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why did Michael call nurse Lee and not Murray on the 21st

Klein said that MJ asked someone working in his office for an

anesthesiologist a couple of weeks before June 25th. I'm not

saying that he did or didn't. We don't know that, but, if he did,

I can't find any other reason why other that, for some reason,

he wasn't happy with Murray. Maybe MJ learned that Murray

wasn't to be trusted as a doctor, and that could also be the reason

why he called the nurse on June 21st regardless of what Murray

could have said about the symptoms MJ was experiencing.

What I can't fit there is why the nurse could not reach MJ after

getting out of the ER? If MJ had wanted her to go to his house

that day , what could have suddenly made

him lose interest in at least listening to her opinion?
 
I think he never called her and it was a total fabrication by Michael's "Security" to plant the story that he wanted drugs, i.e propofol. Or, to plant the story in advance that Murray would give him propofol. There is NO corroboration that anyone from Michael's house ever called her.

She is a NURSE, not a doctor. She was not even in the same state. It makes NO sense that he would call her. There are great doctors and hospitals in L. A. and he knew that. It makes absolutely NO sense for him to call her, and I think it never happened. Michael was health-conscious, and he had children, and I'd expect he'd want to stay ALIVE for them? If he was "cold on one side, hot on the other," he would have gone to a freakin' HOSPITAL, if he could get anyone to even take him there?

This never happened, and "Lee" has now vanished from the talk-shows and from everywhere. May she ROT, for whatever she was paid, to go on the LKL show. IMHO.

Carry on, and please, be very, VERY suspicious.. . .of everything?

Vic
 
The ONLY reason I believe her is she was the first person to mention propofol. This was before TMZ found out, then TMZ dug more and it was then confirmed. How could she have guessed out of thin air this drug which is VERY uncommon was involved. Maybe it was a big conspiracy and they used her in some way? I don't know.
 
Victoria83 said:

She is a NURSE, not a doctor. She was not even in the same state. It makes NO sense that he would call her.

Vic
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I don't remember the exact titles other than Nurse Practitioner, but she is medically
qualified to do more than a Licensed Nurse is.
She was in FL that day but lives in CA. MJ wouldn't have known where she was since
it had been a couple of months or so since they had last spoken.
 
I remember when Cherilynn Lee was asked about the person that made the phone call, she replied something like 'I'm not ready to call any names at the moment'. She didn't know who it was? or she knew but didn't want to say? or maybe she didn't want to say because she was lying about the phone call?...who knows..

I personally want to believe her. At least she didn't support the story about Michael's drug addiction.
 
artik said:
I remember when Cherilynn Lee was asked about the person that made the phone call, she replied something like 'I'm not ready to call any names at the moment'. She didn't know who it was? or she knew but didn't want to say?
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It could be that she didn't want to tell names to the media but only

the police, or that she wasn't sure who the person on the phone was.
 
artik said:
I personally want to believe her. At least she didn't support the story about Michael's drug addiction.
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Yes, she didn't say that Michael was an addict. BUT, she did say Michael "begged" for drugs, when he really didnt! No one can tell me that's not strange. I believe she was setting the roots for the drug addiction story so that when it eventually came out, people would believe it more because that is what drugs addicts do, they BEG.

It's all manipulation.

Also, she probably didn't say drug addict to make it seem like not everyone knew. Because if so many people came out into the media declaring he was an addict, it would make people wonder since people are saying that he is healthy and he had no problems. To have all these doctors and managers coming out all of a sudden saying DRUG ADDICT DRUGG ADDICT and nothing but that, something doesn't really seem right....

But anyways, I believe her MAIN mission was to announce that he BEGGED
 
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Transcript of Cherilyn Lee interview
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/30/transcript-of-cherilyn-lee-interview/

Cherilyn Lee: "well, I received a call, I was in Florida. And unfortunately, I was actually in the hospital myself in the E.R. in Florida. And I received the call and I could hear Mr. Jackson in the background saying please have her come see me now. Can she come now? And the person in on the other end, which I know the person, but I’d prefer not to give out their names. Because they know me quite well said that Mr. Jackson really, really needs you. He is experiencing - they told me the symptoms and I said that is very serious, you need to go to the hospital. Unfortunately I’m not in town so I cannot come and see you. But you need to go to the hospital. I’m very - I was really afraid because of the symptoms he was telling me."

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Cherilyn Lee: "what happened was, I was actually at the hospital myself. I was in the emergency room in St. Petersburg. And was being admitted myself. So I tried to call back later and I could not reach anyone. And I was - I was in Florida for a couple of days there. When I arrived back in L.A., I still was trying to reach, you know, I could not reach anyone. So I didn't know whether or not he had gone."
 
Yes, she didn't say that Michael was an addict. BUT, she did say Michael "begged" for drugs,
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he asked her about diprivan she told him it was dangerous showed him books etc he told her his doc had said its fine aslong as someone is watching. she was going down the begging route she was the one who came out and said he isnt a druggie he was clean
 
ElleBella said:
The ONLY reason I believe her is she was the first person to mention propofol. This was before TMZ found out, then TMZ dug more and it was then confirmed. How could she have guessed out of thin air this drug which is VERY uncommon was involved. Maybe it was a big conspiracy and they used her in some way? I don't know.
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Yes she was the first person of all to mention propofol involvement to the public, which makes me think too that she must have some idea about something.

I don't know if she's being truthful or not but I just hope the LAPD are not overlooking her.
Who know's maybe she's been told to keep quiet by the cops now due to the investigation?

I'm confused though about the dates she gave for events. Like she said she showed MJ books and articles about how unsafe propofol is, but when did this occur? Also, was it her who said she was asked by MJ to observe him one night, to show her how he couldn't sleep? I'm not sure but think it was her and she said she sat in the corner and he was trying to sleep but also watching donald duck or something loudly on his laptop and had music on?
 
daisydaisy said:
I'm confused though about the dates she gave for events. Like she said she showed MJ books and articles about how unsafe propofol is, but when did this occur? Also, was it her who said she was asked by MJ to observe him one night, to show her how he couldn't sleep? I'm not sure but think it was her and she said she sat in the corner and he was trying to sleep but also watching donald duck or something loudly on his laptop and had music on?
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Yes. It was her, and she showed him the physician desk reference ( PDR)

in April after MJ mentioning Diprivan for the first time. Then, he asked if

she could find an anesthesiologist for him.
 
Quiet about what? It seems to me that she has already shared

what she knows other than making public the name of the person

who was on the phone with her on June 21st, which she must have

given to the police.

I don't find that strange.
 
Victoria83 said:
I think he never called her and it was a total fabrication by Michael's "Security" to plant the story that he wanted drugs, i.e propofol.
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So, you don't believe MJ was looking for someone to give him

Propofol?
 
rainny said:
So, you don't believe MJ was looking for someone to give him

Propofol?
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who knows?

how do we know for sure Michael knew what exact substances were in those bags? when he believed they were giving him certain medications, was it really what he asked for? we don't know.

And one thing I'm feeling in my guts, is that Michael did not ask for propofol that night (even if he did ask for it before)....I just have this strange feeling he didn't ask for it on june 24th.

sometimes i wish i could be on the investigative team in this case. but im not an investigator :(
 
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rainny said:
Yes. It was her, and she showed him the physician desk reference ( PDR)

in April after MJ mentioning Diprivan for the first time. Then, he asked if

she could find an anesthesiologist for him.
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Cheers

kasume said:
who knows?

how do we know for sure Michael knew what exact substances were in those bags? when he believed they were giving him certain medications, was it really what he asked for? we don't know.

sometimes i wish i could be on the investigative team in this case. but im not an investigator :(
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The sad thing is that there is no way of knowing this answer I think :(

Yeah me too, all I hope is that the investigation is not a sham, maybe some of the investigators are fans too??
 
Victoria83 said:
I think he never called her and it was a total fabrication by Michael's "Security" to plant the story that he wanted drugs, i.e propofol. Or, to plant the story in advance that Murray would give him propofol. There is NO corroboration that anyone from Michael's house ever called her.

She is a NURSE, not a doctor. She was not even in the same state. It makes NO sense that he would call her. There are great doctors and hospitals in L. A. and he knew that. It makes absolutely NO sense for him to call her, and I think it never happened. Michael was health-conscious, and he had children, and I'd expect he'd want to stay ALIVE for them? If he was "cold on one side, hot on the other," he would have gone to a freakin' HOSPITAL, if he could get anyone to even take him there?

This never happened, and "Lee" has now vanished from the talk-shows and from everywhere. May she ROT, for whatever she was paid, to go on the LKL show. IMHO.

Carry on, and please, be very, VERY suspicious.. . .of everything?

Vic
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I agree with you.
I believe Nurse Cherilyn Lee
comes straight out of "Central Casting".
 
totally disagree with you, Lee is one of few people i find credibole in this mess.
 
The problem is that we cannot verify any of the reports. The only facts in the case come from the search warrant affidavit of Detective Martinez--and those facts get watered down because it is just what Lee and Murray told the detectives. If Michael had been using Propofol before, why ask Lee back in January about the drug and its safety? Then, call her on Father's Day, the Sunday before he died, supposedly Amir placed the call--why if Murray was there? And, if her advice was "get him to the hospital" why didn't they? Where was Murray--girlfriend's?? All very suspicious. First, you have the call by Amir to Lee on Sunday, then on Wednesday Michael supposedly told Frank he wasn't feeling well-and Frank denies that---Michael had a live-in doc, and he's telling everyone but Murray that something is wrong??? Could it be that Michael didn't trust Murray--indeed never requested him, as Frank and Randy say, - after all it was AEG who was paying for Murray--and even then the question of no signed contract--Murray says there was one, perhaps he signed, but neither Michael nor AEG did. and Lee is nowhere to be found--convenient??? That offshore account and retirement in the Caymans is sounding better and better to Murray I bet. After all, he's still out there practicing in Houston and the LA DA may not even bring charges--and if there are it will probably only amount to a slap on the wrist--heck the Medical Board isn't even considering pulling this man's license--WTH

Instead once again they are demonizing Michael, making him out to be this out-of-control addict---puhhlease--yet he passed that rigorous physical just a few months earlier---can an addict do that??? And when does a cardiologist wean a patient from Propofol????

They're all involved--this was a very well orchestrated plan--and so far it's working--dang!!!!
 
dirtydiana27 said:
. If Michael had been using Propofol before, why ask Lee back in January about the drug and its safety? Then, call her on Father's Day, the Sunday before he died, supposedly Amir placed the call--why if Murray was there?
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He didn't ask Lee about safety, and he didn't mention Propofol

to her until April. Then, it was her who spoke to him about it

not being safe while he kept telling her that he would be all

right if monitored.
 
dirtydiana27 said:
Then, call her on Father's Day, the Sunday before he died, supposedly Amir placed the call--why if Murray was there?
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I read the call was made by Faheed Muhammed ( ? ).

According to the nurse, it was Sunday afternoon, and Kai Chase

said that Murray would leave in the morning and come back at

night, so, most likely, he wasn't in the house. As to why call

Lee instead of Murray, well, maybe he did call Murray, but MJ

knew that he wasn't an anesthesiologist, and it had been Lee

who read symptoms about Propofol to MJ from the Physician

Desk Reference book ( PDR). Maybe he trusted Lee more than

Murray. I would too.
 
dirtydiana27 said:
Lee is nowhere to be found--convenient???
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Why do you say that she is nowhere to be found?

She spoke her story to the media and the police and was

again interviewed by Diane Demon after her name showed

up in the affidavit.
 
MichaelMySoul said:
True. At first I thought I had all the answers, that there only was one explaination for this story but this is more complicated than we think. I am left more and more confused the more I read about this. I dont know the answers, infact I dont know anything at all.
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I hear you.....
 
Victoria83 said:
I think he never called her and it was a total fabrication by Michael's "Security" to plant the story that he wanted drugs, i.e propofol. Or, to plant the story in advance that Murray would give him propofol. There is NO corroboration that anyone from Michael's house ever called her.

She is a NURSE, not a doctor. She was not even in the same state. It makes NO sense that he would call her. There are great doctors and hospitals in L. A. and he knew that. It makes absolutely NO sense for him to call her, and I think it never happened. Michael was health-conscious, and he had children, and I'd expect he'd want to stay ALIVE for them? If he was "cold on one side, hot on the other," he would have gone to a freakin' HOSPITAL, if he could get anyone to even take him there?

This never happened, and "Lee" has now vanished from the talk-shows and from everywhere. May she ROT, for whatever she was paid, to go on the LKL show. IMHO.

Carry on, and please, be very, VERY suspicious.. . .of everything?

Vic
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Interesting.............
 
I stand corrected --information overload LOL--yes it wasn't until April--Easter Sunday that Michael spoke to Lee about Propofol--and yes it was Faheem Muhammad, Michael's bodyguard who called Lee for Michael on Father's Day--and I don't think he said he'd be alright if monitored--only that his "doctor" said it was safe. Trust Lee more than Murray--don't you wonder why these people were out making statements, and then they're gone--in the background--many have done that--statements go missing--videos go missing. Did you consider that maybe the reason Lee came forward was because Murray implicated her to LE, saying that she had been giving Michael a propofol cocktail. Murray isn't an anesthesiologist and he had been treating Michael for 6 weeks--50mg of Propofol each night??? Who are we to believe??? I don't believe any of them, there had to be people on the inside--and Murray and Lee just make it more easy for the public to get back onboard with Michael the addict--the pampered superstar who could get whatever drugs he wanted.


and I totally agree with Vic:

"I think he never called her and it was a total fabrication by Michael's "Security" to plant the story that he wanted drugs, i.e propofol. Or, to plant the story in advance that Murray would give him propofol. There is NO corroboration that anyone from Michael's house ever called her.

She is a NURSE, not a doctor. She was not even in the same state. It makes NO sense that he would call her. There are great doctors and hospitals in L. A. and he knew that. It makes absolutely NO sense for him to call her, and I think it never happened. Michael was health-conscious, and he had children, and I'd expect he'd want to stay ALIVE for them? If he was "cold on one side, hot on the other," he would have gone to a freakin' HOSPITAL, if he could get anyone to even take him there?

This never happened, and "Lee" has now vanished from the talk-shows and from everywhere. May she ROT, for whatever she was paid, to go on the LKL show. IMHO."
 
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Faheed Muhammed was supposedly the person who introduced Nurse Practitioner Lee to Michael for his children when they had colds and he asked what else she can do and she introduced him to these IV vitamin cocktails.

Supposedly Murray noticed the IV needle marks on his hands and questioned Michael.

Now honestly, I think the only reason she came forward was to be sure she had her say on the news because her name was brought up during the investigation and she wanted to clear herself of any wrong doing.

This is a police investigation and telephone records can be searched and there was one made to her supposedly and she had to come up with some story.

I believe a lot of this is 'story' and not actual facts. I want to believe her, but I just don't. I think she is covering her butt and thats all. If you pull apart the case and take out the dialogue in all aspects and just go on facts, there is a lot that doesn't add up.

I see no reason to call her if there was no involvement. Period. He had his own internet and could have looked things up for himself and by her own admission she had never heard of Propofol before he asked and had to look it up.

I don't believe the entire account of what Murray supposedly gave or did but I am not sure he lied entirely and that it was just police theory in part.

The vitamin cocktails would have been "Myer's Cocktails" which I believe she is known for giving. These are given through an IV and many have said they are wonderful and there are also some reports that they can be dangerous if not mixed properly and the Magnesium in these can cause "HOT/FLUSHED" reactions too.

Does it mean something? I don't know. I am not sure I believe most of her story and those of you who keep thinking that blood tests prove Michael was not on any drugs are not understanding the basics between a normal blood test and a blood test for drugs. Or a urine screen for drugs. You don't find drugs unless you specifically look for them and you can not test for them unless you get permission from the person who is being tested.
 
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