Michael - The Great Album Debate

Then why don't they give us proof that it is Michael singing??? If it was really him, it would be easy to prove it, wouldn't it???

Because they have no proof. Nothing. Just 12 songs that a) weren't registered until more than a year after Michael's death and b) share identical vocal characteristics with a known impersonator who has, since the albums release, simply dissappeared and still refuses to deny it.
 
If Michael did write and record these songs in his home, it would be very logical if he would mention something about that experience. Surely it would be a surreal, beautiful and impressing experience/joyeous event to work together with Michael or hear Michael record songs written by him (not sure if he really did, btw? source Roger Friedman). A dream come true for him? And absolutely nothing to be silent about in his book?

Yeah, he goes into detail about, for example, Michael recording The Lost Children, for Invincible as well as other tracks on that album, but nothing at all about the Cascio tracks.
 
Because they have no proof. Nothing. Just 12 songs that a) weren't registered until more than a year after Michael's death and b) share identical vocal characteristics with a known impersonator who has, since the albums release, simply dissappeared and still refuses to deny it.
Exactly!
Do the Cascios think them being silent about this issue will make it go away? Then they are wrong. How can we forget this insult to Michael's legacy and art?!
 
@kreen

read the book yourself. Stella is also totally omitting their history with McClain that goes back to 2001.

For example Frank says McClain wanted to fire Brad Buxter and he talked Michael against it. There are also other events such as during YRMW video and about Michael's assitant etc. Frank and McClain pretty much have been butting heads for a while.
 
@kreen

read the book yourself. Stella is also totally omitting their history with McClain that goes back to 2001.

For example Frank says McClain wanted to fire Brad Buxter and he talked Michael against it. There are also other events such as during YRMW video and about Michael's assitant etc. Frank and McClain pretty much have been butting heads for a while.
And how do you know he's telling the truth??
Michael's dead, he can talk as much as he wants now...

Since you are in private contact with him, can't you ask him for a proof that Michael really recorded these songs? A real proof, not excuses.
 
And how do you know he's telling the truth??
Michael's dead, he can talk as much as he wants now...

Since you are in private contact with him, can't you ask him for a proof that Michael really recorded these songs? A real proof, not excuses.

Did I claim he's telling the truth? I said read the book yourself because Stella isn't mentioning what he wrote about McClain.

and I guess you can always check it by asking Brad Buxter - he's still alive.

and why would I do that after you called me everything under the sun?

edited to add: and more importantly why would Frank and/or Eddie would do that when you have nothing but hate and accusations against them?
 
Because they have no proof. Nothing. Just 12 songs that a) weren't registered until more than a year after Michael's death

You don't have a slightest idea how US Copyright Office registrations work.

If what you claim was true, it would be the easiest thing in the world to contest the registration. Yet there's no legal action and never will be.
Several people that have actually studied law and know about legal things have tried to explain some things, yet what they have said has just fallen on deaf ears. Well, that way your frustration will never stop to cease and you will have a hard time to call other people liars, idiots or whatever and refer to yourself as the self-proclaimed "knowers".

Good day!
 
@kreen

read the book yourself. Stella is also totally omitting their history with McClain that goes back to 2001.

For example Frank says McClain wanted to fire Brad Buxter and he talked Michael against it. There are also other events such as during YRMW video and about Michael's assitant etc. Frank and McClain pretty much have been butting heads for a while.

I was talking about what Frank said or rather didn't say about the recording sessions in his house. Why would I need to bring up the history between McClain and frank?
 
You don't have a slightest idea how US Copyright Office registrations work.

If what you claim was true, it would be the easiest thing in the world to contest the registration. Yet there's no legal action and never will be.
Several people that have actually studied law and know about legal things have tried to explain some things, yet what they have said has just fallen on deaf ears. Well, that way your frustration will never stop to cease and you will have a hard time to call other people liars, idiots or whatever and refer to yourself as the self-proclaimed "knowers".

Good day!

And you have no idea what Mj Songbook 2009 #1 contains. Show me hard proof that these specific 12 songs were registered before 2010. And while we are at it, can you tell me the software that caused the vibrato to become so shaky that it matches Jason Malachi's exactly?
 
I was talking about what Frank said or rather didn't say about the recording sessions in his house. Why would I need to bring up the history between McClain and frank?

He clearly insinuates that some people turned against them and if you -as you did in your post bring information that we already know - realize that he's talking about McClain. so omitting that is a clear bias.

if you are going to provide information you need to provide it all. Pick and choosing makes it not credible.

edited to add: He actually names John Mcclain.
 
He clearly insinuates that some people turned against them and if you -as you did in your post bring information that we already know - realize that he's talking about McClain. so omitting that is a clear bias.

if you are going to provide information you need to provide it all. Pick and choosing makes it not credible.

Again, I was talking about what Frank didn't say about the recording process. Absolutely nothing to do with John McClain whatsoever.
 
that's omitting a piece of the puzzle. and you know it.

Once again, until it gets through, all I was talking about what was Frank did or didn't say about the recording of the songs during Michael's stay. That has nothing to do with John McClain. He wasn't there. You are just trying to defend the fact that Frank is unable to provide any details about the recording of the songs. And it's a bit rich telling me I'm missing a part of the puzzle when you haven't even listened to all the songs. I know you think you're superior to everyone else here. But let me telling you something: you're not.
 
Looking at the handwritten list of songs that came from the Murray documentary, then we can see that one thing Taryll said is very true: the Cascio tracks were not on Michael's radar. 12 songs and not one of them is mentioned in that list despite Michael supposedly being so pleased with them. Come on.
 
Once again, until it gets through, all I was talking about what was Frank did or didn't say about the recording of the songs during Michael's stay. That has nothing to do with John McClain. He wasn't there. You are just trying to defend the fact that Frank is unable to provide any details about the recording of the songs. And it's a bit rich telling me I'm missing a part of the puzzle when you haven't even listened to all the songs. I know you think you're superior to everyone else here. But let me telling you something: you're not.

I don't feel superior to anyone here, that's your delusion.

secondly I have been in this thread long enough to see how people over and over and over mentioned what Taryll tweeted about Frank and how betrayed his uncle. Just days ago on the book thread you all questioned Frank's credibility due to that "betrayal". Now Frank gives you his version about what went between him and McClain and why he could be against the songs, yet you choose to omit it? Why because it doesn't fit to your train of thought?

and thank you for making one point of mine - Frank never ever promised to provide any details about the recording sessions. it's a hype yourselves created.

and if you actually read the book you will see that Frank says he was working at Manhattan at that time and visited the house. He never says he was involved or present during the recordings. . He always says Michael was recording with Eddie bot Frank. So you omit McClain because he wasn't there, yet you expect Frank to provide you information when he wasn't involved and not even in the studio?


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Btw I'll make something clear , if you are going to respond to me, you'll need to stop attacking me personally. I will start reporting it ( I won't moderate it but report it to other moderators), also I'll treat you the way you treat me - with same respect or disrespect.
 
I believe the songs aren't Michael 100%, but even if he did disclose details of the songs recordings in this book, re-iterating things said by the Cascio's previously with maybe some new little bits, would anyone actually change their mind?

It wouldn't change a thing.
 
I believe the songs aren't Michael 100%, but even if he did disclose details of the songs recordings in this book, re-iterating things said by the Cascio's previously with maybe some new little bits, would anyone actually change their mind?

It wouldn't change a thing.


no , no one would. it's futile. I seriously do not understand why people are angry or what are they expecting. it's not like Frank is going to say something to them and they'll go "oh yeah it's Michael". So I don't understand this push for "tell it".
 
I don't feel superior to anyone here, that's your delusion.

secondly I have been in this thread long enough to see how people over and over and over mentioned what Taryll tweeted about Frank and how betrayed his uncle. Just days ago on the book thread you all questioned Frank's credibility due to that "betrayal". Now Frank gives you his version about what went between him and McClain and why he could be against the songs, yet you choose to omit it? Why because it doesn't fit to your train of thought?

and thank you for making one point of mine - Frank never ever promised to provide any details about the recording sessions. it's a hype yourselves created.

and if you actually read the book you will see that Frank says he was working at Manhattan at that time and visited the house. He never says he was involved or present during the recordings. . He always says Michael was recording with Eddie bot Frank. So you omit McClain because he wasn't there, yet you expect Frank to provide you information when he wasn't involved and not even in the studio?


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Btw I'll make something clear , if you are going to respond to me, you'll need to stop attacking me personally. I will start reporting it ( I won't moderate it but report it to other moderators), also I'll treat you the way you treat me - with same respect or disrespect.

I stated in my original post that Frank said he frequently visited. As far as what happened between McClain and Frank, I don't care. I have no interest in who was right or who was wrong at that time. Likewise, I don't care what happened between Michael and Frank's supposed betrayal. All I am interested in is Michael's art being respected. I, and many other fans, feel that those 12 songs are a huge insult and disrespect to Michael. They are completely indefensible. We have 12 songs, with no evidence of Michael ever recording them, that sound very unlike Michael, as many many fans have stated, yet so much like Jason. We have comparisons that prove those similarities. The vibrato, accent, pronounciation etc. The reason for those similarities can be argued, but the fact is that they are there. Beyond Jason being the singer, no coherent explanation has been provided. We have shown that Teddy Riley's excuse of his use of melodyne is a lie as the vibrato is present on tracks that he didn't work on, including the ones he did work on before he got them. The company who developed the melodyne software have gone on record as stating that melodyne does not affect vibrato to that degree. Nor does any other known "processing" technique. With so many people doubting these songs, clearly something is wrong and with all that we have, it is painfully obvious what. Even Anthony Curtis still stands by the fact that he clearly recognises Jason on these tracks. Some of us have made contact with him and with Jason. He still will not deny his involvement.
 
I stated in my original post that Frank said he frequently visited.

yes but he never says he was in the studio actually he says during that time he and Eddie wasn't getting along and they actually held a grudge against each other.

and Stella you don't need to write the rest honestly. We all know how you think / feel / believe.
 
I hope and pray we get clear defined awnsers and evidence to these songs. As far as im concerned comparesions arent evidence. The mind can play tricks.
 
Some of us have made contact with him and with Jason. He still will not deny his involvement.

This I just love, because this is so very indicative of everything that is wrong with the pro-fake theory. If the Cascio songs are a hoax, like you say, then Jason Malachi is obviously an incredible liar and fraudster. He had no qualms about pretending to be someone he is not on an official, mainstream music release, probably in exchange for money. The legal risks for him and his family, if he were to be discovered, would be enormous : we're talking jail time, huge financial risks, and everything. So according to your own theory, the man is a liar and a fraud -- bigtime.

Yet you are still inclined to believe him when he says it might be him on the record.

Let me put it another way. He's an amateur singer trying to make it as a professional. The ONLY reason you and I are even talking about him, and his whole claim to fame really, is his connection to Michael Jackson. So it's GOOD for him that people such as yourself think he's singing on the record. Why would he deny it? Ironically, of course, he would deny it if he REALLY were singing on the record, because then he'd know he was a criminal, and wouldn't want people -- like you, for instance -- to get the impression he's guilty.

In other words, this is an example of all of the mistakes the pro-fake people make. You take a tidbit of information that, in itself, doesn't prove a hoax was perpetrated, and could actually indicate the exact opposite, but you twist it so it fits in your theory.
 
This I just love, because this is so very indicative of everything that is wrong with the pro-fake theory. If the Cascio songs are a hoax, like you say, then Jason Malachi is obviously an incredible liar and fraudster. He had no qualms about pretending to be someone he is not on an official, mainstream music release, probably in exchange for money. The legal risks for him and his family, if he were to be discovered, would be enormous : we're talking jail time, huge financial risks, and everything. So according to your own theory, the man is a liar and a fraud -- bigtime.

Yet you are still inclined to believe him when he says it might be him on the record.

Let me put it another way. He's an amateur singer trying to make it as a professional. The ONLY reason you and I are even talking about him, and his whole claim to fame really, is his connection to Michael Jackson. So it's GOOD for him that people such as yourself think he's singing on the record. Why would he deny it? Ironically, of course, he would deny it if he REALLY were singing on the record, because then he'd know he was a criminal, and wouldn't want people -- like you, for instance -- to get the impression he's guilty.

In other words, this is an example of all of the mistakes the pro-fake people make. You take a tidbit of information that, in itself, doesn't prove a hoax was perpetrated, and could actually indicate the exact opposite, but you twist it so it fits in your theory.

I've no doubt that Jason thinks he can get away with anything, he's arrogant enough to. Just look at his interview from June last year. Jason has never said it might be him on the record. Certainly not to me. He doesn't need to be an incredible liar. He has never spoken publicly about the songs. It certainly isn't good for him. His career has been destroyed. He hasn't performed in public since the month before the album came out and still has no online presence at all. There is no sign of his new album that was supposed to be out by now. Something made him stop any efforts to further his career as "Jason Malachi". He is hated by a great number of MJ fans, the very people who gave him much of his audience in the first place!yet he does nothing to address the serious allegations against him. You didn't answer my previous question. Exactly what software do you know of that could, for these 12 songs only, cause Michael's vibrato to be shaky, and for his accent and prouniciation to change? So much so that they are an exact match for Jason Cupeta.
 
Ya stella we all know how u feel already so your voice is unnecessary. *sarcasm*

um.ok. Could say the same for everyone in this thread. For that matter I guess this whole forum is unnecessary. We all already know we love mj, I guess theres nothing to discuss.
 
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His career has been destroyed. He hasn't performed in public since the month before the album came out and still has no online presence at all. There is no sign of his new album that was supposed to be out by now. Something made him stop any efforts to further his career as "Jason Malachi". He is hated by a great number of MJ fans, the very people who gave him much of his audience in the first place!yet he does nothing to address the serious allegations against him.
Exactly right!!! :)
 
I think it should be so obvious Jason is singing from the hundred or so comparisons made between the Cascio vocalist and Jason Malachi, yet NONE made between the Cascio vocalist and Michael Jackson.

To me it seems like the most musically trained ears realize it's not Michael. The ones that know chords, know notes, know how a song is built and all that goes into the production of a song. People like Birchey and TPIMaster, a highly respected musician and someone who obviously knows music very well, know that Jason Malachi is the vocalist.

Obviously, Michael Jackson is arguably the biggest superstar in our lifetime. There's going to be a fan with a highly trained musical ear who can pick out where Michael sounded similar to the Cascio songs and compare them. Yet, no one has been able to do it yet.

I don't claim to know music very well technically but I just have observed that it seems that these "doubters" can hear and name notes, can tell when something is pitched differently. They have GREAT ears, I admit that they are better than mine, and they should not be brushed off as crazy!

Seriously, think if YOU would be able to create the remixes like Birchey has or the comparisons like TPIMaster. Think you'd be able to? I know I wouldn't.
 
Did I claim he's telling the truth? I said read the book yourself because Stella isn't mentioning what he wrote about McClain.

and I guess you can always check it by asking Brad Buxter - he's still alive.

and why would I do that after you called me everything under the sun?

edited to add: and more importantly why would Frank and/or Eddie would do that when you have nothing but hate and accusations against them?
I did what? That's new to me...
You wouldn't do ME a favor. I'm not the one about who people think that they betrayed Michael and insulted his art...
And to your edit: They should ask themselves WHY there's such a hate towards them...
We know anyway there's no proof...
 
Ya stella we all know how u feel already so your voice is unnecessary. *sarcasm*

I didn't say that. I meant repeating the vibrato for the 11,875,345th time is unnecessary - as we already know it and we were discussing a whole different topic.

discussion is when you bring something new to the argument so that people can evaluate and expand on it. Writing the same thing over and over and over again is well going in circles with no new thing.
 
Ya stella we all know how u feel already so your voice is unnecessary. *sarcasm*

um.ok. Could say the same for everyone in this thread. For that matter I guess this whole forum is unnecessary. We all already know we love mj, I guess theres nothing to discuss.

You don't think I take any notice do you? :)
 
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