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Re: UPDATE : Jackson Family to Remember Michael at Anniversary Celebration Event / Not Estate Approv

Hmmmm..last time I checked, the Michael Jackson Estate own Michael Jackson's image. So I don't know who you are referring to here.

Joe has always said he needs no authorization to make any single thing related to the "Jacksons", since he is JOE JACKSON, so that's enough. What I mean by my comment is that Joe, and NOBODY has the legal right to create any kind of venture using "Michael Jackson" name, logo, image and the like. And I think it could be difficult to be told that when you are his father, but... that is exactly why the family should try to work as one and not simply trying to run business using Michael's name/image/etc. It's just that they CAN'T do it.
 
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woow , so the family can't use mj's name or image without the estate approval, i have a question we've been seeing lots of different artists covering mj's songs at their concerts is that like the same thing or not?
 
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THANK YOU!! I would be ticked off myself if I was being treated by the people who are supposed to be running my dead relative's estate like the Jacksons are being treated.

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Michael knew his family before Branca, McClain and any others came into his life over the years.

The fact that he knew his family before the executors of his estates doesn't obligate Michael Jackson to leaving his family an inheritance. It's a will, not a therapy session.

Michael Jackson was an adult and as such fully capable to make decisions for himself and setting up things in a way that reflects his wishes. If Michael Jackson wanted his family to be involved in any way, shape or form in the care taking of his estate- he would have made sure of that. But he didn't- he made explicitly clear whom he doesn't want involved. He wants his 3 children taken care of and he wants the caretaker of his children taken care off. His will is a very clear reflection on whom he doesn't want involved in this.

I don't see the Estate coming after the family if they just wanted to celebrate his memory and honor him. I don't see the estate coming after me if I were to march myself down to the next pub that has an open mic night if I felt like honoring MJ by belting out into Give in to me tomorrow night.

However the estate said no to tacky belts and jewelry that featured registered trademarks. The estate is also going after everyone who is using registered trademarks, his likeness yaddayadda- this will include his family and everyone else who is not part of the executing estate. Legally his family does not make any difference. That might sound cruel but is just a fact.

Obviously it's a lot easier to reach people that are in the US which is another reason why certain people seem to love trying to stage things OUTSIDE of US jurisdiction where enforcement is a heck of a lot more difficult. Why are all the "tribute concerts" planned outside of the US? :cheeky: Filing an injunction is a lot easier in the US, that's for sure.

And honestly, I haven't heard major outcry from the Estate about Jermaine Jackson's repeated use of "Smile" on varies occasions, or maybe I missed it. I actually wished someone would have said "pleasepleaseplease pick another song".
Actually people got their tributes out of their systems for a while and that's good.
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I'm actual very cautious towards the Estate and hearing how they upped their earnings per court order made me think as well.
But the fact remains that if Michael Jackson wanted things differently than SOMEWHERE another will would have surfaced and the current and only legal will would have been contested. Am I surprised that Michael Jackson did not make another will after the trial? Yes.

But one thing is for sure: Everywhere around the world you can observe the SAME mechanism. If certain parties don't like the will of a deceased for a number of reasons, immediately speculation will be started about the diminished mental capacity, must have been signed under duress etc etc etc
While I am not a fan of Branca and McClain I am simply accepting for the moment that this will is the current legal will. If another lawyer had another will, they should have brought it forward.
Instead people start on this whole LA vs NY signature thing. When I had a restraining order against someone my first names was frequently misspelled- but that didn't stop the cops from enforcing the required action.

The will was surprising in many aspects but it spoke very clearly, namely that Michael Jackson does not want ANY of his family of origin (if you will) involved in ANY business decisions that carry his name.

You don't have to trash the Jackson family to simply accept the fact that Michael Jackson seemed to have very clear instructions on who gets what. In a way the will is a very clear reality check about many, many things.

...While some members of the family have made questionable (yeah and even stupid) comments and actions, the entire family loved Michael, they are grieving for Michael and the way they are being treated as if THEY killed Michael is totally disrespectful.

That fact that I love someone is in no way obligating that person to reciprocate the feelings (if the feelings are mutual than of course that's rainbows and unicorns, I mean that) and in no way is my love for someone obligating the person loved by me to leave me an inheritance- unless required by law.

I can't see how the family is being treated by the estate as those that killed Michael Jackson, sorry. Certain family members are simply trying to re-transfer the name Michael Jackson back into the "Jackson Family" after his death by trying to build a "Jackson Family Museum" and making themselves again part of the equation by trying to hold a stake now in the active part of the legend building.
That's not trashing the family, that's just observing the happenings. I'd never trash any individuals on personal history without ever having met that person. This is simply an observation on public actions, not a judgement on private events. Things like this are public backlash on public actions. ("Family Museum", "signed belts" to be sold to the public).

Now, if the family wants to be part of the Legend building they will simply have to be smart about how to go about that.

... many of these people in the entertainment industry slithered into his life taking advantage of his kindness, naievity and insecurities and put that man through hell....MORE hell than Joe could ever put Michael through. And I'm not just referring to ones who were obvious snakes, I'm also referring to the ones who were wolves in sheep's clothing.

Well, Michael Jackson spoke clear words in his words in regards to his family. Very simple. He also spoke very honestly about his own feelings. And lastly he does not seem to equate love with money and an inheritance either which in turn makes me kiss the ground he walks on once more. Obviously love and forgiveness are not the same as a big amount of money to him. Michael obviously didn't feel like leaving anybody anything of out obligation and "what will the neighbors think"- that's quite a stand actually.
And I honestly don't think he would appreciate being called "naive".

People want to talk about Joe and the rest of the family seeing and treating Michael like a cash cow? What about these vultures in the industry, who although they had and have money, there can NEVER be too much money to have? What about Michael's OWN words when he called alot of these people "charlatans" who steal from and cheat their artists and strong arm them with a 'rule or ruin' philosophy? Not to mention the media, who were and still are willing participants and who are always on call for the next 'expose' and 'scandal' they can make on Michael for the right price. Michael has made alot of these people in the industry and in the media rich. These jerks are the ones who REALLY saw Michael as nothing but a cash cow. And don't get me started on the people who entered into Michael's life only to falsely accuse him and ruin his reputation and put his life and freedom in jeopardy. People on here are so busy spouting off and looking at the Jacksons with a critical eye, the Jacksons are the LEAST to worry about when it comes to greed and crookedness and the ability and THE MEANS to do real lasting harm to Michael. People on here can say what they want, but Michael's family did not put him in his grave. THAT is a fact!!

Again, who here is saying the family put him in his grave just because the estate objected to the sales of registered trademarks? Mixing apples and oranges again.
Of course Michael Jackson was rightly complaining about those that backstabbed him- but I didn't see any indication anywhere that he was leaving a gracious amount of money to his former extortionists, blackmailers and former employees who failed him big time. It's also not the estate's job to play hangman, grand jury, judge and jury in the case against the murderer(s) of Michael Jackson- they are administering the Estate of the late Michael Jackson.

I do take serious issue with law enforcement who seems to have a strange understanding of doing their job, but it's of no help to bark up the wrong tree- the Estate is not going to service legal justice in the death of Michael Jackson. We need to bark someplace else for that one.
 
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songs come under publishing/song writters and who owns the rights to it. if its songs mj owned the publishing rights to then whoever covers it has to pay a fee to the company that administer mjs songs. so kinda seperate to the estate. there were already ppl in place dealing with publishing payments etc.
 
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i have a question we've been seeing lots of different artists covering mj's songs at their concerts is that like the same thing or not?

no it's not the same thing.

all of the venues with live music have performance licences and pay licensing fees to organizations (different ones in different countries, examples include ASCAP, BMI). These allows any musician to perform any song they want in a performance and the original artists get royalties.

However you cannot record and release cover songs in albums without the direct approval of the composer / record company and/or directly paying royalties.

so for example if U2 wants to play "man in the mirror" as a tribute in their concerts they can do with without asking anyone as it's already covered by the performance licences of the venues (royalties and licensing fees are paid), however if they want to record,include and release "man in the mirror" in their upcoming new album they'll need to get approval from the appropriate people.
 
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at the end of the day some ppl on here are more fans of the family than they are of mj and their bubble has been burst interms of what mj wanted and thought. something every other fans knew about years ago.
 
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Joe is always Joe. however i don't think he is a bad man. in his mind, he is MJ's father. of course he has right to do a tribute for his son.

But is isnt a true tribute to Michael becuase it is a fund raising campaign for Joes endevour
of having a Jackson family museum and none of the benefits go to Michals estate or his
children_ If it was for a Michael Jackson museum approved by Michael estate that would be different.

The events purpose is to raise funds for Jackson family foundation using Michaels name
Joe Jackson and the event promoters have disguised this Fund raising campaign as a tribute to Michael


When Michael Jacksons's Estate starts plans for a Michael Jackson Museum
trust me they wont be soliciting Funds from fans to do so.
 
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Well let's be realistic Joe has a lawsuit against the will and the executors, his lawyer calls the executors frauds and crooks, he rallies people to get executors investigated, goes to media telling that executors hide "private" documents etc.. Joe and some of his children go around saying that the people around Michael killed him - even hinting executors..

So the executors are not friendly towards Joe who calls them crooks, liars, corrupt, frauds and possibly murderers... Can you really blame them? Nothing surprising or unexpected there..

Furthermore all the recent events (belt, museum and now this celebration) made me believe that Joe doesn't accept the executors (well no surprise there as well as he has the lawsuit) and their power. To me it looks like even if the executors were willing to sit down and talk, Joe isn't...

I also personally believe that Michael didn't want to do "business" with his father for a good portion of his life. Michael did openly shut down many projects of Joseph perhaps the latest being the family concert with All Good. The executors saying no to Joe is no different then Michael saying no to him.

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Thank you, thank you for making that so clear and hopefully all the people with their heads in the sand will now understand.

Point blank, if Michael jackson wanted his father to have anyhting to do with his Estate HE WOULD'VE MADE HIM AN EXECUTOR TOO! but not only did he NOT do that, he also left him out of The Will COMPLETELY!!! imagine papa Joe's face when he realised that fact!

If Joe or any other family member wants to honor Michael, they can start by showing some humility!
 
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no it's not the same thing.

all of the venues with live music have performance licences and pay licensing fees to organizations (different ones in different countries, examples include ASCAP, BMI). These allows any musician to perform any song they want in a performance and the original artists get royalties.

However you cannot record and release cover songs in albums without the direct approval of the composer / record company and/or directly paying royalties.

so for example if U2 wants to play "man in the mirror" as a tribute in their concerts they can do with without asking anyone as it's already covered by the performance licences of the venues (royalties and licensing fees are paid), however if they want to record,include and release "man in the mirror" in their upcoming new album they'll need to get approval from the appropriate people.


As usual, Ivy explains this perfectly clear.
Thank you very much, Ivy, I really learn a lot with your explanations!!
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But is isnt a true tribute to Michael becuase it is a fund raising campaign for Joes endevour of having a Jackson family museum and none of the benefits go to Michals estate or his children_ If it was for a Michael Jackson museum approved by Michael estate that would be different.

Yes, please!
how difficult is to understand this point? :scratch:

Honouring is one thing and profiting is another VERY different thing -_-
 
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THANK YOU!! I would be ticked off myself if I was being treated by the people who are supposed to be running my dead relative's estate like the Jacksons are being treated.

Michael knew his family before Branca, McClain and any others came into his life over the years. Many people on here automatically want to dismiss the Jacksons as greedy and opportunistic when they raise certain issues or do things without the estate's say so. While some members of the family have made questionable (yeah and even stupid) comments and actions, the entire family loved Michael, they are grieving for Michael and the way they are being treated as if THEY killed Michael is totally disrespectful. And for the record, even though Michael may have been carrying the load for the family at times, alot of Michael's more serious problems came from outsiders who successfully played the divide and conquer game. They knew of Michael's problems with Joe etc. They knew Michael outgrown being part of the Jackson 5/Jacksons. Even though in the beginning, Michael had a few good people within the industry working for him, as he gotten from being just a famous singer to the most famous entertainer in the world many of these people in the entertainment industry slithered into his life taking advantage of his kindness, naievity and insecurities and put that man through hell....MORE hell than Joe could ever put Michael through. And I'm not just referring to ones who were obvious snakes, I'm also referring to the ones who were wolves in sheep's clothing. Upstanding on the outside and sinister and calculating on the inside. These ones who were smiling in Michael's face while stabbing him in the back, while setting him up, while serving as sources for alot of salacious and harmful gossip about Michael which has been spread and accepted as truth for the past 17 or more years...even NOW a year after his death.

People want to talk about Joe and the rest of the family seeing and treating Michael like a cash cow? What about these vultures in the industry, who although they had and have money, there can NEVER be too much money to have? What about Michael's OWN words when he called alot of these people "charlatans" who steal from and cheat their artists and strong arm them with a 'rule or ruin' philosophy? Not to mention the media, who were and still are willing participants and who are always on call for the next 'expose' and 'scandal' they can make on Michael for the right price. Michael has made alot of these people in the industry and in the media rich. These jerks are the ones who REALLY saw Michael as nothing but a cash cow. And don't get me started on the people who entered into Michael's life only to falsely accuse him and ruin his reputation and put his life and freedom in jeopardy. People on here are so busy spouting off and looking at the Jacksons with a critical eye, the Jacksons are the LEAST to worry about when it comes to greed and crookedness and the ability and THE MEANS to do real lasting harm to Michael. People on here can say what they want, but Michael's family did not put him in his grave. THAT is a fact!!

I had to let it out because I for one have had enough of this crap!!

Stop disregarding Michael's WILL!!!!!
 
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The fact that he knew his family before the executors of his estates doesn't obligate Michael Jackson to leaving his family an inheritance. It's a will, not a therapy session.

Michael Jackson was an adult and as such fully capable to make decisions for himself and setting up things in a way that reflects his wishes. If Michael Jackson wanted his family to be involved in any way, shape or form in the care taking of his estate- he would have made sure of that. But he didn't- he made explicitly clear whom he doesn't want involved. He wants his 3 children taken care of and he wants the caretaker of his children taken care off. His will is a very clear reflection on whom he doesn't want involved in this.

I don't see the Estate coming after the family if they just wanted to celebrate his memory and honor him. I don't see the estate coming after me if I were to march myself down to the next pub that has an open mic night if I felt like honoring MJ by belting out into Give in to me tomorrow night.

However the estate said no to tacky belts and jewelry that featured registered trademarks. The estate is also going after everyone who is using registered trademarks, his likeness yaddayadda- this will include his family and everyone else who is not part of the executing estate. Legally his family does not make any difference. That might sound cruel but is just a fact.

Obviously it's a lot easier to reach people that are in the US which is another reason why certain people seem to love trying to stage things OUTSIDE of US jurisdiction where enforcement is a heck of a lot more difficult. Why are all the "tribute concerts" planned outside of the US? :cheeky: Filing an injunction is a lot easier in the US, that's for sure.

And honestly, I haven't heard major outcry from the Estate about Jermaine Jackson's repeated use of "Smile" on varies occasions, or maybe I missed it. I actually wished someone would have said "pleasepleaseplease pick another song".
Actually people got their tributes out of their systems for a while and that's good.
:cheeky:

I'm actual very cautious towards the Estate and hearing how they upped their earnings per court order made me think as well.
But the fact remains that if Michael Jackson wanted things differently than SOMEWHERE another will would have surfaced and the current and only legal will would have been contested. Am I surprised that Michael Jackson did not make another will after the trial? Yes.

But one thing is for sure: Everywhere around the world you can observe the SAME mechanism. If certain parties don't like the will of a deceased for a number of reasons, immediately speculation will be started about the diminished mental capacity, must have been signed under duress etc etc etc
While I am not a fan of Branca and McClain I am simply accepting for the moment that this will is the current legal will. If another lawyer had another will, they should have brought it forward.
Instead people start on this whole LA vs NY signature thing. When I had a restraining order against someone my first names was frequently misspelled- but that didn't stop the cops from enforcing the required action.

The will was surprising in many aspects but it spoke very clearly, namely that Michael Jackson does not want ANY of his family of origin (if you will) involved in ANY business decisions that carry his name.

You don't have to trash the Jackson family to simply accept the fact that Michael Jackson seemed to have very clear instructions on who gets what. In a way the will is a very clear reality check about many, many things.



That fact that I love someone is in no way obligating that person to reciprocate the feelings (if the feelings are mutual than of course that's rainbows and unicorns, I mean that) and in no way is my love for someone obligating the person loved by me to leave me an inheritance- unless required by law.

I can't see how the family is being treated by the estate as those that killed Michael Jackson, sorry. Certain family members are simply trying to re-transfer the name Michael Jackson back into the "Jackson Family" after his death by trying to build a "Jackson Family Museum" and making themselves again part of the equation by trying to hold a stake now in the active part of the legend building.
That's not trashing the family, that's just observing the happenings. I'd never trash any individuals on personal history without ever having met that person. This is simply an observation on public actions, not a judgement on private events. Things like this are public backlash on public actions. ("Family Museum", "signed belts" to be sold to the public).

Now, if the family wants to be part of the Legend building they will simply have to be smart about how to go about that.



Well, Michael Jackson spoke clear words in his words in regards to his family. Very simple. He also spoke very honestly about his own feelings. And lastly he does not seem to equate love with money and an inheritance either which in turn makes me kiss the ground he walks on once more. Obviously love and forgiveness are not the same as a big amount of money to him. Michael obviously didn't feel like leaving anybody anything of out obligation and "what will the neighbors think"- that's quite a stand actually.
And I honestly don't think he would appreciate being called "naive".



Again, who here is saying the family put him in his grave just because the estate objected to the sales of registered trademarks? Mixing apples and oranges again.
Of course Michael Jackson was rightly complaining about those that backstabbed him- but I didn't see any indication anywhere that he was leaving a gracious amount of money to his former extortionists, blackmailers and former employees who failed him big time. It's also not the estate's job to play hangman, grand jury, judge and jury in the case against the murderer(s) of Michael Jackson- they are administering the Estate of the late Michael Jackson.

I do take serious issue with law enforcement who seems to have a strange understanding of doing their job, but it's of no help to bark up the wrong tree- the Estate is not going to service legal justice in the death of Michael Jackson. We need to bark someplace else for that one.

Excellent post...
 
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Regardless of what you all may think of the Jackson family, regardless of what they may have said and done, they are Michael's family. It's deplorable the Jacksons (ESPECIALLY Michael's parents--who birthed him) are expected to stay on a very short leash and cow-tow to the 'executors' and get slapped down with constant attitude of "Nope, can't do this", Nope, can't do that", "We OWN Michael's likeness...now step off you useless nuisance peasants". I'm not suprised the media is going along with this attitude, acting like lap dogs seeking comments of approval or disapproval from the 'executors' whenever any Jackson member makes any type of attempt to do anything in tribute to Michael; but for fans to go along with it without question is pathetic.


Being a parent myself, I can see where you are coming from, but let's not forget this is the way Michael wanted it, according to his will, and I am sure, as we can see with this event, he had good reasons for his choices.
 
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Actually, being a parent myself I know exactly what is meant. Parents do not own their children, period. And there comes the point where any parent has to take responsibility for their actions toward their children- respect is a two way street.

Michael has made explicitly clear that he treats his children the way HE sees fit, not the the way he was raised and not because "that's how my parents raised me". He did his own thing. If my parental conduct warrants my child to set up his will in that kind of fashion, than that's just a consequence, not the cause. People seem to get that mixed up.

He said something very interesting with Bashir. "I don't every want my children to feel that way about me." Now, I'm fully aware of the Oxford speech and again, love and forgiveness do not equal an obligation on his part to let his parents be part of the estate. Michael Jackson must have wanted someone who play bloodhound- for a reason. He did not appoint any family members to be executors of the estate and therefore the family does not really enjoy any other benefits besides their own names.

I honestly do not understand why fans want treat Michael Jackson of all people as the defiant bratty little spoiled kid that owes his parents something. Michael Jackson set up a trust- which was a smart thing to do. I'm surprised that in essence people would like Michael Jackson to behave like the eternally co-dependent child within a frame of domestic violence. End of story.
There are so many things that have happened over the course of his 50 years that he already was the bigger guy on many of these things. You can forgive certainly forgive those that trespassed against you and live an okay life with that- it doesn't obligate him to ANYTHING and certainly not to appointing his family to executors of his estate.

Michael's sibling had decades to make their own names, doors must have opened left and right for them because of their brother. What they accomplished with those possibilities is completely up to them.
Of course it's hard to be standing in someone shadow- because it means you have to be at least an equal genius.

Do any of us get airtime over and over with Larry King just because we're fans to clear the record? Some of the fan would make outstanding advocates for Michael Jackson.

And of course you can honor your late brother. Found your own charity, work for a cause that your brother would cherish as well- you can always dedicate it TO him and nobody would say a word. Just don't take a registered trademark, that's all. Do you think the estate would go after people if they were to found the "Help all orphans" foundation ("dedicated to my brother, I love you')? I don't think so.
There are several in the family who want to go by singer/songwriter. Sit down and write your own song to someone you love. Fill an evening with songs you wrote for the person you love. You can sing MichaelMichaelMichael for 5 minutes in a song and the estate won't say a word. Paint an outstanding painting that you yourself have painted.
Nobody is going after those that come up with original ways of honoring Michael Jackson, whom they loved. Just don't be a copycat, do your own thing and you'll be alright.
If Jermaine would put out a song that he wrote himself from the bottom of his own heart and soul- you bet he'd get at least initial airplay, simply because he's his brother and I would say without envy, more power to you because you created this out of your own love for your brother. I'm not saying this to beat down on anyone, I'm mentioning this because this is a family that wants built a "Jackson Family Museum" commemorating themselves- and that's why I want to see why a Michael Jackson fan should be contributing to it.

Taking an MJ emblem and putting it on a belt is neither creative nor unique. It's just cheap.

Michael Jackson is the one who in 2002 felt like setting up a very short "leash" as someone here called it. He set up the an estate for Michael Jackson, not the Jackson Family estate.
 
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and there you have it


Forever Michael Memorial -- Not MJ Approved


For $150 a ticket, you can pay tribute to Michael Jackson on the one year anniversary of his death ... at the swanky Beverly Hilton Hotel. Problem is ... the event is not sanctioned by the people who control all things MJ.


"Forever Michael" is being thrown by The Jackson Family Foundation and VoicePlate.com. Joseph Fahmy, the guy who runs VoicePlate, tells TMZ Joe and Katherine Jackson, along with Michael's 3 kids are expected to attend. But sources connected with the family tell us ... Katherine and the kids won't even be in town on June 26 -- the day of the event.

According to the VoicePlate website, "A portion of the proceeds for this event will be presented to some of Michael Jackson's favorite charities at the event." As for what portion goes to charity and where the rest of the money goes ... Fahmy wouldn't say, although he did tell us he just hopes to break even.

And there's this ... Fahmy says Jackson songs will be sung the entire evening. It's all news to the Michael Jackson estate. Howard Weitzman, lawyer for the estate, tells TMZ, "No one ever contacted the Estate to see whether or not they would approve, participate in, or allow the use of Michael's name, likeness, image or intellectual property for this event."

Caveat emptor.

(Caveat emptor means buyer beware)

http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/07/michael-jackson-memorial-beverly-hilton-hotel-tribute-death/

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Dear Joe - I don't care what you do, I don't even care if people participate in your projects and give you money.. but whatever you do LEAVE MICHAEL'S KIDS OUT OF IT.

Sorry I had to rant..
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Very sad..... :( When Joe is going to stop? I think ever. :sigh:


May God continue to protect Katie and children of Michael. :angel: :pray:
 
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Actually, being a parent myself I know exactly what is meant. Parents do not own their children, period. And there comes the point where any parent has to take responsibility for their actions toward their children- respect is a two way street.

Michael has made explicitly clear that he treats his children the way HE sees fit, not the the way he was raised and not because "that's how my parents raised me". He did his own thing. If my parental conduct warrants my child to set up his will in that kind of fashion, than that's just a consequence, not the cause. People seem to get that mixed up.

He said something very interesting with Bashir. "I don't every want my children to feel that way about me." Now, I'm fully aware of the Oxford speech and again, love and forgiveness do not equal an obligation on his part to let his parents be part of the estate. Michael Jackson must have wanted someone who play bloodhound- for a reason. He did not appoint any family members to be executors of the estate and therefore the family does not really enjoy any other benefits besides their own names.

I honestly do not understand why fans want treat Michael Jackson of all people as the defiant bratty little spoiled kid that owes his parents something. Michael Jackson set up a trust- which was a smart thing to do. I'm surprised that in essence people would like Michael Jackson to behave like the eternally co-dependent child within a frame of domestic violence. End of story.
There are so many things that have happened over the course of his 50 years that he already was the bigger guy on many of these things. You can forgive certainly forgive those that trespassed against you and live an okay life with that- it doesn't obligate him to ANYTHING and certainly not to appointing his family to executors of his estate.

Michael's sibling had decades to make their own names, doors must have opened left and right for them because of their brother. What they accomplished with those possibilities is completely up to them.
Of course it's hard to be standing in someone shadow- because it means you have to be at least an equal genius.

Do any of us get airtime over and over with Larry King just because we're fans to clear the record? Some of the fan would make outstanding advocates for Michael Jackson.

And of course you can honor your late brother. Found your own charity, work for a cause that your brother would cherish as well- you can always dedicate it TO him and nobody would say a word. Just don't take a registered trademark, that's all. Do you think the estate would go after people if they were to found the "Help all orphans" foundation ("dedicated to my brother, I love you')? I don't think so.
There are several in the family who want to go by singer/songwriter. Sit down and write your own song to someone you love. Fill an evening with songs you wrote for the person you love. You can sing MichaelMichaelMichael for 5 minutes in a song and the estate won't say a word. Paint an outstanding painting that you yourself have painted.
Nobody is going after those that come up with original ways of honoring Michael Jackson, whom they loved. Just don't be a copycat, do your own thing and you'll be alright.
If Jermaine would put out a song that he wrote himself from the bottom of his own heart and soul- you bet he'd get at least initial airplay, simply because he's his brother and I would say without envy, more power to you because you created this out of your own love for your brother. I'm not saying this to beat down on anyone, I'm mentioning this because this is a family that wants built a "Jackson Family Museum" commemorating themselves- and that's why I want to see why a Michael Jackson fan should be contributing to it.

Taking an MJ emblem and putting it on a belt is neither creative nor unique. It's just cheap.

Michael Jackson is the one who in 2002 felt like setting up a very short "leash" as someone here called it. He set up the an estate for Michael Jackson, not the Jackson Family estate.


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Actually, being a parent myself I know exactly what is meant. Parents do not own their children, period. And there comes the point where any parent has to take responsibility for their actions toward their children- respect is a two way street.

Michael has made explicitly clear that he treats his children the way HE sees fit, not the the way he was raised and not because "that's how my parents raised me". He did his own thing. If my parental conduct warrants my child to set up his will in that kind of fashion, than that's just a consequence, not the cause. People seem to get that mixed up.

He said something very interesting with Bashir. "I don't every want my children to feel that way about me." Now, I'm fully aware of the Oxford speech and again, love and forgiveness do not equal an obligation on his part to let his parents be part of the estate. Michael Jackson must have wanted someone who play bloodhound- for a reason. He did not appoint any family members to be executors of the estate and therefore the family does not really enjoy any other benefits besides their own names.

I honestly do not understand why fans want treat Michael Jackson of all people as the defiant bratty little spoiled kid that owes his parents something. Michael Jackson set up a trust- which was a smart thing to do. I'm surprised that in essence people would like Michael Jackson to behave like the eternally co-dependent child within a frame of domestic violence. End of story.............

very well said.
 
Re: UPDATE : Jackson Family to Remember Michael at Anniversary Celebration Event / Not Estate Approv

"randyjackson8: My siblings & I knew nothing about this foundation or museum in Gary, nor r we a part of it. I do have concerns & I will be addressing it."

according to the above tweet from Randy. neither he nor his siblings know anything about the Jackson Foundation or a museum. so does this mean that the foundation is code for Joe wanting to do his thing -looks like when it comes to capitalizing on Michael's passing each person wants to do his or her own thing- forget the estate and Michael's wishes :no:
 
Re: UPDATE : Jackson Family to Remember Michael at Anniversary Celebration Event / Not Estate Approv

Rudeness is not tolerated. I trust you can discuss the issues at hand without name calling and using curse words etc, please do so. Thanks. :flowers:
 
Re: UPDATE : Jackson Family to Remember Michael at Anniversary Celebration Event / Not Estate Approv

Actually, being a parent myself I know exactly what is meant. Parents do not own their children, period. And there comes the point where any parent has to take responsibility for their actions toward their children- respect is a two way street.

Michael has made explicitly clear that he treats his children the way HE sees fit, not the the way he was raised and not because "that's how my parents raised me". He did his own thing. If my parental conduct warrants my child to set up his will in that kind of fashion, than that's just a consequence, not the cause. People seem to get that mixed up.

He said something very interesting with Bashir. "I don't every want my children to feel that way about me." Now, I'm fully aware of the Oxford speech and again, love and forgiveness do not equal an obligation on his part to let his parents be part of the estate. Michael Jackson must have wanted someone who play bloodhound- for a reason. He did not appoint any family members to be executors of the estate and therefore the family does not really enjoy any other benefits besides their own names.

I honestly do not understand why fans want treat Michael Jackson of all people as the defiant bratty little spoiled kid that owes his parents something. Michael Jackson set up a trust- which was a smart thing to do. I'm surprised that in essence people would like Michael Jackson to behave like the eternally co-dependent child within a frame of domestic violence. End of story.
There are so many things that have happened over the course of his 50 years that he already was the bigger guy on many of these things. You can forgive certainly forgive those that trespassed against you and live an okay life with that- it doesn't obligate him to ANYTHING and certainly not to appointing his family to executors of his estate.

Michael's sibling had decades to make their own names, doors must have opened left and right for them because of their brother. What they accomplished with those possibilities is completely up to them.
Of course it's hard to be standing in someone shadow- because it means you have to be at least an equal genius.

Do any of us get airtime over and over with Larry King just because we're fans to clear the record? Some of the fan would make outstanding advocates for Michael Jackson.

And of course you can honor your late brother. Found your own charity, work for a cause that your brother would cherish as well- you can always dedicate it TO him and nobody would say a word. Just don't take a registered trademark, that's all. Do you think the estate would go after people if they were to found the "Help all orphans" foundation ("dedicated to my brother, I love you')? I don't think so.
There are several in the family who want to go by singer/songwriter. Sit down and write your own song to someone you love. Fill an evening with songs you wrote for the person you love. You can sing MichaelMichaelMichael for 5 minutes in a song and the estate won't say a word. Paint an outstanding painting that you yourself have painted.
Nobody is going after those that come up with original ways of honoring Michael Jackson, whom they loved. Just don't be a copycat, do your own thing and you'll be alright.
If Jermaine would put out a song that he wrote himself from the bottom of his own heart and soul- you bet he'd get at least initial airplay, simply because he's his brother and I would say without envy, more power to you because you created this out of your own love for your brother. I'm not saying this to beat down on anyone, I'm mentioning this because this is a family that wants built a "Jackson Family Museum" commemorating themselves- and that's why I want to see why a Michael Jackson fan should be contributing to it.

Taking an MJ emblem and putting it on a belt is neither creative nor unique. It's just cheap.

Michael Jackson is the one who in 2002 felt like setting up a very short "leash" as someone here called it. He set up the an estate for Michael Jackson, not the Jackson Family estate.

Thanks for smart words and balanced opinion.
I really enjoyed reading this post, and I agree completely.
 
Re: UPDATE : Jackson Family to Remember Michael at Anniversary Celebration Event / Not Estate Approv

"randyjackson8: My siblings & I knew nothing about this foundation or museum in Gary, nor r we a part of it. I do have concerns & I will be addressing it."

according to the above tweet from Randy. neither he nor his siblings know anything about the Jackson Foundation or a museum. so does this mean that the foundation is code for Joe wanting to do his thing -looks like when it comes to capitalizing on Michael's passing each person wants to do his or her own thing- forget the estate and Michael's wishes :no:

buuuuuuuuuu
here we go again
the only thing we can do is LEARN our lesson to not trust all ventures using Michael's good name.
:no:
 
Re: UPDATE : Jackson Family to Remember Michael at Anniversary Celebration Event / Not Estate Approv

Actually, being a parent myself I know exactly what is meant. Parents do not own their children, period. And there comes the point where any parent has to take responsibility for their actions toward their children- respect is a two way street.

Michael has made explicitly clear that he treats his children the way HE sees fit, not the the way he was raised and not because "that's how my parents raised me". He did his own thing. If my parental conduct warrants my child to set up his will in that kind of fashion, than that's just a consequence, not the cause. People seem to get that mixed up.

He said something very interesting with Bashir. "I don't every want my children to feel that way about me." Now, I'm fully aware of the Oxford speech and again, love and forgiveness do not equal an obligation on his part to let his parents be part of the estate. Michael Jackson must have wanted someone who play bloodhound- for a reason. He did not appoint any family members to be executors of the estate and therefore the family does not really enjoy any other benefits besides their own names.

I honestly do not understand why fans want treat Michael Jackson of all people as the defiant bratty little spoiled kid that owes his parents something. Michael Jackson set up a trust- which was a smart thing to do. I'm surprised that in essence people would like Michael Jackson to behave like the eternally co-dependent child within a frame of domestic violence. End of story.
There are so many things that have happened over the course of his 50 years that he already was the bigger guy on many of these things. You can forgive certainly forgive those that trespassed against you and live an okay life with that- it doesn't obligate him to ANYTHING and certainly not to appointing his family to executors of his estate.

Michael's sibling had decades to make their own names, doors must have opened left and right for them because of their brother. What they accomplished with those possibilities is completely up to them.
Of course it's hard to be standing in someone shadow- because it means you have to be at least an equal genius.

Do any of us get airtime over and over with Larry King just because we're fans to clear the record? Some of the fan would make outstanding advocates for Michael Jackson.

And of course you can honor your late brother. Found your own charity, work for a cause that your brother would cherish as well- you can always dedicate it TO him and nobody would say a word. Just don't take a registered trademark, that's all. Do you think the estate would go after people if they were to found the "Help all orphans" foundation ("dedicated to my brother, I love you')? I don't think so.
There are several in the family who want to go by singer/songwriter. Sit down and write your own song to someone you love. Fill an evening with songs you wrote for the person you love. You can sing MichaelMichaelMichael for 5 minutes in a song and the estate won't say a word. Paint an outstanding painting that you yourself have painted.
Nobody is going after those that come up with original ways of honoring Michael Jackson, whom they loved. Just don't be a copycat, do your own thing and you'll be alright.
If Jermaine would put out a song that he wrote himself from the bottom of his own heart and soul- you bet he'd get at least initial airplay, simply because he's his brother and I would say without envy, more power to you because you created this out of your own love for your brother. I'm not saying this to beat down on anyone, I'm mentioning this because this is a family that wants built a "Jackson Family Museum" commemorating themselves- and that's why I want to see why a Michael Jackson fan should be contributing to it.

Taking an MJ emblem and putting it on a belt is neither creative nor unique. It's just cheap.

Michael Jackson is the one who in 2002 felt like setting up a very short "leash" as someone here called it. He set up the an estate for Michael Jackson, not the Jackson Family estate.

I just have to do this....:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:
 
Re: UPDATE : Jackson Family to Remember Michael at Anniversary Celebration Event / Not Estate Approv

Yeah that sounds like fun..
 
Re: UPDATE : Jackson Family to Remember Michael at Anniversary Celebration Event / Not Estate Approv

i don't think Michael would approve such an event...this is all for money...
 
Re: Jackson Family to Remember Michael at Anniversary Celebration Event

After comparing $250 ticket cost for this event to an actual Michael Jackson concert ticket cost, it doesn't seem appropriate to me.
i was just thinking the same,
 
so the performers are Genevieve Jackson and E-casanova
 
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