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    As is well known MJ intended the bad tour as his final tour yet he it's also well known that he felt at home on stage. He was born to be on stage and perform so why did he want the bad tour to be his final tour?
    Also why was he persuaded to do 2 more tours after bad? Was it financially motivated? Was he pressurized by fans demand or the record company?

    Either way I've always felt his heart wasn't in it in the final two tours. I know many love them and his "energy" on stage but imo he wasn't half as energetic as in his former tours including those as the J5.
    Why did I feel this? Because lots of miming obviously and also a lack of shaking up the setlist. He was an artist that always wanted to go to a next stage, to reinvent himself. His vocal style changed at least 3 times over his career, his dancing continued to evolve as well, it was always a surprise to me to find out what kind of style his next song was going to be. So for me it's surprising that he didn't have the same urge to try something different in concerts, his concert schedule never changed, he never did something unexpected while touring.

    I personally was never a fan of MJ trying to recreate his music videos on stage, I didn't want his songs to sound exactly like they did on the albums. Obviously he had a different idea and that's fine but it's the one thing I wanted to be different.

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    Back in those days, tours served as promotion for the album. Today it’s pretty much the other way around, because record sales went down due to streaming etc. Nowadays everyone is on tour all the time, making money from concert tickets and from merchandise sold at the shows.

    So, I guess touring to promote the new album was a factor in his unprecedented deal with Sony in 1991 (?). Add in a renewed sponsorship with Pepsi, and the idea of funding a foundation for the benefit of children, and you have some very good reasons to tour again.

    I don’t really see the contradiction. People change their mind as their goals change.
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    But if you love being on stage , then why do you say publicly right at your peak that you will stop touring? I still find it contradictory.
    I initially thought perhaps he meant to do one of concerts or smaller venues , no more world tours but since he never did those type of concerts either he clearly wanted to end every type of concert after 1989.

    The only reason I can think of is that he eyed more acting jobs or work in the movie business in general but that never really worked out (thank God lol)

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    But if you love being on stage , then why do you say publicly right at your peak that you will stop touring? I still find it contradictory.
    I initially thought perhaps he meant to do one of concerts or smaller venues , no more world tours but since he never did those type of concerts either he clearly wanted to end every type of concert after 1989.
    You can love ice cream, yet still at some point not want any more of it because you’ve had too much. Then, a while later when the belly ache is gone, you go and get some more. Where’s the contradiction?

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    The only reason I can think of is that he eyed more acting jobs or work in the movie business in general but that never really worked out (thank God lol)
    Yeah, keep being thankful that the man didn’t get to fulfill his lifelong dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post


    Yeah, keep being thankful that the man didn’t get to fulfill his lifelong dream.
    It's a good thing that MJ didn't get to become a full time actor, because he was a very average actor. He wouldn't have ever made it anywhere near the top of acting industry. I always believe that things happen for the best and it was good for MJ that he stayed in the music industry and kept on making music, because that was what he was good at, not acting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nite Line View Post
    It's a good thing that MJ didn't get to become a full time actor, because he was a very average actor. He wouldn't have ever made it anywhere near the top of acting industry. I always believe that things happen for the best and it was good for MJ that he stayed in the music industry and kept on making music, because that was what he was good at, not acting.
    This is a bold statement in MJ’s case … I wish he had gotten the chance to make a real movie and I’m convinced things would be very different today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    You can love ice cream, yet still at some point not want any more of it because you’ve had too much. Then, a while later when the belly ache is gone, you go and get some more. Where’s the contradiction?
    Yeah, keep being thankful that the man didn’t get to fulfill his lifelong dream.
    Hmm I don't think the ice cream comparison works :-P

    He had had many dreams, so many in fact he couldn't possibly fulfill them all. I wouldn't mind MJ turning into an actor provided he did musical films so I can at least still hear what he does best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JichaelMackson View Post
    I wouldn't mind MJ turning into an actor provided he did musical films so I can at least still hear what he does best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    Newsflash: You don’t get to decide other people’s choices.
    Whatever, it's clear I'm the villain again

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    Quote Originally Posted by JichaelMackson View Post
    Whatever, it's clear I'm the villain again
    No, you just don’t have a convincing point, in my opinion. When you start a thread you can’t expect everyone to agree with you. You asked for our opinion and I told you mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    No, you just don’t have a convincing point, in my opinion. When you start a thread you can’t expect everyone to agree with you. You asked for our opinion and I told you mine.
    Yes in a very derogatory way. I don't expect anyone to agree, I'm just opening a discussion, I don't even have a point I'm only saying I find it contradictory. Did MJ ever say why he wanted to stop touring?

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    Michael originally wanted to do film projects, but yeah other plans came into mind, like how successful the Dangerous album became, not much numbers as “Thriller”, but just as successful, he decided to support it for the Dangerous Tour and wanted to tour to donate his tour money to supports kids for his own Heal The World Foundation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JichaelMackson View Post
    Yes in a very derogatory way. I don't expect anyone to agree, I'm just opening a discussion, I don't even have a point I'm only saying I find it contradictory. Did MJ ever say why he wanted to stop touring?
    Well, if you read back through our conversation, it’s pretty easy to tell at which point it went south. I think the ha ha lol comment about MJ’s movie career that never happened was a bit insensitive and out of place if you’re interested in a nice and polite discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    Well, if you read back through our conversation, it’s pretty easy to tell at which point it went south. I think the ha ha lol comment about MJ’s movie career that never happened was a bit insensitive and out of place if you’re interested in a nice and polite discussion.
    I couldn't possibly see what was insensitive about that. A world class singer isn't automatically a world class actor either and vice versa. I'm sure he realized this himself at one point and that's why it never took off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nite Line View Post
    It's a good thing that MJ didn't get to become a full time actor, because he was a very average actor.
    No, no, no, I strongly disagree! He acted way too little to conclude he was average or otherwise, but I honestly think he had potentials and it would have been great to be able to find it out. He/we certainly got nothing to lose by trying it, at best he could turn out to be phenomenal, at worst we would have some cheesy stuff to watch on lazy afternoons.
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