He strikes me as a typical performing artist as in, being shy / introverted / withdrawn offstage but very extrovert and confident onstage. I'm generalising madly, of course. I don't really like to analyse people I never met and I don't have any analytical training anyway. I think what I'm trying to say is, there is no conflict, imo, between being shy or an introvert and being able to perform onstage in front of 80,000 people.
I completely agree. I don't have any analytical training either by the way,that being said overthinking is my favorite hobbie though
This is the answer.
As a hugely introverted person myself I have to react to this. For me it is hugely conflicting. In my other post I tried to get into Michael's head and find an explanation for why he is extroverted on stage, it is just a theory.
Yea I also agree with you
Then I must be more than just introverted, like also mortally shy lol
Your first post totally nailed it, f&m. I don't know how performing artists are able to do the thing they do, be shy or introvert but also get up and perform in front of people. But so many of them say exactly that in interviews. And I don't think they are saying it to be fashionable. It's been coming up in interviews all my life. I know bc I find it fascinating.
Google say that he became an introvert. And I can understand why, I mean he did have a rough childhood (childhood, I love that song) and he was scared of a lot of things. But when he was on stage he was not because the music drives him to be like that. (idk if I said that well) But in conclusion, Michael was an introvert.
It is. I don't think I've met anyone who likes public speaking. Many people are able to work out a way to deal with it and even become good at it. But most people loathe even the very idea. There must be people who enjoy it, I've just never met one.
I like to speak publicly. Especially when it's about Michael Jackson
That's the thing. He knew what he can do as a performer. He knew his worth. Also he rehearsed. So he had his program to which he would stick to. When he stopped and needed to talk, you could easily see how he somewhat was embarrased and kept it short. If he had doubt in his abilities as a performer, I'm sure he would have had a hard time getting up on that stage. And in a way, I feel that also somewhat happened in the lead up to This is it. Though he did seem confident for the most part.
Most performers keep the public talking short and stick to playing music/singing. There are only few musicians, who really talk much during their shows.
True.
No, I meant public speaking as in, having to give a presentation at work or something like that. I think that's what @Agonum was meaning. I know people who can force themselves to do it, just don't know anyone who likes it.
Oh I remember folks in class clearly anticipating speaking in front of class while I was awaiting my turn with a lump in my throat and a knot in my stomach. I couldn't even rehearse without getting nervous. I remember how in my head I usually had most of it worked out but once out there nothing of what was in my head came out of my mouth. To this day I don't know how I survived school lol
I can relate and unfortunately much more
Sometimes public speaking can be intimidating.
Yeah. But speaking on stage between songs also is public speaking. And most rather stick to do the songs, say the name of the song and say hello and good bye and don't say much else. Then there are some, who are more comfortable and also tell stories and background information in between. But most don't.
I'd have to disagree with that. The vast majority of bands I've seen play live were fine talking to their audience. Yeah, there are some who really don't like it or just don't want to do it. I've seen singers practically hiding behind their mike stand. But the majority were relaxed and comfortable doing it. I don't consider talking to an audience 'public speaking' in the sense I was talking about. I meant giving a presentation at work or at school or something horrible like that. Talking to an audience if you are a performing artist, that's just part of the performance. Maybe that's why most of my bands were OK with it. If you're the lead singer in a band you would usually have developed some pretty decent communication skills. There will always be an exception to the rule - Elizabeth Fraser from Cocteau Twins comes to mind - but this isn't something I've seen a lot of.
Apparently it is possible.
I've been to over 600 concerts in my life. And at most of them, other than announcing a song here and there, they don't really talk.
I am not saying that this test is more reliable than any other personality test related to psychology out there.
ISFP is a pretty quiet type that probably prefers to observe people instead of engaging conversations. Private about their own feelings, but passionate about the things they value. They are pretty practical, not really enjoying certain discussions other people would enjoy. These are probably exhausting and a waste of time for them.
I agree
What also comes into play are probably the Enneagram types 3 and 4.So I guess we have to agree to disagree on this. In my adult life I went to in excess of 3,000 gigs and that's not counting the ones I went to as a teenager. And that's just the shows I went to. That's not the number of bands I saw since every gig had at least two, and often three, bands on the bill. The vast majority of bands that I saw, I didn't see significant levels of discomfort in engaging with the audience. Maybe now and again with a band right at the start of their career but, otherwise, no.
That's a pretty good summation, imo, of being an introvert. It's not that you can't do certain things. It's more, there are certain things you HAVE to get done and you have to learn how to navigate your way around challenging situations. Michael had so many years of training to fall back on. I think that's where a lot of his skill in dealing with this comes from.
I've never been able to figure out how the Myers-Briggs and the Enneagram thing sit alongside each other. I haven't read anything on either of them for years but I remember getting confused by that.I agree
