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A ch & u can download it on ur phoneSo is showtimes channel a american tv channel or phone app guys?
A ch & u can download it on ur phoneSo is showtimes channel a american tv channel or phone app guys?
How about we fwd this to the estate & ask why the lies do they tell us as if we cant researchFrom a 2010 article:
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/mar/16/entertainment/la-et-michael-jackson16-2010mar16
Directly contradicts what they claim now.
So is showtimes channel a american tv channel or phone app guys?
Thanks-I didn't know who Stringer was-assumed he worked for Sony, but not sure.krikzil;4127791 said:And that quote is from Stringer, Epic Chairman (a division of Sony) not an Executor.
And where did they "blame" MJ anyway? Saying he wasn't organized can be a simple statement of fact; not an indictment.
Well, they are two different issues, but I was only addressing the "blame one" at the time-that came from the letter the Estate sent out, and it's contrary to what was said before-so it is possible that it is Sony that decided to go the cost effective route and strip this down-I can't see the Estate blaming Sony-it's the hand that feeds them right now.Tygger;4127797 said:Barbee0715, these are two distinct issues that you have blurred.
One issue is why the Estate chose to make Michael blameworthy for their lazy effort in their statement. If enough fans question this issue online, the Estate will issue another statement …defending themselves.
Another issue is Triumph not being release within this lazily made package yet, using Triumph footage to promote Lee’s documentary. If you prefer to believe others are blameworthy for the concert not being released but, using Michael's image to promote Lee's documentary, tis your choice. Past actions have proven that belief to be untrue.
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barbee0715;4127796 said:Thanks-I didn't know who Stringer was-assumed he worked for Sony, but not sure.
No, they did not BLAME Michael-in the statement it was just "as you know, he didn't film, etc" It was what I call an explanation, not blame, for no extra material. But the word "blame" has been ongoing since the Estate's letter was printed here.
We would like to re-interate that the album included in the package is a re-issue of the original album – there is no additional music or remixes on the CD or any “bonus” material with the documentary. We are sure some will be disappointed that there is not extra material, but as everyone knows, this album was early in Michael’s career. He did not write or record the number of songs for this album as he did for later releases nor did he do any filming using his own camera crews of the making of his short films or other events. Without a wealth of material in the archives, the Estate and Sony decided to take a different approach with this release – strip it down and keep it simple and allow everyone to celebrate the album that started it all with a fun, specially designed, collectible package that holds both the album as originally released along with this special documentary and gives fans a chance to get creative with Michael’s original concept for the album artwork. (You’ll see when you get it!)
barbee0715;4127799 said:I can't see the Estate blaming Sony-it's the hand that feeds them right now.
I don't think that general public is a factor. People working for Sony told that they exclusively targeted the fans with Bad 25 release. Their sale goals was 1/3rd lower than the previous general public release. They believed they were giving exactly what the fans asked for - untouched demos, concert etc. Despite this it didn't reach the lower sales goals. Sony were asking why the fans didn't buy. We discussed this long during that time. I believe to them Bad25 showed that fan targeted projects don't bring the sales (lower sales) they hope. So they might feel that demos are better used in releases such as Xscape where they can attract general public rather than releasing them in anniversary releases. Bad 25 clearly didn't pay off so it's not odd to suggest they will try to cut down losses on OTW. Documentary is probably recovering it's own costs with the TV deals.
Either the Estate fabricated what they had then or they are fabricating what they have now and are blaming Michael for their lazy effort. Which is true? Which is true?
This still doesn't prove who is to blame for the lack of the material or tour, etc. It could be Branca, McClain, any Jacksons-it could be Quincy or Rod-or somebody we don't even know about. It could be Sony trying to put out the most cost effective package possible.
Estate? Where did you read that?? It says Rob Stringer in the article. I don't even know who that is and we for sure don't know how reliable source he is.
He is, as the article mentions, the chairman of the Columbia Epic label group, a division of Sony, and thus someone who works with the Estate on these releases. I doubt he would just make something up. Likely, it is based on his discussions with the Estate, as the article mentions they already had plans for the release.Estate? Where did you read that?? It says Rob Stringer in the article. I don't even know who that is and we for sure don't know how reliable source he is.
Yet many here are happy to blame Quincy, Rod Temperton or Randy Jackson without proof.Exactly. The point is that we don't know. And it's not fair to attack Estate without any proof.
Yea but why keep getting the same product over & over. His career consists of more than rereleases & greatest hitsWhy do so many here feel so entitled to everything MJ has ever done in the entirety of his life?
Can't nobody be grateful for what we already have (been given)?
This is it was lazy imo...they could've used what they had in the movie on the soundtrack instead of basically another greatest hits album. Seems like that's what thier goin for now. Same as the this is it package. Dvd/cd/new book with new piczI agree with what you wrote. But they did ****ed up massively that release with damaged poor quality VHS release. So they shouldn't be THAT surprised. In my opinion that release was OK, better than MICHAEL, but definitely much much weaker than This Is It or especially Xscape.
At the very least we can say the Estate's communication failed, because we know that there is material from this era in the archives. It could be true that there are legal reasons for why they cannot currently release this material, but that's not what they say the reason is. The claim they make in their announcement is simply not true.
This is it was lazy imo...they could've used what they had in the movie on the soundtrack instead of basically another greatest hits album.
Well technically it wasn't live & we technically heard him sing live on human nature & um....im under the influence so my memory is kind of off right nowI meant the movie. But the CD release was also good for me. It could have been better of course. Also soundtrack is soundtrack of the movie. Live album is live album. They decided to release a soundtrack, not live album as every movie has its own soundtrack released. If they released live album, again, a lot of fans would be unhappy because he does not sing live on every song as it was rehearsals, not live show.
How about we fwd this to the estate & ask why the lies do they tell us as if we cant research
Lol oh yea sure send me out. Lol j/k but i will gladly inform them but im sure 10/10 they wont respond/careYou can email them and ask if you want. Here is MJ Online Team's email:
https://twitter.com/MJonlineteam/status/495273470742503424
It could be that they can't say much but they always reply something when I have emailed them.
Lol oh yea sure send me out. Lol j/k but i will gladly inform them but im sure 10/10 they wont respond/care
Nowhere did they say that they don't have anything, but they say they don't have "wealth", thus they decided not to release the ones what they have from this period.
Yet many here are happy to blame Quincy, Rod Temperton or Randy Jackson without proof.
He says that they are "plowing through everything to understand what they got" with regards to "great stuff from around every time period [in Jackson's career]." So no, they had not archived everything that is in the vault from Michael's entire career.^^ That article was released March 2010. Do you think they have done thought vaults by then and have full accurate information? Not according the article you posted as they guy is saying "we are plowing"....
None of the things you mention are, as far as we know, directly related to this Off The Wall project. They could be, but we do not know.Without proof? Temperton has already refused to allow material; Quincy has filed a lawsuit; and Randall is still attempting to oust Branca 6 years later.