New questions about the will

[riviera1992]

I was just thinking after seeing and learning from the Oprah show how close the Cascio family and Michael were and the fact that most people didn't know this.

Michael was calling them his family of love and spent lots of time with them and trusting them with his kids etc.

So why aren't they in the will?

Surely, the least he could've done is leaving them enough money for Papa Cascio to retire. God knows at his age he's still working very hard being in the hospitality business. ( I know I've been in it for 30 years).

Shouldn't there have been something about spending regular time with them or something like that?

At least they know each other more than Diana Ross.

Just very puzzling and gives me one more reason to think that the will is suspicious in more ways than one. :scratch:

 

[kasume]

Was there video of Michael calling them his "family of love"?

 

[riviera1992]

If you listen closely at the beginning when Papa Cascio talks about when he met Michael as a manager at the Hemsley Palace his says Michael called us his first family of love. You have to pay close attention because My Cascio has an accent and sorta mumbles it.

It was also written on the booklet from the private funeral.

Some might argue that MJ didn't leave anything to Liz or Niko or what not but these are already rich as opposed to Dominic Cascio who worked hard in the hospitality business and still work at his restaurant.

It just looks weird to me if I put myself in Michael's place, I would've put them in my will. But maybe he didn't want to create more jalousy with his blood family since they got nothing except his mom. Who knows?

 

[kasume]

Some might argue that MJ didn't leave anything to Liz or Niko or what not but these are already rich as opposed to Dominic Cascio who worked hard in the hospitality business and still work at his restaurant.

It just looks weird to me if I put myself in Michael's place, I would've put them in my will. But maybe he didn't want to create more jalousy with his blood family since they got nothing except his mom. Who knows?

So Michael never said that. We never heard straight from HIS lips. I don't know if you are aware of this, but people are being paid five to six digits to say all kinds of lies about Michael.

So Cascio is still working hard and would need money? That's very interesting to know......

We don't even know if that will is real. Remember, rumor goes around that Peter Lopez was about to show up with the real will and speak up, few days later, he turns up dead in his front yard with no gun around.

 

[ivy]

Some might argue that MJ didn't leave anything to Liz or Niko or what not but these are already rich as opposed to Dominic Cascio who worked hard in the hospitality business and still work at his restaurant.

It just looks weird to me if I put myself in Michael's place, I would've put them in my will. But maybe he didn't want to create more jalousy with his blood family since they got nothing except his mom. Who knows?

I guess you are mentioning me

They always said that they never had a financial relationship with Michael. (Search youtube for 2005 interview with Frank in which he says Michael doesn't buy the expensive gifts such as cars for them and they also said the same thing at Oprah interview).

So Michael never said that. We never heard straight from HIS lips.

see the invincible booklet

Frank " you are my friend and family"

then lists whole cascio family and says "my other family"

they might be or not the "family of love" but he definitely saw them as his other family.

 

[kasume]

I see.

Because if Michael loved or was close to any family, it was his own family before anyone elses.

He didn't need to stop and say "I love you" to his parents and brothers in TII if he didn't want to. It is there names who would appear on his will before a member of any other family.

And if Michael despised his family so much like many fans are saying, then he wouldn't care what their opinions were if he left a non-reletaive money and not them.

If he despised his family so much, he wouldn't have wanted to pause for a moment and take the time to stop on stage and tell them he loves them.

 

[ivy]

as you look to Michael's will to me it's obvious that he left everything to his children (and wanted to care for his mother for her lifetime).

It's not like he left money to several people and omitted Cascios. He left everything to his kids. And if you are in the group that thinks that he will is fake and somehow magically it could be invalidated and Michael considered to die without a will everything will again be left to his kids according to intestate rules.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

i guess u could look at at this way. if u leave x amount to someone then do u leave x amount to someone else. there were many ppl in mjs life that he prob felt close to. like the brandos and wade robson etc but where does it end if u give some to some ppl u feel inclined to give it to others.then the jealousy issues start when x gets money and z doesnt. then theres the family issue. so thats why i think he kept it simple.kids and mother. anyway i doubt the cascios are short of much. nice business and house and all the travelling the kids do

f he despised his family so much, he wouldn't have wanted to pause for a moment and take the time to stop on stage and tell them he loves them.

i doubt anyone says he despised them but he knew not to mix business with pleasure.as the cascios said. he kept away from his bros cause all they did was bring him trouble. and he did the i love u in concert thing all through the history tour. it was nothing new. good for effect and showman ship. most ppl love their family doesnt mean thay want to be around them much as we saw with mj

 

[Maria MJ]

I have to agree with elusive.
People don't get to choose their family, however they can choose not to let them interfere with their business. It is obvious that Michael did not trust his brothers--at least to an extent that he would confide his estate to them--because he knew from life that they relied on his money to live and raise their families. This had to stop at some point.
But I really don't think including 3rd parties in his will simply for being good or working with him at some point would be a logical decision.
For the same reasons I don't think that Michael would die intestate. This requires a certain lack of judgement and provision which would not make sense in his case.
Still I consider a major possibility that there has been a 3rd will, especially after the trial, which has been destroyed, and it's very possible that Peter Lopez had a key to it. This is pure instinct of course, I have no solid proof here, but so far I regret every time I have not trusted my gut feeling.

 

[riviera1992]

^^^

Make sense.

I was just discussing this with my sister and she told me that recently her best friend was named as the sole heir in some old man's will that she took care of for the last 15 years. She works for assisted living for the elderlies.

She said noone of his 2 daughters wanted anything to do with him and were never in his life once they got married but they heard she got everything which was about a quarter of a million, they got lawyers and took that to court and wanted all the money since they were blood relatives but in the end the judge split the money 3 ways.

I guess Michael knew that could happen but still I'm restling with the fact he named Diana Ross who the kids dont know, to take care of them if Katherine can't? The Cascios were at the hospital when they were born. Michael trusted only them to babysit. I think It was also the kids second family, not just Michael.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

to be fair we dont really know how much the kids did or didnt know diana. yeah i have thought about the cascios having the kids but logically it wouldnt really work. firstly they live in N.J in a normal house area etc. and all the issues that bring. it would totally change their lives.

and it's very possible that Peter Lopez had a key to it.

if that were the case why did he never come forward with it? its not like he died on june 26ht

 

[ivy]

you have 30 days to file a will with court. If Peter Lopez had a will, he would have filed it. Even if he had knowledge of a will but didn't have the physical will he could have shared this information with the court (therefore that will would have to be searched and accepted). As he did neither of this in the 30 day period , I don't think that there was any will or Lopez had any knowledge.

Any person having the custody or control of any will shall, within thirty days after he shall have received knowledge of the death of the testator, deliver said will to the court having jurisdiction or to the person named in the will as executor, and any executor having in his custody or control any will shall within forty days after he received knowledge of the death of the testator deliver the same to the court having jurisdiction. Any person who shall wilfully violate any of the provisions of this section shall be liable to any party aggrieved for the damages which may be sustained by such violation.

 

[jrsfan]

I have to agree with elusive.
People don't get to choose their family, however they can choose not to let them interfere with their business. It is obvious that Michael did not trust his brothers--at least to an extent that he would confide his estate to them--because he knew from life that they relied on his money to live and raise their families. This had to stop at some point.
But I really don't think including 3rd parties in his will simply for being good or working with him at some point would be a logical decision.
For the same reasons I don't think that Michael would die intestate. This requires a certain lack of judgement and provision which would not make sense in his case.
Still I consider a major possibility that there has been a 3rd will, especially after the trial, which has been destroyed, and it's very possible that Peter Lopez had a key to it. This is pure instinct of course, I have no solid proof here, but so far I regret every time I have not trusted my gut feeling.

Makes sense to keep a will in a safety deposit box at a bank - they give you 2 keys. If there were 2 lawyers having each one key. Or perhaps MJ had a key? Might have been found when they documented his things, they have a typical look to them, mine does anyway.

 

[mjjesamor]

I see on twitter that Cascio has built himself a new studio. I don't trust those brothers. I think you make a good point.

 

[diana79]

to be fair we dont really know how much the kids did or didnt know diana. yeah i have thought about the cascios having the kids but logically it wouldnt really work. firstly they live in N.J in a normal house area etc. and all the issues that bring. it would totally change their lives.

That's a good point. Becoming guardians to MJ's kids would have been a very, very drastic change in their lives. Katherine and Diana Ross are used to dealing with having security around, the paps, etc.

 

[Krshna28]

I personally think that Michael never actually created his final will............

...........He was 50 and probably wasn't even thinking of dying........


...........If the current will is authentic.......then it was just created to insure his children are looked after and keep the sharks away...........


...........I also think that Liz Taylor was left out of the will purely because Michael thought that Liz wouldn't outlive him........


...........If Michael amended the will in 2008/9.......I'm sure it would be much different but I don't think he would leave anything for the Cascios!!!!