Michael - The Great Album Debate

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Agreed.

That's why I am not wasting my time. It's just another bash 'Michael' thread trying to disguise itself as something 'innocent'.

I've posed lots of logical questions to the 'doubters' - for instance, regarding how Sony expect to make any money from the album when they are paying out millions to; experts/long time friends/renowned producers/musicians that worked with MJ for 30 years/Jason Malachi (or whoever the 'fans' discovered on Youtube today)/etc., etc. for these dozens (hundreds?) of people to 'keep quiet' about the 'conspiracy' to 'defraud' the worldwide public - but they are never answered logically.

We're supposed to believe the whole world was out to get Michael, and Sony only paid £250 million dollars so they could take the piss out of Michael and his fans?

It's all too absurd for words.

As absurd as saying that MJ is alive. Yet it's the same person who claims that: Teddy Riley. What a credibility! You "cant'" fake tracks but you "can" fake death?!

 

[samhabib]

Re: A List of Questions Regarding the Cascio Tracks

As absurd as saying that MJ is alive. Yet it's the same person who claims that: Teddy Riley. What a credibility! You "cant'" fake tracks but you "can" fake death?!

Haha

"No one can scream like Michael..."

 

[Pentum]

For people who believe it’s Jason (or another impersonator)

1. How are you feeling right now?

I feel sick. I've felt sick since the day Breaking News premiered on MJ.com. I am feeling better though, but it's still unreal. How could they do this?

2. Do you think Michael deserved this?

Of course not.

3. What do you think Michael thinks about all of this?

If I was Michael, I would be sad because of my fans thinking I am the singer of these songs. But I'm not.

4. Did you buy the album even though you had thoughts about the 3 tracks?

No, and I never will. And I am a guy who buys everything when it comes to Michael.

5. Do you think Michael even recorded songs in the Cascio basement?

I believe he did record some stuff. His kids said so, he recorded WBSS 08 vocals. No doubt he did something, but NOT these fake ass tracks.

6. People who have become fans after Invincible, did this shatter your dreams, regarding sharing the hype of a new Michael Jackson album for the first time?

It really did. I was young when Invincible came and even younger when HIStory came. Can't say I remember much of it, but I was so ready for this.

It's still a nightmare.

7. Does this give you guys an idea of how many songs Michael left behind if a major company like Sony / Estate can’t put together a solid 10 song album?

No, we know hundreds of MJ titles, which we have never heard. Many, many of those are actual recordings. Look at STTR, DYKWYCA & BG. These songs are better than anything on Michael except Best Of Joy.

8. Does anybody think Jason (or another impersonator) is profiting from the album since his vocals are on the songs?

Of course he would get some cash.

I remember reading that Jason dreamt about being on an MJ album. Now he is.

9. If you think Michael did record songs in the basement, where do you think those songs are now? Destroyed? In a vault?

No idea. I don't think The Cascios have them. Maybe MJ took the songs with him then later, put it away safely or destroyed it?
10. What do you think is the big reason for wanting to include these songs in the first place?

11. Do you think Estate / Sony have a hard time telling if it’s Michael or not? Do you think they care? Do you think they were out to get Michael?

Hard question. Do they care? I don't know, they seem to be afraid. They don't have the balls to put a Cascio track as a signel. BTM and HT, not Monster? No proof? Afraid.

12. Why do you think Teddy believes its Michael? Why would a producer like Teddy risk humiliation defending the vocals on this album?

Money. That guy knows it's not MJ on the songs.

13. Do you think people were out to get Michael? I’ve heard Michael mentioning this a few times before he died, that people were trying to take advantage of him and they were out for his money. True?

True. He even said so himelf.

14. Why do you think the Estate paid so much money for these songs, only to try and screw it up by including songs that are controversial?

Again, I don't know.

15. If Michael is on the tracks, why would they make (Jason / the impersonator) sing his name over and over? Isn’t it kinda strange, that if they want us to believe it’s Michael, to take that part out since we know Michael isn‘t one of those cocky artists who sings his name repeatedly?

There is not Michael Jackson. He is not singing a WORD in the songs besides a few cut'n paste ad libs.

 

[GThomson93]

Re: A List of Questions Regarding the Cascio Tracks

You know people are more likely to answer the questions thinking it is Michael if you hadn't put so much in and make it sound so biased!

This.

I was going to answer but it's too biased.

 

[deano]

Re: A List of Questions Regarding the Cascio Tracks

As absurd as saying that MJ is alive. Yet it's the same person who claims that: Teddy Riley. What a credibility! You "cant'" fake tracks but you "can" fake death?!

Have you got a link to a video of Teddy Riley saying he thinks MJ is alive (in body I mean)?

If you haven't, what about an audio? - although that might open up a whole new thread on here where I claim it's an impersonator, not Teddy, on the 'vocals'.

Mind you, even if Teddy did think MJ was still alive, he might of got that impression from any number of MJ fans across the world (even some fans on here believe/believed it). In fact, you wouldn't believe some of the fancy conspiracies certain fans hang on to.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: A List of Questions Regarding the Cascio Tracks

I would imagine the irony of YOU claiming someone else is "obnoxious" goes totally over your head?

Have you got a link to a video of Teddy Riley saying he thinks MJ is alive (in body I mean)?

If you haven't, what about an audio? - although that might open up a whole new thread on here where I claim it's an impersonator, not Teddy, on the 'vocals'.

Mind you, even if Teddy did think MJ was still alive, he might of got that impression from any number of MJ fans across the world (even some fans on here believe/believed it). In fact, you wouldn't believe some of the fancy conspiracies certain fans hang on to.

Yes, I posted the video in the controversy thread.
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99883&page=173

 

[Mikaeel101]

Re: A List of Questions Regarding the Cascio Tracks

I don't know what's so biased about my questions?

I'm being fair here and I just wanna know other members answers. Yes there are more questions for "people who believe it's Michael" but I didn't plan for it to be that way. There's more questions for the contreversial tracks of course.

Why would people who believe it's another impersonator need more questions, we have nothing to prove? We're the ones taking a stand for this regarding our thoughts. We're the ones making our voice heard, sharing our opinions if we think it's Michael or not. We're the ones coming up with the comparison videos. We have nothing to hide.

Just seems like an excuse, for the people who believe it's Michael, not to answer the questions. Shouldn't be a problem if you feel strongly about your opinion, but it's still kinda funny that nobody who believe's it's Michael has the guts to tackle these questions.

That's my view

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

If someone posted that Michael was alive on this forum he/she would be treated as a bad joker, his/her post would be removed or transferred to the conspiracy theory thread. Now from someone who claims that we are expected to believe that the Cascio tracks are real. I'd rather believe that MJ is alive than that the cascio tracks are real.

For someone who claims to be close to Michael and knows his family - and knew them quite well until this bullshit - how does he think they feel hearing him saying 'Michael's hiding from Monsters' while promoting an album with a song called 'Monster'??? It's completely fucking despicable. And he's a complete prick for talking such crap.

 

[love is magical]

Re: A List of Questions Regarding the Cascio Tracks

I don't know what's so biased about my questions?

I'm being fair here and I just wanna know other members answers. Yes there are more questions for "people who believe it's Michael" but I didn't plan for it to be that way. There's more questions for the contreversial tracks of course.

Why would people who believe it's another impersonator need more questions, we have nothing to prove? We're the ones taking a stand for this regarding our thoughts. We're the ones making our voice heard, sharing our opinions if we think it's Michael or not. We're the ones coming up with the comparison videos. We have nothing to hide.

Just seems like an excuse, for the people who believe it's Michael, not to answer the questions. Shouldn't be a problem if you feel strongly about your opinion, but it's still kinda funny that nobody who believe's it's Michael has the guts to tackle these questions.

That's my view

Thanks for starting the thread. I enjoy reading other members' answers. I also have no single idea why some think your questions are biased. :scratch:

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: A List of Questions Regarding the Cascio Tracks

Thanks for starting the thread. I enjoy reading other members' answers. I also have no single idea why some think your questions are biased. :scratch:

Even if the questions were biased, when you think you know the truth, why being afraid of answering them?

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

listen to his first radio interview. not his twitter posts. (he did start to pull people's leg on twitter after some time, playing to the hoax but that wasn't his stand all along).

it doesn't work this way. how can we consider everything teddy said and just ignore his irrational behaviors? teddy's tweets show his true color. being rude to michael's fans, calling tarryl a jealous wanna-be and claiming michael is alive are simply uncalled for.

teddy himself seems to be uncomfortable with the cascio tracks. if he's so confident about the tracks, he would not need to engage in personal attacks.

 

[love is magical]

Re: A List of Questions Regarding the Cascio Tracks

Even if the questions were biased, when you think you know the truth, why being afraid of answering them?

Exactly. When one feels very strongly about one's opinion, has valid points and is being honest with herself/himself, there is no reason to be afraid of answering the questions.

Accusing the original poser for being biased (when it's totally not true) or saying it's a waste of time are excuses.

 

[Willy]

For people who believe it’s Jason (or another impersonator)

1. How are you feeling right now?

Helpless and dissapointed. The world don't give a damn.

2. Do you think Michael deserved this?

Of course not.

3. What do you think Michael thinks about all of this?

He would be devastated if he knew.

4. Did you buy the album even though you had thoughts about the 3 tracks?

No.

5. Do you think Michael even recorded songs in the Cascio basement?

I find that moderately plausible. Not the album songs of course.

6. People who have become fans after Invincible, did this shatter your dreams, regarding sharing the hype of a new Michael Jackson album for the first time?

--

7. Does this give you guys an idea of how many songs Michael left behind if a major company like Sony / Estate can’t put together a solid 10 song album?

I don't know how many songs are out there. Al least one hundred, I think.

8. Does anybody think Jason (or another impersonator) is profiting from the album since his vocals are on the songs?

Whoever sings it, he got or is being paid.

9. If you think Michael did record songs in the basement, where do you think those songs are now? Destroyed? In a vault?

If MJ recorded something there, he most likely took it with him.

10. What do you think is the big reason for wanting to include these songs in the first place?

The songs are quite new and they were expensive, I assume. They wanted the investment to return as soon as possible.

11. Do you think Estate / Sony have a hard time telling if it’s Michael or not? Do you think they care? Do you think they were out to get Michael?

I think they were initially duped, I mean they didn't expect the songs to be faked when they bought it. What do they think now and do they care, I don't know.

12. Why do you think Teddy believes its Michael? Why would a producer like Teddy risk humiliation defending the vocals on this album?

$$$. Teddy knew it wasn't Michael, yet he decided to work on these songs. The rest is just the consequences of this decision. I've always felt that all the "mj alive" talk from Teddy was to divert attention from the authenticity issue.

13. Do you think people were out to get Michael? I’ve heard Michael mentioning this a few times before he died, that people were trying to take advantage of him and they were out for his money. True?

True I guess, this is all about money.

14. Why do you think the Estate paid so much money for these songs, only to try and screw it up by including songs that are controversial?

We don't know how much the Cascios got for their tracks. We can assume it was a pretty large sum. I believe the songs were bought in good will to be included on the futere MJ albums, and thats what they did.

15. If Michael is on the tracks, why would they make (Jason / the impersonator) sing his name over and over? Isn’t it kinda strange, that if they want us to believe it’s Michael, to take that part out since we know Michael isn‘t one of those cocky artists who sings his name repeatedly?

There is no Michael on these tracks except for the copy and paste ad-libs. Breaking news is a poor imitation of Tabloid Junkie.

 

[Arklove]

Re: A List of Questions Regarding the Cascio Tracks

I'm so sorry that these scumbags made you feel like that

Thankfully I didn't buy it. Yesterday I got home from work and my son was DESPERATE to watch some Michael Jackson videos. His best friend has the Nintendo Wii game and, because they're so competitive, my son is desperate to learn some new moves. It was a lovely evening He loves Is It Scary, especially when Mike turns into the skeleton. Man... remember when Mike's name was synonymous with quality???

We're all in this together, Sam

Ugh...Yeah, I hadn't even heard Monster until I bought the album. When I heard it, talk about re-living the horror of BN again. uke: I was beyond disgusted.

Awww....Your son...So cute! I love Mike as the skeleton, too. Just too cool! He's the fucking best!

I don't know what's so biased about my questions?

I'm being fair here and I just wanna know other members answers. Yes there are more questions for "people who believe it's Michael" but I didn't plan for it to be that way. There's more questions for the contreversial tracks of course.

Why would people who believe it's another impersonator need more questions, we have nothing to prove? We're the ones taking a stand for this regarding our thoughts. We're the ones making our voice heard, sharing our opinions if we think it's Michael or not. We're the ones coming up with the comparison videos. We have nothing to hide.

Just seems like an excuse, for the people who believe it's Michael, not to answer the questions. Shouldn't be a problem if you feel strongly about your opinion, but it's still kinda funny that nobody who believe's it's Michael has the guts to tackle these questions.

That's my view

Very well said. We haven't seen any answers from the believers yet. That's ok. I'd rather not see a list of excuses that stretch beyond infinity anyway.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

why mikaeel's thread is merged to the great album debat thread?

 

[ivy]

I don't know what's so biased about my questions?

really? see the below bold parts of your post

Why would people who believe it's another impersonator need more questions, we have nothing to prove? We're the ones taking a stand for this regarding our thoughts. We're the ones making our voice heard, sharing our opinions if we think it's Michael or not. We're the ones coming up with the comparison videos. We have nothing to hide.

Just seems like an excuse, for the people who believe it's Michael, not to answer the questions. Shouldn't be a problem if you feel strongly about your opinion, but it's still kinda funny that nobody who believe's it's Michael has the guts to tackle these questions.

it's bias bias bias. and open minded person would ask the questions and wait for answers being respectful to any answer. It seems that you already approach the answers from your already predetermined - hence biased - opinion.

if you want to be taken seriously and get answers you shouldn't be insulting other people. you posted 25 questions which takes time to answer and if you cannot even respect the effort goes into typing such answers do not get surprised that people choses to ignore you.

As much as I don't like your above post full of belittling, I'll play along


For people who believe it’s Michael

1. How come the songs were registered the day after Michael died and not before? Why a day after, why not a week, a month? The songs wouldn’t get to see the light of day until a year and a half later, what was the rush?

They didn't know who would be the "executor of the estate" and tried to protect their rights. They trusted Michael when he was alive but they didn't necessarily trust the people that might be put in the place of running Michael's business. (Remember Jackson's were also trying to be appointed as executors) Ps : Registration is done to prevent stealing and establishing your rights

2. How come, during the teaser for “Breaking News” all we heard was an “ow”? Would it have mattered to give the fans a peek at the 1st verse, and the controversy surrounding vocals would’ve started early?

It's called "building the hype" - marketing101. Controversy had already started before, Roger Friedman were writing about it 2 weeks before.

3. What were your thoughts on “Breaking News” as you were listening to it for the first time?

Initial seconds: excitement "A new Micheal song after this much time" , 30 seconds in to the song: loss of excitement and brain working "is what they say about the vocals true or not"

4. Did you download “Breaking News” after it premiered?”

you mean ripping it from the website? It wasn't available for purchase

5. Were you surprised to find out a lot of fans were bashing the song after it premiered?

No. Like I said Roger Friedman was writing about the vocal controversy for 2 weeks, TMZ had been writing it for the last few days. It was bound to happen. we had seen TII sparking similar bashing

6. Why would Sony let fans hear “Breaking News” then turn around and release “Hold My Hand” as a single instead?

First of all, that was always the plan. Their statement said that before they started streaming Breaking News so the single didn't get changed due to controversy. I think they first aired Breaking News due to it's title / lyrics. Michael has been breaking news all the time , even more so after his death. they wanted his album to be breaking news as well.

7. Why were none of the Cascio songs singles?

Isn't it too early to say whether they will be singles or not? and even if they are not singles it makes sense after all this controversy. You don't fuel the fire.

8. How come there are barely any ad libs or high notes on any of the Cascio tracks?

Demo / guide vocals. My personal experience is such recordings are done to get ideas down and not to record perfect songs, artists do not necessarily give their 100% in such recordings.

9. How come Jason hasn’t said anything on this yet? When you found out Jason (allegedly) confessed, what ran through your mind? Before you found out his account was hacked, did you have second thoughts about it actually being him?

He did say something - twice - once in the estate statement and once through his manager. He maintains that he didn't sing a single note.
Confession - from the first moment I knew it wasn't him and it was hacked. and No I never had second thoughts as I talked with his manager. From the first day he told me that it was an extensive hack of Jason and they weren't able to get back his accounts and therefore asked companies (Facebook,twitter,myspace, hosting) to take down/disable the accounts and one by one that's what happened.

10. How come there are only 3 Cascio songs on the “Michael” album? If the songs were so real, why not a full album’s worth of Cascio songs?

Not all songs will be "good". So they could be "real" but "not good enough" to make the cut. They might not fit with the rest of the songs etc.

11. How come there is no studio footage of Michael recording the songs? Why do we have pictures of a studio, but none with Michael in it? Why would the Cascio’s have video of Michael from the 80’s but not in the recording studio in ‘07?

Because Michael didn't like to be filmed or photographed while recording - Dr. Freeze said so, Dangerous/history studio musicians at gearslutz said so.

12. Why do you think a majority of fans who have been waiting 10 years for this album refuse to buy it?

It's a free world.

13. Why for the first time in 50 years do us fans question Michael’s vocals?

Because he's dead. If he was alive and released this same album himself, we wouldn't have this discussions.
and every future release will be questioned with "would he approved this", "does this satisfy Michael's high quality" etc etc

14. Regardless of how real the vocals are, it has caused controversy. Do you think it’s a good idea to include more of these songs on the next album?

Fan in me says "no probably not". The business woman in me says "I need to hear them first. If they are good and real, there's no sense in making them go to waste". Controversy has already been beaten to death. I don't think any more harm could be done

15. How come famous artists and fans of Michael‘s, Usher, Timberlake, Bieber, etc haven’t given their thoughts on the album? Do you think they’d bash it, or praise it? Would their opinion make any difference to you?

I seriously do not care what they might think.

16. What do your friends / family think of the Cascio songs / album?

My grandmother doesn't think it's Michael (but she's not a MJ fan she's just repeating her tabloids - Roger Friedman mainly. My brother thinks it's Michael. My musician friends think it's Michael. I have some friends who doesn't think it's Michael. I have some friends (not die hard but occasional listeners) that think "Hollywood Tonight" is a fake song. It's a mix really

17. Why would Michael’s family and kids, the same people who are benefiting from the whole deal, question the vocals? Do you think they’d risk messing up the deal if they were profiting from the album sales?

You need to show me more than tabloids (Roger Friedman) that KJ and the kids said something. For the rest they don't make any money. So as money can be a motive , "no money" can also be equally strong motive. and as randy jackson himself said "jacksons and the executors do not get along".

18. If Michael recorded the songs, why for the first time in 50 years would he sing his name over and over in Breaking News?

When did Michael ever conformed to standards? The song called for it. Michael did put his name in "Do the bartman" - a song he wrote and he had rappers mention his name in the raps in his songs.

19. Why were the Cascio songs the first to leak from the album?

ask the person who leaked them.

20. Do you think Melodyne could actually do what it did to Michael’s vocals?

yeah. a single pitch change can make the "chipmunk" effect. so it's possible.

21. Why do you think it was so important to use Melodyne on Michael’s vocals for the 1st time in 50 years?

he's dead, he couldn't come back and record again. so they had to work with what they had

22. If the Cascio songs were so important to be included on the album, why would they need Melodyne to begin with?

they are demos / guide vocals.

23. Besides the Oprah show, why hasn’t the Estate / Sony tried to address the whole thing any further as to why die hard fans would refuse to by Michael’s first album in 10 years?

they did. both released statements as well. Estate specially gave a detailed statements to only fans. and most people moved on from the debate. there's no sense in pounding the sand and trying to change opinions is a futile attempt.

24. How come we can’t see the proof Sony did with the forensic musicologists?

because they don't have to show it. Other companies do not show similar things as well. Sue them if you want to see it. (sorry I had to say this )

25. Through this whole process, did you ever change your mind, convincing yourself that it was in fact Jason (or another impersonator)? Has your opinion changed on any of this?

No.

 

[kreen]

For people who believe it’s Michael

1. How come the songs were registered the day after Michael died and not before? Why a day after, why not a week, a month? The songs wouldn’t get to see the light of day until a year and a half later, what was the rush?

Because in the confusion surrounding MJ's death, the Cascios felt it more prudent to register the songs right away, lest somebody else try to lay a claim to them.

2. How come, during the teaser for “Breaking News” all we heard was an “ow”? Would it have mattered to give the fans a peek at the 1st verse, and the controversy surrounding vocals would’ve started early?

The teaser was to build suspense, so it made sense for it to last until the "ow", so we'd want to know what came next.

3. What were your thoughts on “Breaking News” as you were listening to it for the first time?

I thought it wasn't MJ. But I was listening to it as I was reading the fans' reaction on Maximum Jackson, which influenced my opinion.

4. Did you download “Breaking News” after it premiered?”

no

5. Were you surprised to find out a lot of fans were bashing the song after it premiered?

no

6. Why would Sony let fans hear “Breaking News” then turn around and release “Hold My Hand” as a single instead?

That's common practice : use an album track for a "preview", then the actual single.

7. Why were none of the Cascio songs singles?

Well, there's been one single.

8. How come there are barely any ad libs or high notes on any of the Cascio tracks?

I haven't noticed. Sometimes there are adlibs, but they're lifted from other songs. And I seem to recall some falsetto on some of the songs.

9. How come Jason hasn’t said anything on this yet? When you found out Jason (allegedly) confessed, what ran through your mind? Before you found out his account was hacked, did you have second thoughts about it actually being him?

Nah, because if an impostor WAS used, it is going to be dealt with seriously, in a court of law. Twitter and Youtube are for amateurs with too much time on their hands. As far as I know, Jason Malachi told the Estate's lawyer it wasn't him, so that settles it.

10. How come there are only 3 Cascio songs on the “Michael” album? If the songs were so real, why not a full album’s worth of Cascio songs?

There were supposed to be 5, and the rest of them will probably be out on other albums. Why not a full album? Probably because they wanted to use other, better songs from other sources.

11. How come there is no studio footage of Michael recording the songs? Why do we have pictures of a studio, but none with Michael in it? Why would the Cascio’s have video of Michael from the 80’s but not in the recording studio in ‘07?

Because they didn't film him during that particular time? Or maybe they do have that footage, but won't or can't release it. We have very little studio footage of MJ anyway, from all periods.

12. Why do you think a majority of fans who have been waiting 10 years for this album refuse to buy it?

I don't know if a majority do. Polls on sites like this one are not scientific in any way.

13. Why for the first time in 50 years do us fans question Michael’s vocals?

Because the vocals in question come from a surprising source : unprofessional sessions from an obscure period of MJ's life, in an unprofessional setting, with unprofessional musicians. And of course because MJ's dead.

14. Regardless of how real the vocals are, it has caused controversy. Do you think it’s a good idea to include more of these songs on the next album?

Yes, because those other Cascio songs might shed more light on the previous ones.

15. How come famous artists and fans of Michael‘s, Usher, Timberlake, Bieber, etc haven’t given their thoughts on the album? Do you think they’d bash it, or praise it? Would their opinion make any difference to you?

They probably don't care about this album as much as we do. It's not a real new album, it's more like a compilation of outtakes. Did all of those artists comment on the Ultimate Collection? Same thing.

16. What do your friends / family think of the Cascio songs / album?

They don't care.

17. Why would Michael’s family and kids, the same people who are benefiting from the whole deal, question the vocals? Do you think they’d risk messing up the deal if they were profiting from the album sales?

We don't know for sure what, if anything, the kids have said. It's all from indirect sources. And besides they're children, who were like 6 when the songs were recorded. As for the rest of the family, it's obvious there was a power stuggle between McClain/Jackie and other people.

18. If Michael recorded the songs, why for the first time in 50 years would he sing his name over and over in Breaking News?

Because he or the lyricist came up with the idea, and MJ liked it?

19. Why were the Cascio songs the first to leak from the album?

I don't know.

20. Do you think Melodyne could actually do what it did to Michael’s vocals?

I don't know.

21. Why do you think it was so important to use Melodyne on Michael’s vocals for the 1st time in 50 years?

I don't know how much it was used, or where. And I don't know whether it was used before, especially on Invincible.

22. If the Cascio songs were so important to be included on the album, why would they need Melodyne to begin with?

I don't know. But surely being recorded in 2007, by a tired/declining MJ, would explain why the vocals weren't that good.

23. Besides the Oprah show, why hasn’t the Estate / Sony tried to address the whole thing any further as to why die hard fans would refuse to by Michael’s first album in 10 years?

Because Sony doesn't care about a few dozen weirdos on message boards. Adressing the issue further would just give legs to the story in the media.

24. How come we can’t see the proof Sony did with the forensic musicologists?

Because they don't owe it to us, and because doubters would just doubt the evidence then.

25. Through this whole process, did you ever change your mind, convincing yourself that it was in fact Jason (or another impersonator)? Has your opinion changed on any of this?

Yes, I thought at first it was possible they used an impersonator, but after Joe Vogel's article, and the estate's statement, and the fact the album came out with no legal challenge, I now assume they're as authentic as any other MJ song, until new evidence comes out.


Have fun.

I hope my answers show up in the actual quotation above, I'm no good at these things.

 

[Graf]

The Questions for BOTH sides are fair.

For people who believe it’s Jason (or another impersonator)

1. How are you feeling right now?

Tired

2. Do you think Michael deserved this?

No.

3. What do you think Michael thinks about all of this?

Since it has divided the fans, I'm sure he would be angry.

4. Did you buy the album even though you had thoughts about the 3 tracks?

Yes I bought the CD.

5. Do you think Michael even recorded songs in the Cascio basement?

I don't know, but from what I've heard so far, I'm not so sure he did.

6. People who have become fans after Invincible, did this shatter your dreams, regarding sharing the hype of a new Michael Jackson album for the first time?

Well, I became a fan around 2002-2003, so this was my first 'new' MJ album, and it this whole situation is just so stupid..it really has made be not so positive about any future releases.

7. Does this give you guys an idea of how many songs Michael left behind if a major company like Sony / Estate can’t put together a solid 10 song album?

There is TONS of songs, hundreds I would say, so no they should not have any problem putting together an album..Just give us Michael Jackson's musical vision, that's all we ask.

8. Does anybody think Jason (or another impersonator) is profiting from the album since his vocals are on the songs?

I don't know, probably.

9. If you think Michael did record songs in the basement, where do you think those songs are now? Destroyed? In a vault?

If he did records the songs, I would love to hear the 'original' versions.

10. What do you think is the big reason for wanting to include these songs in the first place?

More songs=more albums=more money

11. Do you think Estate / Sony have a hard time telling if it’s Michael or not? Do you think they care? Do you think they were out to get Michael?

I don't know what they are thinking, but billion dollar companies know what they are doing.

12. Why do you think Teddy believes its Michael? Why would a producer like Teddy risk humiliation defending the vocals on this album?

I don't think he truly believes it's Michael, I believe Taj on his story of how this went down. He would risk defending the vocals because Teddy hasn't been relevant since 1991.

13. Do you think people were out to get Michael? I’ve heard Michael mentioning this a few times before he died, that people were trying to take advantage of him and they were out for his money. True?

Well, Michael has had people out to get him pretty much his WHOLE life.

14. Why do you think the Estate paid so much money for these songs, only to try and screw it up by including songs that are controversial?

Their purpose is to make as much money as they can, they don't care about musical legacy preservation.

15. If Michael is on the tracks, why would they make (Jason / the impersonator) sing his name over and over? Isn’t it kinda strange, that if they want us to believe it’s Michael, to take that part out since we know Michael isn‘t one of those cocky artists who sings his name repeatedly?

Well, your right, for these Cascio songs Michael is cocky, sounds like a completely different person and sings lyrics that sound like he would never do.

 

[samhabib]

1. How come the songs were registered the day after Michael died and not before? Why a day after, why not a week, a month? The songs wouldn’t get to see the light of day until a year and a half later, what was the rush?

They didn't know who would be the "executor of the estate" and tried to protect their rights. They trusted Michael when he was alive but they didn't necessarily trust the people that might be put in the place of running Michael's business Ps : Registration is done to prevent stealing and establishing your rights

Michael Jackson, the KING of music publishing, would write and record songs and not get them registered in a two year period? Impossible. Absolutely impossible.

8. How come there are barely any ad libs or high notes on any of the Cascio tracks?

Demo / guide vocals. My personal experience is such recordings are done to get ideas down and not to record perfect songs, artists do not necessarily give their 100% in such recordings.

Although in every other Michael Jackson demo/guide vocal that we've ever heard we hear ad-libs?

13. Why for the first time in 50 years do us fans question Michael’s vocals?

Because he's dead.

Because it doesn't sound like him.

22. If the Cascio songs were so important to be included on the album, why would they need Melodyne to begin with?

they are demos / guide vocals.

They're not.

23. Besides the Oprah show, why hasn’t the Estate / Sony tried to address the whole thing any further as to why die hard fans would refuse to by Michael’s first album in 10 years?

they did. both released statements as well. Estate specially gave a detailed statements to only fans. and most people moved on from the debate. there's no sense in pounding the sand and trying to change opinions is a futile attempt.

24. How come we can’t see the proof Sony did with the forensic musicologists?

because they don't have to show it. Other companies do not show similar things as well. Sue them if you want to see it. (sorry I had to say this )

Because they don't have proof. And their statement was as vague as could be. Detailed? They wouldn't claim to be continue to investigate if they were confident in their findings.

Sue them? They should sue the people that publicly called them liars, greedy, and killed the album. Until they do that, then they can claim that they're telling the truth.

 

[love is magical]

Re: A List of Questions Regarding the Cascio Tracks

really? see the below bold parts of your post



it's bias bias bias. and open minded person would ask the questions and wait for answers being respectful to any answer. It seems that you already approach the answers from your already predetermined - hence biased - opinion.

if you want to be taken seriously and get answers you shouldn't be insulting other people. you posted 25 questions which takes time to answer and if you cannot even respect the effort goes into typing such answers do not get surprised that people choses to ignore you.

As much as I don't like your above post full of belittling, I'll play along

Let's be fair. The post that you quoted is a response to people who accused the original post for being biased, which is not the case. Mikaeel posted a list of questions for both sides and did wait for people's answers. The thread was going well until someone came in and disrrupted the purpose of the thread.

Some believers, instead of answering the questions like you did, started saying it's a waste of time and claiming the original poser for being biased. If you read the first post by Mikaeel, what's so biased about his questions? I didn't know his stance until he responded.

Yes, it did take time to type the answers. He started the thread yesterday (EST), a number of responses came in. He responded with a second post today. It's not like he gave people 10 minutes to answer the questions. People from both sides have more than enough time to answer the questions.

Mikaeel is not the one who belittled others. He's actually the one who are wrongfully accused by others.

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

it doesn't work this way. how can we consider everything teddy said and just ignore his irrational behaviors? teddy's tweets show his true color. being rude to michael's fans, calling tarryl a jealous wanna-be and claiming michael is alive are simply uncalled for.

teddy himself seems to be uncomfortable with the cascio tracks. if he's so confident about the tracks, he would not need to engage in personal attacks.

Seriously I cannot understand why there's a tendency to look to one side of events.

sure Teddy was rude to MJ fans but MJ fans was rude to him as well. Sure he called Taryll names but Taryll called him a liar as well. and guess what Teddy responded to these attacks he didn't start them. and like I said he was quite rational at the start and later he lost it after all the attacks.

 

[kreen]

Re: A List of Questions Regarding the Cascio Tracks

Michael Jackson, the KING of music publishing, would write and record songs and not get them registered in a two year period? Impossible. Absolutely impossible.

You're flat-out wrong on this one : it is only recently that a ton of MJ songs from years ago were finally registered, including a bunch of material recorded with Brad Buxer, and several songs from his sessions with Bill Bottrell. And there's a lot of songs that have actually leaked and that aren't registered anywhere.

 

[ivy]

Re: A List of Questions Regarding the Cascio Tracks

@samhabib

I'm not going to respond to you because
a) I already answered you over and over again in the same topics. You don't read my posts and do not even accept factual information such as laws if they don't suit you.
b) you don't have an open mind and you aren't here for a "discussion". and I'm not looking for arguments.

Let's be fair. The post that you quoted is a response to people who accused the original post for being biased, which is not the case. Mikaeel posted a list of questions for both sides and did wait for people's answers. The thread was going well until someone came in and disrrupted the purpose of the thread.

Some believers, instead of answering the questions like you did, started saying it's a waste of time and claiming the original poser for being biased. If you read the first post by Mikaeel, what's so biased about his questions? I didn't know his stance until he responded.

okay let's be fair. I did see the thread last night and chose not to answer due to 15-25 questions difference because a)number of questions didn't seem fair and b) questions for one side (doubters) asked about mainly feelings/opinions and questions for other side (believers) asked for explanations/proofs. It was obviously biased.

The post I quoted above just made it even more so obvious.

Mikaeel is not the one who belittled others. He's actually the one who are wrongfully accused by others.

his second post belittles people and that's my opinion.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Seriously I cannot understand why there's a tendency to look to one side of events.

sure Teddy was rude to MJ fans but MJ fans was rude to him as well. Sure he called Taryll names but Taryll called him a liar as well. and guess what Teddy responded to these attacks he didn't start them. and like I said he was quite rational at the start and later he lost it after all the attacks.

Why you think I only look to one side? I know the type of tweets he received from fans. Is it right for Teddy to respond fans' attack by attacking them back? No, it's not. His own actions destroy his creditability.

Like I said, I can't just believe everything he said and ignore just the crazy tweets. We don't consider everything the Jacksons did and ignore just the questionable behaviors, do we?

He did call Michael's fans names. He did say Michael is literally alive.

Again, if he's so confident about the Cascio tracks, why he became so defensive? I'm sure it's not the first time people criticized his works. Did he react so irrationally before?

If Teddy's words are creditable, shall I always believe that Michael is still alive?

 

[samhabib]

Re: A List of Questions Regarding the Cascio Tracks

You're flat-out wrong on this one : it is only recently that a ton of MJ songs from years ago were finally registered, including a bunch of material recorded with Brad Buxer, and several songs from his sessions with Bill Bottrell. And there's a lot of songs that have actually leaked and that aren't registered anywhere.

Let's wait and hear those, shall we?

And other tracks leaked which weren't registered? They don't have to be registered by name. As we know from the Cascio registrations.

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

@Samhabib

I told you over and over previously that "Hollywood tonight" has been registered after MJ's death as "Hollywood". This alone itself shows that it's not "Impossible. Absolutely impossible." for king of publishing registering his songs late.

 

[Tony R]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

It's all going a bit Pete Wrong on this thread. If we want it to continue then it needs to calm down.

Like I said previously, there's only so long 2 sides can debate for before it turns ugly.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

@Samhabib

I told you over and over previously that "Hollywood tonight" has been registered after MJ's death as "Hollywood". This alone itself shows that it's not "Impossible. Absolutely impossible." for king of publishing registering his songs late.

But you weren't able to prove that it was a brand new registration. The original registration could have been amended to reflect Teddy's songwriting credit. So, my point stands.

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Why you think I only look to one side? I know the type of tweets he received from fans. Is it right for Teddy to respond fans' attack by attacking them back? No, it's not. His own actions destroy his creditability.

Like I said, I can't just believe everything he said and ignore just the crazy tweets. We don't consider everything the Jacksons did and ignore just the questionable behaviors, do we?

He did call Michael's fans names. He did say Michael is literally alive.

Again, if he's so confident about the Cascio tracks, why he became so defensive? I'm sure it's not the first time people criticized his works. Did he react so irrationally before?

If Teddy's words are creditable, shall I always believe that Michael is still alive?

I didn't mean you personally but more in general terms. I really cannot understand the downplaying of other people's actions and power of provocation.

sure it would be best if he didn't use cursing towards the fans but he experienced the same behavior. why not blame the fans as well? It seems like we are advocating that such behavior is okay and only Teddy is supposed to be the "big one". perhaps it's my culture don't know but I come from a culture that thinks "hitting back is okay if someone hits you first".

also let's look to criticizing. it's one thing to say that his works aren't good and it's completely another thing to say he's lying and his works are fakes. so it would make sense he would get different levels of defensive depending on the type of criticism.

I said it before my understanding that he doesn't think "literally" alive. and why do we solely focus on Teddy? Okay let's classify him as "not stable", how about other people? on what basis are we discrediting Bruce Swedien for example?

 

[kreen]

Re: A List of Questions Regarding the Cascio Tracks

Let's wait and hear those, shall we?

And other tracks leaked which weren't registered? They don't have to be registered by name. As we know from the Cascio registrations.

Dude, at least stand corrected when you're shown to be wrong.