No, those 2 are the packages I was referring to-I didn't know if the separate sales for Wembley were included in those sales totals.I think for the 3cd/dvd boxset and the 2 cd set. I understood is as the goal for the album/music sales.
what other formats did they have? I think both the documentary and the wembley concert was standalone releases.
Ironically, Bad sold ~130,000 copies last year without any kind of promotion or anniversary or any effort that Sony had to put into it. But this is probably mainly the original album, not Bad 25. Maybe this is another thing that confirms in Sony that it's not worth putting any effort in anniversary releases when the original album sells better (relatively speaking) without any effort and any cost. It seems the general public is still very much interested in Michael Jackson (his catalog album sales were pretty good last year), only they are interested in the original albums, not the additional stuff (ie. demos, remixes).
I don't see then how this OTW release serves that purpose, unless the documentary will be such a big hit with the general public that they would be willing to give out $20+ for this set, instead of just buying a single OTW album for $6-$9, in case they get interested in the album.
Or they should start a collector's label for hard core fans, like it was suggested once in a thread here.
Ironically, Bad sold ~130,000 copies last year without any kind of promotion or anniversary or any effort that Sony had to put into it. But this is probably mainly the original album, not Bad 25. Maybe this is another thing that confirms in Sony that it's not worth putting any effort in anniversary releases when the original album sells better (relatively speaking) without any effort and any cost. It seems the general public is still very much interested in Michael Jackson (his catalog album sales were pretty good last year), only they are interested in the original albums, not the additional stuff (ie. demos, remixes).
I honestly think in today's climate.
if Michael didn't record extra material as he did in his subsequent albums.
I can't keep track. Are we mad because the Off The Wall disc wont have new stuff?
What climate? Adele sold 14 million albums in less than a month and a half. I think that even Thriller didn't manage to do that, or Bad or Dangerous or any other album ever. So it is possible. Of course not for MJ anymore because he doesn't have media backup and well paid critics and airplay like her. But it is possible.
I honestly think in today's climate, 200k for such a niche release with little promo was a huge stretch.
Also to expect a catalog album re-issue to compete in sales with the biggest selling album of the current era (otherwise I don't know why you brought up Adele) is very unrealistic. This was Dam's full sentence:
I honestly think in today's climate, 200k for such a niche release with little promo was a huge stretch.
So how do you want to put that up to the same standards sales wise as a major, hyped, NEW release by the most popular current artist? If some fans have really such unrealistic expectations for these projects then no wonder they are always left disappointed.
He did. That's not even the question here. The question here is why not release that material now and why Alicia from MJEstate Online Team lied to us in the statement. Some of us (including me) believe it's Quincy Jones and the Jackson family's fault and some believe it's Estate's fault for whatever reason. Probably to save that material for posthumous studio releases. But that scenario does not explain lack of demos of already released songs.
Hahaha. You misunderstood me completely. I said if she can sell 14 million copies in less than a month and a half then that MJ can manage to sell 200k in US without it being "a huge stretch". And I say that the "today's climate" is not bad at all if you have right product. And of course good marketing and promotion. Also having paid critics and media propaganda and radio airplay like her & Taylor doesn't hurt.
From a strictly commercial POV: if they had included demos they should have added one more CD
First of all you are comparing worldwide sales to US sales (14 million sold of 25 is worldwide not US sales - in the US she sold 7.6 million so far).
Not necessarily. Off The Wall is only 42:28 minutes long. That leaves you with 37:32 minutes of free space. That is enough for 8 demos (or remixes) for sure.
I know. That's what I wrote. I really don't care about US sales only. I don't think it's important. For me worldwide sales is what matters the most. But they were talking about Bad 25 US sales goal so that's why I wrote 200k for Bad 25. But my point is that the "climate" is not bad at all. US or worldwide.
When major artists struggle to go gold it is a bad climate, trust.
When the most popular current band sells 500,000 of their latest NEW album then how do you realistically expect Bad25 sell 200,000 copies? Only hard core fans are interested in demos. The general public will not give out more money for MJ demos. They will simply buy the original Bad album for much less money, as it happens apparently.
^^Also to add. I'm not comparing anything! I just said that Bad 25 could have sold more if the content (mainly VHS) was better and than 200,000 copies sold in US is not or should not be seen as "stretch" at all. And my point is still that the "climate" is not bad at all for MJ, Bieber, Adele, Coldplay, Taylor, Chris Brown, The Weekend or any other artist if you have good product to sell and good marketing and promotion strategy (propaganda like Adele & Taylor).
Bad climate or bad product? It's easy to blame it on the climate.
I'm not talking just about the demos. They could have put those 6 demos + 6 contemporizations by Timbaland for example on CD 2 instead of those remixes no one was really interested in. Also they could have released DVD or blu-ray in 2012 instead of VHS! And a bad one.
Please be aware, tygger has now been perminantely excluded from MJJC.
I think for next release they should get Ronson involved with it. What you think of it?
Although I think it was a little harsh if someone got banned for going off topic, but yes, we went out of topic. The topic of this thread is Spike Lee's Off The Wall Documentary and its accompanying CD re-release. So let's get back on the topic. If that was the problem here, Gaz?
But yes, I would like to see Ronson on the next MJ release doing some unfinished songs.