Debbie Rowe Wants Michael Jackson's Kids Back -- Going To Court for Custody

This whole thing is just a sad publicity stunt orchestrated by a lunatic.

Translation: Those kids pay our bills. so we, the jacksons, will hang on to them for as long as possible.

As you can see both sides are competing to be the kids best friends. after all the kids hold all the cash.

seriously, between the jacksons and debbie, I don't know who is the worst? you be the judge.

This whole thing came out of nowhere and out of nothing, which made me think the timing of this custody thingy.
What if this was orchestrated to distract attention away from the new release from the estate?
We know from past actions from Jackson that there haven't been any releases that family has not been trying to sabotage it one way or the other, what if this is one of them? Them to get Debbie to do something like this could be possible, given that she likes KJ and wonder how much would she do for her. She testified for her in the trial, so there is a possibility.

The attention of the new album in the media have most certainly shifted from music to custody battle:no:
 
I don't believe she is going for custody at all, she doesn't want them and she knows she has zero chance of getting them. I'm betting this "source" is Marc Schaffel, right after MJ died, he ran to the tabs with this exact same story, and of course Debbie had no intention of getting custody of them then, but she was fine with him running around saying so. Recently I noticed Marc hadn't been hanging around Debbie for awhile, so I thought she finally kicked him to the curb, but then a few weeks ago that engagement story came out, and I just knew they were up to something, and obviously they are, don't know what, but they are after something.


Giving her the benefit of the doubt is something I learned cannot be applied to Debbke Rowe. This is definitely her doing this, but shes doing it because Marc Schaffel is now in her ear, working out his extortion scheme for the children.


And say what you want about the Jacksons, but I think it's the 3T guy who's the legal guardian along with Katherine who has the most contact with the kids, not the brothers. And other than Paris, Prince and Blanket seem to be doing fine under that arrangement. This is so clearly a Schaffel induced stunt by Debbie that it sickens me. She's beginning to sicken me, does she honestly believe those two want to be away from their little brother? Prince has already said he wants nothing to do with Debbie, so this shows that she doesn't give a damn about what the kids want or whats best for them. She can't think separating him from his two older siblings whom he's lived with all his life will prove to be condusive to Blanket. And being under the same roof as Marc Schaffel period, is not something Michael would have wanted for his children. Let alone as a step father. Debbie has got some nerve, she needs to stop being such a damn fool and realize Schaffel doesn't love her but is simply using her to get closer to Michael's children. Better yet, I don't care what she does, her and Schaffel can run off into the sunset together, get exposed to the sunburn and all that with they pastey ass for all I ****ing care, just leave Michael's children alone and together.


Debbie, if you're reading this, which you most likely aren't. But if theres the slightest chance you come across this. You're a sad excuse for a mother and an even sadder excuse for attempting to separate Michael's children from each other, knowing that most likely, neither of them are ready for that yet.


And its so obvious whats going on and whose behind this. Saying the Jacksons told Debbie to do this to "sabotage the album", doesn't even seem logical to me. And while we didn't know at the time, history proved that when the Jacksons spoke against the first Estate project, they were 100% correct in their complaints. Debbie is a strong woman, The Jacksons can't make Debbie do anything. But some asshole whose come along with whose sweet talking her and teasing her with marriage can clearly make her do the damnest things.
 
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Where was this concern for the kids when Michaeldied? Where was this concern for thekids when Katherine signed them to Howard Mann? Where was this concern for the kids when their grandmother waskidnapped? Where was this concern forthe kids when Paris tried to kill herself? You know what I suspect is going on? I think someone has not talked to Parisin a while and is acting out because of it

Oh come on now! She was right there when Michael died and even delayed KJ guardianship arrangement until she was happy with arrangement, and got KJ to agree that kids will see psychologist to help them to adjust their dads passing, and to keep Joe out of their lives. I don't know what she thought of HM contract, but during granny-napping, she did go to stay in Calabasas (MS lives there) and monitored situation there. She was there when Paris tried to kill herself. It just make me wonder what has happened that what has happened previously didn't make her to seek guardianship, but now she does?

It doesn't make any sense at all, unless there is something else behind the whole thingy.
 
And its so obvious whats going on and whose behind this. Saying the Jacksons told Debbie to do this to "sabotage the album", doesn't even seem logical to me. And while we didn't know at the time, history proved that when the Jacksons spoke against the first Estate project, they were 100% correct in their complaints. Debbie is a strong woman, The Jacksons can't make Debbie do anything. But some asshole whose come along with whose sweet talking her and teasing her with marriage can clearly make her do the damnest things.

I agree. I'm not sure why some people feel the need to try to make everything the Jacksons' fault. I'm far from being their fan, but people are capable of pulling creepy stunts all by themselves. This is not about the Jacksons. It's about Debbie Rowe and Marc Schaffel, who both proved over the years that they are perfectly capable of creepy stuff all on their own. Not every bad thing that happens in the world is the Jacksons' fault, but apparently for some people here it has to be. If not on the surface then there has to be something in the background that makes it the Jacksons' fault eventually. Everyone else seems to get the benefit of doubt over and over again - Debbie Rowe, Marc Schaffel, everyone, but the Jacksons. Everything must be their fault.
 
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I don't know what she thought of HM contract.

Her best buddy and now fiance, Marc Schaffel helped Mann to secure that deal with Katherine... With lies about Michael, no less. How do I know it? They (Mann and Schaffel) tell on themselves in Sullivan's book (to which they both contributed their lies):

Schaffel was one of the main sources of Sullivan's trash book. He certainly claims a lot of untrue things in it, but one thing that stuck in my mind and which is demonstrably untrue, was a claim in support of Howard Mann with whom they seem to be buddies. Mann bought the so called Vaccaro Vault in 2009 from Henry Vaccaro. This is a huge collection of material that Vaccaro confiscated at the end of 1998/beginning of 1999 because the Jacksons failed to pay him the rent for the storage house they kept this stuff in. These are all things coming from the Encino houshold and they belong to all members of the Jackson family. Now, according to Sullivan's book Mann found things in that vault which were "embarrassing to MJ". He claimed the tabloid media were after him, promising him seven figure sums for it, but he was such a good guy that he took them to Katherine instead which Katherine profusely thanked him and as a thank you they made their deal... The claim is that the embarrassing material in the vault were sex toys and gay porn movies that Schaffel sent to MJ during their association. Schaffel lent support to this story in Sullivan's book by claiming that he sent this material to MJ in 2002.

I hope you took note of the dates, because Sullivan obviously didn't and that's why he ran with the story as he did with every salacious claim about MJ in that book...

It's factually impossible for that vault to contain anything that Schaffel sent to MJ in 2002 or during any time of their association which began in 2000, because that vault was in Vaccaro's possession since the beginning of 1999! So if there was gay porn in it by the time Mann showed it to Katherine in 2009 then that was because Mann and Schaffel put it there to blackmail her into the deal with Mann. It's also ridiculous to claim that the tabloid media was after that stuff offering Mann seven digit figures. The tabloid media knew about the existence of this stuff and knew its contents since about 1999/2000. Heck, even Sneddon went through it and found nothing of interest! Diane Dimond too was given a chance to go through it and the only thing she could find of interest with that she could "embarrass" MJ (but rather embarassed herself) is that soiled underwear supposedly belonging to MJ that she dangled around on CNN once. There was never any mention of gay porn until Mann and Schaffel started to claim this in 2009. The media went through that stuff long before 2009 and never found anything of interest so the whole claim about the media being after it and offering Mann seven figure sums for it is just ridiculous. As it is ridiculous that a crook like Mann would turn down such offers if they existed...

There were sex toys, but there was no way to link them to Michael. The stuff in that vault belonged to the whole household and most stuff belonged to his brothers, sisters and other people in that household, since he did not even live in Encino since the 80s. Janet did talk about using sex toys once, for example. But again, those sex toys have nothing to do with Schaffel and they are certainly not items he sent to MJ during their association because it's just factually impossible for that vault to contain anything he supposedly sent to MJ. He just claimed this to link those sex toys personally to MJ.

For the record, no gay porn video was ever found in MJ's possession when his house was raided in November 2003 with 70 sheriffs. He only had heterosexual videos. So no he did not have anything of that nature that Schaffel supposedly sent to him.

So the whole thing is a tale and it seems like the whole purpose was to scare Katherine into the deal with Mann.

Another thing that that stuck in my mind about Schaffel from Sullivan's book was a story about MJ once sending him out to buy a book about babies. And Schaffel is "kind" enough in the book to give that innocent story a sinister spin by noting "I don't know if it excited him sexually."

So this is the guy Debbie Rowe is so chummy with.
 
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Her best buddy and now fiance, Marc Schaffel helped Mann to secure that deal with Katherine... With lies about Michael, no less.

Do you have a source?


Btw, it is not like Debbie just recently started hanging out with Marc, they been buddies long time so if this is something that they have in their mind, why didn't they do it before? Debbie could have had her chances when granny-napping was going on instead of supporting TJ as co-guardian?
Why not go to judge when Paris tried to kill herself and say KJ and TJ are not doing proper job?

If people just could put they hate toward Debbie away for a minute and think, why didn't she look for custody earlier when something happened and she had better chances, and why is she looking custody now?

The timing is curious say to least. Why now?


Btw 2, I'm not defending Debbie or even less that crook MS. I'm trying to find out what the hell is going on?
 
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Do you have a source?

I added it to my previous post.

Btw, it is not like Debbie just recently started hanging out with Marc, they been buddies long time so if this is something that they have in their mind, why didn't they do it before? Debbie could have had her chances when granny-napping was going on instead of supporting TJ as co-guardian?
Why not go to judge when Paris tried to kill herself and say KJ and TJ are not doing proper job?

Debbie has no chance of getting custody of those kids. I bet she would not want to go there and let a court or child protective services to dig up her past as a "mother"... So I don't think she will seriously go for it. Or if she is delusional enough to do so she will fail. It's just stirring the pot and trying to get attention. If she was really serious about it, she would do it in a serious way, not in a tabloid way - announcing it to a tabloid before she even filed anything. This way she only harms her children but she does not seem to care.

If people just could put they hate toward Debbie away for a minute and think,

I think maybe it's you who should put your hate toward the Jacksons away for a minute and not try to make everything their fault. There is absolutely no sign of anything dramatic happening in the Jackson household right now. Debbie mentions things like "Prince swears too much" as her reasons, which is ridiculous. Especially coming from her who talks like a sailor. She doesn't mention anything serious. Her assasment of Jermaine being creepy is not a reason for her to get custody. Especially when she's about to marry a guy who is a lot more creepy than Jermaine.
 
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^^^ Family has a proven track record that they are more than capably of pulling all sort of stunts, thus I was wondering if something has happened that hasn't found its way to media.

I found some mis-information regarding you post about Mann and the contract, and secondly you seriously rely on Sullivan's book to support your stance? As far as I know he also wrote that Janet delayed MJ funeral which wasn't true and he also interviews members of family including KJ. By relying on Sullivan it is like taking TMZ as true source of information? Btw, the items KJ got back considered to be embarrassing to her, happened a lot earlier and if I remember right they were letters between her and Joe.
I try to find the source where I read it.
 
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^^^ Family has a proven track record that they are more than capably of pulling all sort of stunts, thus I was wondering if something has happened that hasn't found its way to media.

I found some mis-information regarding you post about Mann and the contract, and secondly you seriously rely on Sullivan's book to support your stance? As far as I know he also wrote that Janet delayed MJ funeral which wasn't true and he also interviews members of family including KJ. By relying on Sullivan it is like taking TMZ as true source of information? Btw, the items KJ got back considered to be embarrassing to her, happened a lot earlier and if I remember right they were letters between her and Joe.
I try to find the source where I read it.

Sullivan is an idiot, but this story was told to him by Schaffel and Mann themselves. Unless you think Sullivan just makes up things and puts it into named people's mouth. That would be a basis for those people to sue him. In this book they both claim the "embarassing stuff" was gay porn movies and sex toys which Schaffel supposedly sent to MJ in 2002 (as I said, factually impossible, as the Vaccaro vault was confiscated by Vaccaro at the end of 1998/beginning of 1999, well before MJ's association with Schaffel even began, but Sullivan, being the idiot he is, did not notice it, just ran with the story as usual).

Here is the story right from Sullivan's book:

Howard Mann told me one story that I know to be mostly true and that I feel
should be told, even though it was omitted from the main body of this book: In the
fall of 2009, Mann made a deal to acquire the trove of Jackson family memorabilia,
videotapes, photographs, and music recordings that Henry Vaccaro called “ The
Michael Jackson Secret Vault.” Among those items was what had long been the
most speculated about piece of physical evidence ever possessed by the Santa
Barbara County District Attorney’s office. This was a box of “ salacious materials”
that would become the object of a frenzied hunt in the weeks after Michael’s death.
When the British tabloids discovered that these “ materials” were now in Mann’s
possession, they began a bidding war that, according to Howard, resulted
ultimately in an offer of seven figures. (I know there was a bidding war, but doubt
the amount offered ever approached a million dollars.) Whatever amount of money
it was that the British tabloids offered, it’s a fact that instead of selling these
objects he conveyed the box and its contents to the Hayvenhurst compound and
presented it to Katherine Jackson. It was an attempt at forging a relationship with a
woman he had never met. “ I told Mrs. Jackson I didn’t think it would be right or
smart to sell this stuff to a tabloid that would trash her son’s reputation,” Mann
explained to me, “ and that I was giving it to her to do with as she saw fit.”
Katherine opened the box, looked inside, closed her eyes for a moment, then
thanked Mann profusely for his kindness and consideration. “ It was very good of
Howard,” Mrs. Jackson said months later, after he had become her business partner
and personal advisor.

Mann told me that the box of “ materials” had been packed by Marc Schaffel and
delivered to Michael Jackson back in 2002. “ Michael asked me to send some of the
movies I’d made,” Schaffel explained when I asked him about this. The “ exotic”
sex toys in the box, more than the gay porn films, were what the tabloids had
coveted. “ I threw that stuff in to make him laugh,” said Schaffel.
No, he didn’t
believe Michael was gay, Marc said: “ At least I never saw any sign of it.” Michael
often commented that he found this or that woman attractive, admiring the curve of
her hips or the shape of her posterior, but Schaffel never knew him to engage in
anything more than a brief and superficial flirtation with any female. He certainly
never slept with one during the years Marc spent with him. So why did Michael
want him to send that box of gay porn films? I wondered. “ He was curious,”
Schaffel said. “ Michael was interested in everything. He looked at straight films,
gay films, tranny films—you name it. He wanted to see it all. I took it as him
trying to know about things he wasn’t experiencing in his own life.”
 
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Oh come on now! She was right there when Michael died and even delayed KJ guardianship arrangement until she was happy with arrangement, and got KJ to agree that kids will see psychologist to help them to adjust their dads passing, and to keep Joe out of their lives. I don't know what she thought of HM contract, but during granny-napping, she did go to stay in Calabasas (MS lives there) and monitored situation there. She was there when Paris tried to kill herself. It just make me wonder what has happened that what has happened previously didn't make her to seek guardianship, but now she does?

It doesn't make any sense at all, unless there is something else behind the whole thingy.


And she also tried to sock the estate with her legal bill after Katherine was appointed did she not? I don't know where she was during granny napping but I do know she never went to court to ask for custody did she? Of course she was there when Paris tried to kill herself she was confirming it to Entertainment Tonight and fighting with fans on twitter. But my point was why didn't she go for custody then
 
I would like to hear if there is anyone else who thinks the timing is odd, why now and why not earlier when there most certainly had a reason for going custody battle? Any thoughts of it, other than Debbie and Marc just cooked up this yesterday? Given that Debbie has been hanging out with Marc for long time, she has not pulled any stunts in recent 4 years, why would she or them together come up with this now?


Respect, Sullivan is an idiot and he writes what people tell him, no questions asked.
The more salacious, the better so gullible people get what they deserve.
Both MS and Mann had they agenda and Sullivan didn't even think of questioning them, thus I do not consider Sullivan's book as source of anything. Heck, he wrote MJ didn't have nose even thou there was not mentioning missing nose is his autopsy report.
 
And she also tried to sock the estate with her legal bill after Katherine was appointed did she not? I don't know where she was during granny napping but I do know she never went to court to ask for custody did she? Of course she was there when Paris tried to kill herself she was confirming it to Entertainment Tonight and fighting with fans on twitter. But my point was why didn't she go for custody then

Everybody put their legal bills to the estate to pay, including KJ and TJ, why not Debbie?
She was staying with Marc in Calabasas during granny-napping, so she was close by.
It was only after granny-napping when she and Paris got closer.

Note
Debbie Rowe, the biological mother of two of Michael Jackson's children, Prince and Paris, has signed off on the co-guardianship arrangement entered into by Michael's mother, Katherine Jackson, and nephew, TJ Jackson. Under the agreement, approved last week by Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff, Katherine will oversee the children's finances while TJ will over see the children's day-to-day activities. But Rowe's approval came with the following warning in the court documents filed on her behalf: "Should the arrangement sought by TJ Jackson and Katherine Jackson become untenable, unstable, unsafe, or in any way contrary to the best interests of the children, Ms. Rowe will seek court intervention."

We are actually in the same page, we are both asking why didn't she go on court back then but now when seemingly nothing major has happened?
 
Respect, Sullivan is an idiot and he writes what people tell him, no questions asked.
The more salacious, the better so gullible people get what they deserve.
Both MS and Mann had they agenda and Sullivan didn't even think of questioning them, thus I do not consider Sullivan's book as source of anything. Heck, he wrote MJ didn't have nose even thou there was not mentioning missing nose is his autopsy report.

Did I say Sullivan, Schaffel or Mann were trustworthy? In fact, I showed why the story was not true as it's simply impossible considering the dates of certain things. But this is a story that Schaffel and Mann did tell Sullivan and Schaffel lended support to Mann's lie, whether you try to ignore that fact or not.
 
It's not about his book, it's what Marc told him. That is the ass hole Debbie wants to marry.
 
It's not about his book, it's what Marc told him. That is the ass hole Debbie wants to marry.

I would agree with you but I cannot because it is up to me to say who she should or shouldn't marry. Everybody makes their own mistakes:)
 
Everybody put their legal bills to the estate to pay, including KJ and TJ, why not Debbie?
She was staying with Marc in Calabasas during granny-napping, so she was close by.
It was only after granny-napping when she and Paris got closer.

We are actually in the same page, we are both asking why didn't she go on court back then but now when seemingly nothing major has happened?

Bullish, she went on that crazy rant after Michael died saying she wanted her children remember that? She wanted to make sure everything was cool, good for her. Why should the estate have to pay her legal bills for something she started? They paid Katherine's legal bills because Michael provides for her in his will they paid TJ's because he was appointed a guardian why should she expect them to pay hers? You need to put your hate and see this has nothing to do with the brothers
 
I would agree with you but I cannot because it is up to me to say who she should or shouldn't marry. Everybody makes their own mistakes:)

I don't give v a toss who she marries but when you try to bring trash in the kids lives, I care
 
Bullish, she went on that crazy rant after Michael died saying she wanted her children remember that? She wanted to make sure everything was cool, good for her. Why should the estate have to pay her legal bills for something she started? They paid Katherine's legal bills because Michael provides for her in his will they paid TJ's because he was appointed a guardian why should she expect them to pay hers? You need to put your hate and see this has nothing to do with the brothers

Right. The same game she always played while Michael was alive too. Her "motherly instincts" and "worries" for her children suddenly always arose whenever the money flow coming from MJ to her dried up... Then her worries suddenly went away again once she was paid.
 
^^ Actually there is not hate in my heart at the moment against anyone, just curiosity and questions.
I'm starting to feel like the hate toward Debbie is blind and no room for genuine questions.

Whether we like it or not, Debbie is always going to be part of kids life and because she is kids mother (or whatever name you want to use), her input is asked by courts etc.

"she went on that crazy rant after Michael died saying she wanted her children remember that? She wanted to make sure everything was cool, good for her."

Whats that about?
 
You talk about "blind hate" towards Debbie, Bubs, when the reasons for the concern about her friendship and engagement to someone like Schaffel are well listed in this thread? And then this engagement comes (apparently) with a threat of cusdody battle... (Though I still don't think it's more than an empty threat.)

However, there is absolutely nothing in support of your theory that something must be so massively wrong in the Jackson household that Debbie is forced to take these steps, even though she never took them before. So based on your theory this situation now must be a lot worse than even Paris' suicide attempt. Yet, there is not any sign of such a crisis in the Jackson houshold, no matter how much you want to blame this all on the Jacksons, just becaue you dislike them so much. Debbie's alleged threats also do not include anything serious, other than minor things, such as Prince swearing. So those criticizng Debbie are not the ones with the blind hate here (and in other threads with non-stop Jacksons bashing - and I'm saying it as someone who also criticized them from time to time. But this is not about them.).
 
There was not a person here that was not happy when Paris and Debbie became close. Because it was good for Paris to have her Mother around and IMO it was nice to have a place to go to get away from the craziness known has the Jacksons. But not act like we did not see pics of Paris showing up on TMZ, pictures that seem to come from the inside of her home. Her family members saying Debbie told them to send pics to TMZ. It appears she was using her daughter just like the Jacksons were. And someone bought up timing, I tend to think it has a lot to do with her lack of access to Paris perhaps
 
^^ Actually there is not hate in my heart at the moment against anyone, just curiosity and questions.
I'm starting to feel like the hate toward Debbie is blind and no room for genuine questions.

Whether we like it or not, Debbie is always going to be part of kids life and because she is kids mother (or whatever name you want to use), her input is asked by courts etc.

"she went on that crazy rant after Michael died saying she wanted her children remember that? She wanted to make sure everything was cool, good for her."

Whats that about?


It's six in the morning here you are going to use Google find out what that was about. And whether you like it or not the Jacksons are always going to be apart of the kids lives, and unless there is something nefarious going on is kids aren't going anywhere. And blanket doesn't have s*** to do with Debbie
 
^^^^^ Ummm, I couldn't say I was happy, I was wary but hoped it would be good for Pariis, but it was played out in the media and Debbies public twitter, so any optimism I had was soon gone.

As far as timing goes, IF this story is correct personally the only timing I see is Schaffel - I am begining to wonder if Debbie is this tough character I have always thought she was. She thought at one time that Schaffel was using her as a commodity and that he was a crook - she testified to that in court. Now she is marrying him, I would like to know what happened in those middle years, did they stay in contact, or only rekindle a 'friendship' after Michael died?

IF this story is true then Debbie Rowe would have a better chance of custody if she doesn't marry Marc Schaffel, because this will get very messy.

I would also have serious concerns whether Paris would be able to cope being in the centre of a custody fight. I can I visage all sorts of child manipulation going on - on both sides. Is that good for her?
 
Do you have a source?


Btw, it is not like Debbie just recently started hanging out with Marc, they been buddies long time so if this is something that they have in their mind, why didn't they do it before? Debbie could have had her chances when granny-napping was going on instead of supporting TJ as co-guardian?
Why not go to judge when Paris tried to kill herself and say KJ and TJ are not doing proper job?

If people just could put they hate toward Debbie away for a minute and think, why didn't she look for custody earlier when something happened and she had better chances, and why is she looking custody now?

The timing is curious say to least. Why now?


Btw 2, I'm not defending Debbie or even less that crook MS. I'm trying to find out what the hell is going on?

I agree with you here, if this story is true. Debbie knew about all the behaviors of the family members since 09. She warned Katherine to keep Joe away. She knew about the kidnapping, Paris' emotional state and did not seek custody then. Something must have happened recently that made her change her mind, if this story is true. She had Marc in her ear since 09 too, so what happened recently to cause this? Why wait still the oldest child is almost 18 to make these claims. The thing is just not making sense.
 
I agree with you here, if this story is true. Debbie knew about all the behaviors of the family members since 09. She warned Katherine to keep Joe away. She knew about the kidnapping, Paris' emotional state and did not seek custody then. Something must have happened recently that made her change her mind, if this story is true. She had Marc in her ear since 09 too, so what happened recently to cause this? Why wait still the oldest child is almost 18 to make these claims. The thing is just not making sense.

Thank you Petrarose, I thought I was the only one:)
You are right, it just doesn't make any sense.
I even thought maybe Paris asked her to do this?

I dug out this bit of info earlier, which is from the time TJ went to court and Debbie approved him:
Debbie Rowe, the biological mother of two of Michael Jackson's children, Prince and Paris, has signed off on the co-guardianship arrangement entered into by Michael's mother, Katherine Jackson, and nephew, TJ Jackson. Under the agreement, approved last week by Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff, Katherine will oversee the children's finances while TJ will over see the children's day-to-day activities. But Rowe's approval came with the following warning in the court documents filed on her behalf: "Should the arrangement sought by TJ Jackson and Katherine Jackson become untenable, unstable, unsafe, or in any way contrary to the best interests of the children, Ms. Rowe will seek court intervention."

Had the bolded thing happened or what?
 
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Yeah but the things she listed or that is listed in the TMZ story shows none of that
 
Until papers are filed and even if they are filed imo its nothing more than insigated publicity seeking b.s by schaffel. using and abusing the kids for the sheer hell of it.i dont think theres anything more to it. we are getting married (supposedly) and what gets us the most attention? using mjs kids.

thanks for that info on sullivans book. Unbelievable such blatent lies and debbie hangs with him. talk about getting into bed with the devil
 
Maybe it's Paris still being institutionalised, maybe that is the key. It's been a long time now and rumour has it she is not happy at the school.
 
The most obvious answer to why now may be that her recent health scare was quite real. You wouldn't file for custody if you thought you had a terminal disease, because you might be dead by the time it was resolved anyway. But if you find out you're going to live after all, that's the kind of thing that makes people "take stock of their lives" and want to make major changes -- like getting married or trying to become a real parent. If it were just about the kids, she would have filed a long time ago, after the Taser incident, the granny-napping, or Paris' suicide attempt.

It blows my mind, though. Marc Shaffel proposes to a divorcee with a nice settlement and two very wealthy children, who until recently thought she might have one foot in the grave. And she doesn't see it. These poor kids are surrounded with people of terrible judgement.
 
When Debbie and Paris were hanging out together, before the suicide attempt, Debbie was regularly posting about their relationship on her facebook acct. Also, I noted, Debbie kept asking people who read her facebook acct., to like her Desert Horse Ranch.

Then Debbie was on "Entertainment Tonite." She and another horse ranch, just down the street, were having some kind of a raffle for a horse, for charity.

So...Debbie keeps using publicity to draw attention, I think, to her horse ranch. Perhaps it isn't doing as well financially as she'd like. She has not had the ranch very long and she has used publicity to promote her horse breeding business, but there is competition.

This latest publicity stunt maybe for the same reason, to draw attention to her horse breeding business. It does seem to make it hard to give her horse breeding business credibility, when Debbie has a strange way of seeking publicity.

I remember Debbie didn't have a problem with her adoptive father selling stories to the tabloids about the procreation of Prince's birth. Debbie got into trouble with that from Michael's camp and then Debbie's Dad withdrew the story. So, whether we want to believe it or not, Debbie is a publicity hound for whatever economic reasons she will profit from, it brings her. Her livelihood is horse breeding and she's been using publicity, as of late, to draw attention to her livelihood. Perhaps this latest ploy is tied to Michael's new album coming out. The publicity of the album and then her engagement to Marc, then tie it all up with wanting custody. It makes sense to me. It's the veneer of innocence that Debbie implies that makes people look at her side eyed!
 
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