Victory22;4033965 said:
First of all evidence proves Michael did not have to attend rehearsals every day and NEVER did. Where are you getting your information from because it's not from the trial. As TII got closer to the London dates MJ was hardly coming to rehearsals at all. He came to work on June 19, 2009 sick with chills and slight disorientation. He was given food, wrapped in blankets, a heater was brought for him and he was sent home. Note: This was the first and ONLY time he ever came to work in that condition. Phillips was notified, Murray was called, Frank was called and a meeting was called at Michael’s house the next day. Doesn’t sound like nobody cared about him to me. Michael Amir Williams testified Michael told him he was only going 30 or 40% so he was actually performing less than he did during other tours when he was 30. Again I don't know where your information is coming from because MJ did give permission to film footage which is why he kept saying he was not singing full out or going full on. MJ's autopsy proved he was not sick and in fact he was very healthy. Propofol poison killed him not his health or overwork.
It was expected of him to come to rehearsals everyday. Because MJ was sick, no he did not attend, and yes he was sent home on June 19th. Whether he did or didn't attend isn't the issue in the end, but what was expected of him - and what created the unneeded pressure.
Stacy Walker's testimony:
Q. You’re a perfectionist, have a good background in dance and choreography, would you say that it’s necessary for a dancer to rehearse, should Mr. Jackson have been at rehearsal?A. Yes, Mr. Jackson should have been at rehearsal more even though he was rehearsing at home with Travis Payne.
Travis Payne:
Q. Is it truthful to say Mr. Jackson did not have to come to rehearsal?
A. No, he had to come.
Q. Is it true to say Mr. Jackson wasn’t to come to rehearsal until everyone was ready for him?
A. No, he still had to come. There were other things he had to do.
Q. Is it correct to say Mr. Jackson did not have to come to rehearsals?
A. No, he needed to come to rehearsal. It was part of the job.
More travis:
Q. And isn’t it true that you told Michael Amir it’s really critical that Michael show up for rehearsals because the show he is the fulcrum of the production and it really involves around him?
A. That is correct.
Q. Did you tell him that it’s not in his contract that he doesn’t need to go to rehearsal?
A. No.
Q. Did you ever tell anyone that Michael Jackson doesn’t need to go to rehearsal?
A. No.
Q. Did you tell Michael Amir so even though he, Michael Jackson, might know these dance moves, you know, intimately, and he’s just reinterpreting what he has done during his wholecareer, the entire show is a massive production, it really needs Michael’s presence because people have to key off him and they have to build the cues that affects everything off of Michael?
A. Yes, I ..I made that call at the behest of Kenny Ortega.
Q. Did you say those things
A. Yes.
Email between the insurance brokers:
: “Randy Phillips & Conrad Murray are responsible for making sure MJ attends rehearsal”.
Email from Gongaware in May 2009:
The Kid is healthy and rehearsing every day. He was still there at dance rehearsals at 9pm last night when I left.
Randy Phillips:
Q. And Mr. Ortega’s main concern was that Michael Jackson was not showing up at rehearsals,correct?
A. That is correct.
Q. And that Michael Jackson was not focused in mid to late June on the rehearsals, correct?
A. Correct. Just to correct your previous thing, Michael Jackson was showing up to rehearsals, just not enough of them, in Kenny’s opinion.
There's much more than that that either directly says that folks either
expected him to be at rehearsal every, were
disappointed that he WASN'T a rehearsals everyday, said he was
required to be at rehearsals everyday, or thought was the NORM that he'd be at rehearsals everyday. To me, that shows that the expectation from the higher ups was that MJ needed to be at rehearsals everyday. Which meant that
Michael himself felt that he needed to be at rehearsals everyday or else they'd 'pull the plug' as Ortega said in testimony. Any expectation that MJ should be at rehearsals everyday is simply outrageous.
That so-called "intervention' or whatever you want to call it the day after June 19th was about making sure MJ attended rehearsals for
Randy Phillips, the higher up. I believe
Ortega cared about MJ's well being, but Phillips? Who was leading AEG? Who could actually do something about it? not so much. Ortega was sounding the alarm on Murray who pretty much shut him down at this 'intervention', and Randy backed Murray up, and Ortega stormed out. This equals
AEG ignoring the issue. Murray said that he'd take care of it.
He didn't.
As far as how much effort MJ was putting in the rehearsals? I got that info from watching them. Look at "Jam" Dangerous rehearsals compared to TII rehearsals. MJ was straight chillin' for the Dangerous rehearsals lol and was barely singing so that the team could hear him, only danced when he felt like it, definitely not dancing at almost every point you'd expect him to dance...which is really how it it should have been. for TII, he was dancing way more, pretty much complete choreography, and putting a lot of energy into it. He was doing a LOT more than what he would normally do for rehearsals, just watching Dangerous tour vs. TII back to back. So yes I believe MJ might have told Amir that, but when it came down to it...what he did was more, considering he rehearsed more than he ever did overall for any of his world tours.
Also, Karen Faye was the one who talked about the cameras not actually being approved by MJ, because he would have had no control over the footage. Karen can be loopy sometimes but she did spend decades with MJ, I doubt she and Michael Bush be lying about something like that.
From all I know about MJ his insomnia ALWAY'S flared up during shows and there is proof he suffered from it even when he wasn't performing going all the way back to his 20's. MJ also had PASSED drug addiction and he talked publically about it. He also took pain medications in the past for injuries and medical conditions before agreeing to work for AEG.
Yes, he always had insomnia, but he for SURE didnt need to have a doctor watch over him all the time to
make sure he slept through out those 30 years. And for sure worrying about being spent before the concerts even began was taking a stressful toll. This wasn't during the show, this was
before the show, where MJ was supposed to be taking it easy and if he WANTED to spend 3 days trying to have 1 night of genuine sleep before his next rehearsal, he could. And yes, MJ took pain meds before agreeing to work for AEG, but thats not the issue really since MJ wasn't addicted to pain meds at that time. MJ was adamant about getting OFF of them. MJ was messed up because of the stuff
Murray was giving him (VERSED, really??? - this is the stuff that was making MJ sick because it wasn't producing true sleep and MJ was
sleep deprived, among other side effects with whatever drugs Murray was giving him), because he was required to make sure MJ got up and attended rehearsals
no matter what. When he did try to put MJ on sick leave,
that was when Ortega threw a fit.
That was when talks about Ortega leaving was being thrown around,
that is when emails were being sent back and forth about Murray not doing his job...which was to simply make sure MJ got to rehearsals healthy and alert. When Ortega sent MJ home it was either Murray or Randy who told Ortega to not send him home again and to stop acting like an ametaur psychologist or phsyician.
What red flags should they have been looking for when MJ said he was fine? MJ was not a fragile infant who needed to be babysat like he was handicap. He was a grown up MAN with three children he was caring for on his own. Why didn't KJ see these Red Flags you keep talking about? After all if they were so clearly seen why the hell didn't she see them? Didn't Joe tell her to go over to MJ's house and check on him?
Ortega said both he and MJ wanted the concerts pushed back. This was ignored. MJ kept saying that he wasn't getting rest and that he was tired, this was ignored (more indirectly by murray who didn't know what he was doing). MJ didn't want 50 shows with the schedule that was set. This got ignored. MJ wasn't trying to come to rehearsal every day so he conserve his energy. This was ignored. Everyone kept saying that they saw MJ was spent, but thought nothing of it. YES, Mj is a grown man, but like i said above - this is not the hunger games. It shouldn't be a kill or be killed kind of environment when you're working with a
team, when you're working with
partners.
Michael was the star here,
Michael was the one that was going to work those concerts,
Michael was the center of all this and so
Michael's needs should have always been met. If Michael was spent, then they should have taken it more seriously. After June 19th, all bets should have been off and MJ should have been given a break. The concerts should have been pushed back. Red flag # 100000 is when Ortega was driving home and someone was screaming and crying over the phone that MJ wasn't gonna make it. Red flag #100001 is when ORTEGA himself was crying over it. If they thought he was just sick with a cold and there was nothing to it, crying would NOT have been the reaction. They KNEW something was terribly wrong with this whole thing.
This whole operation was a
train wreck and it caused a chain reaction that led to Murray killing MJ. For the last week or so, MJ went back and forth from having good days to bad days, from looking good to feeling horrible. And even when he felt horrible, and everyone KNEW he felt horrible (June 24th), they still went on with the show. Red flags all over. MJ was pressured to continue on because he didn't want the thing to fall apart, so while yes he could have said 'FU, and FU too, I'm not doing this' - he really couldn't because he had a lot riding on it too. Not to mention AEG thought of him as a low life and he would have never heard the end of it.
Katherine Jackson wasn't around during rehearsals and the whole saga so she couldn't have known. I think she saw MJ one day in person during that period? Joe was never around during that period so he definitely wouldn't have known. There was that whole Jackson family intervention they testified to, which happened early in the game, in which they admitted it was awkward cuz MJ was
fine. ANd there was no sign he was addicted to anything. Randy Jackson might have
thought he was, but most people that talked to him around that time said MJ was clean. Doctors who had talked with him said he was clean. This was not a case of drug addiction, this was a case of homicide. The signs that they were slowly killing him were everywhere.
Over the course of those months, those people (AEG, choreographers, directors) had been working with MJ closely. For some, like Ortega and Travis, they've been working with MJ for over 20 years and had testified they NEVER saw MJ like that towards the end,
ever. So if anyone should have gotten a bad feeling about anything going on, it was them. And most of them testified that they DID have a bad feeling.
And see, I do not doubt that MJ was a healthy man. Im not denying what the autopsy says. But the facts are that he was sick towards the end, and just because one gets sick doesn't mean they aren't healthy overall. All of what was happening to MJ was
reversible. What ever stuff Murray was feeding him was making MJ loopy and more tired than before. The
opposite of what he was supposed to do. Murray killed MJ. I do not deny this. MJ was healthy and FINE before Murray started 'treating' MJ. But Murray was treating MJ under AEG's watch, because they were desperate wanted their 50 shows to go on without a hitch and without any cost to them - and so thinking MJ WAS a drug addict who would ruin everything, they assigned Murray to make sure he was clean at night but all Murray did was pump him full of drugs and left him to die because he was on the phone talking about INSURANCE policies that would ensure him a bigger paycheck thanks to AEG's push for 50 shows. And in the court of law that is
liability.
Judge mathis actually explained it well lol. Its like if an employee of some place came to fix your sink and ended up flooding the house, that company is liable for the employee's actions - because they hired them and supervises them and in turn are partially responsible.
The AEG trial most surely did take away MJ's dignity and his privacy. The media only reported what KJ's lawyers and Randy's testimony gave them on a silver platter! I love MJ more also after this horrible trial because it showed me the only people who brought it didn't give a damn about him or dragging his dead body through the mud. That is very sad to me that he was alone because his family just didn't care.
MJ's privacy was already breached by the murray trial, by the 2005 trial and everything else. Breached all over the place, especially after he died considering all the book deals. The flood gates are open, and they can't be closed, so providing I think the lesser of the two evils is to make lemonade of it and expose these people involved for who they really are. At least use this situation for something good.
The media are the ones who spun everything to make it look like MJ was completely irresponsible, and it seems that you might believe that if I take Katherine's side...that I think he was too. Media also made him out to be a raging drug addict and just crazy. But the whole picture, and not just soundbites from the media, says MJ did what he could. When you trust people, this is what happens. This is what
I got out of the trial, not that MJ was less of a man. Like I said, I'm glad this is out there, because people should know the totality of what happened (the media will always twist it, but at least the actual testimony and the emails are out there). Maybe it is about money, I don't know, but I like I said before I'm glad the added consequence is that we got the WHOLE story about what is going on instead of just Murray's narrow/psychopathic/pathological lying view.
Sorry for the long windedness
....also yes, MJ was happy and excited at first, and yes he was working on other things, which even adds to the stress of everything else when things took a turn for the worst.