And you clearly have no idea what you're even talking about judging from your posts regarding this issue.
Let me ask you, do you think all of the songs on the The Ultimate Collection 34 DVD + 2 CD, CD are Michael Jackson?
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And you clearly have no idea what you're even talking about judging from your posts regarding this issue.
Let me ask you, do you think all of the songs on the The Ultimate Collection 34 DVD + 2 CD, CD are Michael Jackson?
love is magical
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Some people here really do try to have a disucssion with you. They've spent their time to respond your message point-by-point. Seriously, responding the way Bumper, Ivy and Stella did take time and effort. And, this is how you decide to reply people back??? Ridicule and belittle? Have you read what he said and given it a thought at all?
ADKIc3mAnX
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Is there proof you can use to back it up ?It's so obviously blatantly Jason Malachi, people. It IS Jason Malachi. I'm 100% certain. It's not Michael Jackson! SORRY!Much respect for all of you, though.
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We doubters actually have more proof it is Malachi than SONY/ESTATE has ever given us any proof it is Michael.
I'll keep this as short as possible
they are regularly being archived. would you prefer us to archive this thread as well like the rest of the "michael" album section? so what are we now at fault to choosing to keep this thread ?
and to quote you
you clearly state this is not "news" anymore and it's a "controversy". so where should have put this thread?
plus do you realize that majority of the forum sections are not public? why aren't you complaining about for example 2300 jackson street not being public? who do you think "pressuring" us to make that portion "hidden"?
murray case section had been private for a long time as well but I guess no one would remember that. and after a certain time after the trial it would be archived as well. I don't expect anyone complaining about that either.
the problem is that not everyone feels this way. I mentioned this before. over 800 people responded to our survey, yes we received the same complaint as you are writing but we in an equal amount received requests to close this thread / discussion for good as well.
the reality is the community is divided.
You don't have to be convinced and I personally do not think that they are trying to convince anyone. like any product you have the option to not like it and not buy it. I wrote this before multiple times - almost all posthumous albums had some sort of controversy attached to them. This is no different from the perspective of Sony.
again that's what the expert said on max-jax , take your issues with him.
and as a phd and doing research I can tell you that each research has to stand on it's own feet by it's own merit.
you'll hate my answer but in court of law yes.. have you heard testimony saying "counsel is leading / counsel is testifying"? You can lead anyone anyway you want in normal life but if you want it to be a "proof" or "evidence" you shouldn't lead. So I guess the question is are you trying to satisfy your own curiosity or looking for proof? leading would depend on your choice. so go and find an expert and ask if it's Malachi. but it won't stand.
fine. continue to do it. my personal opinion is that the "bad publicity" part for Sony is over and I personally do not see a reason for them to be motivated to overcome it.
come on bumper, read better. I don't know from my experience how Michael recorded. I know from previous examples that Michael mumbled, sang harmonies, made up lines, kept recording while boards collapsed on him and shouted command when recording. all of those recordings are publicly available.
you assume that Michael should have recorded perfect demos in Cascio's. I simply say perhaps he recorded not so perfect demos and they required copy-pasting to be completed.
if copy paste is not the issue then why are you all bringing it up every day?
read the complete sentences please. and I didn't deny the cuts or pastes. I said you don't know the reason for the cuts and pastes. you assume they copy - pasted parts to "michaelize" it and fool people but I'm saying perhaps there's another reason. For example michael sang "breaking lala news" and that's why they needed to cut "the" from someplace and paste it. To me it shows that they don't have access to the singer to re-record the "breaking the news" line and they need to copy - paste to finish that line. Again copy-pastes doesn't seem plausible to me if you have an imposter singing them. you can simply do another take.
you can believe it to be objective but it's not going to change the fact that there are people that don't think or believe the way that you do. so that would make all of our beliefs subjective personal opinions.
I wrote that some parts don't sound like Michael and that they don't sound like Malachi to me either. I wrote I am more likely to believe it's another imposter than Malachi. As I never said "100% michael" I obviously considered the lead vocals.
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let's not insult my intelligence please. You clearly challenge this website to "not Bow" to Sony and make this thread public. and I'm saying that even the notion that we might be bowing to Sony or have to not bow to Sony is problematic. You should have only argued about this thread being visible or not.
I don't care if you or other people feel pressured or not. We aren't and our placement of this thread has nothing to do with Sony. similarly not moving it to another section is not "bowing". I don't like the sentence of "not bow" as a staff. No one - not Sony not Estate - is telling us what to do or not to do. So I don't appreciate even the slightest innuendo that they might have some sort of say over what we do or don't do.
they are regularly being archived. would you prefer us to archive this thread as well like the rest of the "michael" album section? so what are we now at fault to choosing to keep this thread ?
and to quote you
you clearly state this is not "news" anymore and it's a "controversy". so where should have put this thread?
plus do you realize that majority of the forum sections are not public? why aren't you complaining about for example 2300 jackson street not being public? who do you think "pressuring" us to make that portion "hidden"?
murray case section had been private for a long time as well but I guess no one would remember that. and after a certain time after the trial it would be archived as well. I don't expect anyone complaining about that either.
the problem is that not everyone feels this way. I mentioned this before. over 800 people responded to our survey, yes we received the same complaint as you are writing but we in an equal amount received requests to close this thread / discussion for good as well.
the reality is the community is divided.
You don't have to be convinced and I personally do not think that they are trying to convince anyone. like any product you have the option to not like it and not buy it. I wrote this before multiple times - almost all posthumous albums had some sort of controversy attached to them. This is no different from the perspective of Sony.
again that's what the expert said on max-jax , take your issues with him.
and as a phd and doing research I can tell you that each research has to stand on it's own feet by it's own merit.
you'll hate my answer but in court of law yes.. have you heard testimony saying "counsel is leading / counsel is testifying"? You can lead anyone anyway you want in normal life but if you want it to be a "proof" or "evidence" you shouldn't lead. So I guess the question is are you trying to satisfy your own curiosity or looking for proof? leading would depend on your choice. so go and find an expert and ask if it's Malachi. but it won't stand.
fine. continue to do it. my personal opinion is that the "bad publicity" part for Sony is over and I personally do not see a reason for them to be motivated to overcome it.
come on bumper, read better. I don't know from my experience how Michael recorded. I know from previous examples that Michael mumbled, sang harmonies, made up lines, kept recording while boards collapsed on him and shouted command when recording. all of those recordings are publicly available.
you assume that Michael should have recorded perfect demos in Cascio's. I simply say perhaps he recorded not so perfect demos and they required copy-pasting to be completed.
if copy paste is not the issue then why are you all bringing it up every day?
read the complete sentences please. and I didn't deny the cuts or pastes. I said you don't know the reason for the cuts and pastes. you assume they copy - pasted parts to "michaelize" it and fool people but I'm saying perhaps there's another reason. For example michael sang "breaking lala news" and that's why they needed to cut "the" from someplace and paste it. To me it shows that they don't have access to the singer to re-record the "breaking the news" line and they need to copy - paste to finish that line. Again copy-pastes doesn't seem plausible to me if you have an imposter singing them. you can simply do another take.
you can believe it to be objective but it's not going to change the fact that there are people that don't think or believe the way that you do. so that would make all of our beliefs subjective personal opinions.
I wrote that some parts don't sound like Michael and that they don't sound like Malachi to me either. I wrote I am more likely to believe it's another imposter than Malachi. As I never said "100% michael" I obviously considered the lead vocals.
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let's not insult my intelligence please. You clearly challenge this website to "not Bow" to Sony and make this thread public. and I'm saying that even the notion that we might be bowing to Sony or have to not bow to Sony is problematic. You should have only argued about this thread being visible or not.
I don't care if you or other people feel pressured or not. We aren't and our placement of this thread has nothing to do with Sony. similarly not moving it to another section is not "bowing". I don't like the sentence of "not bow" as a staff. No one - not Sony not Estate - is telling us what to do or not to do. So I don't appreciate even the slightest innuendo that they might have some sort of say over what we do or don't do.
ADKIc3mAnX
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"Michael" is just like This Is It it's a project that never happened but the people close to Michael wanted to share it with us his fans so we can see what Michael was planning and creating.
Another example Best Of Joy was just vocals before the producers added the music and the doubters love it so why so much hate for the Cascio tracks ?
love is magical
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hey arky, stop lurking :nono:
we need instinctual posts here!
we need instinctual posts here!
I would love to post more, but this site is so slow, I'm ready to punch the computer...Seriously, I got smoke coming out of my ears :blowup:
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@ADKIc3mAnX.....BOJ IS Michael Jackson, 100% no doubts, and I can name several songs of his that compare to the gorgeous falsetto in this song (SPYHO, Butterflies, Fly Away, etc...)...That's all I'll say about BOJ cuz that song is undoubtedly MJ...so not worth it to debate...
Have you EVER heard any genuine MJ songs that sound like he does on the Cascio tracks...? There is no HATE towards the Cascio tracks, but concern and unanswered questions towards the people who have released these tracks so ambiguously...
If you wanna discuss the songs, then it'd be nice if you stick to the actual topic at hand instead of insulting people who have taken the time to answer your posts point by point...
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ADKIc3mAnX
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How do we know that the vocals on Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008 aren't the same ones from the original Thriller sessions ?
Yes, we have comparisons that can back this up.
Ah, yeah, so Michael Jackson just recorded Best Of Joy without any music... Listen, BOJ was almost 100% finished before the release, so you're wrong in this case.
And the "doubters love it" - well, maybe because it's Michael's voice?
ADKIc3mAnX
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I don't have that since it's not official that is a fan made collection not authorized from Sony or The Michael Jackson Estate
Because we can tell by the voice, just like we can tell by the voice that the Cascio songs aren't MJ.
Well, on your Youtube channel, you are unboxing it and talking about it so you obviously have it or HAD it...
ADKIc3mAnX
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Did you read his comment ?
You just put that video on PRIVATE. How embarrassing...
ADKIc3mAnX
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The official information claims it wasn't finished
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No, Michael is nothing like This Is It. Michael Jackson participated in the planning of the This Is It tour. He's hand-on and involved. Every single bit of the rehearsal has his inputs in it. On the other hand, Michael Jackson had never ever planned Michael the album. Stop glorifying Michael. It's just a posthumous album that seeks to get the highest return with the lowest overhead. It's the exact opposite of how Michael planned and created his albums. For me, the album Michael reminds me of Michael's absence even more.
I don't hate the Cascio tracks. Let me put it this way. I highly dislike the way they are being brought to completion. I don't know whether you have read my previous post in which I described how they are just barebone demos that are far from being releasable. How can they still be called Michael Jackson song when Michael's creative and vocal inputs are in such preliminary stage.
The vocal quality of Best of Joy is far superior. To me, it means Michael managed to complete almost all of the vocals. So, comparing Best of Joy to the Cascio tracks are like comparing an apple pie in the owen that is almost done to a few apples in the barrel.
ADKIc3mAnX
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Wait are you talking of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eclSb8ItI00 ?
I bought that a long time ago but I gave it away never really got the chance to listen to the CD's only watched the DVD's
Why did you lie?
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?????
ADKIc3mAnX
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Because when I bought it I thought it was official then I seen the quality and yeah you know the rest it was given away so I don't have it
ADKIc3mAnX
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BTW that video was made a few days after I got it thought I should make a unboxing to tell others
Yes, I am talking about that one. You just put it on public again, not sure why you put it on private if you didn't know which one I was talking about.
ADKIc3mAnX
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Because there are 2 on my channel one official and the fake one
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I hear you girl. MJJC has been running so slow here at work. I feel like going back to the dial-up age.
Unless Michael Jackson knew in 1982 that a guy named Akon will re-record WBSS with additional lyrics in 2008; otherwise, how is it possible that the background vocals are recorded in 1982. When Akon sang"We end up goining to her place. Wish I can tell you what I saw. Sexist woman in her negligee.... ", you can hear Michael's background. Then, when Michael sang the verse that starts with "You pretend that you are good..." you can hear Michael's voice is aged like fine wine. Gone is the youthful energy, but his voice became silkier and more soulful. It's Michael Jackson with his mature voice.
No song on Michael is finished. I don't need the official to tell me that. Michael Jackson is no longer here to approve any release. However, in my opinion, the vocal quality of Best of Joy is far superior than the Cascio tracks.
Yes, I did. What's your point?
No, the one you linked is the one I am talking about and was always talking about.
But whatever.
Oh yeah, the edit button doesn't even work for me. It's also going very, very slow, not sure what the problem is.
ADKIc3mAnX
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I said that cause on Billie Jean 2008 and Beat It 2008 the vocals were just added from the originals and some were recent.
And yes MJ couldn't have approved "Michael" since he wasn't there but he also didn't approve This Is It and on "Michael" he left notes with instructions on how to complete it so I guess he was working on releasing those tracks after or during This Is It.
The comment I left of suing Sony is because doubters will never listen to others I left a post with why I think MJ sings and what does the doubter do ? He or she say it's Malachi what info does that person have to why it's Malachi and not MJ just a video with Malachi singing