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    Default Re: Lip Sync/Miming - the positive side :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbsaber01 View Post
    I have noticed on reaction videos that casual fans dont even notice the playback on the history tour at all. They are just enjoying the performance.
    Now that you mention it … I remember back in 2009, when MJ’s music was suddenly everywhere, I watched a concert on TV, and from all I know now, I assume it was a rerun of the HIStory in Munich show. As a casual back then, I didn’t even ponder the possibility that it was lip-sync or anything. I was just blown away by the show. Didn’t turn me into a fan right there and then, but I remember being impressed.
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    I often hear talk about MJ's voice that's different to his early 80s voice, personally I don't hear that much difference. I'm sure he could still sing his early songs pretty much the way he recorded them. Michael wasn't old when he passed away, he was too young for there to be a really big difference in his voice. I could be wrong though.

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    Michael wasn't exactly old when he die. he was in his early 50's. would have been 51 if he didn't die on the 25th of june. i say his vocals did change. they were different. but to me they sounds more mature.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbsaber01 View Post
    OTW medley was awful imo. Should have at least re recorded the audio. I have noticed on reaction videos that casual fans dont even notice the playback on the history tour at all. They are just enjoying the performance. On certain songs I have no problem with the lipsync (Jam, Smooth criminal, Dangerous etc) but YANA, OTW medley, SIM, should have been live imo. I agree his voice wasnt there this tour.

    They might not that impressed after learning that he lip-synced most of the concert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galactus123 View Post
    They might not that impressed after learning that he lip-synced most of the concert.
    Or they don't care

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    Quote Originally Posted by analogue View Post
    The fans who watch the HIStory Tour on Youtube and criticize it are the same fans who also watch the Bad and Dangerous Tour on Youtube, and they don't criticize those shows and give them extremely high praise (Aside from maybe a few nitpicks). You didn't need to be at the Bad and Dangerous tours to appreciate those. You can tell just by watching them that they were fantastically performed shows.

    There's a reason why the HIStory Tour gets a lot of criticism. And it isn't because people didn't attend those shows.
    Yes, ok, I understand what you mean. Of course, there is not a tiny doubt, that BAD and DANGEROUS were great tours + shows.

    But what I mean is: if you are a part of the audience, in this case within a HIStory-concert, you are a part of for instance 70.000 people - you experience it totally different comparing to a million time consumption of a youtube-video. In this one show you are standing just one time. If you donīt have the luck to stand in front of the stage but anywhere in the crowd, you are looking between many thousand dancing heads in direction to the stage - you donīt see a lot of Michael Jackson on stage. He is just a tiny sparkling dancer very far away. Unfortunately. You may say, there are the screens - yes, but only: screens. But you hear the sound - and the sound in those concerts was always great! Also the mood and the spirit of the audience! And I donīt believe that in such situation anybody has any sense to think about: does he sing live or does he lip sync? When does he switch the micro from this to that? Does it sound better or more rough or whatever in comparison to an album version? I fear if you are moving such thoughts you are not able to enjoy that one concert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flymetothemoon View Post
    but what i mean is: If you are a part of the audience, in this case within a history-concert, you are a part of for instance 70.000 people - you experience it totally different comparing to a million time consumption of a youtube-video. In this one show you are standing just one time. If you donīt have the luck to stand in front of the stage but anywhere in the crowd, you are looking between many thousand dancing heads in direction to the stage - you donīt see a lot of michael jackson on stage. He is just a tiny sparkling dancer very far away. Unfortunately. You may say, there are the screens - yes, but only: Screens. But you hear the sound - and the sound in those concerts was always great! Also the mood and the spirit of the audience! And i donīt believe that in such situation anybody has any sense to think about: Does he sing live or does he lip sync? When does he switch the micro from this to that? Does it sound better or more rough or whatever in comparison to an album version? I fear if you are moving such thoughts you are not able to enjoy that one concert.
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    I think miming (as I like to call it) takes a level of commitment that isn't easy. the artist has to have every minor detail of the song memorised from top to bottom. they must also coordinate their movements around, and in time with the pre-recorded vocal. one slip up could ruin the illusion. not everyone can pull it off convincingly. it's a fascinating artform in itself that i particularly enjoy
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    Quote Originally Posted by 83magic View Post
    I think miming (as I like to call it) takes a level of commitment that isn't easy. the artist has to have every minor detail of the song memorised from top to bottom. they must also coordinate their movements around, and in time with the pre-recorded vocal. one slip up could ruin the illusion. not everyone can pull it off convincingly. it's a fascinating artform in itself that i particularly enjoy
    But it will never feel spontaneous and it leaves no room for improvisation. I personally can't stand it. I compare it with an overdubbed film it's really hard to enjoy those. I don't care if impersonators mime and usually is for the better if they do but the real artist should do what he gets paid for imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by JichaelMackson View Post
    But it will never feel spontaneous and it leaves no room for improvisation. I personally can't stand it. I compare it with an overdubbed film it's really hard to enjoy those. I don't care if impersonators mime and usually is for the better if they do but the real artist should do what he gets paid for imo
    it can appear spontaneous for the audience if the song itself has been specially rearranged or remixed in a way previously unheard of. like at an award show, or a one-off event. maybe it is a medley?

    an artist miming to their own voice is not the same as an impersonator doing it to somebody else's. I don't enjoy or support that.

    to record a song is to preserve a moment in time. I liken it to keeping a fine painting in a gallery. the work has already been done, and is there to enjoy forever. why bother to try and recreate a lesser version of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 83magic View Post


    to record a song is to preserve a moment in time. I liken it to keeping a fine painting in a gallery. the work has already been done, and is there to enjoy forever. why bother to try and recreate a lesser version of it?
    Well this is an interesting point where you and I have a very different opinion. I often find a live version to be a better version because of the energy that comes with it. A perfect example for this is any performance I'e seen of "another part of me" and the vast majority of Jackson 5 songs for example that live version of "rockin robin" you posted in the J5 subforum.
    Also give a listen to "who's loving you" live at the forum. I find it extremely good, in fact legendary.

    I do think many of the post thriller tracks are harder to reproduce live with real instruments but it shouldn't be a perfect reproduction imo. For example the live versions of "one day in your life" in Mexico and Venezuela are different because the album track backing vocalists and lush strings are absent in the live shows but I think it is equally charming and as an added bonus there is more room for Michael's voice to shine because of the minimal production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JichaelMackson View Post
    but the real artist should do what he gets paid for imo
    I agree. if i'm going to a show to hear someone sing i want to hear them sing. also how much money i'm paying for it.



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    I already said earlier in this thread that it's what your opinions. if you don't care about paying money on lip singing then so be it but not everyone would agree. so at the end it's what you would do.



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    Being on stage is about giving your all. It's that connection and honesty with the audience that is so essential. The soul of the artist and nothing left off, the pure excitement and vitality of being alive in that moment.

    It is not deception, it is not placing barriers between you and your audience.

    Nobody will ever convince me that miming is impressive. Never.

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