they are probably running the same scam they tried to run on michael. making there sons falsely accuse people of sexual advances then settling out of court. corrupt bastards.
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they are probably running the same scam they tried to run on michael. making there sons falsely accuse people of sexual advances then settling out of court. corrupt bastards.
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The kids are guilty too. Chandler and the Arvizo kids are both old enough to tell now the truth.Chandler isn´t a kid anymore!!!
He should speak first with the Jackson family if he can keep the money even if he is telling that Michael was innocent-I´m 100% sure the Jacksons would say OK because it is better if Chandler say Jackson is innocent and keeps the money than Chandler saying nothing and keeping the money.
If they don´t come out with the truth the next couple of month both of them are beyond guilty for me
mjlovergurl003
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i will never forgive anyone who inflicted any pain on Michael.Dr. Murray has a speacial place in hell reserved just for him. All the others like Jordan Chandler, the Arvizo Family, Dian Diamond, Gloria Alred, Tom Sneddon, and Joan Rivers who has done nothing but make fun of Michael since he passed can all die horrible deaths and rot in the very firey pits off hell where they all belong!! I will never forgive any of them ever. I would rather die then to forgive those assholes.
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Oh yeah, I know the kids are guilty too, especially now that they're not saying he's innocent. They should have tried to fight their parents then saying that Michael wouldn't do that to them, so why lie about him. I read somewhere that Chandler said his father abused him, but I don't know if I believe him.
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His father abused him?? A reason more for Chandler to tell the truth and speak against his terrible father! With telling the truth Chandler can payback his father and heal his soul.
Does anyone have his address so we can write him a letter?
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:agree:
Michelle MC
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I really wish I could remember where I read this, but I don't think it was anywhere here. I think he said his father abused him and forced him to lie about Michael.
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I have no hatred for Dr. Murray, I don't hate anyone. I think he was ignorant for being MJ's doctor and giving him those variety of drugs. The only person I have the most anger towards is Martin Bashir, I feel his documentary is what made people feel they had proof to ridicule and shun MJ.
Michelle MC
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I'm sorry, I got my other post to you wrong. Jordan claims his father abused him, but not in 1993. Here's where I found my information:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lVUvOLdg50&feature=related
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Yes I will forgive him
If I want to be forgiven for my trespasses
and mistakes _ I must be willing to forgive others ..
Its harder for me to forgive Sneddon becuase he wanted to hurt Michael
he had an agenda and the journalist who used and abused Michael
continually and still do so _ but I have learned to do that becuase of Michael
and my faith in God _ I cant do it on my own _
I dont believe Dr Murry had any malice or intention of hurting Michael
but he should still do time for the gross neglegence and indifference
to providing him proper care caused Michael death
Hating someone and not forgiving is not going to help
you or Michael one bit _ it will just causes bitterness and
will rot you from the inside out _ thats why Michael kept
a pure heart and a forgiving heart _ he couldnt do what he
did or bring his message of love to the world without it.
I want to continue Michaels message
I dont want to condone or spread hate or unforgiveness
but I dont judge others _ they have to find what is right
in their own heart and follow it _ I know it is harder to forgive
It takes strength and faith in God will give us strength to do that
So we can continue Michael legacy and what he stood for in this world.
We will never find peace without forgivness :better:
If I want to be forgiven for my trespasses
and mistakes _ I must be willing to forgive others ..
Its harder for me to forgive Sneddon becuase he wanted to hurt Michael
he had an agenda and the journalist who used and abused Michael
continually and still do so _ but I have learned to do that becuase of Michael
and my faith in God _ I cant do it on my own _
I dont believe Dr Murry had any malice or intention of hurting Michael
but he should still do time for the gross neglegence and indifference
to providing him proper care caused Michael death
Hating someone and not forgiving is not going to help
you or Michael one bit _ it will just causes bitterness and
will rot you from the inside out _ thats why Michael kept
a pure heart and a forgiving heart _ he couldnt do what he
did or bring his message of love to the world without it.
I want to continue Michaels message
I dont want to condone or spread hate or unforgiveness
but I dont judge others _ they have to find what is right
in their own heart and follow it _ I know it is harder to forgive
It takes strength and faith in God will give us strength to do that
So we can continue Michael legacy and what he stood for in this world.
We will never find peace without forgivness :better:
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MJsBollywoodGirl7
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I will never ever forgive that murderer. Because he killed the love of my life. And any hope of ever getting to meet Michael. For 25+ years I had always dream of meeting Michael one day. Now the only way I get to be with Michael is in my dreams. I'm sorry but that murderer needs to have the same thing done to him. That he did to Michael. I have always knew right from the very begining that Michael was murdered. I knew it was because of that horrible vivid MJ dream that I had. A little more than a week after it happen. It was telling me what Michael's final minutes might have been like. I had never had a dream that was that clear and vivid before. I was horribly shaken and upset when I had woken up from that dream. And that was the 3rd dream that I had that came true for me. I am a true believer in karma. If he can't be arrested and thrown in to prison where he belongs forever. Then let God himself self serve the ultimate justice for that murderer. I just hope he enjoys spending an eternity in hell.
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I think if Chandler would need any forgiveness from Michael and us for 90s, he should have to say some good words for Michael's protection in the case of 2000s.. He hadnt done it, so I dont think he will ever do..
As for Bashir, he said a few good words for Michael.. but only AFTER his death when his ridiculous documentary did the harm to Michael.. Would u better think first, Martin, before do something?!
As for Murray, I really hate him but at the same time I dont wanna keep that hate in my heart so I'm just thinking now what Michael would do if it had happened to someone whom HE loved so much.. but I dont know the answer yet.. :-(
As for Bashir, he said a few good words for Michael.. but only AFTER his death when his ridiculous documentary did the harm to Michael.. Would u better think first, Martin, before do something?!
As for Murray, I really hate him but at the same time I dont wanna keep that hate in my heart so I'm just thinking now what Michael would do if it had happened to someone whom HE loved so much.. but I dont know the answer yet.. :-(
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I had a dream too, very vivid. Like Michael tried telling me he was hurt and the dr hurt him. He wants us to listen. He wants us to know the truth. And yes I listened to him.
No!! Icannot forgive anyone that hurt Michael and will never forgive them.
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Sometimes my negative feelings towards someone do scare me... at times I do not know any mercy figthing back... then it's really all coming out and somehow I do hope for Dr. Murray I'll never meet him somewhere.
Then again I usually am a very controlled person and I do not hold on to my negative feelings, do not think too much about them when I simply can't work them out, I don't like it to feel constantly anger and pain, so I focuse more one the positive in my life.
I am a forgiving person, very much so... BUT it certainly depends on my understanding for the circumstances, the person AND very much on if there is a change... meaning if the person is not only apologizing but also living consequences making it possible to believe the change.
I do not like to let someone hurt me more often... well no... usually not more than twice.
With Murray... well he simply is not a part of my life. And the happenings protect me for sure to ever let him become a part of my life. So I think it doesn't matter at all if I will forgive him or not... I see it not up to me. If Michael will forgive him... if the children will... I'd be the last person to question that honestly. For now I just know I do not know neither him, nor the circustances of what really went on... I refuse to judge him yet... that's for sure better up to others knowing facts and details.
But yeah from what we know by now I'm certainly not objective anymore... still it's not at all up to me to forgive him something I feel... not yet.
I do think he's responsible for a huge loss in my life yes but I also feel that's not the whole picture... and I will not judge as long as I only think and do not know for sure.
Then again I usually am a very controlled person and I do not hold on to my negative feelings, do not think too much about them when I simply can't work them out, I don't like it to feel constantly anger and pain, so I focuse more one the positive in my life.
I am a forgiving person, very much so... BUT it certainly depends on my understanding for the circumstances, the person AND very much on if there is a change... meaning if the person is not only apologizing but also living consequences making it possible to believe the change.
I do not like to let someone hurt me more often... well no... usually not more than twice.
With Murray... well he simply is not a part of my life. And the happenings protect me for sure to ever let him become a part of my life. So I think it doesn't matter at all if I will forgive him or not... I see it not up to me. If Michael will forgive him... if the children will... I'd be the last person to question that honestly. For now I just know I do not know neither him, nor the circustances of what really went on... I refuse to judge him yet... that's for sure better up to others knowing facts and details.
But yeah from what we know by now I'm certainly not objective anymore... still it's not at all up to me to forgive him something I feel... not yet.
I do think he's responsible for a huge loss in my life yes but I also feel that's not the whole picture... and I will not judge as long as I only think and do not know for sure.
Vinter
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That's what I am thinking now about.. I suppose it is very right..
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I dont know about forgiving just yet, but I don't hate the man (or the families for that matter). If there's one thing Michael tought me throughout the years, it's to focus on the good in life. I'd rather invest my energy in loving those around me then hating on these people.
Karma or whatever you believe in will deal with them one way or another.
Thats not up to me.
Karma or whatever you believe in will deal with them one way or another.
Thats not up to me.
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if i trully talk what i have in my mind i'll get banned from this forum , coz i wont be easy on that shitty Dr.
but all i can say " I'LL NEVER EVER FORGIVE A MURDERER "
no matter what happens, i wish he will be in jail till the rest of his life, so he can suffer .
but all i can say " I'LL NEVER EVER FORGIVE A MURDERER "
no matter what happens, i wish he will be in jail till the rest of his life, so he can suffer .
My_HeartBreaker
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I don't forgive easily. I've only forgiven one person in my life - to forgive the man who murdered Michael Jackson will never have my grace or forgiveness
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God did not forgive to judas,
do you know why?
because judas knew what he was doing!
when you know you are doing something terrible,
but you continue doing it you do not deserve any forgiveness!
just it's not natural.
you are sorry?
WTF?!
if you have not realized what were you doing ar did not wanted
and now you feel sorry i undersand!
but you knew you were killing him, you could stop any time, you could save him!
but you did not do it and now you are sorry?
interesting why?
you are just saving your skin so get out!
No forgiveness!
do you know why?
because judas knew what he was doing!
when you know you are doing something terrible,
but you continue doing it you do not deserve any forgiveness!
just it's not natural.
you are sorry?
WTF?!
if you have not realized what were you doing ar did not wanted
and now you feel sorry i undersand!
but you knew you were killing him, you could stop any time, you could save him!
but you did not do it and now you are sorry?
interesting why?
you are just saving your skin so get out!
No forgiveness!
MarielovesMJ
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I don't know if I am willing to forgive the the doctor who killed MJ, I will always be angry at him.
the mother needs locking up
agreed with all
no comment needed
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My_HeartBreaker
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Is it wrong to hope he sufferers?
Earth_Song1
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I love your license tag!!
AmberR
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Are you serious? Or Is it a joke?
Murder Murray and Forgiveness in the same sentence.
Tell me something, you trust your doctor with your father, mother, brother, sister, son or daughter. That doctor was just being negligent, he/she 'killed' your loved one. Would you forgive that doctor? I will not.
Can anyone console and make Prince, Paris, Blanket or Katherine wipe their tears and smile? I can not.
This doctor killed a SINGLE FATHER who adored his 3 lovely children. He was the world to his kids. His kids only had ONE parent.
Law contains punishment for NEGLIGENCE.
I've read above some people say 'wasn't this(forgiveness) MJ lived for?
Well, MJ didn't live for or support a doctor who kills his/her patient(s) due to negligent, not that I know of.
If this doctor had done 'wrong' negligently but he had saved MJ's life and MJ is still breathing, I would've forgiven him, of course.
As we had said final goodbye to Michael like 4 days ago, and still can't believe the fact the he is no longer with us, I WILL NEVER EVER FORGIVE THIS MURDERER.
Murder Murray and Forgiveness in the same sentence.
Tell me something, you trust your doctor with your father, mother, brother, sister, son or daughter. That doctor was just being negligent, he/she 'killed' your loved one. Would you forgive that doctor? I will not.
Can anyone console and make Prince, Paris, Blanket or Katherine wipe their tears and smile? I can not.
This doctor killed a SINGLE FATHER who adored his 3 lovely children. He was the world to his kids. His kids only had ONE parent.
Law contains punishment for NEGLIGENCE.
I've read above some people say 'wasn't this(forgiveness) MJ lived for?
Well, MJ didn't live for or support a doctor who kills his/her patient(s) due to negligent, not that I know of.
If this doctor had done 'wrong' negligently but he had saved MJ's life and MJ is still breathing, I would've forgiven him, of course.
As we had said final goodbye to Michael like 4 days ago, and still can't believe the fact the he is no longer with us, I WILL NEVER EVER FORGIVE THIS MURDERER.
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AmberR
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Exactly, everybody who accused and framed Michael ,they knew what they were doing - it was INTENTION to destroy his career and life. WE DON'T FORGIVE THEM.
Same goes to this doctor - He was/is doctor, he knew what he was doing. it was INTENTION to kill Michael.
FORGIVENESS - Pllllllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssseeeee
AmberR
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I'm with you. Thanks