Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF
technically settlements are preferred over trials.
technically settlements are preferred over trials.
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MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF /Update: Settlement Enforced - HTWF lost the Appeal
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maral
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he's so cute
lolwe need the popcorn gif
he's so cute
i absolutely agree
until i saw this post i was on the edge to burst into cry. i really hope and prey Michaels wishes is being respected
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Maybe I'm the only one here, but I'm not too upset with the outcome as TMZ described it. I would like HTW to be re-established in its original form and perhaps with the 20% income of the Estate, they could really make a positive contribution to the world and remind people of Michael's charitable legacy. As I understand it, the HTW foundation is like a fund that distributes its donations to various charities, right? And they are forced to demonstrate where exactly the donations go to, so if it turns out that they aren't spending enough on charitable endeavours we would all know about it.
Back when HTW was still active, it achieved incredible things and helped many people - particularly children - around the world. It got shut down due to unfortunate circumstances, but I am sure Michael would have no problem resurrecting this charity as long as it is run correctly and the donations actually go to good causes. Under Johnson's supervision, this was clearly not the case. But I have good hope that things will be handled correctly this time. The Estate has been very professional so far so I don't question their competences. Plus, they know they're under public scrutiny now.
Since all trademarks are transferred to the Estate (as they should be) I don't see where Mann fits in. As I understand it, the Estate is now officially and without contest the owner of Michael's image and likeness. So if Mann were to sue the Estate for these rights, he would have no chance. I hope we don't have to hear from him anymore... although I doubt he would let Johnson/Katherine get away with this so easily. After all, he did invest thousands of dollars in this venture and paid their legal bills.
The only part I dislike is Johnson's involvement in the charity. However, we don't know in what capacity she is involved. Since the Estate has full control over HTW now and their statements in the past show that they don't hold Johnson in high regard, I doubt she is awarded an influential position. She probably has a very minor role (and could of course be fired when she doesn't fulfill it to the Estate's liking), which I guess is better than nothing for Johnson, hence her willingness to settle.
Maybe this outcome is better than an ugly legal battle played out in the media (who are fully enjoying this spectacle) and it might benefit Katherine's health too... too much stress is never good for an 80+ year old. Also, this shows the Estate's willingness to cooperate with the family on certain issues so perhaps they won't be as bitter about them in the future.
I'll wait for further details though
Maybe I'm the only one here, but I'm not too upset with the outcome as TMZ described it. I would like HTW to be re-established in its original form and perhaps with the 20% income of the Estate, they could really make a positive contribution to the world and remind people of Michael's charitable legacy. As I understand it, the HTW foundation is like a fund that distributes its donations to various charities, right? And they are forced to demonstrate where exactly the donations go to, so if it turns out that they aren't spending enough on charitable endeavours we would all know about it.
Back when HTW was still active, it achieved incredible things and helped many people - particularly children - around the world. It got shut down due to unfortunate circumstances, but I am sure Michael would have no problem resurrecting this charity as long as it is run correctly and the donations actually go to good causes. Under Johnson's supervision, this was clearly not the case. But I have good hope that things will be handled correctly this time. The Estate has been very professional so far so I don't question their competences. Plus, they know they're under public scrutiny now.
Since all trademarks are transferred to the Estate (as they should be) I don't see where Mann fits in. As I understand it, the Estate is now officially and without contest the owner of Michael's image and likeness. So if Mann were to sue the Estate for these rights, he would have no chance. I hope we don't have to hear from him anymore... although I doubt he would let Johnson/Katherine get away with this so easily. After all, he did invest thousands of dollars in this venture and paid their legal bills.
The only part I dislike is Johnson's involvement in the charity. However, we don't know in what capacity she is involved. Since the Estate has full control over HTW now and their statements in the past show that they don't hold Johnson in high regard, I doubt she is awarded an influential position. She probably has a very minor role (and could of course be fired when she doesn't fulfill it to the Estate's liking), which I guess is better than nothing for Johnson, hence her willingness to settle.
Maybe this outcome is better than an ugly legal battle played out in the media (who are fully enjoying this spectacle) and it might benefit Katherine's health too... too much stress is never good for an 80+ year old. Also, this shows the Estate's willingness to cooperate with the family on certain issues so perhaps they won't be as bitter about them in the future.
I'll wait for further details though
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Yeah i dont have an issue with the tmz version other than johbson being involved and presuming the rest of the family and mann are out.other than johnson the estate has got everything it wanted without going to trial
btw check out the case section while we are waiting new motion by the pros to show TII clips and A.R pics
Yeah i dont have an issue with the tmz version other than johbson being involved and presuming the rest of the family and mann are out.other than johnson the estate has got everything it wanted without going to trial
btw check out the case section while we are waiting new motion by the pros to show TII clips and A.R pics
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I miss her too! I loved her spinning/dancing Kermit the frog!
Ashtanga please comeback we miss you:wub:
I miss her too! I loved her spinning/dancing Kermit the frog!
Ashtanga please comeback we miss you
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where can i read the estates statements?
where can i read the estates statements?
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF
we are still waiting for it
we are still waiting for it
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF
Joe Vogel just posted this
From the Estate of Michael Jackson: Press reports on TMZ and other media sites regarding the settlement terms between the Michael Jackson Estate and the Heal the World defendants are wrong. The Estate is taking back the Heal the World Foundation and all of the Michael Jackson trademarks it allegedly owned. The Michael Jackson Estate owns the Heal the World name, and neither Melissa Johnson nor her companies will ever be able to use Michael Jackson's name or the Heal the World name.
Joe Vogel just posted this
From the Estate of Michael Jackson: Press reports on TMZ and other media sites regarding the settlement terms between the Michael Jackson Estate and the Heal the World defendants are wrong. The Estate is taking back the Heal the World Foundation and all of the Michael Jackson trademarks it allegedly owned. The Michael Jackson Estate owns the Heal the World name, and neither Melissa Johnson nor her companies will ever be able to use Michael Jackson's name or the Heal the World name.
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF
They just think that the MJ fans are stupid or sheep.
They just think that the MJ fans are stupid or sheep.
maral
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so johnson is out? pleas God
so johnson is out? pleas God
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Okay....ermmm....Is it just me or does this statement reinforce the understanding most of us have based on the TMZ reports? The only thing missing from this statement is whether or not Melissa and Katherine have seats on the board? And still no mention of Mann.
Okay....ermmm....Is it just me or does this statement reinforce the understanding most of us have based on the TMZ reports? The only thing missing from this statement is whether or not Melissa and Katherine have seats on the board? And still no mention of Mann.
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Unfortunately, I think they do think we are stupid.
Interesting to see Joe Vogel is keeping an eye on this matter as well. So, it seems he's more than a writer who wrote a book on MJ's music.
Unfortunately, I think they do think we are stupid.
Interesting to see Joe Vogel is keeping an eye on this matter as well. So, it seems he's more than a writer who wrote a book on MJ's music.
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MJ fans are stupid or sheeps, we can do anything we want, they will follow like good sheeps.
That's the traduction of this statement.
MJ fans are stupid or sheeps, we can do anything we want, they will follow like good sheeps.
That's the traduction of this statement.
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Who's Joe Vogel?
Who's Joe Vogel?
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Yes, apparently so. And there you have it. If this is true, if Melissa is on the board, that destroys any credibility that charity might have regained. It's DEAD, now. IF this is true, I can see nothing redemptive about it, at all. I can't imagine any fan anywhere, would donate if Melissa is on the board. IF true . . .. "they" killed it. They should have FOUGHT for Michael. This was not a time to compromise. It was a SURE WIN.
Yes, apparently so. And there you have it. If this is true, if Melissa is on the board, that destroys any credibility that charity might have regained. It's DEAD, now. IF this is true, I can see nothing redemptive about it, at all. I can't imagine any fan anywhere, would donate if Melissa is on the board. IF true . . .. "they" killed it. They should have FOUGHT for Michael. This was not a time to compromise. It was a SURE WIN.
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yep..I think we need more clarification....
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Statement doest seem much different to what we have been discussing guess this is all we r gonna get.and we will work out the deal as we go along
Statement doest seem much different to what we have been discussing guess this is all we r gonna get.and we will work out the deal as we go along
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perhaps to not be shown to the media through the trial to be the utter nutcase that she is...
perhaps to not be shown to the media through the trial to be the utter nutcase that she is...
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So which part of TMZ version is wrong? The only difference is it didn't mention what estate offer them to get the trademarks and HTW name. I don't believe Johnson would just hand out these without getting something.
So which part of TMZ version is wrong? The only difference is it didn't mention what estate offer them to get the trademarks and HTW name. I don't believe Johnson would just hand out these without getting something.
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see the thing is TMZ's first story of "The attorneys settled the beef, so Heal the World can now use Michael's name and likeness" was wrong and TMZ corrected it in their second edit with "We're told the Foundation will transfer to the Estate all registered trademarks that relate to Michael Jackson.* MJ's original Heal the World Foundation will be re-formed under the supervision of the Executors" so now Estate is making this point.
But no details are really given.
edit : Joe Vogel says he'll have more details
see the thing is TMZ's first story of "The attorneys settled the beef, so Heal the World can now use Michael's name and likeness" was wrong and TMZ corrected it in their second edit with "We're told the Foundation will transfer to the Estate all registered trademarks that relate to Michael Jackson.* MJ's original Heal the World Foundation will be re-formed under the supervision of the Executors" so now Estate is making this point.
But no details are really given.
edit : Joe Vogel says he'll have more details
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Oh, you know what the difference is? They Estate does not claim it will be re-starting the HTWF charity. So maybe that's the difference. They will retain the name/trademarks but the whole charity thing may be wrong. hmm...
edit: What Ivy said above.
Oh, you know what the difference is? They Estate does not claim it will be re-starting the HTWF charity. So maybe that's the difference. They will retain the name/trademarks but the whole charity thing may be wrong. hmm...
edit: What Ivy said above.
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Selective talking by the estate imo.obviously they are only telling half the story
Selective talking by the estate imo.obviously they are only telling half the story
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Well, even if the Estate allows Mrs. Jackson on the board, if the ulterior motive of anyone was to get money through the charity, then that idea is now a dud since the Estate will be controlling what is going on with the charity as they now become responsible for the success and legality of it all.
Well, even if the Estate allows Mrs. Jackson on the board, if the ulterior motive of anyone was to get money through the charity, then that idea is now a dud since the Estate will be controlling what is going on with the charity as they now become responsible for the success and legality of it all.
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EXACTLY. I see no difference from this and the TMZ statement, with the omission of what Melissa GETS. A "settlement" usually mans a compromise, and both sides get something. I want to KNOW, is she or is she not on the board? If she is, that charity has DIED.
EXACTLY. I see no difference from this and the TMZ statement, with the omission of what Melissa GETS. A "settlement" usually mans a compromise, and both sides get something. I want to KNOW, is she or is she not on the board? If she is, that charity has DIED.
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Something's definitely missing. So the charity would disappear? The Estate owns the name. And? Johnson and co just realized they couldnt win all the sudden? They gave up just like that?
Something's definitely missing. So the charity would disappear? The Estate owns the name. And? Johnson and co just realized they couldnt win all the sudden? They gave up just like that?
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I will wait for further word from the estate...there has to be more to it than this....like Johnson and Mann has been booted out on their asses...guess we wait and see.
I will wait for further word from the estate...there has to be more to it than this....like Johnson and Mann has been booted out on their asses...guess we wait and see.