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Michael - The Great Album Debate

^^actually, that comp made me angrier than ANYTHING else. wow. i had heard that the "why"s were sampled from invincible, but i didn't actually hear the back to back comparison until a few days ago. it's bad enough to use an impersonator. it's WORSE to really sneakily integrate real mj vocals, make me think i'm going CRAZY, play with us, all to convince us of your fraud.

i remember listening to monster for the first time. I went into it way skeptical, b/c i had already heard breaking news and thought it was fake. when monster started--i knew from verse one that it wasn't michael. i listened to the whole song literally just shaking my head and laughing. It would have been hilarious--if it wasn't so damn horrifying.

Anyway, i listened to the whole song, completely ticked off, until it got to the end "why'd you do it . . .why . . etc etc" I listened REALLY hard at that part b/c it did, honestly, sound so much like mj. I rationalized it away, but the "why's" did always bother me. but i was (and am) so sure the rest of the song wasn't him that i really didn't focus on it, figuring the impersonator had just managed to sound incredibly convincing for one line

Now come to find out those parts are just copy/pasted? It's unbelievable. it's so low. the fact that i was able to pinpoint the end of that song as less-questionable than the rest just further convinces me that i'm fully capable of differentiating between real mj and fake mj. one word? i freakin knew it. what jerks. no wonder they were so bothered by "take me away"==they're like, "hey, that was our idea first!"

so ya teddy. i guess you're right--no one can scream like mj. only MJ can do that. i guess that's what ctrl+c ctrl+v was for, huh? they're CRIMINALS. honest to god, this makes me so sick.
 
azsummergirl said:
^^actually, that comp made me angrier than ANYTHING else. wow. i had heard that the "why"s were sampled from invincible, but i didn't actually hear the back to back comparison until a few days ago. it's bad enough to use an impersonator. it's WORSE to really sneakily integrate real mj vocals, make me think i'm going CRAZY, play with us, all to convince us of your fraud.

i remember listening to monster for the first time. I went into it way skeptical, b/c i had already heard breaking news and thought it was fake. when monster started--i knew from verse one that it wasn't michael. i listened to the whole song literally just shaking my head and laughing. It would have been hilarious--if it wasn't so damn horrifying.

Anyway, i listened to the whole song, completely ticked off, until it got to the end "why'd you do it . . .why . . etc etc" I listened REALLY hard at that part b/c it did, honestly, sound so much like mj. I rationalized it away, but the "why's" did always bother me. but i was (and am) so sure the rest of the song wasn't him that i really didn't focus on it, figuring the impersonator had just managed to sound incredibly convincing for one line

Now come to find out those parts are just copy/pasted? It's unbelievable. it's so low. the fact that i was able to pinpoint the end of that song as less-questionable than the rest just further convinces me that i'm fully capable of differentiating between real mj and fake mj. one word? i freakin knew it. what jerks. no wonder they were so bothered by "take me away"==they're like, "hey, that was our idea first!"

so ya teddy. i guess you're right--no one can scream like mj. only MJ can do that. i guess that's what ctrl+c ctrl+v was for, huh? they're CRIMINALS. honest to god, this makes me so sick.
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In the name of dah SONy, the (missing) Father and the holy Ghoscios,

As I stated it a long time ago, the fact they mixed some authentic vocals here and there and integrated them into the fake one led to split the community. No wonder why some do hear Michael in those songs and some do not.

Those who do hear Michael are mislead by those copy-pasted vocals from Michael telling them that if at one point they hear Michael, Michael must have recorded the whore (sorry, I meant the whole) song (which is not the case as there are too many sneaky copy-pastes hard to pinpoint immediately.)

On the other hand, as the doubters focus on the fake voice, they conclude Michael never recorded those songs thus he's nowhere to be heard (which is also false, because the copy-pastes of Michael's authentic voice ARE there.)

And also, no wonder why there is a group of people swaying from doubter to believer group and from believer to doubter group, they as a matter of fact hear both voices.

Further on, as I already said, I prefer a million times "Take me away", because it's simply funny and we know it's fabricated and thus as such will never end up on an official album. But the holy Cascio tracks DID end up on an official album. So, for me they are liars and just succeeded in this sneaky business.

However the real responsibles in all this mess who identified those songs as Michael's and authorized them is the Estate! Sony is the least responsible here. They paid millions of dollars for them. They've been busted! I am even more disgusted by the Estate than by the Cascios.

The Estate.handles this fan community crisis very badly and I don't think that they will ever admit they did anything wrong despite their rush to carelessly allow those songs.

They give impression that they all just prefer keeping quiet hoping everything will be soon forgotten. Losing their credibility in the eyes of their potential customers is a perfect example of how badly a business can be handled.

On top of that they have a serious lack of imagination regarding MJ's promtion. As far as quality is concerned, it is absolutely not their priority, we all saw this black square around MJ's "remastered" videos on the last 3-DVD box. I mean come on, they are milking us to death.

What is making me puking is when you see how Michael was perfectionist in THIS IS IT regarding 3-D videos, the number of soldier dancers on the screen, the whole concert project. And then you go to the store, you buy the 3-DVD set box and you have a small picture surrounded by that black box. The funny thing is that the pioneers of blu-ray (SONY) decides to squeeze Michael Jackson's (the perfectionist) videos on dvd-format without even offering the blu-ray alternative.

So be it... NOT!

Boo! I've never ever been so negative about MJ in my entire life. That's why I am angry at this unholy trinity.
 
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lucilla said:
Let me know if you need help Arky :D
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dam2040 said:
I'll help to :ph34r: I mean, I did steal Bumper's camera from holiday :D
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Jesta said:
Bumper, you wanna be insulted...? Well I've had this on my chest for a LOOOONG time...
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Arklove said:
:rofl: @ everyone piping up to insult Bumper.....Bumper, you lucky guy! ;)

But, I still love ya :D
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I can see you all are zoing the seeds of love :D

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Yep, yep, love is everywhere I look.

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Thank you azsummergirl for the new comparison. I don't think anything more needs to be said. We have evidence as to how they fooled the analysis, we have a good idea about who the real singer is, and we know that all of this was meant to fool us rather than "complete" the song. What else do we need to make a convincing case?
 
Jesta said:
Thank you azsummergirl for the new comparison. I don't think anything more needs to be said. We have evidence as to how they fooled the analysis, we have a good idea about who the real singer is, and we know that all of this was meant to fool us rather than "complete" the song. What else do we need to make a convincing case?
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oh, i didn't make that comparison ;) i'm not sure who did it but i'm glad they did.
 
StellaJackson;3470074 said:
There isn't a Cascio track with that name. Edit: it was from Water.
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"Do You Want Me" Sisqó
Hill, DruDru Hill Written in 1999
Failed to make the Invincible album

The Gloved One was also removed by Jab Me Music.
 
azsummergirl said:
oh, i didn't make that comparison ;) i'm not sure who did it but i'm glad they did.
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Well thank you for sending it to me, at least :) Seriously though, this debate is now over. We don't need any other proof because we now know how they did what they did. That was all we needed.
 
KingMikeJ;3470078 said:
"Do You Want Me" Sisqó
Hill, DruDru Hill Written in 1999
Failed to make the Invincible album

The Gloved One was also removed by Jab Me Music.
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Yes but the actual snippet was from Water. It was not Do You Want Me. The Gloved One has never been uploaded either. People uploaded Cascio snippets under different song names to try and stop them being taken down.
 
Even with posthumous releases, especially the release of Michael Jackson whose significance is historic, fans should not be put in a position where we need to ask how much of the vocals are really sung by Michael Jackson himself? How much of the lead vocals is result of ctrl-c and ctrl-v from previous recordings? The situation is simply not right.
 
love is magical said:
Even with posthumous releases, especially the release of Michael Jackson whose significance is historic, fans should not be put in a position where we need to ask how much of the vocals are really sung by Michael Jackson himself? How much of the lead vocals is result of ctrl-c and ctrl-v from previous recordings? The situation is simply not right.
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It's an absolutely disgusting situation that never should have been allowed to happen. Allowing these songs to be on the record, especially after the reaction to Breaking News, was sheer and utter stupidity.
 
Damn, sorry :( Is this you, then? Similar hair colour!

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Well... Somewhat similar hair colour...

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I'll keep looking.
 
Lol... find one with a girl with waist length straight dark brown hair. ;)

anyway, how many girls did michael hug? he might have broken the world record of hugging the most girls... :yes:
 
love is magical said:
Lol... find one with a girl with waist length straight dark brown hair. ;)

anyway, how many girls did michael hug? he might have broken the world record of hugging the most girls... :yes:
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Getting closer:

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EDIT: GOT IT!!!!!

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love is magical said:
Wow... this one is really close. Lol...

Thanks for bringing me a much needed smile. :huggy:
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You're welcome :) I knew this day would be tough for you, as much as it is for all of us and I hate it when my friends are feeling bad!
 
love is magical said:
^^nope. it doesn't help. i'm jealous of that blonde. arky, is that you? :girl_tantrum:

this man had the most beautiful hands ever.
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LOL...nope, not me, I'm not that blonde :lol: I'm probably a little lower, though :naughty:

Happy Birthday, Michael...:huggy: to everyone..
 
Arklove said:
That comparison of Monster and Invincible.....'Why'....'Me'....'And he'.....How sick and sneaky!!
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Wow, this is amazing!
Does Eddie have access to the Invincible acapella ?
This can't be Teddy's / Sony's work, can it ?
 
Arklove said:
LOL...nope, not me, I'm not that blonde :lol: I'm probably a little lower, though :naughty:

Happy Birthday, Michael...:huggy: to everyone..
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY MICHAEL.


Thank you Jesta for taking the picture:
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Grent said:
Wow, this is amazing!
Does Eddie have access to the Invincible acapella ?
This can't be Teddy's / Sony's work, can it ?
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The Cascios indeed had a special relationship with Michael, so it wouldn't be surprising if they did have some thins from Michael that the general public doesn't have.

On the other hand, SONY most certainly does have the material from INVINCIBLE session. If Teddy worked for SONY, they could easily give him all the material he needed.

After all, Teddy did work with Michael and they did also hang around, so Teddy could have had it quite easily too.
 
You're welcome, Bumper! Now can I be in a picture??? Please!!!!
 
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