Thriller 40th Anniversary

Jeez...MJ stans are harder to please than the Star Wars ones. I thought the doc was fine. If they covered every little thing about the album, like breakdowns of every track worked on like ya'll want, this thing would have been like 4 hours long. The average person isn't trying to sit through all of that, so this was a good piece on the impact of the album for the masses. The hardcore fans already have plenty of books, articles and interviews available for every nut and bolt used to make the album
I'm sorry but I get the feedback, the Estate was like "Here already, just take it". The doc is virtually the same with none of the feedback they were "considering" after the screening. Bad 25 had a good running time and covered every song, that's no excuse. I know a lot of Estate projects get feedback maybe in your opinion which might be too much but this is really one project where they barely put any effort. The feedback is justified, in my opinion, this isn't a thing of struggling to please. The footage was great and some of the information was good for the doc, it really was. First, the Estate has to get out of that mindset that things will sell based on the MJ name, which is true but it doesn't mean to do the bare minimum and not put some work into projects. The editing was a mess and they way some segments were placed was a mess. Second, is this a Tiktok doc or a Thriller doc? I might be mistaken but the general public already knows about the numbers MJ does on Tiktok. Cutting footage for Polo G also is crazy enough. And it's not even the fact that he might not be relevant in a couple years, it's the fact that Polo G is on another era aka the Bad album, with Smooth Criminal. He had nothing to do with Thriller? I get showing the mainstream effect but a whole segment on Tiktok and it's stars? Yes, hardcode fans has lots of information on the sessions and etc.. But that doesn't mean they can't go into that?

When doing a documentary for the masses, it's also best to include a bit more of everything of the era. The masses barely know about the sessions or the recording process. I'm not saying include everything from the sessions but include some of it. Also, introduce the people doing backup on the songs and working on the album. I know friends who didn't know the background on the 3 singers neither did they on Greg or Matt. They didn't show Vincent Price which i mean is like cmon? And they showed Bruce like one time during the whole documentary? It's sad cause I know these people have a lot to share and I am sure they did but stuff was cut. How long will collaborators have left to get out these stories and insight into the recording process? I'm glad they featured Anthony Marinelli in this documentary, since his shorts and video about the sessions were amazing online. Is it that hard to make a proper doc? I mean, demo phase of the album, recording process & mixing, submission, promotion & making short films and the aftermath/mainstream effect? I'm not even going to get into the whole titles and credits errors lol. If you are a casual, maybe it works for you. If you are looking to the unseen footage, this is most likely for you. But it's just the whole representing it.... I think the Estate's target is most likely the younger generation but then again you have to throw something in for the hardcore community. Make it balanced. I'm also sure there are young musicians (maybe in little numbers? but) who look up to MJ and love the albums. They might want to learn a bit more about the process. It isn't about half-assing or doing the bare minimum, at the end of the day, this is the Michael Jackson legacy we are talking about.

Side projects and musicals are good but they also have to focus on the albums as well & give it proper care..
 
I didn't realize this 'til later, but there are two important parts of the Thriller saga that weren't mentioned at all:

1.) The original, terrible mix of the album that caused Michael to panic and almost not release the album at all. Quincy calmed him down, and they re-mixed one song a day until they got the final product.

2.) The Jehovah Witness' pressuring Michael due to the Thriller short film. Branca has mentioned in the past that MJ wanted him to burn the negatives before convincing him to put the disclaimer at the start of the video. It's ironic he didn't tell that story for this doc.

Both would have been dramatic angles for the final product. Even the trailers could have put in some dramatic line about "the album/video almost never saw the light of day". It's just odd that those stories were not included.
 
I didn't realize this 'til later, but there are two important parts of the Thriller saga that weren't mentioned at all:

1.) The original, terrible mix of the album that caused Michael to panic and almost not release the album at all. Quincy calmed him down, and they re-mixed one song a day until they got the final product.

2.) The Jehovah Witness' pressuring Michael due to the Thriller short film. Branca has mentioned in the past that MJ wanted him to burn the negatives before convincing him to put the disclaimer at the start of the video. It's ironic he didn't tell that story for this doc.

Both would have been dramatic angles for the final product. Even the trailers could have put in some dramatic line about "the album/video almost never saw the light of day". It's just odd that those stories were not included.
Removing all the unnecessary talking heads. Tiktok and BTS stuff would have probably made room for stuff like this.
 
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I think Quincy said his daughters gave him an intervention a few years ago about all the stuff he was saying and that he was sorry.

I still think it could be a risk for the estate to invite him back and then having him say a bunch of negative stuff, though
 
1.) The original, terrible mix of the album that caused Michael to panic and almost not release the album at all. Quincy calmed him down, and they re-mixed one song a day until they got the final product.
This is a good point.
 
1.) The original, terrible mix of the album that caused Michael to panic and almost not release the album at all. Quincy calmed him down, and they re-mixed one song a day until they got the final product.
Is this true?
 
The original, terrible mix of the album that caused Michael to panic and almost not release the album at all. Quincy calmed him down, and they re-mixed one song a day until they got the final product.
Just to avoid any misunderstandings, the mixing itself didn't cause any sound problems. Actually, the original mix was as great as the final mix.

The shitty sound occured after the mastering for the LP. They simply had too much playtime on each side of the refrence acetate.
 
Just to avoid any misunderstandings, the mixing itself didn't cause any sound problems. Actually, the original mix was as great as the final mix.

The shitty sound occured after the mastering for the LP. They simply had too much playtime on each side of the refrence acetate.
Why did bruce spend time re mixing if the mix was fine? (genuine question)
 
The thriller40 documentary should have been 120 minutes long, just like the bad25 video material, there is enough material from the making of Thriller beat it billie jean and the studio session was saved, again disappointing
 
You're just gonna start bashing it anyway lol.
I called it. Was this the most revolutionary thing ever? Of course not. MJs still dead, so well be unhappy anyway.

Was it actively garbage like some people are starting to insist? Again, not really. All that matters is if it's got optics on it, and, guess what, it does. If it gets us any new MJ fans that's huge. Probably not though, that's the biopics job.
 
I kinda wanna run an experiment to see what people would enjoy more, Sonic Fantasy, or Thriller 40.

But I don't wanna pit two things celebrating Michael against each other. We should be glad for variety if anything.
 
I kinda wanna run an experiment to see what people would enjoy more, Sonic Fantasy, or Thriller 40.

But I don't wanna pit two things celebrating Michael against each other. We should be glad for variety if anything.
Sonic Fantasy was more technical. Thriller 40 was more artsy. Depends what you prefer. Combine both and I think everyone would be happy.
 
So...Um...It was good. M gets a bit rawry lol
i loved the ...nah ain't telling ya. LOL
 
I kinda wanna run an experiment to see what people would enjoy more, Sonic Fantasy, or Thriller 40.

But I don't wanna pit two things celebrating Michael against each other. We should be glad for variety if anything.
Thriller 40, no question.

Sonic Fantasy is for the hardcore fans who thrive on anecdotes and stories. The general public wouldn’t be as interested methinks.
 
Thriller 40, no question.

Sonic Fantasy is for the hardcore fans who thrive on anecdotes and stories. The general public wouldn’t be as interested methinks.
Why do we always have to mention the general public? I'm so sick of hearing that. A fan is a fan. U can always introduce them to new things but by now....I'd love to know the definition of "general" public because it makes no since to keep repeating that. Thats mainly an excuse "the mj community" gives for the estate when they waste our time. Why include where mj started on EVERY DOCUMENTARY!! "It all started in that small house in Gary IN. 9 kids in a 2bedroom house. Father jo was a steel mill worker who wanted the best for his kids. If I hear that story 1more time!! There's no excuse as to why or how bad had 2hrs & more tracks but wouldn't even discuss demos, people who actually were there, people who worked on the album, the process, more than 2-3 sec/30-1min clips for thriller....I just wanna say...there is no general public. You have fans & non fans. Simple.
 
Why do we always have to mention the general public? I'm so sick of hearing that. A fan is a fan. U can always introduce them to new things but by now....I'd love to know the definition of "general" public because it makes no since to keep repeating that. Thats mainly an excuse "the mj community" gives for the estate when they waste our time. Why include where mj started on EVERY DOCUMENTARY!! "It all started in that small house in Gary IN. 9 kids in a 2bedroom house. Father jo was a steel mill worker who wanted the best for his kids. If I hear that story 1more time!! There's no excuse as to why or how bad had 2hrs & more tracks but wouldn't even discuss demos, people who actually were there, people who worked on the album, the process, more than 2-3 sec/30-1min clips for thriller....I just wanna say...there is no general public. You have fans & non fans. Simple.
Objectively, there’s a difference between those of us on this forum and people who have a casual interest in MJ. The latter are the “general public.”
 
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