Janet talks about 1/2 Sister and Joe

[Datsymay]

Why are some people so quick to jump and attack Janet? She didn't do anything wrong shes talking about her mother and what a strong person she is... whoever said Janet needs to grow up or get over it... lets see that happen to you. Its Janets family, she lived through it... some people are so quick to attack Janet - its like shes the bad Jackson or something. She hasnt done anything wrong. She didnt blast her father, you all know how the media twists words... and yet you are so quick to attack her. If it was a quote from Michael it would be a different story. I doubt you would tell him to 'grow up'.

I happens all the time, all around me. I see my friends not only sort the problem out but take the child into the family., Janet doesn't even speak to her sister. That is immaturity in my book.
I would like to hear that Janet acknowledges Jo'vonie, invite her and her daughter to her home and treat her like a sister. Jo is not responsible for her parents action. Just imagine if you were in Jo's position ans see your most famous brothers and sisters on tv and you can't even talk to them.

 

[Datsymay]

I like Janet alot. But I think she needs to concentrate on her music and keep her personal problems out if all this is true. The tabloids had a field day with the things she supposedly said about Michael with 20 Y.O. was coming out. I'm sure he wasn't happy if he found out. If she really feels that stuff still needs to be dealt with, she needs to keep it to herself and her family. And personally, I'm tired of reporters and interviewers pushing her for details about her personal issues in the first place and making her feel that she absolutely has to discuss these things with them and the world. What do her feelings about her parents and siblings have to do with anything regarding an album or anything else in relation to her career for that matter? Nothing. I think Janet should lay down the law regarding anything about her family business. No discussion. Period.

I agree. I think the jacksons are a tabloid fudder and if the media don't get something about their private life they don't want to know. But Jo'vannie is already a wounded soul. She doesn't need to hear her sister in the press talking about how her father betrauyed the mother by having her, esp when she degrades the girls mother by calling her a J5 fan. Not nice at all.

 

[mjfan4ever2009]

I feel for Joh'Vonnie also. But Katherine is the one that was most hurt by Joe's infidelity and she forbade any of them to speak to this girl even though it's not right. And the thing is, all of Katherine's children have alot of respect for her. And even though they are all grown now, she probably raised them with the age-old belief that children should honor their parents' wishes. And they are just afraid of making her angry. Michael, Rebbie and LaToya took a big chance before by going against Katherine and being nice to Joh'Vonnie. And Katherine might have been furious with them once she found out. Katherine's attitude isn't right. But her husband had an affair as well as a child from that. It probably has stuck with her all these years and she is reminded of that alot because I'm sure she's aware that the public is discussing it. That could be some of the reason for this. Of course, it's wrong to blame the child who didn't ask to be born. But Katherine might somehow remember her pain whenever the girl is mentioned or seen. I'm not trying to condone Katherine's actions if this is the case how Joh'Vonnie has been treated. But merely to see the flip side of the coin. But whatever, Janet shouldn't be talking about this in the media if she truely said these things at all. It's really nobody's business.

 

[Roxanne]

When Janet is speaking about her own feelings, she needs to take care that she doesn't hurt others in the process. I can quarantee you that if Jo'vonnie wanted to hurt that family the press would be right on her doorstep waiting to hear it. If Jo'vonnie wanted the limelight all she needs to do is say something about her treatment within that family. let her say that Janet refuses to acknowledge her, and see how that sounds. Jo'vonnie is fresh for the media, they would just eat her up. Janet should consider her sisters feelings as well as her mother's. That cannot be comfortable for her mother to hear Janet discuss her business in public. I do not think that Katherine will get a lot of public sympathy either if they know that she still refuses to acknowledge Jo'vonnie after 34 years.

they dont have to acknowledge her if they dont feel like it. if i was one of them i wouldnt have acknowledged her either,honestly. nobody says its her fault but if they dont wanna acknowledge her thats quite natural and understandable. she doesnt hurt anyone in the process of talking about her own feelings. joe hurt himself once he did those things. janet cannot hurt him anymore than he hurt his own self. janet is simply praising her mother for her kind and sweet spirit and her strength throughout the years. she didnt say anything bad about joh vonnie.

 

[Datsymay]

I feel for Joh'Vonnie also. But Katherine is the one that was most hurt by Joe's infidelity and she forbade any of them to speak to this girl even though it's not right. And the thing is, all of Katherine's children have alot of respect for her. And they are just afraid of making her angry. Michael, Rebbie and LaToya took a big chance by being nice to Joh'Vonnie. And Katherine might have laid into them once she found out. Katherine's attitude isn't right. But her husband had an affair as well as a child from that. That probably has stuck with her all these years and she is reminded of that alot because I'm sure she's aware that the public is discussing it. That could be some of the reason for this. Of course, it's wrong to blame the child who didn't ask to be born. But Katherine might be reminded of her pain whenever the girl is mentioned or seen. I'm not trying to condone Katherine's actions if this is the case. But merely to see the flip side of the coin.

Kathrine is a christian and she needs to lear to forgive,. Time is a great healer and she she let go and let time heal there won't be so much fristration and her children won't feel so bitter.
My best friend step father is a serial cheater. He has so many children outside marriage that I lost count. Every one of those children are loved and cared for by her mother. I ask her how and why her mother does it. Well faced with the choice of having no husband, then she chose to keep him. She had 8 children for him. My friends sister's husband cheated on her and had a kid the same age as her son. Of course she was hurt and they almost ended their marriage, but they decided to stay together and work things out. The little boy comes over for holidays and is treated as a part of the family.
I am not mad with katherine for being mad, but at the point where she decided to stay with Joe and work things out, she should also decide to acknowledge the child and allow her to be a part of the family. I cannot imagine the psychological trama that child has suffered by not having her father's family acknowledge her. It is compounded by the fact that they are always on tv and she has to watch them from the sidelines.

 

[Datsymay]

they dont have to acknowledge her if they dont feel like it. if i was one of them i wouldnt have acknowledged her either,honestly. nobody says its her fault but if they dont wanna acknowledge her thats quite natural and understandable. she doesnt hurt anyone in the process of talking about her own feelings. joe hurt himself once he did those things. janet cannot hurt him anymore than he hurt his own self. janet is simply praising her mother for her kind and sweet spirit and her strength throughout the years. she didnt say anything bad about joh vonnie.

You try and put yourself in jo'vonnies shoes for once and see how it would feel not to have you father's family acknowledge you. What they are doing is wrong. Human beings are being hurt. I do not care who they are. Forgiveness comes with healing. Kathrine has long forgiven joe. This happened 36 years ago and she has stayed with him. The family must accept JO now.

 

[Roxanne]

it wouldnt feel good but i would understand it and accept it. no i disagree, they dont have to accept her if they dont want to.

 

[Datsymay]

it wouldnt feel good but i would understand it and accept it. no i disagree, they dont have to accept her if they dont want to.

They don't Roxanne, but it is mean not to, esp when they represent love and understanding. It would have been very virtuous of Kathrine and her famous family to accept her. Kathrine is not the first this has happened to. Many have accepted the child, even within my own family. I know many families who do just that, and they are not famous or rich, Berry gordy accepted his from Diana ross, it happens all the time. A child is suffering because her father's family will not accept her through no fault of her own. That is not good.

 

[Roxanne]

i dont know whether shes suffering by this or not since i dont know nothing about her except her name. for all i know she could be just fine with it living her own life with her own family and friends.

 

[mj_brainiac]

You guys are acting like Janet is terrible or something because she doesn't speak to her sister. They didn't grow up together

Heck, I have a half sister who I haven't seen since I was an infant. Yeah she's my older sister and everything, but we don't have a connection other than the fact we have the same father.

It also doesn't mean they don't accept her. In Jermaine's ex wife's book, Rebbie, Jackie, Randy, Jermaine, Marlon, and perhaps Michael reconnected with her and they know who and where she is, there's just not a lot of closeness. To say they don't accept her.......we don't know what's transpired in their private lives, so we can't say that as proven fact. She has her own life and from what I know she lives in Las Vegas and is in touch with them.

Joh Vonnie's mother wasn't a J5 fan either. She was Joe's employee

 

[Datsymay]

i dont know whether shes suffering by this or not since i dont know nothing about her except her name. for all i know she could be just fine with it living her own life with her own family and friends.

She is deeply hurt Roxanne, as anyone would be if their own family refuses to acknowledge them. She had a friend who posted on MJNO board she said that she went to Neverland at a family gathering. MJ said hi, to her, but she could have been anybody. He did speak to her daughter,. Janet refuses to spek to her. Rebbie and latoya defied their mom and did go and visit her. Rebbie thinks it is wrong to treat he like that, but some members are too afraid of upsetting the mother, so she gets no love from the family. After 36 years, he family need to accept her in the family aqnd show her some love. This is too bad. I hear that she is very bright and she hopes to be a writer.

 

[mj_brainiac]

They don't Roxanne, but it is mean not to, esp when they represent love and understanding. It would have been very virtuous of Kathrine and her famous family to accept her. Kathrine is not the first this has happened to. Many have accepted the child, even within my own family. I know many families who do just that, and they are not famous or rich, Berry gordy accepted his from Diana ross, it happens all the time. A child is suffering because her father's family will not accept her through no fault of her own. That is not good.

Berry also didn't know Rhonda was his until she was a teenager or an adult.

We don't know what's gone on in the Jackson family. All we're doing is speculating. They are human afterall

 

[Datsymay]

You guys are acting like Janet is terrible or something because she doesn't speak to her sister. They didn't grow up together

Heck, I have a half sister who I haven't seen since I was an infant. Yeah she's my older sister and everything, but we don't have a connection other than the fact we have the same father.

It also doesn't mean they don't accept her. In Jermaine's ex wife's book, Rebbie, Jackie, Randy, Jermaine, Marlon, and perhaps Michael reconnected with her and they know who and where she is, there's just not a lot of closeness. To say they don't accept her.......we don't know what's transpired in their private lives, so we can't say that as proven fact. She has her own life and from what I know she lives in Las Vegas and is in touch with them.

Joh Vonnie's mother wasn't a J5 fan either. She was Joe's employee

It is Janet who claims hat she was a J5 fan according to the article. Jo'Vonnies friend used to post on a fanboard and told us what was going on with Jo. The story goes that she was being slighted by the family, esp janet. They may have visited her when she was little but they have very little to do with her now.

 

[Datsymay]

Berry also didn't know Rhonda was his until she was a teenager or an adult.

We don't know what's gone on in the Jackson family. All we're doing is speculating. They are human afterall

Well, unless the subject is closed, we will carryon with our speculating, as this is a forum.

 

[mj_brainiac]

It is Janet who claims hat she was a J5 fan according to the article. Jo'Vonnies friend used to post on a fanboard and told us what was going on with Jo. The story goes that she was being slighted by the family, esp janet. They may have visited her when she was little but they have very little to do with her now.

I understand, but there's two sides to the story. We have to take in both accounts.

Joh Vonnie is like the relative nobody knows about or mentions and she's suffering because she represents, to many of her half brothers and sisters, their father betraying their mother and entire family's trust.

Janet and the other siblings haven't had the best relationship with Joe to say the least. Their loyalty has always been to their mother and even though they may acknowledge her, it's going to be hard for them to fully accept her into their family, and that's pretty easy to understand. Jermaine had his daughter Dawn with another woman while he was married to Hazel Gordy, and Tito has a daughter who's about 19 or 20

It all comes down to this: They aren't close because they didn't grow up together and Janet and the others were on Katherine's side

 

[Datsymay]

I understand, but there's two sides to the story. We have to take in both accounts.

Joh Vonnie is like the relative nobody knows about or mentions and she's suffering because she represents, to many of her half brothers and sisters, their father betraying their mother and entire family's trust.

Janet and the other siblings haven't had the best relationship with Joe to say the least. Their loyalty has always been to their mother and even though they may acknowledge her, it's going to be hard for them to fully accept her into their family, and that's pretty easy to understand. Jermaine had his daughter Dawn with another woman while he was married to Hazel Gordy, and Tito has a daughter who's about 19 or 20

It all comes down to this: They aren't close because they didn't grow up together and Janet and the others were on Katherine's side

Well, after 34 years and a lot of experience under their belt you would think they would be healed by now. Every one of the jackson boys have done the same thing. That is , cheated on their wives. It is also endemic in hollowood where they grow up. You can be bitter as you want to when you are young, but when you grow up and become an adult and know how these things work, you need to accept that these things happen, The most painful thing in a relationship is when the man packs his bag and leaves the wife and children. That is where most of the damage is done. Janet did not lose her father. She is luckier than many.
My father cheated too. Many men cheat in relationships. Nearly every man I know have cheated in their marriage. The wife has to decide whether she wants the marriage to end or to continue. Once they decide to stay together, they need to satart all over. Malice and pent up feelings will harm their health, esp after 36 years. Not good at all. Janet should know better at her age.

 

[strawberry45220]

just because everybody cheats doesn't make it right or acceptable and yeah most of Jacksons have been cheated or been cheated on, and that's certaintly because of Joe, he didn't exactly set the best example for his sons, so if he's doing ,more chances are they're going to learn that behavior from him , and chances are your daughter is going to marry someone who is a cheater because once again it's acceptable because your father is doing it. so yeah he messed up his family a lot his infedelitlly and Janet did forgive her father but doean't mean you forget it or accept it. and as as usuall dymansty is attacking Janet ,

 

[mj_brainiac]

Because not all siblings are just gonna accept their frequently unfaithful father's illegitimate child. Things don't always work out that way.

The 9 siblings have been through alot. Considering the circumstances, how they've felt in the past about Joesph, and how close they all are to their mother to this very day. There's always gonna a sense of separation between the Jacksons and Joh'Vonnie.

Not only that, the kids felt cheated. Joe actually showed Joh Vonnie affection and a sense of love .Joe wouldn't let them call him "Dad," worked them and was in someway abusive and here he is showering this child with gifts, all while knowing that Katherine won't leave him

Those effects show in Michael, Janet, and the others.

 

[Datsymay]

Because not all siblings are just gonna accept their frequently unfaithful father's illegitimate child. Things don't always work out that way.

The 9 siblings have been through alot. Considering the circumstances, how they've felt in the past about Joesph, and how close they all are to their mother to this very day. There's always gonna a sense of separation between the Jacksons and Joh'Vonnie.

Not only that, the kids felt cheated. Joe actually showed Joh Vonnie affection and a sense of love .Joe wouldn't let them call him "Dad," worked them and was in someway abusive and here he is showering this child with gifts, all while knowing that Katherine won't leave him

Those effects show in Michael, Janet, and the others.

They are adults. Grown ups that are very rich and famous. I am sure they wouldn't have wanted to stay in Gary and work in the steel mill or end up in state prison where so much of their friends are, or worse dead. They cannot have everything. They had to make sacrifices. They are lucky they had a father. Many kids don't even know where theirs are. WE must all learn to count our blessings and stop focussing on the negative, fans need to stop making excuses for people that whine when people have had everythhing on a silver platter. I live amongst and work with some of the most deprived people. I have no time to suffer fools. People who grew up in the lap of luxury isn't going to get sympathy cause daddy didn't let thim call them dad. As if Joseph would have stopped them if they really wanted to; please. I have no tme for this nonsense when so many children are starving for food and love.:mello:

 

[Datsymay]

just because everybody cheats doesn't make it right or acceptable and yeah most of Jacksons have been cheated or been cheated on, and that's certaintly because of Joe, he didn't exactly set the best example for his sons, so if he's doing ,more chances are they're going to learn that behavior from him , and chances are your daughter is going to marry someone who is a cheater because once again it's acceptable because your father is doing it. so yeah he messed up his family a lot his infedelitlly and Janet did forgive her father but doean't mean you forget it or accept it. and as as usuall dymansty is attacking Janet ,

Joe did not invent cheating dear. It has been going on since the beginning of time. David cheated by taking his friends wife. Solomon had mutiple wives, Abraham took a woman for a wife when Sarah couldn't have children. it is all over the bible.Nothing is new under the sun.
What Joe did happened 37 years ago. If Kathrine felt that she could no longer live with Joe, then she should have ended the marriage, but she decided not to divorce him. When she did that, then it is on her to allow what happen to heal, not carryon with this for 37 years, and Janet, a woman of 42 and 2 husbands under her belt should not allow her father's infidelty to breathe within her for so long, she needs to let it go; but I actually believe she did let it go, but I truly believe that she is raking up the past to create publicity and controversy for her album. It is not going to work Janet. The public is not interested in what Joe did 37 years ago, esp when half the population are either cheating or solving marital problems.Cheating is not big news anymore, not even in the church.

 

[Datsymay]

Anyway, I'm done with this topic. I have said all I have to say on the matter, so I will not be responding to any more posts.

 

[Roxanne]

It is not going to work Janet. The public is not interested in what Joe did 37 years ago, esp when half the population are either cheating or solving marital problems.Cheating is not big news anymore, not even in the church.

:rofl: :rollin:

 

[TeharaMJ]

Datsymay - I note you did say you wont be responding further..but I had to share this. I don't think you or anyone can tell Janet or any of her siblings to grow up and be adult about a circumstance that you nor I experienced. You do say that you have had similar experiences but how you may react and how Janet Jackson and her siblings may react DOES NOT have to be the same.You also say nearly every married man cheats...a very hap hazard generalised comment. We should take Janet's words and emotions for what it is, rather than trying to be some kind of moral councellor judging her decisions on a VERY personal issue.

 

[cinderella]

michael never cheated on a woman he had a relationship with and he was in love with. debbie wasnt even living in neverland when michael and her were supposedly "married".
they had no relationship while they were married.
they got married because she had his children and katherine insisted that michael marries her while she was carrying his kids. they both knew they were gonna get divorced as soon as paris was born.

:huh:

something new for me.....

and I usually don't discuss Michael's private life

 

[Roxanne]

:huh:

something new for me.....

and I usually don't discuss Michael's private life

sorry if i brought up his private life i thought that this is what ppl are doing in many threads inc this one. when ppl bring up his vitiligo or lisa marie or even his kids thats private....
i didnt say anything wrong
debbie said it herself in the trial. they were not living together. they had no relationship. they married just for the kids.

edit: u need to check out the transcript of her testimony if u dont believe me

 

[Forever_Mike]

Joe did not invent cheating dear. It has been going on since the beginning of time. David cheated by taking his friends wife. Solomon had mutiple wives, Abraham took a woman for a wife when Sarah couldn't have children. it is all over the bible.Nothing is new under the son, What Joe did happened 37 years ago. If Kathrine felt that she could no longer live with Joe, then she should have ended the marriage, but she decided not to divorce him. When she did that, then it is on her to allow what happen to heal, not carryon with this for 37 years, and Janet, a woman of 42 and 2 husbands under her belt should not allow her fathers infidelty to breathe within her for so long, she needs to let it go, but I actually believe she did let it go, but I truly believe that she is raking up the past to create publicity and controversity for her album. It is not going to work Janet. The public is not interested in what Joe did 37 years ago, esp when half the population are either cheating or solving marital problems.Cheating is not big news anymore, not even in the church.

I swear you crack me up sometimes Datsy! :lol: :lol: :lol: Very true tho', I agree with, also its not about trying to tell Janet how she should feel etc etc but come on, Janet has grown up in this business, has seen what these sort of things do (the whole Latoya saga anyone). It doesn't work in the end you end up loosing any respect people had for you and it doesn't help careers either. So its very strange for Janet to be talking about these issues 37 years later after the release of her album. I think she could have praise her mother without bringing the whole 'half-sister, joe' issues. I am just hoping that she has learnt from Toya's mistakes.

:rofl: :rollin:

Datsy got you too! :toofunny: :toofunny:

 

[Love.him]

I don't believe she said all that.

 

[Bee.]

Let me say this - MJ did cheat on Debbie. Debbie even said so. When she was preggers with Paris, she was asked where was MJ at? She said that MJ was with LMP. Now, he was married so why was he with his ex wife at that time? MJ had a picture of a young LMP in his nightstand while married to Debbie. MJ and Debbie never lived together. He brought her a house.

Another woman name Shana Manatgal said that MJ messed with her before he was with LMP. There are rumors and MJ and June Chandler (the mother of that fool Jordan) and messing around. MJ is in the business and cheating on their love one is practically normal. MJ and his brothers grew up around that. I am not saying that it is right, it is sure not right, but it happened. Let's not assumed that MJ didn't mess around with other women that were not his. Also, we all know MJ cheated on Debbie. We can almost believe that he did. Any man would cheat on her....let me stop. :lol:

Back to Janet - knowing that contactmusic.com has been know to be uncredible, I will take this with a grain of salt until the Parade magazine comes out in newspapers across the country. Do I think Janet should stop talking about her father like this? You better believe it. Janet needs to accept the fact that her father was what he was. At the end of the day, you do not choose your family. She should give her father a call and see what he is doing instead of "trashing" him just to sell CDs. The fact her parents are ALIVE to see their grandchildren having children is a BLESSING! She needs to understand that. Should she start building a relationship with her half sister? You know it. At the end of the day, that is her sister. She needs to give her a call and hang out with her. Stop this trash talking of her blood. It is her family. We all have our issues with our families, but at the end of the day, if something terrible happens to them, I would be so devastated. I hope Janet understand that. She should talk about the greatness of her family.

michael never cheated on a woman he had a relationship with and he was in love with. debbie wasnt even living in neverland when michael and her were supposedly "married".
they had no relationship while they were married.
they got married because she had his children and katherine insisted that michael marries her while she was carrying his kids. they both knew they were gonna get divorced as soon as paris was born.

 

[Cinnamon234]

ahh thats sads that they are not close to their half-sister, she had nothing to do with it

I agree.....

 

[Bee.]

Why are some people so quick to jump and attack Janet? She didn't do anything wrong shes talking about her mother and what a strong person she is... whoever said Janet needs to grow up or get over it... lets see that happen to you. Its Janets family, she lived through it... some people are so quick to attack Janet - its like shes the bad Jackson or something. She hasnt done anything wrong. She didnt blast her father, you all know how the media twists words... and yet you are so quick to attack her. If it was a quote from Michael it would be a different story. I doubt you would tell him to 'grow up'.

Why should MJ fans tell MJ to grow up when he always acted like the adult and not an angry, bitter child like Janet? Just asking. Janet needs to let the past be the past and promote her music.