CherubimII
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This is so ridiculous.
I've decided not to follow this crap.
I've decided not to follow this crap.
Thank you! Ah yes, I heard about 'discovery' before as a legal term, didn't realize this was what she meant! I was afraid they found a new accuser or something..I don't have any legal training so I only have a very basic understanding of discovery. It's when each side in an upcoming court case has to provide the other side with their evidence. Each side can ask to see various documents, lists of witnesses that might be called etc. Afaik, a deposition is part of the discovery process so when Michael had to do the Mexico depo, that was part of the discovery process.
I don't know if every piece of evidence has to be submitted in discovery. I have no idea how it works. Hopefully someone with some proper legal understanding will be along shortly to shed some light on this. But the discovery process, I think, is part of how a legal team prepares for cross-examination, for example.
hth. Apologies if you already know all of this.
As for 'Wade's discovery'. I have no idea what that could be or if it will help the estate's case.
Thank you! Ah yes, I heard about 'discovery' before as a legal term, didn't realize this was what she meant! I was afraid they found a new accuser or something..
I, like everybody else here, am so tired of this. The countless discussions I have to face when I drop his name somewhere are just exhausting, because many people just don't wanna see him as innocent. No matter how many documentaries or articles are being made dismantling the lies of the accusations, people keep on pushing the narrative that he was a pedophile and it's just too much for me. What on earth does it take to clean his name once and for all? A statement by Jordan Chandler and Gavin Arvizo? Possibly, but I also understand why they don't wanna face the media storm which will undoubtedly come down on them. We can only have so many discussions and arguments, when does this finally stop?
oh god, I'd forgotten all of this.It was during the phase of discovery in the civil cases that Robson was actively hiding evidence from the courts and even from his lawyer. He claimed he did not have an emails containing information about the alleged abuse, but he had 1000s of them, he researched old allegations against MJ on the internet and emailed them to himself etc. He emailed his mother asked about a particular story about himself and MJ in a newspaper and asked his mom: "Is it true" and his mother replied: "no, none of that is true". But Robson still included that tabloid article in his sworn deposition as true even though he knew it was all BS. [...]
That's a sane and sensible decision, imo.This is so ridiculous.
I've decided not to follow this crap.
That's always been my understanding. I mean, there's this:So the basis of this trial would be, "we assume MJ was guilty" and the trial is to see if his companys were liable for allowing or assisting in the abuse, and therefore should pay a monetary fine to the alleged victims?
Yeah ..sick n scared more like.Again, I knew this was going to happen. It was only a matter of time. The amount of chances that these guys have had to continue pushing this stinking muck heap of a case through the public eye and court again and again has been astounding. I would have only been surprised to see an announcement that this was over. So pfft. But anyway, these people make me sick.
We should petition because this is too much.No fan base has EVER had to put up with this . Right?If people believe these phuckers after all this & etc.... they're damm fools as well. This ish is getting old. I don't understand wtf it is they want from Michael. The man is gone!
This is so ridiculous.
I've decided not to follow this crap.
This is true. Yesterday I saw a display of books with all the famous artists at the window of the library; everyone was present except MJ..He is loosing fans . We are tired and we are weak! some of us are as old as you ...or are the new blood gonna fight it? .is that the plan for M's legacy hmm?.this is ...come on John. Please. Be that lawyer.
Exactly and he, our lawyer... john n eeds to do something and quickThis is true. Yesterday I saw a display of books with all the famous artists at the window of the library; everyone was present except MJ..
"TMZ report explained: Normally, the tentative ruling is sent to the attorneys a day or two before it is made public. More than likely Finaldi leaked to TMZ. Tentative rulings can be changed. Oral arguments will take place on July 26. Estate will argue why this ruling is wrong. Final ruling will come out later. A few weeks to a month probably. If the final ruling is the same as the tentative, more than likely the Estate will appeal to the Supreme Court. SC only hears 5% of the cases submitted, so it's a long shot.If SC hears the case, and rules for the Estate, it's over. Wade loses. If the SC rules for Wade, it goes back to the lower court for trial.If the SC refuses to hear the case, the case will go back to the lower court for trial. If the case goes to trial, we're looking at some serious time before it happens. Possibly some time next year."So I guess more years of BS? Do we know when this even starts? What a collosal waste of time and money, unbelievable.
This.What on earth does it take to clean his name once and for all? A statement by Jordan Chandler and Gavin Arvizo? Possibly, but I also understand why they don't wanna face the media storm which will undoubtedly come down on them. We can only have so many discussions and arguments, when does this finally stop?
I don't get this reaction. This isn't a new allegation. It's the same old BS from Wade. Mind you Wade's lawsuit was thrown out last year but yet this has been permitted to go to trial for some reason now.He is loosing fans . We are tired and we are weak! some of us are as old as you ...or are the new blood gonna fight it? .is that the plan for M's legacy hmm?.this is ...come on John. Please. Be that lawyer.
I fought in my teens, i fought in my late twenties. I felt tremendous pain in my late thirty's.... I fought in my early forties.. . and you want me to do it again .
Not talking just about me but on behalf of the people ...Talkin of the timeline we all felt-who have been there since this started in 1993.
You must do something or else you will get me questioning your motives too.
New blood- new energy. -new case.
Sorry John has to be said.
I don't get this reaction. This isn't a new allegation. It's the same old BS from Wade. Mind you Wade's lawsuit was thrown out last year but yet this has been permitted to go to trial for some reason now.
Wade is a psycho who will stop at nothing to destroy MJ.
I'm a long time fan too and I find this whole thing to be ridiculous. It should never be allowed to go to trial.
Yes. The LA court rejected the case but the California Court of Appeal has made a tentative ruling that WR can take his case to trial. Looks like nothing will happen for months but apparently a tentative ruling almost always becomes final. Everyone seems to agree on that. So there will be a trial.Yeah that's the thing, wtf changed? Did some new judge come in and made a different decision?
Yes. The LA court rejected the case but the California Court of Appeal has made a tentative ruling that WR can take his case to trial. Looks like nothing will happen for months but apparently a tentative ruling almost always becomes final. Everyone seems to agree on that. So there will be a trial.
I have no idea. I have no legal training. Never in my life have I wanted to be a lawyer more than I have these past few years with all this WR / JS stuff. I used to read all those MJ justice blogs endlessly and they were all brilliant but I'm not gonna pretend I understood every single thing I was reading. I went over that stuff mulitiple times but I didn't have complete understanding. This is complicated stuff. I will never understand how they have been allowed to make that many appeals. I do NOT understand how the perjury thing just seems to disappear, like it doesn't matter.Then I can't wait for them to throw it out again. Or doesn't it work like that?
I can't remember, tbh. I gave myself a break from all of this 2 years ago and I've forgotten so much of the detail.This has been on trial before, hasn't it?
That smiley sure perplexed me! Thanks for the explanation.First off, I used a 'smiley' bc that was me saying to you, 'hope I'm not telling you stuff you already know'. I was not using a smiley bc I'm happy about this WR trial thing. Just looked at my post and realised how insane it looks so I needed to explain myself. I have a rubbish headache today, I'm feeling a bit bonkers. […]
I will fight for MJ’s innocence, because he is. (I’m 13 btw and hopefully people will listen to me and not just think I’m a crazy girl who loves MJ too much)or are the new blood gonna fight it?