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Square One - Documentary about the '93 allegations

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Estate knows about it, but they can&#39;t publicly acknowledge it. I emailed about with asking that very question about Square One earlier this week. <a href="https://t.co/9MQOr6bcnB">pic.twitter.com/9MQOr6bcnB</a></p>&mdash; Alisa Young (@mementomoritwil) <a href="https://twitter.com/mementomoritwil/status/1273821621913104384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
ScreenOrigami;4294557 said:
former MJ guilter
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Loving the sound of this. :)

dam2040;4294562 said:
They are all weirdos who spend all day on twitter replying to any tweet with the words Michael Jackson in it.
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ScreenOrigami;4294564 said:
That&#8217;s the same the say about us, though. :D
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I think there's a crucial distinction that makes a huge difference tough: it's only natural that fans care about their favorites and are ready to invest time and emotion (or even intellectual efforts like studying legal documents) into their interests. The level of injustice that happened to MJ also explains the dedication and "activism" of his fans.

But what's the motivation of the haters? It's clearly not commitment for CSA, as they only react to MJ, not the topic itself. Plus the hater phenomenon isn't new, it existed way before the allegations (that's a justification for it, not the reason). I think the "closet fan" theory is the most closest to the truth: these people are immensely intrigued by MJ, but can't accept this fact for some reason, and this contradiction turns into some strange, obsessed hatred. Either way it's unhealthy and destructive behavior.

The natural reaction to someone you don't like is to try to avoid them and don't care about them at all. These people deliberately search for MJ topics, and often spend much more time and energy dealing with him then an average MJ fan.
 
ozemouze said:
Loving the sound of this. :)





I think there's a crucial distinction that makes a huge difference tough: it's only natural that fans care about their favorites and are ready to invest time and emotion (or even intellectual efforts like studying legal documents) into their interests. The level of injustice that happened to MJ also explains the dedication and "activism" of his fans.

But what's the motivation of the haters? It's clearly not commitment for CSA, as they only react to MJ, not the topic itself. Plus the hater phenomenon isn't new, it existed way before the allegations (that's a justification for it, not the reason). I think the "closet fan" theory is the most closest to the truth: these people are immensely intrigued by MJ, but can't accept this fact for some reason, and this contradiction turns into some strange, obsessed hatred. Either way it's unhealthy and destructive behavior.

The natural reaction to someone you don't like is to try to avoid them and don't care about them at all. These people deliberately search for MJ topics, and often spend much more time and energy dealing with him then an average MJ fan.
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You summed it up wonderfully.
 
ScreenOrigami said:
I briefly talked to that former MJ guilter on Twitter today, and he/she is really looking into things now. Watched Square One twice and intends to investigate further, but is already convinced MJ was set up. Turned out to be a nice person, actually. I have to readjust my view of the guilters. There seem to be a couple of critical thinkers among them, and this is where Square One is so valuable.
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It's nice to read experiences like this. I guess in this case the allegations were indeed the reason for his/her rejection of MJ (so not a "hater case"). I'm glad he/she was willing to watch Square One, it's amazing indeed, as that's the crucial and difficult part I think: the willingness of the public (plus the existence of a platform) to watch it - if these things are granted, the docu will speak for itself.

Thanks for contacting him/her BTW, it's already a big step and often enough if there's a conversation!

I just can't forget the sad part either, that obviously this person would have never been a guilter if the truth had been reported instead of feeding the public with lies for decades.
 
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ozemouze;4294687 said:
It's nice to read experiences like this. I guess in this case the allegations were indeed the reason for his/her rejection of MJ (so not a "hater case"). I'm glad he/she was willing to watch Square One, it's amazing indeed, as that's the crucial and difficult part I think: the willingness of the public (plus the existence of a platform) to watch it - if these things are granted, the docu will speak for itself.

Thanks for contacting him/her BTW, it's already a big step and often enough if there's a conversation!

I just can't forget the sad part either, that obviously this person would have never been a guilter if the truth had been reported instead of feeding the public with lies for decades.
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The person even apologized today and is now being attacked by their former buddies. I don&#8217;t want to embed all their tweets here, but here&#8217;s what they said:

&#8220;I openly apologise for the sh*t I said about Michael - but I genuinely believed what I did at the time. I am so angry with myself. &#8221;

:)
 
Just to clarify: I wasn&#8217;t personally involved in turning that person around. In fact, I had given up early on and blocked him/her. Only learned about the recent developments by retweets from the advocates. So, it wasn&#8217;t an easy case either.
 
ScreenOrigami;4294695 said:
The person even apologized today and is now being attacked by their former buddies. I don’t want to embed all their tweets here, but here’s what they said:

“I openly apologise for the sh*t I said about Michael - but I genuinely believed what I did at the time. I am so angry with myself. ”

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Good.
 
terrell;4294680 said:
You summed it up wonderfully.
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I agree 100%. There is something about Michael that actually “turns these haters on”. They don’t hate him, they WANT him. These haters are so obsessed with Michael, even they can’t control their emotions and turn their obsession into a love/hate situation. It applies to MSM and all of the other conspirators involved. The more Michael rejected them-fake accusers, media, Diean DEMONd,Geffen, et.al, the more their obsession desire/ want turned to “hate”.
 
terrell;4294680 said:
You summed it up wonderfully.
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I agree 100%. There is something about Michael that actually “turns these haters on”. They don’t hate him, they WANT him. These haters are so obsessed with Michael, even they can’t control their emotions and turn their obsession into a love/hate situation. It applies to MSM and all of the other conspirators involved. The more Michael rejected them-fake accusers, media, Geffen, et.al, the more their obsession desire/ want turned to “hate”.
 
somewhereinthedark;4294705 said:
I agree 100%. There is something about Michael that actually &#8220;turns these haters on&#8221;. They don&#8217;t hate him, they WANT him. These haters are so obsessed with Michael, even they can&#8217;t control their emotions and turn their obsession into a love/hate situation. It applies to MSM and all of the other conspirators involved. The more Michael rejected them-fake accusers, media, Diean DEMONd,Geffen, et.al, the more their obsession desire/ want turned to &#8220;hate&#8221;.
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It&#8217;s nearly impossible to actually dislike Michael, but at the same time they&#8217;re being told he&#8217;s a monster. I think a lot of this has to do with them subconsciously trying to convince themselves that he&#8217;s a monster to resolve this psychologically challenging situation.
 
Michael was too much in this world. I think people hate him because they wanna be him. Michael was nothing but a human being with talent and gave to the world. people can do that too.

they might don't have a talent but they still can do something to make them worth while.

everybody has their haters.
 
I really feel sorry for that person on Twitter right now. He/she gets a taste of their own medicine now, being called apologist and everything. But yet another one has just changed their mind, after watching Square One inspired by the debate. :)

The hater camp is losing ground and it&#8217;s beautiful to watch. :popcorn:

Also, those people go instantly back to listening to MJ again, so that kinda shows that in their hearts they always liked him.
 
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They have learned to hate him. I assume many of those people read tabloids and if you just read those for the last 40 years you learn to hate a person. They know nothing else but scandal after scandal and then his androgynous looks make him an even easier target. At the same time they see this weird, criminal odd looking guy continue to have a huge fanbase, score hit after hit, perform sell out concerts and gets celebrated on tv and they don't understand it because all they learned about him is that he buys elephant man bones, sleeps in oxygen chambers, plays with water balloons, builds spaceship landing spots, molests kids, turned his skin white, hates jews, is gay or never had sex or only has sex with kids, possesses extremely dirty porn with animals and kids, had secret porn chambers in his house etc

If you teach kids in school that racism is acceptable then they all become sworn racists. MJ never got a fair chance by professional journalists and media outlets. Thise people see us fans as worshippers of the devil without realizing they are being deceived.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watched Michael Jackson documentary Square One on Amazon Prime. Boy oh boy, talk about a hit job. Michael was innocent from day one. What people will do and say for money.</p>&mdash; Saheed Adepoju (@spacelyn) <a href="https://twitter.com/spacelyn/status/1274025823066968067?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
ScreenOrigami;4294695 said:
The person even apologized today and is now being attacked by their former buddies. I don&#8217;t want to embed all their tweets here, but here&#8217;s what they said:

&#8220;I openly apologise for the sh*t I said about Michael - but I genuinely believed what I did at the time. I am so angry with myself. &#8221;

:)
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Amazing progress. It's a big thing he/she apologised openly, but I actually think it's relatively the easier part, as the toughest must have been the first step: admitting to yourself that you were wrong. So kudos to him/her for that.

BTW apart from the MSM's unwillingness to report the truth, I think this psychological difficulty is the biggest obstacle in acknowledging MJ's innocence:
- you should face you were wrong - embarrassing,
- you were duped by the press - worrisome,
- the horrible treatment of MJ can't be justified anymore - scary it was allowed to happen and questions the convenient just-world hypothesis,
- on the top of that you, an otherwise good person, contributed to this injustice - how to deal with that?
It's simply easier and more comforting to insist on MJ's guilt than facing all this and wake up in a less just and safe world. :/

I also feel sorry for this person about being attacked by ex-fellow guilters now, hopefully he/she won't get harassed too much and is able to handle it, but the frightened reaction of the haters is very telling (I think they try to convince and reinforce rather themselves than their actual target).
 
ozemouze said:
Amazing progress. It's a big thing he/she apologised openly, but I actually think it's relatively the easier part, as the toughest must have been the first step: admitting to yourself that you were wrong. So kudos to him/her for that.

BTW apart from the MSM's unwillingness to report the truth, I think this psychological difficulty is the biggest obstacle in acknowledging MJ's innocence:
- you should face you were wrong - embarrassing,
- you were duped by the press - worrisome,
- the horrible treatment of MJ can't be justified anymore - scary it was allowed to happen and questions the convenient just-world hypothesis,
- on the top of that you, an otherwise good person, contributed to this injustice - how to deal with that?
It's simply easier and more comforting to insist on MJ's guilt than facing all this and wake up in a less just and safe world. :/

I also feel sorry for this person about being attacked by ex-fellow guilters now, hopefully he/she won't get harassed too much and is able to handle it, but the frightened reaction of the haters is very telling (I think they try to convince and reinforce rather themselves than their actual target).
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Now, ozemouzes posts are starting to be of such quality that I just sit back and enjoy the show of wisdom without posting :bow:
 
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Would be amazing if celebrities were to spread the word about this. It might be the only way for the media to pick up on it.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just saw the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SquareOne?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SquareOne</a> documentary and literally cried. If it weren&#39;t for all the money grabbing schemes he would probably still be alive today.</p>&mdash; Marilina Flores (@marilinaflo) <a href="https://twitter.com/marilinaflo/status/1274211277452214272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I didn&#39;t need to watch &quot;Square One&quot; to know that MJ was innocent but it was good to have it reaffirmed anyway</p>&mdash; Claude Andrew White (@claudewhite28) <a href="https://twitter.com/claudewhite28/status/1274509179898691584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Im watching square one and I just feel so so sorry for michael jackson</p>&mdash; Samira (@jokemp3) <a href="https://twitter.com/jokemp3/status/1274459113947189248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I opened the app and saw my TL fueled with non-MJ-fans saying:<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJacksonVindicated?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJacksonVindicated</a> &#55356;&#57119;<br>Their Daddy always was innocent and no one will ever be able to mute him! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SquareOneMJ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SquareOneMJ</a> &#55358;&#56688; <a href="https://t.co/FTHiiLJ50a">pic.twitter.com/FTHiiLJ50a</a></p>&mdash; Lois Jackson #1Billion4MJ (@lois_laniee) <a href="https://twitter.com/lois_laniee/status/1274654191416487936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rewatching Square One on Amazon , sincerely, everyone should see this documentary <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SquareOne?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SquareOne</a></p>&mdash; Lucy Wordsworth (wells) (@LucyWordsworth) <a href="https://twitter.com/LucyWordsworth/status/1274631369407299586?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
ScreenOrigami said:
So, to sum it up: people on Twitter are watching Square One. ;)
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This whole situation proves how important the platform is. Square One was available already on YouTube, but I guess those who watched it there knew these facts already (or at least were interested enough to investigate it). For the general public it needed the "verification" of an official channel/streaming service, and I can't even blame them for not trusting any random video, or not having the capacity to check the veracity of them (even if in this case it's the "random video" that shows the truth, while the HBO financed one is just a scam). Officially releasing something should mean it is indeed fact-checked and verified, and shame on these "professionals" for betraying the trust of their viewers.

It's a bittersweet situation really, it proves the case isn't hopeless and the majority of the public is willing to accept the truth - they won't go searching for it by themselves though, so the information must reach them through a mainstream channel they find more or less reliable.

Imagine the impact if Square One was was shown instead of LN on major channels all over the world, backed by the same enormous media campaign...
 
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Yep, I can absolutely understand why we look like a crazy cult to some. I mean, we&#8217;re telling people that those HBO and BBC documentaries are crap and they&#8217;d better listen to that dude on YouTube. Can&#8217;t blame anyone to be at least a bit suspicious of us. :D

Square One is now &#8220;legitimated&#8221; by being on Prime Video, even though it&#8217;s basically the same thing that has been on YouTube for a year. But it&#8217;s what makes all the difference to some.
 
It’s so awesome to see so many people have their opinions changed after watching Square One.
 
Square One is now BLOCKED in Germany since a few days back :cry:


 
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ScreenOrigami;4295106 said:
Yep, I can absolutely understand why we look like a crazy cult to some. I mean, we&#8217;re telling people that those HBO and BBC documentaries are crap and they&#8217;d better listen to that dude on YouTube. Can&#8217;t blame anyone to be at least a bit suspicious of us. :D
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I can see why this determination may seem pushy, but the fact is we have to make our voice heard without a real platform, through the constant cacophony of sensational headlines and lies from the MSM and 30+ years of character assassination. Of course we have to use every opportunity and "shout" to be heard. Even some "ex-guilters" said they used to think pro-MJ people were aggressive and crazy, but now understand they are just passionate and furious about the injustice.

But as soon as you figure out that everything is upside down in MJ's world, all comes together perfectly and things get new, often clear opposite meanings. Only that suddenly you also became part of this crazy secret society with a hidden knowledge, even unintentionally. :cool:
 
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