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Why Did it Take So Long to File Involuntary Manslaughter Charges?

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Why did the investigation take so long to file involuntary manslaughter charges? Did they think it was more to the story and tried to connect all the dots and couldn't? Did they feel Murray was the sole person involved? IF so what evidence were they looking for. If it was Murray and Murray only he admitted everything(supposedly about that night) it shouldn't take 7 months to come to a conclusion that was already there, or do we have a District Attorney trying to make a name for himself and needs a conviction of any kind to get elected the Attorney for the state of California?

I choose to think they couldn't connect all of the dots and didn't try to. There are too many loose ends. I don't know need a lot of help with this one.
 
Ensleyave, you post some very good questions that are worth pondering. Of course we can only speculate and I have no comparison to make so first off I can't really say if 7 months is a long time for an investigation. I would say that it is rather short and it leads me to think or believe that not all angles were fully pursued, otherwise it would have taken much longer in my opinion, like close to 2 years even!

I will try to list what can take a long time:

- Toxicolgy results take weeks
- medical specialists have to be interviewed and you need more than one on each subject as their professional opinion may differ and then some sort of conclusion needs to be reached and translated into "forensics for dummies" so the police investigators know what the doctors opinion is what may happen in various instances with a patient
- which medications were involved ?
- who were they prescribed to ?
- which doctors prescribed the meds ?
- how do the meds interact ?
- unerlying conditions that could have had an adverse effect need to excluded
- Time of death
- was it intentional or not ? motive ?
- worth more dead than alive ?
- who stands to gain from his death ?
- who had access to him in the last 24 hours ?
- alibis
- interrogations or talks with people involved

I tried to list the factors that make it extra complicated, and being that it is a medical
case, involving medicines, it makes it very tricky to sort out I think.

( Didn't the estate pay a large sum of money to the DA's office ? This can be interpreted both ways : initiated by the family, knowing that the state of Calif is effectively broke, they don't want a lack of funds to be the reason for not investigating properly, OR and this is much darker - the administrators of the estate paid a large sum to keep certain information under wrap and to avoid large corporations such as Sony and AEG from being investigated further) To me both are possible. If anyone can think of another reason feel free to elaborate your theories.

But you could be on the spot with your comment about the DA wanting to be elected to Attorney General of the state of California
 
The only thing i can say is because No one is talking lets not forget the FBI and those who are involved with the investigation needs to dig deeply and not just deal with the documents they have already. This is the most saddest conviction I ever had to see on TV. Mike was kill and it wasn’t a mistake and dr.Killrad knows this
 
I don't know either what took them so long, I'd also like to think they were trying to connect the dots, but if it's true they only had 2-3 investigators on this case, then they obviously weren't, so .... I have really no idea why it took 7 months.

Especially in light of the propofol case Murray's attorney is so proud about winning:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/NURSE...ENT+DEATH+VERDICT:+'MISTAKE+IN...-a0124231339

PASADENA - A former Providence Saint Joseph Medical Center nurse was acquitted Wednesday of involuntary manslaughter in the death of a terminally ill Burbank man who was given a powerful drug without doctor's orders.

Amy Brunner, 26, was accused of leaving the anesthetic Diprivan in a syringe on June 7, 2003, for fellow nurse Kelly Miyasato, 32, to administer to Pierre Azar, 80, who was suffering from cancer. Azar was pronounced dead 10 minutes after Miyasato administered the drug.
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Diprivan, a fast-acting drug that can stop a patient from breathing, is only supposed to be administered through a syringe if the patient is breathing with a respirator and if a doctor is present, according to according to prosecutors. Miyasato gave Azar, who was not on a respirator, the drug in the early morning hours, when no doctor was nearby.
....
Sandi Gibbons, a spokeswoman for the District Attorney's Office, said "this was a case that needed to be taken to a jury.''
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Now if in that case it was very clear to the DA that charges must be brought, that surely wasn't the problem here. My guesses are 1/something significant we don't know, 2/hesitating btw murder two and manslaugher or 3/ cover-up.
 
Thetruthbetold said:
The only thing i can say is because No one is talking lets not forget the FBI and those who are involved with the investigation needs to dig deeply and not just deal with the documents they have already. This is the most saddest conviction I ever had to see on TV. Mike was kill and it wasn’t a mistake and dr.Killrad knows this
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I couldn't agree more! It was murder from the get go and I felt that long before they officially deemed it a homicide. I do so hope that the truth will come out some day and someone will find the courage to tell officials what they know.
But then - oh i hate to think of it, what if somebody did tell officials what they know, what if several persons already did, but because of the implications leading to the bigger fish involved and the officials being so corrupt, it was swept under the rug ?
 
MJJLaugh said:
I couldn't agree more! It was murder from the get go and I felt that long before they officially deemed it a homicide. I do so hope that the truth will come out some day and someone will find the courage to tell officials what they know.
But then - oh i hate to think of it, what if somebody did tell officials what they know, what if several persons already did, but because of the implications leading to the bigger fish involved and the officials being so corrupt, it was swept under the rug ?
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I agree i read on some reliable blogs that reported people were snitching telling what they know but its unfortunate things will be cover up. The only thing is the Jackson’s really need to take some time out and analysis Michael surroundings throughout his life people who came before and after. I truly believe when it came to pain killers Michael was driven he was fighting these “demands ” who were against him through out his career when he because weak through his stress they came in like a thunderstorm and sweat his life down the wrong path. Mike needs justice so many artist murders was sweap away and no body did nothing for their case.
 
That is what I am thinking. Yes an investigation takes a while when you have no suspect or any type admission of guilt. They had that and the autopsy report and testimony from the players that day. They knew where the prescriptions came from phone records. Actually, all they stuff we know now we knew in September.
 
I think the LAPD were trying to see if they could pin any other Doctors with all the prescriptions medication MJ had.
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
I think the LAPD were trying to see if they could pin any other Doctors with all the prescriptions medication MJ had.
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which is odd to me, or maybe I'm just ignorant.
but the drug that napped Mike was acute amount of propofol... and other prescription medication, how would they know that Mike didn't need those?

i guess they needed to do digging but at the same time I feel it's irrelevant to what cause him to nap.

I'm still bitter with the INVOLUNTARY manslaughter charge too.
it's like saying "Mike napped himself", that's the vibe i get. like as if Mike asked Murray to put him out of his misery or stupid crap like that.
 
Involuntary Manslaughter charges are used in my state for people who drunk drive. They know the dangers of drinking and driving but drive anyway and kill someone. In most cases they do no jail time. They lose their lisence and get probation. He admitted he gave it to him and the autopsy showed it. My worry is they do have more information that leads to a higher a charge but cannot connect the dots to prove it. It doesn't take that long in my opinion to file IM charges especially if you have someone admit to it. I believe there is more to the story is what I am saying.
 
ensleyave said:
Involuntary Manslaughter charges are used in my state for people who drunk drive. They know the dangers of drinking and driving but drive anyway and kill someone. In most cases they do no jail time. They lose their lisence and get probation. He admitted he gave it to him and the autopsy showed it. My worry is they do have more information that leads to a higher a charge but cannot connect the dots to prove it. It doesn't take that long in my opinion to file IM charges especially if you have someone admit to it. I believe there is more to the story is what I am saying.
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yea that's another example of involuntary manslaughter.
and i also still don't understand why Murray is getting away with using propofol outside of hospital setting, lying (because if i'm not mistaken, his first statement was that he did NOT administer any drugs that could have led to the napping of Mike), and other stuff i can't think of right now (it's late here and I'm about to crash). a lot of things to charge him with other than IM.

I'm still hoping for a miracle... hopefully new strong evidence that could charge murray with (atleast) 2nd degree murder will emerge, i know that's like wishing for rain in the desert but i still have a little hope left.

After skimming through the coronor's report, i thought it was enough to charge murray with 2nd degree murder but i guess not? idk maybe i need to fully and thoroughly understand it. I'm gonna take some time off to look deep into the coronor's report for a few days.

all i know is this is no accident and Murray is not that stupid, no one is that stupid.... esp with a "Dr" status.
And i do not trust the DA or the LAPD. they've been out to get Mike's ass for too damn long.
 
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I personally think it did not take them too long to file charges. For example in the Anna Nicole death case it took them 2 years to file the charges.
 
ivy said:
I personally think it did not take them too long to file charges. For example in the Anna Nicole death case it took them 2 years to file the charges.
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but for Anna Nicole Smith, she was the only one in the room. there was no doctor administering the drugs.

am i correct on the above statement? or do i really just need to sleep?
i think i'll sleep and catch up on report tomorrow after work.
 
MicHil said:
but for Anna Nicole Smith, she was the only one in the room. there was no doctor administering the drugs.

am i correct on the above statement? or do i really just need to sleep?
i think i'll sleep and catch up on report tomorrow after work.
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yes she was the only one in the room and nobody injected her but she died of accidental overdose of prescription drugs. In her case there was 2 doctors and her boyfriend who gave her drugs that they shouldn't be giving. therefore I kinda see the cases similar as there are doctors who are giving drugs that they should not be giving in the first place and the deaths happen because of these drugs.
 
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I was hoping they would take longer and have done a thorough investigation.
Now the only reason I think they took 7 months was to have a quick look at other people and exclude them from the list of suspects.
IMO it was a sloppy invest. They tried to wrap things up and get it over with.
 
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