trust anyone except us fans..
 
parli123 said:
Why are they taking this long? All those alias names to get drugs from Michael account was not for Michael..Michael had no control of his money, so who was authorizing all these bills?
I have no fate in the LAPD. I said before that they can be bought. The police always plant things on victims.
The LAPD is broke and a few millions will help their department. I can bet they are in league with AEG or Sony or whomever wanted Michael dead..
I do not trust anyone except us fans..
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I agree with everything you said here. I had forgotten all about the State of california being broke a few days ago when i first had a glimpse of hope with the Fed's getting involved.

Damn!

You are right. Someone was controling MJ's money and authorizing ish. When they had agreed to take off the original person who had the control of his money and everything elese, The other member of Team MJ took over his books. I believe this was the same person who stole his memorobila and authroized the auction without Michael's complete knowledge and involvement. Tohme but he wasn't the original member of team MJ who knew their way around Michael's Financial's books.
 
HemlockDevi said:
This is all a scam. LA coronors are bought and paid for by Hollywood money. These drugs were planted on the 26th. The media and the police said "heart attack" and "cardiac arrest" and "no evidence of foul play" at first then after the media introduced the nurse and Kline it's been "drugs" and "propofol" ever since.

Look at how they have not(will not) arrest Murray. Compare that to the press conferrence they had to bring jackson in handcuffed!

This is a script written by the media.

Also why doae TMZ a tabloid that varifies nothing get quoted around the world as "the source" for the Jackson "investigation" why are not the police speaking for themselves? Not waiting for the next angle from the media?
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Scripted by the media OR is the media the "brick man", especially TMZ?
 
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illusionist said:
Scripted by the media OR is the media the "brink man", especially TMZ?
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When I watch news especially about Michael Jackson death I can see very clear how they twist things by showing just a part of the story, focusing on not important details or just simply telling half of the truth etc, playing by words. This is all like a little game.TMZ just the same tabloid junkie. It is all about manipulations. Sometimes their “news” look a complete fiction to me. They twist your mind so sometimes I have to think reverse to understand what is really going on. A reverse thinking is not an easy thing to do.
 
they did find stuff at neverland.remember the initial rumoured allegations? he gave me sleeping pills and alcohol? then they realized that could kill a healthy adult, let alone a sick kid w/ one kidney so they scrapped it
 
I should have clarified what "brick man" means in my previous response to HemlockDevi for those who do not know.

Barnum knew the power of mystery. An unemployed man came to his museum and asked Barnum for a job. Barnum handed the man five bricks and instructed him to solemnly place the bricks in various places around the outside of the museum. As he went from spot to spot, he was to replace the brick at each spot with another one that he was carrying. He was to answer no questions, speak to no one, and seem to be deaf and dumb. Once an hour, he was to enter the museum, walk right next to the ticket taker, seem to pay the fee, and then proceed through the museum and out the door. A crowd began to form, watching the man and wondering what he was doing. Many of the crowds followed him into the museum just to see what was going on. In fact, the police had to ask Barnum to stop the man, because the crowds that he was creating were stopping traffic.

http://www.ptbarnum.org/humbugs.html
 
welcome illusionist from the better belivable forum,there needs to be open mindedness on here,not just flat out NOs if you think thats it.the brick man theory is very interesting even more so with TMZ not mentioning him in the famous people who have passed this year.
 
illusionist said:
I should have clarified what "brick man" means in my previous response to HemlockDevi for those who do not know.

Barnum knew the power of mystery. An unemployed man came to his museum and asked Barnum for a job. Barnum handed the man five bricks and instructed him to solemnly place the bricks in various places around the outside of the museum. As he went from spot to spot, he was to replace the brick at each spot with another one that he was carrying. He was to answer no questions, speak to no one, and seem to be deaf and dumb. Once an hour, he was to enter the museum, walk right next to the ticket taker, seem to pay the fee, and then proceed through the museum and out the door. A crowd began to form, watching the man and wondering what he was doing. Many of the crowds followed him into the museum just to see what was going on. In fact, the police had to ask Barnum to stop the man, because the crowds that he was creating were stopping traffic.

http://www.ptbarnum.org/humbugs.html
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Thanks
 
Victoria83 said:
There are MANY questions that need answers.

The timeline is pivotal. When did Michael really die, and what did Murray DO, then? Who did he call?

Who else was in the house?

Murray fled from the hospital. Who picked him up? A taxi? A person? Who?

Why was it first reported that Michael had injected himself with Demerol, and then not said again? According to the (limited) report, no Demerol was found in his system. Is that true?

Why are there conflicting reports about Michael's health? AEG-related people say he was fine, and fans say otherwise.

Why did Tohme show up at the press-conference, when he'd already been fired?

Why did Jermaine introduce Tohme to Michael, in the first-place?

Why did Tohme have such a large amount of Michael's cash on-hand? Did Michael even KNOW about it? Tohme could sign checks. . . . . .

Why are there conflicting reports about WHEN Frank Dileo said he received phone calls about Michael's condition? Was he notified in the morning, or at lunch, as he later said?

It's been reported that Michael called Frank to say he was not feeling well. Why didn't Frank get him to a hospital?

Was/is Frank on the Board of Directors of Sony/ATV? If so, could that not be seen as a conflict of interest, if he was Michael's manager?

Was AEG PAYING Frank? Are they, still?

It's been reported that Michael told Murray he was ill. If true, why did Murray -- his doctor! -- refuse to take him to a hospital?

Who REALLY wanted Murray for Michael's doctor? Michael, or AEG?

And more. . . . .
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Excellent Qs!

I also would like to know:

Who fired all the staff after Mike had gone to hospital? And why?

How long was the house 'open'? (For any possible in- and out-goings)

Where is the CCTV? If there is none then who destroyed it?

Did the bedroom phones work?

What propofol equipment was found in the room? Any signs of damage to the IV etc?

Did anyone check the rubbish / trash?

Why Murray called his office at 9:22am? Who were the other calls to? How did murray not know the address?

Was no adrenaline (epinephrine) found in Mike? If so why not. It is a key drug in cardio resus.

Why was ephedrine found in the tox report? Trish made a link somewhere to the Flomax (tamsulosin) and ephedrine, and that tamsulosin could be to treat urinary side effects of ephedrine. Well just to go further and say the following:

Ephedrine works by stimulating alpha and beta adrenoceptors which are present in different forms and different systems throughout the body, hence it has many effects on the body. One of the places where alpha adrenoceptors are found is in the urinary system (these are alpha-1 adrenoceptors), so it is not uncommon for ephedrine to affect urination. Well, tamsulosin is a specific antagonist (blocker) of alpha-1a adrenoceptors and is commonly used for prostate problems (ie begnign prostatic hyperplasia). This means that tamsulosin, although not specifically licenced for use in medicine for this purpose, would theoretically block the alpha adrenoceptors that ephedrine was stimulating in the urinary system. Hence how long was Mike taking/being given ephedrine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamsulosin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedrine

The coroners should also build a picture of Mike's weight loss in the last six weeks...is there a link to ephedrine? They need to speak to all witnesses especially his trainer and fans who saw him first hand.

What dose of propofol did Mike receive to make his blood levels fatally high?

When and how did Mike meet Murray?

Is there a link between Murray and Tohme?

Yeah, how much money of Mike's does Tohme have?

So many Q's, I have more but can't think right now.....
 
no one knew of the money tohme had yet he came forward and gave it to branca....that says a lot. more than what dileo is doing
 
Victoria83 said:
This is correct, as I understand it. Lists of drugs found at Neverland were online. There was no propofol ever mentioned. If it had been there, I'm sure that info would have been available. I remember that Demerol WAS found at N/L. Michael had back-pain, and he had a prescription. It was not illegal for him to have the drug.

Propofol is not a controlled substance, like narcotics. The possession of propofol was not then, nor now, illegal to my knowledge. The use of it in a home-setting was unthinkable, but I'm sure that now it WILL be re-classified as a controlled substance.

Bahrain is a modern country, and I'm sure that there was availability of the same drugs as can be obtained in the United States.

There are MANY questions that need answers.

The timeline is pivotal. When did Michael really die, and what did Murray DO, then? Who did he call?

Who else was in the house?

Murray fled from the hospital. Who picked him up? A taxi? A person? Who?

Why was it first reported that Michael had injected himself with Demerol, and then not said again? According to the (limited) report, no Demerol was found in his system. Is that true?

Why are there conflicting reports about Michael's health? AEG-related people say he was fine, and fans say otherwise.

Why did Tohme show up at the press-conference, when he'd already been fired?

Why did Jermaine introduce Tohme to Michael, in the first-place?

Why did Tohme have such a large amount of Michael's cash on-hand? Did Michael even KNOW about it? Tohme could sign checks. . . . . .

Why are there conflicting reports about WHEN Frank Dileo said he received phone calls about Michael's condition? Was he notified in the morning, or at lunch, as he later said?

It's been reported that Michael called Frank to say he was not feeling well. Why didn't Frank get him to a hospital?

Was/is Frank on the Board of Directors of Sony/ATV? If so, could that not be seen as a conflict of interest, if he was Michael's manager?

Was AEG PAYING Frank? Are they, still?

It's been reported that Michael told Murray he was ill. If true, why did Murray -- his doctor! -- refuse to take him to a hospital?

Who REALLY wanted Murray for Michael's doctor? Michael, or AEG?

And more. . . . .
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Yeah.....I too wonder about MJ calling Frank DiLeo that night, and why

security outside the house had tripled.
 
rainny said:
Yeah.....I too wonder about MJ calling Frank DiLeo that night, and why

security outside the house had tripled.
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Security outside the house had tripled?

I'm completley on Michael's side and believed it was first degree, BUT

maybe it was trippled because of the fans trying to catch the last glimpse of him or maybe meet him before he left his house for London....we all know we'd totally bombard his house if we knew he was only their for a week...but it's all for love l.o.v.e :)

or maybe its the fans AND the papz...hell yeah they would try to get as much of him as they could before he was to leave the next week.
 
rainny said:
Yeah.....I too wonder about MJ calling Frank DiLeo that night, and why

security outside the house had tripled.
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Do we know for certain the increased security guards witnessed that night were hired for Michael, or were they someone else's security guards, ie someone else visiting the house that night, or someone who needed security and body guards for example a mafia boss or someone else
 
kasume said:
Security outside the house had tripled?

I'm completley on Michael's side and believed it was first degree, BUT

maybe it was trippled because of the fans trying to catch the last glimpse of him or maybe meet him before he left his house for London....we all know we'd totally bombard his house if we knew he was only their for a week...but it's all for love l.o.v.e :)

or maybe its the fans AND the papz...hell yeah they would try to get as much of him as they could before he was to leave the next week.
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If you read the testimonies on the TINI web sight, the fans did speak to Michael prior to that and went to the news with what they were told. I think that is why security was tighter also. They did not want Michael talking to the fans and having it show up in the tabloids.
 
Beachlover said:
If you read the testimonies on the TINI web sight, the fans did speak to Michael prior to that and went to the news with what they were told. I think that is why security was tighter also. They did not want Michael talking to the fans and having it show up in the tabloids.
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well, that's suspicious. why not let the man talk to his own fans???? is there ANY good reason for that?
 
kasume said:
well, that's suspicious. why not let the man talk to his own fans???? is there ANY good reason for that?
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Yes. I said the fans went to the press with what he said to them so they were just looking for gossip.

What Michael Jackson really didn't need was more gossip being spread.

You need to look at this from the other angle. Not just one.
 
You see, you are looking at it from only one side is what I am trying to say. Open your mind to the possiblity that maybe they were trying to keep him out of the tabloids right before he was supposed to do these concerts.

Of course, you may believe what you wish. Its certainly a free country.
 
mjbunny said:
Just in case someone doesn't know... the RTL vid is a complete FAKE. RTL made it themselves in some twisted "experiment" to see how gullible people, particularly MJ fans, are. They wanted to see how quickly it spread around the internet and how many people believed it. There was a big report about it tonight on RTL. Here's a vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEw_u05T740

You don't have to really know German to get the basic idea. Basically they searched around to find an American-style van, put fake LA Coroner stickers on it and a CA license plate. Then they put some makeup and a dark wig on a guy and had him climb out the back. Jerk-offs.
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I still don't understand why RTL or any tv station for that matter would spend the time and money to make a fake video which deliberately decieves people in order to demonstrate how people can be fooled by fake videos. wtf?? So, basically they have assured the fact that in the future, no one will believe anything they release. For what? To do an "experiement"? It makes no sense to me. I have no idea what that video was all about but RTLs explanation is ridiculous to me.
 
Beachlover said:
If you read the testimonies on the TINI web sight, the fans did speak to Michael prior to that and went to the news with what they were told. I think that is why security was tighter also. They did not want Michael talking to the fans and having it show up in the tabloids.
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This makes sense to me. You can still find some video on YouTube of some fans meeting with Michael a few days before he died (of course I just looked for it again and can't find it). It is the video where the paps are asking Michael about Candyland and Chutes and Ladders. Anyway, it is obvious that the person recording the video was doing it secretly and that Michael did not know about it. It looked like it was taken by someone wearing a button camera or something like that. The only people there besides security were his fans, pretty easy to figure that one out...

I remember seeing video of him saying he only wanted to do 50 concerts in London that looks to me like it was taken on the same day by the same person. IT has since been removed from YouTube.

It is despicable that a fan was secretly recording him when he was nice enough to take time out of his exremely busy life to meet with them. Disgusting. He never knew who he could trust. It really is a shame.
 
Beachlover said:
Yes. I said the fans went to the press with what he said to them so they were just looking for gossip.

What Michael Jackson really didn't need was more gossip being spread.

You need to look at this from the other angle. Not just one.
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What exactly did Michael say to his fans that he didn't want them to go to the press and tell???

And fans spreading gossip on Michael, well if they did, SHAME OF THEM!!!
 
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