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IMO I could understand it a Tad bit better if the drugs found in 03 were in his system in 09 but it was not. If Michael was taking pain killers in 03 and had a reason for taken them that is not addiction. We know Michael had arthritis I know people with arthritis who have to take pain killers to get out of bed are they addicts too? My point is if he had medical reasons for taking them....
very true.like with the nicole case u cant call someone an adduct if they are taking meds for medical issues.i dont see how u can make the jump from saying that someobe takes meds for legitimate reasons and takes the prescibe amounts to then saying they are an addict and take meds for no legitimate reason.this is what they are trying to say with klien aswell.Who knows about the ruling.he allowed kliens medical records in which are irrelevent to the case.yet keeps going on about it been about the 25th
 
Re: August 25th hearing

The defense is showing its desperation here. Blame the victim.
 
Re: August 25th hearing

I highly doubt the molestation stuff will be brought up as it has nothing to do at all with this case, totally different thing
 
Re: August 25th hearing

Its not the abuse stuff itself what they wanna bring up
 
Re: August 25th hearing

It's very likely about what was found in Michael's house during the search, to portray him as an addict. Read the previous posts, it's all explained there. :)
 
Re: August 25th hearing

It only takes one of the jury to have reasonable doubt to put this trial in the shit IMO. I have confidence in Judge Pastor to weed out all the crap given how much rubbish he's already denied the defence. But I'm getting a headache just getting my head around all this. God knows what I'll be like DURING the trial :(
 
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Well then we have another trial.its not one not guilty verdict and hes aquitted
 
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dunno. hanvt seen anything mentioned in articles etc. info will be around somewhere. be a week at the most i guess. but yeah we need this date as this hearing is crucial
 
Re: August 25th hearing

Sorry I was getting carried away. What I meant was that if there's anything but a clear cut guilty from every jury member then the media will still continue their bs.
 
My Notes From Inside the Court Room, Aug. 25th, 2011.

por Samantha De Gosson, sexta, 26 de agosto de 2011 às 16:49

Thursday, August 25th, 2011.

Court hearing began 15 minutes late with the Prosecution being scolded for showing up late. The excuse given was too much traffic in the elevators.
The purpose of this hearing was to rule on the motion for Jury Sequestration filed by the Defense.
Before ruling on the motion the Judge asked for the Defense's and Prosecutions' arguments on the matter.
Defense's argument argument was that this case might be one of the most publicised case ever and therefor called for sequestration and that despite the "hassle" it would be for the jurors this was the only way for Murray to have a fair trial.
The Prosecution's argument was that sequestration was not necessary and that there had to be a level of trust granted to the jurors. "Should they be treated like citizens doing their duty or should they be treated like inmates, isolated form everything"?
The judge then made his ruling" Notice of Motion for Sequestration DENIED.
He argued that jurors are told what is expected from them as jurors and citizens. Even if there sometimes are instances of juror misconduct, regardless of whether they are part of publicized cases or not. The judge carried on by saying that based on his experience, jurors want to do the right thing and also have lives. He would be providing admonitions with the strongest words about their responsabilties and that any disobedience would not only have an adverse effect on Justice but that it would lead to contempt of court and result in fines and possibly incarceration.
The judge added that that information will be out there but that he has faith the jurors will follow the high-road and that despite sequestration being a legal tool he didn't find it to be an answer because previously sequestred jurors have indicated it being so cruel that it interfered with their fair assessement on the trials, and that the issue of cost he previously mentioned was not an over-riding conideration.
Jurors will not be free roaming during the trial and will stay in juror rooms during breaks. Anyone who tries to get in the way of the trial in the court room and inside the court house will do so at their own risk. It will not be tolerated.
After the ruling and the Judge's speech, the Defense tried to argue again by saying that the Kasey Anthony trial was affected by TV commentators talking about the trial (the jurors were not sequestred) and that therefor the decisions to let cameras in the court room should be revised.
The judge answered by saying he refused to go back on his decision to let cameras into the court room and that he could not help the fact that reporters had the right to free speech eventhough sometimes they "speak from body parts other than their mouth".
Other issues raised during this court hearing: Jury questionnaires to be addressed in chambers. Proposed questionaires are being worked on and are needed ASAP.
The judge said he was also surprised that no other formal written motions had been addressed by either parties only one month before the start of trial.
Prosecution answered that a "lLmit of propsed witness list" motion had been filed earlier in the morning.
Prosecution and Defense also had given eachother further discovery right before the beginning of the hearing which included new Forensic Toxicology Reports.
Defense said they wanted to request a new Urine Analysis from samples taken from Carolwood (450ml found in jar and recovered by the coroner) and from the Autopsy despite the previously released Toxicology report.
The Defense argued that they wanted a new analysis done because of new recent scientific findings on the oral ingestion of Propofol.
The hearing ended with proposed start and end dates for the trial. The trial date which is supposed to start on the 23rd of September might start on the 26th depending on a Jewish holiday jurors might want to observe.
Other dates during the trial duration also include other Jewish holidays and Columbus day which the court observes.
Approx. trial duration 4-5 weeks according to Defense and Prosecution. Judge thinks it might be much less...


Samantha de Gosson
http://www.facebook.com/notes/saman...he-court-room-aug-25th-2011/10150294980888798
 
Re: August 25th hearing

So the defence are still looking to find something to support the drinking theory.there seems to be alot of things that need to be done. Makes u wonder if rhey wont be more delays
 
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After the ruling and the Judge's speech, the Defense tried to argue again by saying that the Kasey Anthony trial was affected by TV commentators talking about the trial (the jurors were not sequestred) and that therefor the decisions to let cameras in the court room should be revised.

Casey Anthony jurors were sequestered and they found "not guilty" because they had no access to the media and that's what Murray wants.
 
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Murrays and idiot.been sequested is the last thing he would want.makes u wonder if it was a bluff

not been ungrateful but why do fans go in the courtroom if they cant get basic info right.thanks for clarifying ivy
 
Re: Prosecution Wants to Exclude Molestation Evidence in Manslaughter Trial

This stuff was found in a laundry bag in the arcades with lots of various laundry from lots of various people.

Now you see how they tried to present contaminated evidence. They get clothes which was mixed with garments worn by other people and tried to make a case that the material on the clothes came from the wearer of the garment. This reminds me of them not using gloves to handle the magazines when presenting them at the grand jury hearing. Something I forgot, was that the search was made 8 months later. I would not be surprised if Michael really began to depend on Demerol after the kid's dad filed the complaint, because they did not show that he was dependent on Demerol prior to the allegations. Thank God for TMez.

Hey IVY you have a new title in red, congratulations!!!!!!!!!! I just noticed it.


Now the defense wants to test the urine again; and what new findings have been found in the world of Propofol that they want to utilize? Michael drank it and still has a clear tongue and throat. I wonder if they forgot that the tongue was removed for testing? Sorry to bring that up guys.
 
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August 29th hearing

Reagarding limit of testimony. Judge to rule on robel and about the defence having to show why they want to call certain witnesses
 
Re: August 29th hearing

Well it is little wonder why some of these people don't want to talk to Murray's lawyers. Look at what they said to the cops. Grace ya got some explaining to do



Defense lawyers for Michael Jackson's personal physician signaled Monday that they intend to rely on witnesses from Jackson's own inner circle to portray the singer as a desperate drug addict constantly "on the hunt" for the surgical anesthetic that killed him.

In papers filed in Los Angeles Superior Court, attorneys for Dr. Conrad Murray detailed the testimony they plan to elicit at the physician's upcoming trial from a host of Jackson confidants, including longtime friends, medical providers, the nanny to his three children and his make-up artist.

Most of these insiders have not cooperated with Murray's defense. But in the court filing, his lawyers suggest that accounts the prospective witnesses gave police concerning Jackson's drug use and career worries make their testimony vital to the doctor's claim that Jackson gave himself a fatal dose of propofol.

Jackson's longtime make-up artist Karen Faye, for example, told detectives that the recording star "was weak, extremely thin and seemed to be under the influence of drugs" the week before his death and told her he didn't think he could "physically complete" a 50-show comeback attempt in London, according to the filing.

A friend, Susan Etok, told police the singer expressed the same doubts about performing in the "This Is It" shows and asked her to help him get propofol and other drugs, the filing states.

The nanny, Grace Rwaramba, told investigators she had repeatedly tried to stage interventions and once fielded a call from Jackson's children when their father had passed out on the floor. She was fired two months before the singer's death after complaining about his drug use, according to the filing.

Whether jurors will hear from those closest to Jackson remains unclear. Prosecutors have questioned the relevance of the confidants' testimony. A hearing before Judge Michael Pastor is set for Monday afternoon.

Murray's lawyers have said they will present evidence that another doctor, Beverly Hills dermatologist Arnold Klein, was giving Jackson the narcotic painkiller Demerol "for no valid medical purpose" and that the singer sought propofol to deal with severe insomnia, a side effect of the painkiller that was hindering rehearsals for his make-or-break comeback effort.

Defense attorney Edward Chernoff said in an interview that the intimate accounts of Jackson's friends and employees were meant not to malign the pop star but to document a drug addiction that stretched back to the 1990s.

"We're not interested in character assassination. If the prosecution would concede the Demerol addiction, it would greatly reduce the number of witnesses we need to call," he said.

In their court papers, Chernoff and another defense lawyer, Nareg Gourjian, wrote that they expect prosecutors to argue that the singer was not an addict and only "liked" Demerol.

The defense also hopes to summon more than ten medical professionals to the witness stand to recount Jackson's use of and desire for propofol and other drugs. Among them are:

David Adams, a Las Vegas physician who the defense filing says told police that Jackson "was so familiar with" propofol that he referred to it as "milk."
Cherilyn Lee, a nurse, who is said to have told investigators that Jackson pledged to pay "her or another doctor whatever they wanted" for propofol.
Allen Metzger, a West Hollywood doctor who according to the filing said Jackson sought intravenous sleep medication two months before his death.
Prosecutors have asked the judge to bar testimony from other doctors and medical professionals who treated Jackson over the years, saying the only issue for jurors is Murray's conduct.

"None of these individuals was caring for Michael Jackson on the night of June 24, 2009, or the day of June 25, 2009, and none of these doctors was present with Michael Jackson when he died of acute propofol intoxication," wrote David Walgren and Deborah Brazil, deputy L.A. County district attorneys.

The defense also intends to call a Santa Barbara sheriff's detective to the stand to testify that a 2003 search of Jackson's Neverland estate in connection with a child molestation investigation yielded propofol and Demerol. A jury acquitted Jackson in 2005 and prosecutors have said they oppose any mention of the molestation case at Murray's trial.

Murray is charged with involuntary manslaughter. Jury selection in his trial is set for Sept. 8.


http://latimesblogs....nse-claims.html
 
Re: August 29th hearing

Yeah just saw that. Funny how the defence never questioned grace though. Lets see the fake ass get on the stand and say that no wonder she doest want to talk to them.
 
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And the cops did not find Propofol in Michael's house on 03 that is not true
 
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Is that what robel is gonna claim. Is that for defo just the facts do we have the warrants still
 
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To me, WHO CARES if what these witnesses are saying is true. To me, that makes this case even worst. If MJ had this bad of a problem, WHY WOULD A DOCTOR CONTINUE TO GIVE HIM A DRUG THAT IS SUPPOSE TO BE USED IN A HOSPITAL for surgery ONLY? Also, WHy was this kind of drug being used to treat a sleep problem? Also, why is a cardiologist doctor and NOT a professional who handles that kind of drug injecting that kind of drug along without the proper equipment? What Murray's defense is doing does NOT excuse Murray from bein at fault. I do not care what doctors in the past gave Jackson drugs, it was the drugs that THIS DOCTOR gave that killed MJ. And this drug mean someone has to injected, NOT the person. Even I know this. The defense is grabbing at straws and I hope the jury does not buy it.
 
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I hope the jury look at the facts. What this defense is bring up does not makes sense and have nothing to do with what Murray did.
 
Re: August 29th hearing

thanks for the article. let's wait for the judge's ruling... it's obvious to me that the defense is grasping at straws... and I am not even slightly surprised that Chernoff and co want to question those particular people. Karen and the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves.
 
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