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Ohood said:
i have a question about the anti- depression and anti-anxity....did MJ used them? and why a person used these medicine is called an addict , because they are not to make anyone high , but to help to stop the pain ?
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According to my knowledge, Michael wasn't addicted to anything. Although we really don't know, it's presumed that Michael did use the anti-depression and anti-anxiety drugs, or whatever they were. Ofcourse, that doesn't mean he's an addict, but it's not a good sign either. Really, in my opinion anyway, the problem isn't with any particular one of these drugs, the problem is with the fact that they were all being taken at the same time. It was just an overload on anybody's body to be taking so many drugs..especially ones that are so potent and can have double the effects when combined..
 
Wikipedia also says ephedrine is used "to treat hypotension associated with anaesthesia."

So Mj was using anesthesia so maybe it was to help keep his heart rate from going too low.
 
kristinaz said:
Well since we're trying to read the urine numbers how exactly are we supposed to read the propofol numbers, does anyone know. I mean what's a normal number and what's a lethal number.
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you lose consciousness at levels between 1.3-6.8 , after a bolus injection to induce anesthesia you lose consciousness for 8 minutes when concentration is again at 1.3 you regain it .

There were three deaths caused by propofol , a nurse her blood concentration was 0.22 but her urine was 5.6 . the 0.22 number indicated the survival time was long relatively , since the concentration dropped , the urine did indicate she abused propofol for hours before her death . a doctor who committed suicide by injecting propofol into his head , it was not a bolus injection , his blood concentration was 2.5 so the survival time was minutes , definitely less than 8 minutes , no propofol was detected in his urine .


the last case was of a nurse who injected himself with propofol, his blood concentration was 5.4 but they ruled the final dose was 4 only since he was abusing it throughout the night and at the time of the final injection its concentration would have been 1,3 ,the high number 4 made them convinced he died immediately they determined he was abusing it for the last six hours of his life through his urine , the urine was 5.5 it indicated a chronic abuse .
 
i'm sorry diasy, but what Murray did was never a mistake , not after six weeks.all his patient said that he is a very good and competant doctor...
 
Re: Regarding the Coroner's Report...

MoeJoe,
Remember that the key is what was in his system. What was in his system was only the things Murray gave him. I see that you are telling a fan above that he was taking antidepressant drugs and other things at the same time. Be careful. Murray gave him a cocktail of drugs, which he claimed was to induce sleep. There is no evidence that Michael took drugs that he was addicted to, at least, from the autopsy. Again I say what was in the house is not the same as what is in his system.
 
Soundmind said:
you lose consciousness at levels between 1.3-6.8 , after a bolus injection to induce anesthesia you lose consciousness for 8 minutes when concentration is again at 1.3 you regain it .

There were three deaths caused by propofol , a nurse her blood concentration was 0.22 but her urine was 5.6 . the 0.22 number indicated the survival time was long relatively , since the concentration dropped , the urine did indicate she abused propofol for hours before her death . a doctor who committed suicide by injecting propofol into his head , it was not a bolus injection , his blood concentration was 2.5 so the survival time was minutes , definitely less than 8 minutes , no propofol was detected in his urine .


the last case was of a nurse who injected himself with propofol, his blood concentration was 5.4 but they ruled the final dose was 4 only since he was abusing it throughout the night and at the time of the final injection its concentration would have been 1,3 ,the high number 4 made them convinced he died immediately they determined he was abusing it for the last six hours of his life through his urine , the urine was 5.5 it indicated a chronic abuse .
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Thank you for that explanation soundmind, I just have one more how come all of the numbers were measured in micrograms except the stomach contents which was measure in milligrams is that common sorry if that sound stupid but I know nothing about toxicology. I hope I'm not rearing into personal matters but how do you know all this I so admire that you know all this info I wish I knew all that would have been much easier to read the whole report.
 
I believe MJ had a problem with urinary retention due to enlarged prostate.
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You need to stick to facts instead of your own opinion, the prostate was only moderately enlarged, it was not that much of a big deal you make it out to be.
 
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I don't wanna pick a fight with you, but no you didn't. What you did is called assuming.
 
twinklEE said:
I don't wanna pick a fight with you, but no you didn't. What you did is called assuming.
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Yes, I hear you. I have been trampled in this thread even when I have said nothing and been accused of things I never said I said.

I made an educated guess. Lets call it that. I meant no disrespect to MJ and called it as I saw it.
 
Soundmind said:
calm down, did you read it ? it was mentioned in the autopsy report along with vitiligo , URINE DETENTION .
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Thank you because I know I didn't pick it out of the air and would not make an assumption. It was part of the whole BPH thing which goes with it.

Its not an uncommon thing and I did see that he was taking a medicine for it.
 
Beachlover said:
Yes, I hear you. I have been trampled in this thread even when I have said nothing and been accused of things I never said I said.

I made an educated guess. Lets call it that. I meant no disrespect to MJ and called it as I saw it.
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Beachlover, what you did was not an ''educational guess''. You simply assumed things you do not know. You spin together two things that were mentioned and made a third possible issue up, all on your own.
I haven't even read what people said to you in this thread and quiet frankly I'm not even interested. I do feel sorry for you if, people trample on you for no reason, but that has nothing to do with you assuming stuff you don't know.
If the prostate had been the issue you make it you to be it would have been stated, which was not the case. Anyways carry on I'm out.

calm down, did you read it ? it was mentioned in the autopsy report along with vitiligo
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I am calm Soundmind. Believe it or not.
 
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Re: Regarding the Coroner's Report...

is it possible that MJ was taking certain thing at night and then other thing during day,
i mean the sedatives to sleep , and then when he wakes up he takes the other anti-depression and anti-anxitey to endure the stress of the long hours of the rehearsals , from 12 p:m to 1 a:m
 
Yes, I read that as well. It said he had urine retention due to a moderately enlarged prostate.
 
How does having urinary retention work vs having a catheter?
 
twinklEE said:
Beachlover, what you did was not an ''educational guess''. You simply assumed things you do not know. You spin together two things that were mentioned and made a third possible issue up, all on your own.
I haven't even read what people said to you in this thread and quiet frankly I'm not even interested. I do feel sorry for you if, people trample on you for no reason, but that has nothing to do with you assuming stuff you don't know.
If the prostate had been the issue you make it you to be it would have been stated, which was not the case. Anyways carry on I'm out.
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Wow! I know some of us are all a little angry a with each other right now, but this seems a little harsh. Why all of the angst? We will all disagree on these things and none of us really knows what happened. We are trying to piece things togher. We are all making guesses sometimes. I don't agree with some of what Beachlover said but he/she is entitled to a repsectful opinon. I think we all need to chill and show each other some respect. Remember what Gaz said about being respectful.
 
I'd answer that question but I am not sure what you are exactly asking.

I feel I need to be very gentle here because people have trouble reading what I type.
 
If you have an enlarged prostate, and urinary retention, you may not be able to empty your bladder, or you may have to keep going and stopping, or you can feel like you have to go but it takes a while to come out, or it could block you passing urine all together. A catheter will open up the urethra to allow the urine to come out and doesn't get backed up in the bladder.
 
ginvid said:
If you have an enlarged prostate, and urinary retention, you may not be able to empty your bladder, or you may have to keep going and stopping, or you can feel like you have to go but it takes a while to come out, or it could block you passing urine all together. A catheter will open up the urethra to allow the urine to come out and doesn't get backed up in the bladder.
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Thank you. I just want to make sure the autopsy wasnt in a sense contradicting itself.
 
Re: Regarding the Coroner's Report...

Petrarose said:
MoeJoe,
Remember that the key is what was in his system. What was in his system was only the things Murray gave him. I see that you are telling a fan above that he was taking antidepressant drugs and other things at the same time. Be careful. Murray gave him a cocktail of drugs, which he claimed was to induce sleep. There is no evidence that Michael took drugs that he was addicted to, at least, from the autopsy. Again I say what was in the house is not the same as what is in his system.
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Your'e right, and I agree. I don't want to give the impression that I know more than I do, so I guess I shouldn't say too much about what he was taking. The only thing I was trying to point out was that these kinds of drugs don't just happen to be lying around a person's house. it's an indicator that at one point in time he was taking it. But..reading what I just wrote..even I'm starting to dislike what i wrote, lol..sounds too much like speculation which we don't need more of.

Ohood said:
is it possible that MJ was taking certain thing at night and then other thing during day,
i mean the sedatives to sleep , and then when he wakes up he takes the other anti-depression and anti-anxitey to endure the stress of the long hours of the rehearsals , from 12 p:m to 1 a:m
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It's possible, but I guess we don't really know...
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
Thank you. I just want to make sure the autopsy wasnt in a sense contradicting itself.
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I have read it a few times and this was one of the things that stood out to me because of the amount in his bladder and I did post an explanation to that earlier. MJ was taking the medication "Flomax" as I had seen that listed somewhere.
 
callmerose said:
Wow! I know some of us are all a little angry a with each other right now, but this seems a little harsh. Why all of the angst? We will all disagree on these things and none of us really knows what happened. We are trying to piece things togher. We are all making guesses sometimes. I don't agree with some of what Beachlover said but he/she is entitled to a repsectful opinon. I think we all need to chill and show each other some respect. Remember what Gaz said about being respectful.
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I don't know what all I said that was bad. I have to go back and read my own posts now. I am really just trying to piece together all the pieces of this puzzle we have so that we know what really happened.

Somewhere along the way the urine thing had to be discussed or I would not have brought it up. That wouldn't make sense.

We know what Murray said, and we know he obviously didn't tell the truth, so we aren't going to get the story from the warrants.
 
TWINKLE in your last comment, I think you were trying to urge people to stay with the facts. I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I have read both topics about the autopsy on the board, and I am getting concerned because some people pick up three or more unrelated things, put them together and come up with alarming conclusions. My concern is that IF WE ARE MISINFORMED HERE, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WHEN THE MEDIA STARTS THE UNTRUTHS UNTIL AFTER THE TRIAL? Given this, I ask that people PLEASE STAY WITH THE FACTS of the report when giving explanations to others. Maybe some people skip words they do not understand in the report, and make assumptions about what they know, which may be the cause of some of the strange comments.

We do not want outside when reading the comments to pick out the errors and use in their articles as truths either. Let us draw conclusions based on analysis of the facts.

Beach and Sound thank you for your knowledge. Everyone thank you for the factual comments.
 
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Yes MoeJoe that is the point. Also, we do not know when was the last time he took them and how often because they were not in his system. We also have to be careful because some have not read the report because it is graphic, and they do not know if you are speculating or talking about the contents of his stomach.

Thanks for understanding. Love
 
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