Neverlend auction 2009/Colony Capital/AEG/Sony?

[Asedora]

Just was trying to put some dots together. Please, correct me if there is a mistake or I missed something.
1.March 19 2009. Neverland ranch had to be sold on auction. http://www.theinsider.com/news/687277_Neverland_Ranch_is_to_be_sold_at_auction_March_19
We know that Colony Capital and Dr. Tomhe Tomhe was dealing with MJ finance and Neverland ranch as well. Tomhe Tomhe has a direct connection with “Nation of Islam”.
Nation of Islam probably had a connection with prince Abdulla. Not sure about that.
2.March 5th. Michael’s shows in London an official announcement. Looks like he was pushed to do those concerts in London because of the auction in March 19 2009. Those dates match pretty well.
3. AEG was paying for the rent of MJ house. Why?
4. Michael is under pressure. At the same time he visits Dr, Klein office 2-3 times a week.
5. Michael tells fans that he didn’t plan to do 50 shows. Follow fans saw him under terrible pressure. Michael lost a lot of weight. Somehow this info became public. AEG was denying everything.
6. 2 weeks before MJ death the family and fans were cut off completely. It happened next day when information from fans became public. Michael was not available to anybody anymore.
7. At the same time 2 weeks before this tragic day, Michael somehow hired John Branca back, which looks very suspicious..
7. June 25 2009. Everything was over. Nobody called 911 on time. No phones in the house etc. Dr.Murray was hired by AEG some sources say. Now AEG is trying to deny this fact.
8.The same day Uri Geller gives numbers of rubbish interviews to tabloids calling Michael a drug addict.
9. Next day Tomhe Tomhe showed up with 5 million dollars cash and gave money back to the estate. This number 5 million dollars perfectly matches with the number of what prince Abdulla wanted to get from Michael for accommodations and ice cream for MJ kids when Michael stayed in Bahrain.
10. October 2009 Sony releases “This is It” CD with a new song. Money keep coming…
11. AEG made “This is It” movie… Money still keep coming… . Everybody is happy.

It took less than 4 months to drive Michael do death.

 

[Autumn II]

Asedora, thanks. Not sure about the date Tohme returned the cash, though. I think it was much later? Also add (if possible) the date Tohme was fired, and when DiLeo came back. (There is a timeline stickied at the top of the page. That stuff may be in there?)

I believe Abdulla had already been paid-off -- by AEG -- in a settlement. (remember, they settled out of court?) That was part of the money Michael owed to AEG. Also at that time, Michael's doctors (which ones?) said he was too sick to travel to London. The judge said, "Put a bandage on it and come anyway." Put a bandage on WHAT? Never was explained. Remember that?

Also, not sure if Tohme's connection to the Nation of Islam has ever been proven, although there are suggestions of that. Tohme has connections to both Colony Capital, and AEG. He was married to Randy Phillips sister? He brokered the deal with AEG and boosted the number of concerts from ten to fifty. He is also a partner in Colony Capital, that bought a substantial percentage of Neverland. It was not so much a "re-finance," as a co-ownership.

AEG was paying Michael's rent, staff, and living expenses. The key element here is that they were paying "staff," including body-guards. Michael had lost the ability to hire/fire his own staff. They were also to pay Murray. The only ones who've said Murray was the doctor Michael "wanted" have been AEG execs.

The very first reporting of Michael's death was that it was due to a Demerol overdose. People climbed out from under rocks to talk about Michael's "drug problems." But Murray surely knew there was no Demerol in Michael's system, and then there was Nurse Lee's pronouncement of PROPOFOL! The narcotics addiction "story" quickly went away. And on, and on. . . . .

 

[Asedora]

AEG was paying Michael's rent, staff, and living expenses. The key element here is that they were paying "staff," including body-guards. Michael had lost the ability to hire/fire his own staff. They were also to pay Murray. The only ones who've said Murray was the doctor Michael "wanted" have been AEG execs.

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Thank you Vic. It basically means that Michael didn't control ANYTHING. He was like living in the cage. Ppl controlled him including Tomhe Tomhe, AEG bosses, doctors etc. When the cage was closed, he was dead. That's all. What I was trying to say, Neverland was Michael’s weak points. The conspiracy group found out it after Bashir’s interview with Michael. It is very obvious that Colony Capital was involved in Neverland auction on March 19th.
I wonder why they do not talk about selling Neverland ranch anymore after Michael’s death.

 

[Maria MJ]

Oh they will be too cautious with NL.
Reportedly there may be oil underneath.

 

[HemlockDevi]

Just was trying to put some dots together. Please, correct me if there is a mistake or I missed something.
1.March 19 2009. Neverland ranch had to be sold on auction. http://www.theinsider.com/news/687277_Neverland_Ranch_is_to_be_sold_at_auction_March_19
We know that Colony Capital and Dr. Tomhe Tomhe was dealing with MJ finance and Neverland ranch as well. Tomhe Tomhe has a direct connection with “Nation of Islam”.
Nation of Islam probably had a connection with prince Abdulla. Not sure about that.

2.March 5th. Michael’s shows in London an official announcement. Looks like he was pushed to do those concerts in London because of the auction in March 19 2009. Those dates match pretty well.

3. AEG was paying for the rent of MJ house. Why?
4. Michael is under pressure. At the same time he visits Dr, Klein office 2-3 times a week.

5. Michael tells fans that he didn’t plan to do 50 shows. Follow fans saw him under terrible pressure. Michael lost a lot of weight. Somehow this info became public. AEG was denying everything.

6. 2 weeks before MJ death the family and fans were cut off completely. It happened next day when information from fans became public. Michael was not available to anybody anymore.

7. At the same time 2 weeks before this tragic day, Michael somehow hired John Branca back, which looks very suspicious..

7. June 25 2009. Everything was over. Nobody called 911 on time. No phones in the house etc. Dr.Murray was hired by AEG some sources say. Now AEG is trying to deny this fact.

8.The same day Uri Geller gives numbers of rubbish interviews to tabloids calling Michael a drug addict.

9. Next day Tomhe Tomhe showed up with 5 million dollars cash and gave money back to the estate. This number 5 million dollars perfectly matches with the number of what prince Abdulla wanted to get from Michael for accommodations and ice cream for MJ kids when Michael stayed in Bahrain.

10. October 2009 Sony releases “This is It” CD with a new song. Money keep coming…

11. AEG made “This is It” movie… Money still keep coming… . Everybody is happy.

It took less than 4 months to drive Michael do death.

This stood out to me. It was a plan for sure. Remember Frank Dileo's interview where he states 'Mike did'nt have the funds" to record the TII rehersals; yet Tohme(fired) has $5 million cash of Michael Jackson's money!?!

Conrad Murray may actually be the cleanest party in the bunch.

 

[Autumn II]

Oh they will be too cautious with NL.
Reportedly there may be oil underneath.

I've heard that, as well (about the oil). Also, during the trial I remember digging up something that said Sneddon's brother lived next door (or close?) and wanted to annex the property for a winery. A lot of behind-the-scenes stuff was about getting N/L away from Michael.

I doubt they'll sell it. I think there are still plans to open some sort of theme-park, whether or not Michael is buried there.

 

[Alec]

Michael was not cut off, a friend of mine talked and saw him 3 days before he passed away. And he was going to see Lionel Richie and his kids on June 27th.

 

[Autumn II]

Michael was not cut off, a friend of mine talked and saw him 3 days before he passed away. And he was going to see Lionel Richie and his kids on June 27th.

I don't doubt what you say about your friend, but there is plenty of evidence that strongly suggests that Michael was, indeed, largely cut off from contact with those who could have HELPED him. Plus, he said himself that he was afraid of Tohme. The most damning evidence comes from Tohme himself, who said he "built a wall around Michael to keep people out." Doesn't get any more clear than that.

 

[dirtydiana27]

I've heard that, as well (about the oil). Also, during the trial I remember digging up something that said Sneddon's brother lived next door (or close?) and wanted to annex the property for a winery. A lot of behind-the-scenes stuff was about getting N/L away from Michael.

I doubt they'll sell it. I think there are still plans to open some sort of theme-park, whether or not Michael is buried there.

I don't know about Sneddon, although it is extremely possible. It is our friend Thomas Barrack whose land is adjacent to Neverland--you know the same businessman who had a little soiree days after Michael passed--assuring neighbors not to worry about the property being "misused"--and of course, our other friend Tohme had worked with Colony Capital (Barrack's firm) and after Jermaine approached him in 2007, Tohme reached out to Barrack and Barrack called his friend Anschutz--lots of dots being connected??? Back to DS Sneddon--he's also a resident, an ex-DA in Santa Barbara with probably mighty ties to the LA DA.

 

[Alec]

I don't doubt what you say about your friend, but there is plenty of evidence that strongly suggests that Michael was, indeed, largely cut off from contact with those who could have HELPED him. Plus, he said himself that he was afraid of Tohme. The most damning evidence comes from Tohme himself, who said he "built a wall around Michael to keep people out." Doesn't get any more clear than that.

The problem is we don't know if there was anything that anyone could have helped Michael with. He had Kenny Ortega and Frank DiLeo with him everyday, who are known as his close pals, yet he didn't ask them for help and hid his problems. This leads me to the impression that no matter who would've MJ been with, it wouldn't have changed anything. He probably thought he would get away with using the shit he used as he did back in the day and he'll get through the concerts the way he did in the late 90's. I don't see how anything could've been changed if people who have known him for 25 years didn't know what exactly was going on.
I don't really believe Tohme was in the picture since Franks comeback. And how was Michael cut off if he was free and able to call Will.I.am, have a meeting scheduled with the Richies? Maybe he was cut off when he worked with Tohme, but since Tohme wasn't there anymore, I don't think that he wasn't able to talk to other people in the days before he passed as I know he had been in touch with A LOT of people.
I'm not saying I'm not suspicious of what happend on June 25th and before, because there were some weird things going on. But he definately had people that could've helped him right in front of his eyes yet he wasn't helped. I am not the one to judge whose fault it is, Mikes or the other peoples. Or maybe noones.
What I'm saying is that he wasn't desperately trying to get help.


3. AEG was paying for the rent of MJ house. Why?
MJ didn't have enought cash to rent two houses (one in LA and one in Las Vegas) and pay his regular bills. He had to move to LA because he was going to start to work on the TII project and AEG provided him the money, what's wrong with that? He had hundereds of millions in assets which he obviously didn't want to sell and as he was going to work real soon and make tens of millions in the next few months, it was a good deal in case not to be forced to sell his property, wasn't it?

4. Michael is under pressure. At the same time he visits Dr, Klein office 2-3 times a week.
He visited Klein because he wanted to look good for the concerts, not because he was under pressure. I don't see how these two could be connected in any way.

6. 2 weeks before MJ death the family and fans were cut off completely. It happened next day when information from fans became public. Michael was not available to anybody anymore.
Not true.

8.The same day Uri Geller gives numbers of rubbish interviews to tabloids calling Michael a drug addict.
All of his so called friends came out to make a quick buck.

9. Next day Tomhe Tomhe showed up with 5 million dollars cash and gave money back to the estate. This number 5 million dollars perfectly matches with the number of what prince Abdulla wanted to get from Michael for accommodations and ice cream for MJ kids when Michael stayed in Bahrain.
The only good thing Tohme did for Michael. I wonder how much money he kept for himself.

 

[Alec]

edited into one post above.

 

[Asedora]

Alec,
whatever you say I designee with some your remarks. I clearly can see that Michael was pushed to do those concerts in London because probably the idea of selling Neverland ranch on auction was too painful for him. I do not think he would ever except it. It was his weak point and money greedy ppl used it. This is how I see.
Michael was not available to fans and family it is very true. I read fan’s testimony. They have no reason to lie. Mike was cut off from ppl who could help him. I do not count ppl on AEG payroll. They would never help him.
Dr. Klein is another shady figure. I do not trust him one split second. I do not know with what drug he injected Michael but fans saw Mike walking from Klein’s office under influence. Do not forget, Klein is under investigations as well.
This a*hole showed up on TMZ board and talked rubbish about Michael covering his own ass and twisting facts, mixing lie and the truth together.
I believe that Michael’s financial advisors told him that he has not enough cash to pay his rent which was not true. This is why AEG was paying his rent.
I think he was pushed in this cage foe a reason. This way he could be 100% controlled.

A good example is Tomhe and 5 million dollars cash were returned back MJ to estate . Branca probably knew about those 5 million dollars cash? Why those money were so easy accepted by estate lawyers?

 

[Autumn II]

Alec, a lot of this stuff has already been discussed here in detail, so you might want to read a few of the earlier threads?

The problem is we don't know if there was anything that anyone could have helped Michael with. He had Kenny Ortega and Frank DiLeo with him everyday, who are known as his close pals, yet he didn't ask them for help and hid his problems.

"Close pals?" Uhm, no? DiLeo was fired in 1989 and had little contact with Michael since then. It remains highly. . . unusual that he was brought back so abruptly, and other things, too. . . such as his statement "I'm Michael's manager in life and in death." Plus he is on the Board of Directors of ATV/Sony. He is very high on many of our "to watch" lists.

Some feel that Ortega was quite rude to Michael, and it shows during the TII movie. There are some serious concerns about him, including his truthfulness about Michael's thinness and readiness for the concerts.

He "hid" WHAT problems? He was not addicted to drugs when he died. I have never believed those "six weeks of propofol" stories, and Michael is not here to defend himself.

This leads me to the impression that no matter who would've MJ been with, it wouldn't have changed anything. He probably thought he would get away with using the shit he used as he did back in the day and he'll get through the concerts the way he did in the late 90's.

Uh, oh. . . . If you are referring to narcotics (the problem in 1993), there were no narcotics in Michael's system when he died. Propofol (if he was even using it) in not physiologically addictive. This sounds a lot like the "it's Michael's fault" theory. Again. . . .

I don't see how anything could've been changed if people who have known him for 25 years didn't know what exactly was going on.

We don't know WHAT was going on, and neither do YOU. That's what we are here to try to figure out. If people who'd known him for 25 years didn't know "what was going on," that lends credibility to the idea that he was isolated. So thanks.

I don't really believe Tohme was in the picture since Franks comeback. And how was Michael cut off if he was free and able to call Will.I.am, have a meeting scheduled with the Richies? Maybe he was cut off when he worked with Tohme, but since Tohme wasn't there anymore, I don't think that he wasn't able to talk to other people in the days before he passed as I know he had been in touch with A LOT of people.

There is proof that Tohme was in the picture after Frank came back. He even gave an interview where he said, "I am still in control." Plus he spoke FIRST at the hospital press conference. He was very much still there, and we KNOW this.

I don't know anything about calls to Richie, or what he could have said to Will.I.am that would have helped him. There is a LOT of proof that he was cut off from those who would have helped him. There is the statement by Tohme that "I built a wall around Michael to keep people out." That should not be discounted. It is very possible that the Security staff still answered to Tohme.

I'm not saying I'm not suspicious of what happend on June 25th and before, because there were some weird things going on. But he definately had people that could've helped him right in front of his eyes yet he wasn't helped. I am not the one to judge whose fault it is, Mikes or the other peoples. Or maybe noones.
What I'm saying is that he wasn't desperately trying to get help.

Help for WHAT? For being trapped by his own staff, pressured into shows he didn't feel he was ready for. . or what? You simply do not KNOW he wasn't trying to find help for himself.

A key factor is that he was not paying his own Security staff, and they did not answer to him. It's been said that in the couple of weeks before June 25, and especially the night he died, that Security had TRIPLED. To keep others out, or to keep him in? Then there were the dropped phone calls from the Follower Fans, and a lot else. May I respectfully suggest that you read more here and come up to speed with what's been discussed? That would prevent repetitions and would prevent convos from becoming circular.

3. AEG was paying for the rent of MJ house. Why?
MJ didn't have enought cash to rent two houses (one in LA and one in Las Vegas) and pay his regular bills. He had to move to LA because he was going to start to work on the TII project and AEG provided him the money, what's wrong with that? He had hundereds of millions in assets which he obviously didn't want to sell and as he was going to work real soon and make tens of millions in the next few months, it was a good deal in case not to be forced to sell his property, wasn't it?

It is my understanding that he gave up the house in Las Vegas when he moved to L.A. It was a RENTAL.

Being in debt to an employer is NEVER a good idea! The reasons for that should be totally obvious.

4. Michael is under pressure. At the same time he visits Dr, Klein office 2-3 times a week.
He visited Klein because he wanted to look good for the concerts, not because he was under pressure. I don't see how these two could be connected in any way.

You simply do not KNOW that. I now fear we are having another problem here, similar to the one that just ended? I sincerely hope not. . . .

6. 2 weeks before MJ death the family and fans were cut off completely. It happened next day when information from fans became public. Michael was not available to anybody anymore.
Not true.

It is VERY true. Agree to disagree on this one and we don't have to discuss again, hopefully.

8.The same day Uri Geller gives numbers of rubbish interviews to tabloids calling Michael a drug addict.
All of his so called friends came out to make a quick buck.

Michael was often surrounded by snakes. Especially at the end of his life.

9. Next day Tomhe Tomhe showed up with 5 million dollars cash and gave money back to the estate. This number 5 million dollars perfectly matches with the number of what prince Abdulla wanted to get from Michael for accommodations and ice cream for MJ kids when Michael stayed in Bahrain.

And as I've said, AEG paid that court settlement and Michael OWED it to them.

The only good thing Tohme did for Michael. I wonder how much money he kept for himself.

We have no idea what or if Tohme stole from Michael. We do not know if Michael even KNEW that Tohme had 5.5 mil of his money. He only gave it back when the accountants began to dig and he was afraid it would be discovered. I tend to think Michael didn't know about it. Otherwise, why not pay his own videography crew and staff?

 

[riviera1992]

Well, see, that's the problem with always starting new threads about similar subjects. previous relevant info get pushed back and never read again.

This thread should be merged with this one here to keep same subject info neatly together.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2180337#post2180337