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the nanny Grace Rawaramba

Justice_MJ said:
You're wrong, my friend. Or maybe she was good to the kids. They're kids. But she wasn't good to Michael. Not good at all.
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Exactly. She was great with the kids..but was obsessed with MJ.

Demanding that he married her crazy a**....glad MJ sent her packing. Imagine that looney as MJ's widow....HELLISH.


I know this since I have got the words from two of them directly. I never state something I'm not sure of and I would never say/claim anything just because it's said in a tabloid.
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I don't know what your sources told you, but from what I gather, it wasn't MJ's kids that wanted her gone. But Randy, Jermaine, Alejandra and ALL her children.

Grace was there for MJ's kids only....she was adamant that the kids continue to live the way MJ wanted them to...and these jealous Jacksons couldn't deal. And their words were: MJ's kids aren't more special than Alejandra's or the other cousins. Alejandra's kids are unruly (duh!!! ) and promiscuous..and MJ's kids were never exposed to that kind of environment.

Grace butted head with Alejandra continuously.... She is not family & she doesn't have a trust fund attached to her name...so it was easy to send her packing.

Even though I don't like Grace, one can't question her love for MJ's kids. And her contacting DCFS was the best thing she could have done for the kids. They might be signing belt & heading fake charities, but at least they don't have to put up with unruly cousins.
 
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noirnoar said:
She also said, that she was surprise that MJJ was acquitted from all charges.
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Wow, she was a ****** bitch so. Good for the kids for sure, but these words....I need to heard by myself what she said, to know if it's true.

Justice_MJ said:
You're wrong, my friend. Or maybe she was good to the kids. They're kids. But she wasn't good to Michael. Not good at all.
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Ta gueule toi! :lol:

For the kids, there was no problems at all, for the " things " with Mike, I don't know like I said. Mike had so many vultures around him, his family included.
 
I had no issue with grace until she sold him out to murdoch when in london.for someone who claims to be such a religious christian on her facebook she did a great job of impersonating judas.

And then shes incredibly pally with the chopras.that says alot in itself
 
Wow this makes me sad :( Sure is a lot of unfounded **** (Rumors) hate and gossip being slung around as Fact in this thread. I hope you Dont believe everything you read or hear as being fact. We should always Require a reliable source when we hear such stories. and not spread them as true. So far not much has been provided here.

I Wonder why ?? :scratch: dont you ?
 
elusive moonwalker said:
I had no issue with grace until she sold him out to murdoch when in london.for someone who claims to be such a religious christian on her facebook she did a great job of impersonating judas.

And then shes incredibly pally with the chopras.that says alot in itself
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The same with me. I thought she was one of the good people around Michael until she gave that interview.
 
qbee said:
Wow this makes me sad :( Sure is a lot of unfounded **** (Rumors) hate and gossip being slung around as Fact in this thread. I hope you Dont believe everything you read or hear as being fact. We should always Require a reliable source when we hear such stories. and not spread them as true. So far not much has been provided here.

I Wonder why ?? :scratch: dont you ?
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my only issue is her selling mj out to murdoch.that action cant be denied
 
My sources are two of Michael's kids.

And I can't provide with how since that isn't allowed.
 
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moodyblue97;3382717 said:
My sources are two of Michael's kids.
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Tell them to check on the MJ boards, thread : Morons and vultures Jackson family so.

They will see the REAL Bad shit things that their wonderful family© is doing on their back :lol:
 
Diplomate;3382728 said:
Tell them to check on the MJ boards, thread : Morons and vultures Jackson family so.

They will see the REAL Bad shit things that their wonderful family© is doing on their back :lol:
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Sure..
But they do know more then people think. They're very aware since they do spend time on internet.
 
^^^ Btw, these kids on internet, everybody speaks about that now, but internet is not really " true ".

Everybody can be Jr, Paris or even Madonna on internet.

Too easy.

Anyway, if really these kids, check internet without a moron behind their back, they must know a lot yes.

If they got the brain of their father, it gonna be too much fun soon.
 
moodyblue97 said:
Sure..
But they do know more then people think. They're very aware since they do spend time on internet.
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This is very bothersome.. But please don't listen to Diplomate, they're always being sarcastic. It's bothersome also because Michael has shielded the children from the Internet, and if many of the things on the Internet about their father are being negative and hurtful to his fans, what that may do to the children's state of mind, I don't even wanna imagine... He always protected them from that craziness, and it's so incredibly sad that's out the window now...

Whoever you are, whether you know the kids personally or not, if you can make sure from time to time that they are being more protected somehow.. I don't even know what I'm really saying, because it's late, and I've found out today a friend has got terminal Lupus earlier this evening.. I don't know... ): Please, make sure from time to time, that they are fine, I guess that's what I'm asking.. ):
 
moodyblue97 said:
Sure..
But they do know more then people think. They're very aware since they do spend time on internet.
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this really is a shame....those kids are so smart I am not surprised at all that they know more than we think....that scares me to know that...I hope they are not confused.
Alma said:
This is very bothersome.. But please don't listen to Diplomate, they're always being sarcastic. It's bothersome also because Michael has shielded the children from the Internet, and if many of the things on the Internet about their father are being negative and hurtful to his fans, what that may do to the children's state of mind, I don't even wanna imagine... He always protected them from that craziness, and it's so incredibly sad that's out the window now...

Whoever you are, whether you know the kids personally or not, if you can make sure from time to time that they are being more protected somehow.. I don't even know what I'm really saying, because it's late, and I've found out today a friend has got terminal Lupus earlier this evening.. I don't know... ): Please, make sure from time to time, that they are fine, I guess that's what I'm asking.. ):
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yes..Moodblue please do as Alma asks and make sure those children are ok. Alma I am so sorry to hear about your friend,,praay for her.
 
qbee said:
Wow this makes me sad :( Sure is a lot of unfounded **** (Rumors) hate and gossip being slung around as Fact in this thread. I hope you Dont believe everything you read or hear as being fact. We should always Require a reliable source when we hear such stories. and not spread them as true. So far not much has been provided here.

I Wonder why ?? :scratch: dont you ?
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I agree.... Im suprised that nobody is posting facts even when asked... LOL
I dont think that they all are lying (about her selling MJ out to Murdoch and the trial thing) but all of the other info you couldnt possibly know because none of them stay at hayvenhust or know what REALLY goes on there..
 
Alma said:
This is very bothersome.. But please don't listen to Diplomate, they're always being sarcastic. It's bothersome also because Michael has shielded the children from the Internet, and if many of the things on the Internet about their father are being negative and hurtful to his fans, what that may do to the children's state of mind, I don't even wanna imagine... He always protected them from that craziness, and it's so incredibly sad that's out the window now...

Whoever you are, whether you know the kids personally or not, if you can make sure from time to time that they are being more protected somehow.. I don't even know what I'm really saying, because it's late, and I've found out today a friend has got terminal Lupus earlier this evening.. I don't know... ): Please, make sure from time to time, that they are fine, I guess that's what I'm asking.. ):
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I know about the sarcasm, my "sure" was also sarcasm. Regarding what they do on Internet has been better controlled the last months.

I'm so sorry about your friend Alma :hug:
 
chanel05 said:
Can you do me a favor by posting a link to the interviews on yt, where she talks about MJs trial, and the one about not coming back to work??? If not can you atleast give me some keywords to use in the search.
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I am not going to provide link, it takes too long to search, and I am sure you can find it some info in all for love blogs, and mj-777, and other blogs, if not on yt or vimeo.
search Grace Rwaramba and Daphne Barak interview. I heard the whole interview last year, hope some is still there.

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Grace has proved to be very foolish woman, heard that from other sources who have actually met her. Probably she is likable, but also I have heard stories, from other nannies who have worked with MJJ, and had seen her in action, this woman is anything but professional.

No one is expected to work for free, but when you happened to work for so many years for the same boss for over 20 years, sometimes you go extra mile to help him. I have worked for my team for free, and my salary was damn high. Because of extraordinary circumstances I was willing to sacrifice for the sake of the project and the future of company, and my team. I worked for my boss only for 6years when decided to help him, and didn't live on his house, never been on his house, never ever enjoyed the luxury, never had chauffeur to drive me around, never took me to the trip or vacation. And too, I had bills to pay, since I own the house and the car. Everything is not about money, but about mutual success, and help a person in need.
Whilst Grace lived on MJJ's house, and accompanied him around the world, and many times, she was seen as MJJ's escort on important events, she could have at least understand MJJ's situation, but I guess, she failed the test. She was acting like a nanny you hire from agency, no string attached. And that part made me sad.
I am surprised with her. After that interview with Daphne Barak, I couldn't believe, that money was an issue for her to comeback, for crying out loud, she was living on the same house, not that she had to pay rent or something. If she had bills to pay, I am sure Michael would have helped her. It is obvious he needed people around him, who wouldn't see him as f#$%ng walking ATM machine, but as a friend, a human being, a single father who loved his children very much.
 
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As far as the statement "Dont believe everything you read or hear as being fact." I agree. But, if anyone wants to find a truth, or dare to challenge, why not search for the source yourself. Don't expect people to start posting links and sources, to back their stories, because in most cases is not going to happen.
Search takes long, and official interviews are copyrighted. We cannot post links that would jeopardize the well being of our forum. Can we?
 
Yes, so another vulture in the life of Mike.

The kids on internet....Grandma Katherine must be very busy with her porn and stalker friends so, because it seems that nobody check what they are doing on internet, which btw, is very Dangerous for kids of just 13 or 14.

Mike must be so happy to see that....

Wonderful family© of course.
 
Diplomate;3383247 said:
Yes, so another vulture in the life of Mike.

The kids on internet....Grandma Katherine must be very busy with her porn and stalker friends so, because it seems that nobody check what they are doing on internet, which btw, is very Dangerous for kids of just 13 or 14.

Mike must be so happy to see that....

Wonderful family© of course.
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You know what..? Please, quit with this stupid attitude at once. Will you at least try? This is really tedious, if not obnoxious, your 'wonderful wonderful' sarcasms and the like. Who is benefiting from attitudes like that, really? I mean really: try to do a test and ask yourself at the end of the day who you have honestly helped with this attitude of yours. I've absolutely nothing against you, you actually seem harmless, but, by God, you have to be only human to be vexed enough by something of this sort from time to time. ...Come on. ...
 
Anyone who wants proof about Grace just needs to check You Tube, parts of her interview with Daphne Barak is posted there. The parts I heard back in '09 where enough for me, don't need to hear anymore and hopefully this interview never sees the light of day.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
I had no issue with grace until she sold him out to murdoch when in london.for someone who claims to be such a religious christian on her facebook she did a great job of impersonating judas.

And then shes incredibly pally with the chopras.that says alot in itself
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OMG!!! Hilarious....but true.
 
noirnoar said:
I am not going to provide link, it takes too long to search, and I am sure you can find it some info in all for love blogs, and mj-777, and other blogs, if not on yt or vimeo.
search Grace Rwaramba and Daphne Barak interview. I heard the whole interview last year, hope some is still there.

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Grace has proved to be very foolish woman, heard that from other sources who have actually met her. Probably she is likable, but also I have heard stories, from other nannies who have worked with MJJ, and had seen her in action, this woman is anything but professional.

No one is expected to work for free, but when you happened to work for so many years for the same boss for over 20 years, sometimes you go extra mile to help him. I have worked for my team for free, and my salary was damn high. Because of extraordinary circumstances I was willing to sacrifice for the sake of the project and the future of company, and my team. I worked for my boss only for 6years when decided to help him, and didn't live on his house, never been on his house, never ever enjoyed the luxury, never had chauffeur to drive me around, never took me to the trip or vacation. And too, I had bills to pay, since I own the house and the car. Everything is not about money, but about mutual success, and help a person in need.
Whilst Grace lived on MJJ's house, and accompanied him around the world, and many times, she was seen as MJJ's escort on important events, she could have at least understand MJJ's situation, but I guess, she failed the test. She was acting like a nanny you hire from agency, no string attached. And that part made me sad.
I am surprised with her. After that interview with Daphne Barak, I couldn't believe, that money was an issue for her to comeback, for crying out loud, she was living on the same house, not that she had to pay rent or something. If she had bills to pay, I am sure Michael would have helped her. It is obvious he needed people around him, who wouldn't see him as f#$%ng walking ATM machine, but as a friend, a human being, a single father who loved his children very much.
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ExoticPrincess said:
Anyone who wants proof about Grace just needs to check You Tube, parts of her interview with Daphne Barak is posted there. The parts I heard back in '09 where enough for me, don't need to hear anymore and hopefully this interview never sees the light of day.
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Thanks for the info.. I never knew she gave official interviews.. I would think that she wouldnt be allowed.
 
Hi,

i think it is really difficult to arrive at any opinion about Grace, because we don't know enough facts, we only know what was said in the press and the tabloids.

I have that interview from 2009 with Daphne Barak, and I recall that Grace was shocked when she saw it -- she did not tell many things that were presented in the interview. She was very upset about what was actually printed and replied to that in a blog or on a website...

We cannot be sure what is true even in that article.

From a TV appearance, I saw and accepted that she loves the children, she has been with them since their birth. Michael trusted her, she was a true friend. She was a good guardian of the children, knows exactly how Michael wants them to be brought up.

In 2008, MJs and here friendship was put to the test. I am sure there are many sides to that story, and if we only look what one side (she) did wrong, we are missing out at least one person, who actually decided to get her "out". Anybody who ever broke up with somebody knows that this must have been an extreme situation with emotions hot as fire. Whatever happened, it's beyond what we know, and we should just accept that.

just my two cents, :)
all the best,

Betty
 
I think the fact she went to barack to start with is enough of an issue. She was selling mj out
 
To know the truth, the best would be to have the full interview.

I don't know why they never released the full interview of Grace. Trash MJ is so bankable, and even if she doesn't trash him, since the 25june, interview with people who were around him are very bankable.


I would like to see THE FULL interview.
 
was there any said about thome thome fireing her? because of how he kept everybody close to michael away?
i also agree interviews like the martin bashir tape were also so twisted the full interview with grace would maybe bring much more light
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