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Janet Jackson's new single Feedback bombs
http://www.mirror.co.uk/showbiz/3am/2008/0...89520-20290295/
I have long said that I believe MJ can make a comeback … a strong comeback. I've said that I think it just takes a great song/video/performance to "bring MJ back" to prominence on the pop charts and in the pop culture world.
But am I deluding myself? I am just exercising "wishful thinking"?
This is something I think we all have to ask ourselves.
This leads to the question of is MJ really over? When I say "over" I'm strictly talking in the commercial and mass cultural sense. I am not talking in the sense of being "artistically" or "creatively" over. I think MJ can still make great work. But the question is: will many people care?
The media and haters say MJ is over but we don't seem to agree. Who's right? How will we know who's right?
Janet Jackson's last 3 CDs have been flops. I know some will say "well sales are down for everyone" but when I say "flop" I mean it in way that compares her sales to other "Big" artists who released music in and around the same time. So saying "overall sales are down" doesn't really cut it. Janet’s sale comparing with other pop artist is down.
"Feedback" has bombed and this does not bode well for the album "Discipline".
Both MJ and JJ suffer from "ageism" and "Jacksonism". There are a lot of people who want them to fail. There are a lot of people in the music business who will not lift a finger to help them succeed.
So my question is: What would you have to see for you to be convinced that they are “over” as commercial forces?
I think looking at album and ticket sales would be the natural thing to do.
I really don't have high hopes anymore for the sales of Janet's or Michael's new projects. I think "Discipline" will probably sell about 400K in the USA and Thriller 25 might do 500K. MJ's new album (if he ever releases a new NEW album) might sell about 1 million (and that's if it is really extraordinary).
Those are going to be some hard numbers for us die-hard fans to swallow but I think, if that happens, we will have to accept the fact that The Jacksons are over as significant commercial and mass culture forces.
I don't know what you guys would think of those numbers but that would be my conclusion. If you have different numbers, please post them and explain why you thing those numbers would signify the end of the Jacksons.
MJ is about to turn 50. There aren't any "comeback" chances left if you consider a "comeback" being reclaiming a dominant position on the charts. So I really believe this is it - it is time to put up of shut up. I can't imagine this new album flopping and MJ "coming back" strong commercially at 55 or 60!
It's too bad really. I believe MJ had a chance to be the greatest of all time. It would have been great for me to see because I've been a fan of his since he and I were kids. But I think it's lost now. The allegations and other controversy have really sunk MJ and poor Janet has been an innocent casualty of war.
I know all pop acts eventually fade. With or without the allegations, MJ was going to have a hard time being relevant to mass culture at 55 or 60 or 70. But I think he could have easily kept his run going up to now if it were not for the allegations.
The allegations have given the media and the haters the rope to finally hang and finish off the Jacksons.
And this sucks because for the rest of my life I'm now going to have to hear about how “Elvis was the greatest” or “The Beatles were the greatest” or even how “Madonna was the greatest” and how MJ was "pretty good" but a weirdo and a pedophile that lost his career after being accused of child molestation. Who knows, maybe 10 years from now I might be hearing how MJ was good but the real “King of Pop” was to come after him in the form of Justin Timberlake. Don’t think for a second that that’s not possible.
I know its MJ's life, his career and his business but it is just sad to see.
I hope the sleepovers were worth it Michael Jackson.
Janet Jackson's new single Feedback bombs
http://www.mirror.co.uk/showbiz/3am/2008/0...89520-20290295/
I have long said that I believe MJ can make a comeback … a strong comeback. I've said that I think it just takes a great song/video/performance to "bring MJ back" to prominence on the pop charts and in the pop culture world.
But am I deluding myself? I am just exercising "wishful thinking"?
This is something I think we all have to ask ourselves.
What would prove to you that MJ is over as a significant popular-culture artist?
Anytime one discusses an issue in a bubble (like we do here with MJ) one can get a skewed perspective on things. Groupthink sets in and one can begin to see things as one WANTS them to be as opposed to what they are really like.This leads to the question of is MJ really over? When I say "over" I'm strictly talking in the commercial and mass cultural sense. I am not talking in the sense of being "artistically" or "creatively" over. I think MJ can still make great work. But the question is: will many people care?
The media and haters say MJ is over but we don't seem to agree. Who's right? How will we know who's right?
Janet Jackson's last 3 CDs have been flops. I know some will say "well sales are down for everyone" but when I say "flop" I mean it in way that compares her sales to other "Big" artists who released music in and around the same time. So saying "overall sales are down" doesn't really cut it. Janet’s sale comparing with other pop artist is down.
"Feedback" has bombed and this does not bode well for the album "Discipline".
Both MJ and JJ suffer from "ageism" and "Jacksonism". There are a lot of people who want them to fail. There are a lot of people in the music business who will not lift a finger to help them succeed.
So my question is: What would you have to see for you to be convinced that they are “over” as commercial forces?
I think looking at album and ticket sales would be the natural thing to do.
I really don't have high hopes anymore for the sales of Janet's or Michael's new projects. I think "Discipline" will probably sell about 400K in the USA and Thriller 25 might do 500K. MJ's new album (if he ever releases a new NEW album) might sell about 1 million (and that's if it is really extraordinary).
Those are going to be some hard numbers for us die-hard fans to swallow but I think, if that happens, we will have to accept the fact that The Jacksons are over as significant commercial and mass culture forces.
I don't know what you guys would think of those numbers but that would be my conclusion. If you have different numbers, please post them and explain why you thing those numbers would signify the end of the Jacksons.
MJ is about to turn 50. There aren't any "comeback" chances left if you consider a "comeback" being reclaiming a dominant position on the charts. So I really believe this is it - it is time to put up of shut up. I can't imagine this new album flopping and MJ "coming back" strong commercially at 55 or 60!
It's too bad really. I believe MJ had a chance to be the greatest of all time. It would have been great for me to see because I've been a fan of his since he and I were kids. But I think it's lost now. The allegations and other controversy have really sunk MJ and poor Janet has been an innocent casualty of war.
I know all pop acts eventually fade. With or without the allegations, MJ was going to have a hard time being relevant to mass culture at 55 or 60 or 70. But I think he could have easily kept his run going up to now if it were not for the allegations.
The allegations have given the media and the haters the rope to finally hang and finish off the Jacksons.
And this sucks because for the rest of my life I'm now going to have to hear about how “Elvis was the greatest” or “The Beatles were the greatest” or even how “Madonna was the greatest” and how MJ was "pretty good" but a weirdo and a pedophile that lost his career after being accused of child molestation. Who knows, maybe 10 years from now I might be hearing how MJ was good but the real “King of Pop” was to come after him in the form of Justin Timberlake. Don’t think for a second that that’s not possible.
I know its MJ's life, his career and his business but it is just sad to see.
I hope the sleepovers were worth it Michael Jackson.