Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael"/ Excerpt @pg151/New Interview Post 3743

[missred07]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

Oh ok, I was just going based on what suzynyc said...I was worried that Frank was implying he never went to rehab and it was an 'excuse' to get out of being arrested or something..

Thanks for clearing it up.

No problems. Frank actually said MJ was in rehab. MJ called them everyday. MJ complained about the first facility. Elton John helped and transfer MJ to a new one. MJ was happy and relaxed there and asked Eddie and Frank to visit him. They both went to the facility to accompany MJ. So basically, MJ was in rehab facility.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

in this post is seems as Frank is being defended and Michael is the one being thrown under the bus. HOW do WE KNOW that is what Michael TOLD Frank? Because Frank says so? This is what I mean about this book ..people are taking Frank's words as law. Not me...if Michael didn't tell it...WHY should I believe Frank...even if he had good intentions.

edited to add..I did see in your post where you DID say WHO KNOWS? I agree we dont know, therefore I personally cannot take Frank's word. Why would I. Just saying,

Exactly! No one knows except Michael himself and his management at that time. And, I don't take Frank's words neither. I don't necessarily believe in everything Frank said. Not saying he's lieing; but, there are too many possibilities on how information could be miscommunicated and/or misinterpreted.

Anyway, Frank didn't throw Michael under the bus. He's not saying "Oh Michael was afraid he'd be arrested in Puerto Rico, so he lied, cancelled the tour and went to London." Frank said Elizabeth Tayloer came to Mexico and told them Michael needed help. He said it's so very sad to see the tour ended in Mexico city. He and Eddie cried their eyes out. It's actually a heartbreaking story.

 

[Justice_MJ]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

Seems like Michael was not always honest with Frank or let's say omitted the truth and information. That's how much of a friend Frank was to him...

 

[loveforever]

I won't say that it's like Roger Friedman's column. Frank is actually knew MJ for more than a decades. I didn't get the feeling like RF's column, but again, it's only my point of view. You can have yours. However, I do agree that I get skeptical about ignoring the Jacksons and especially the Schumley part (The Jackson part might because they rarely saw MJ??). As I stated multiple time that I was really bugged by the fact that he is supporting Schumley's books (The first book is really like Bashir's documentary). I also kind of agreed with you that he overlooked those people because they are alive but I kind of think it's human nature. It's indeed sad that MJ can't speak for himself.

Knowing a person for decade meant nothing to me, only how they treated Michael matter. my impression of the whole book is Michael was not being treated fairly and sometimes I felt Frank tried to manipulate the events or stories to portray MJ the way he wanted. that's what I meant remind me of Roger Friedman.I will just give you a example of what I meant:

Frank's version from his book:
Lisa tried to understand and accommodate herself to Michael's personality, but I think the burden of making the relationship work fell entirely on her. As far as I could tell, Michael was never emotionally there for Lisa. She definitely tried to make the marriage work, but it must have been hard for her to figure out what her role was in Michael's complicated life.

Lisa Marie's own words:
“He honestly tried so hard and went through so much with me,” she says. “He’s never done that with any other female. … I didn’t appreciate it then, and I wish I did.”

Karen Faye's version about the mj/lmp marriage:
Her behavior while married to Michael was inexplicable at best, Karen claims. Nothing seemed to work for her because she was very “confused” and, from what she’s saying, very troubled.
“she was a lovely person before they married. she pursued him with a vengence even when she was still married. she did not smoke or drink,” Karen says.
“as soon as they got married, she drank, smoked, wanted to fire everyone around Michael, and demanded he become a Scientologist. he bent over backwards to please her... he never could, she was just too miserable,” Faye says.
As expected, the leak of the e-mail did not fail to get a heated response from Michael Jackson fans online. Karen herself is not answering questions about the late star anymore. But she will say just this: whatever she said about Lisa Marie a while back, she meant it – at the time. Things have changed since then, though.“I am a better person now, and so is LMP, because we each have grown and learned. Neither of us is perfect yet ” Karen tweeted yesterday.

Debbie Rowe's words about Michael/LMP:
Interviewer: Having the baby was her idea. It was a subject that was talked about before Jackson’s marriage to Lisa Marie Presley.Debbie: He did love her very, very much, still does. Still cares about her very, very much. But, um, it didn’t work out. And, uh, he was devastated. [From Debbie Rowe's 1997 interview]


(a then 14 years old Frank Cascio seemed have enough knowledge to form such an opinion in his book.)

 

[LastTear]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

@loveforever, That is Frank's interpretation of their marriage. If you or I had been there we would probably have a different interpretation.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

I totally understand the skepticism and frustrations expressed here. I believe there is no one in this world who knows everything about Michael Jackson. Michael was intriguing. I admit I love his mysterious aura. So, when I read Frank's book, I don't have a mindset that I'm reading an absoulte truth. It's simply impossible. I expect inconsistencies. I don't like the Liz Taylor necklace story at all. I still think it's unnecessary and serves no purpose. Despite my doubts on certain stories, the book makes sense generally speaking.

 

[KOPV]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

in my opinion how frank talked about Lisa sounds the most truthful just by disecting the language he used.. "as far as I could tell".. he's the only one (outside of the relationship) that did not state what he said as a FACT.. Debbie and Karen both stated as what happened as what DID happen not what he/she FELT happen.. so the context of the writting is very different..

and to bring out the fact he was a teenager insinuating that a 14 year old would be too dumb to come up with a logical interpertation of what happened in the relationship is offensive to any young person that would come accross that msg..

Im not saying that Frank is right in what he said, but he clearly stated that's how he saw it.. when people use that approach it traditionally runs more truthful to what they whitnessed because they are taking admission to the fact they don't KNOW, they know they are only in possition of interperating what happened.. Someone admitting that is usually a truthful responce.

And if you really think of a 14 year old perspective, if we are going to use his age, it makes sence why he would feel that way.. he would have whitnessed Michael around children only (because he was one) and Michaels attention would most likely tend to lean towards a child..

my interpertation considering what Lisa and Frank said is that he never saw him be attentive to her.. Lisa whitnessed it because she saw what happened behind closed doors with them the days of fighting etc.. Frank wasnt there to whitness those things.. and he clearly admits not to truely know by stating "as far as I can tell"..

Thats why we need to always put the puzzel together, and what makes sence, we make sence of it.. Frank would not have really been in position to see michael truely be there for Lisa considering the dinamics of the relationship.. she went on trips with her ex husband, and they would fight about those things.. All Frank would have seen is how they were in the living room together, on the ranch, out and about.. would they be fighting infront of frank? From what Lisa has stated in her Oprah interview she made it pretty appearant that where MJ really showed he cared was showcased much through how he reacted while fighting with each other.. the fact he would stick it out.. Who is to say how they were day to day life! and Michaels life must have been very hard to get accustomed to by anybody that got close enough where they would have to... I could totally understand why Frank could state that Lisa could not find her roll basically. Michael was a perfectionist workoholic that was in the entertainment industry and prioritiesed his life with helping people around the world.. My girlfriend sometimes feels like I don't put her first because I go to the gym 5 times a week.. I could only imagine if I were in MJ's shoes how a woman would feel.. Woman for the most part want to be the center, and would have trouble knowing they fit in if they did not feel they were.

 

[Diplomate]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

Seems like Michael was not always honest with Frank or let's say omitted the truth and information. That's how much of a friend Frank was to him...

Yes, Mike was like that with all his fake friends. Because these, who don't speak, know the truth and will never sell this truth to the medias.

 

[mehdiblanket]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

No one knows Michael even his friends ,his family LOL.
he knows how to keep his privacy ,he made everyone confused LOL.
He knows that he could have trusted anybody.
Unfortunately ,fans will always buy like those kind of jokes "Jermaine's book ,Ca$cio's book ,Katherine's book ect.
l prefer to have 20 copies of Moonwalk and Dancing the dream to support those honest books rather than to spend money for reading those kind of stuff.

Michael l love you my king ,my everything

 

[missred07]

Knowing a person for decade meant nothing to me, only how they treated Michael matter. my impression of the whole book is Michael was not being treated fairly and sometimes I felt Frank tried to manipulate the events or stories to portray MJ the way he wanted. that's what I meant remind me of Roger Friedman.I will just give you a example of what I meant:

Frank's version from his book:
Lisa tried to understand and accommodate herself to Michael's personality, but I think the burden of making the relationship work fell entirely on her. As far as I could tell, Michael was never emotionally there for Lisa. She definitely tried to make the marriage work, but it must have been hard for her to figure out what her role was in Michael's complicated life.

Lisa Marie's own words:
“He honestly tried so hard and went through so much with me,” she says. “He’s never done that with any other female. … I didn’t appreciate it then, and I wish I did.”

Karen Faye's version about the mj/lmp marriage:
Her behavior while married to Michael was inexplicable at best, Karen claims. Nothing seemed to work for her because she was very “confused” and, from what she’s saying, very troubled.
“she was a lovely person before they married. she pursued him with a vengence even when she was still married. she did not smoke or drink,” Karen says.
“as soon as they got married, she drank, smoked, wanted to fire everyone around Michael, and demanded he become a Scientologist. he bent over backwards to please her... he never could, she was just too miserable,” Faye says.
As expected, the leak of the e-mail did not fail to get a heated response from Michael Jackson fans online. Karen herself is not answering questions about the late star anymore. But she will say just this: whatever she said about Lisa Marie a while back, she meant it – at the time. Things have changed since then, though.“I am a better person now, and so is LMP, because we each have grown and learned. Neither of us is perfect yet ” Karen tweeted yesterday.

Debbie Rowe's words about Michael/LMP:
Interviewer: Having the baby was her idea. It was a subject that was talked about before Jackson’s marriage to Lisa Marie Presley.Debbie: He did love her very, very much, still does. Still cares about her very, very much. But, um, it didn’t work out. And, uh, he was devastated. [From Debbie Rowe's 1997 interview]


(a then 14 years old Frank Cascio seemed have enough knowledge to form such an opinion in his book.)

See! This is the same thing I am talking about for multiple times. Different people would have different perspective to the exact same thing and different people would tell different story about the same thing. This does not mean they are lying. Frank told his side of story. He actually told his parent point of view about this event too. and here we have all these people talking about the same marriage in not exactly the same way. BTW, don't forget that Karen Faye have totally different story about this marriage few years ago and she actually dislikes LMP and called her evil princess who hurt MJ deeply. Now, Karen changed her tune and kind of sided with LMP. Even the same people interpret same event in different way as the time went by. Frank told you the MJ in his eye. Does this mean he was intend to manipulate people to think MJ in certain way????? In my point of view, I don't think so. His words and his perception is only one of the source and reference to know MJ. We also have all other information coming from all different people just like you list above to give a broader view. We all have brain to decide what kind of the story you want to believe.


I don't understand why just jump to the conclusion that Frank is for sure trying to manipulate people???? If you want to question his intention why not question LMP, Karen and Debbie? In my point of view, I don't think they are trying to manipulate people. They just told the things from their perspective.

Roger Frideman or JRT or even Karen Faye like to tell you the story like it's what actually happened. However, Frank actually tell you it's how he see thing and how he felt things. He told you this is what MJ told him and this is what he think. He also told you as time went by he think differently. How this equal to Roger Frideman. I just didn't see that.

 

[bouee]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

memefan - this is question that in no way should be taken in offense!!

But would it be safe to say if you are not interested to know about aspects of Michaels life that he wanted to be kept out than you (and others that share that thought) did not pay attention to the 2005 case against Michael knowing that aspects of his life that he did not want public were being brought foward. Michael would have never wanted the world to know that he had pornographic magazines, his financial records were to be showcased etc.. And of course did not watch the trial against conrad murray for simular reasons..?

Because it would be hyprocitical to say that someone is not interested in aspects of Michaels life but knowingly paid close attention to things that would specifically and somewhat designed to make him look bad.


I guess this question can go towards not just memfan, but anyone that feels they don't care to know about aspects of MJ's life that MJ wanted out..

Honestly, I don't think this is true for everyone. A trial is an entirely different thing. Michael had very little control about what was going to be made public. He had no choice. He was going to be judged on what was going to be shown. No one wants to go through that. Of course he never wanted that to happen, it devastated him.

Then what should we have done ? Look away, or face it and support him whatever comes out ? Personally, I trust him, so I chose to face it and support him.

A book is different, you don't have to do it. It's a choice that Frank made, you agree with it or not, you choose to read it or not, believe him or not.

Another thing is that I don't expect anyone to have a very clear picture of Michael. No one can write a book that will be 100% "true" or complete about Michael. It will always be someone's vision of him. Clearly he didn't share everything with one particular person, he probably didn't want to, for a lot of reasons.

For example about the rehab story, how old were Frank and Eddie at the time ? When did Michael talk about a "ploy" to avoid getting back to the US to Frank? After all, it's logical that some of his "advisors" told him to avoid coming back to the US at that particular time.
To me, I haven't read the book, but going by what is written here, it doesn't mean much, because we have no context. It could be that Michael didn't want to discuss the issue with Frank because he thought Frank was too young, and/or because it implied that Michael had to talk about how hurt he was by the allegations and he didn't want to go there, and/or because it was between 99/01 and he was in trouble again with medication, and/or he was simply mentionning what his advisors told him, etc......

 

[Memefan]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

memefan - this is question that in no way should be taken in offense!!

But would it be safe to say if you are not interested to know about aspects of Michaels life that he wanted to be kept out than you (and others that share that thought) did not pay attention to the 2005 case against Michael knowing that aspects of his life that he did not want public were being brought foward. Michael would have never wanted the world to know that he had pornographic magazines, his financial records were to be showcased etc.. And of course did not watch the trial against conrad murray for simular reasons..?

Because it would be hyprocitical to say that someone is not interested in aspects of Michaels life but knowingly paid close attention to things that would specifically and somewhat designed to make him look bad.


I guess this question can go towards not just memfan, but anyone that feels they don't care to know about aspects of MJ's life that MJ wanted out..

**Sigh** How can you compare a trial...to a tell all book?

To answer your question, NO. I DID NOT FOLLOW THE 2005 CASE.

And truth be told, this had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with MJ's privacy. I just couldn't handle it and couldn't deal with it all at the time.

So I completely shut the trial off...while it was going on. I only read the reports & some court transcipts a few years ago (2007).

But still, I wouldn't compare Frank writing a tell all to MJ being tried in court, and as T Mez stated, MJ was very involved in his defense. So he was able tell Mesereau his truth so the accusers' stories could be challenged.

Who is challeging Frank's story right now? NO ONE!!!

 

[MIST]

I believe the lyrics in Whatever happens was abut Michael and Lisa

He gives another smile, tries to understand her side
To show that he cares
She's consumed with everything that's been goin' on

Everything will be alright, he assures her
But she doesn't hear a word that he says
Preoccupied, she's afraid
Afraid that what they're doing is not right
He doesn't know what to say, so he prays

He's working day and night, thinks he'll make her happy
Forgetting all the dreams that he had
He doesn't realize it's not the end of the world
It doesn't have to be that bad
She tries to explain, "It's you that makes me happy,"





It would make more sense to me if Michael confided to Frank´s parents more than to Frank.
Frank was just a little child when they first met and Michael was like a father figure for him, most times you don´t tell the children everything.
You want to protect them and maybe yourself too.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

Another thing is that I don't expect anyone to have a very clear picture of Michael. No one can write a book that will be 100% "true" or complete about Michael. It will always be someone's vision of him. Clearly he didn't share everything with one particular person, he probably didn't want to, for a lot of reasons.

For example about the rehab story, how old were Frank and Eddie at the time ? When did Michael talk about a "ploy" to avoid getting back to the US to Frank? After all, it's logical that some of his "advisors" told him to avoid coming back to the US at that particular time.
To me, I haven't read the book, but going by what is written here, it doesn't mean much, because we have no context. It could be that Michael didn't want to discuss the issue with Frank because he thought Frank was too young, and/or because it implied that Michael had to talk about how hurt he was by the allegations and he didn't want to go there, and/or because it was between 99/01 and he was in trouble again with medication, and/or he was simply mentionning what his advisors told him, etc......

Exactly. There are so many possibilities.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

What a long thread! I've only skimmed alot of the past pages but read all the summaries and reviews (thanks tothe posters). The book apparently isn't out in the uk for another coupla weeks so can't nip into a bookshop, but i would like to know from those who have read it what franksays about feb/march 03 when he is looking after teh arvizos.

I thought the book's intention was to clear mj of the allegations. I know frank makes it clear how mj's intention towards him and other chldren were entirely innoncent, but i assumed he'd be writing more about his experiences with the arvizos during the crucial time laid out in the 05 trial. I read teh extract that cassiemollie posted about janet being erratic and the boys driving golf buggies around. Is that it? Does he not mention what else went on - there seemed to be alot of unanswered questions about this time. Why did the arvizos stop cooperating with mj and his managers and disappear. I thought they were going tohave a house bought for them. Why did noone suspect anything when they left the ranch and never sold any tabloid story. Did they just think a family like that would disappear and be quiet and not try and make some money? I just find the whole episode puzzling and thought frank would shed light on it. Was frank an alibi to mj for that crucial period of the feb/march 03 which were the subject of the charges? If someone has read the book and could say something about this episode i'd be grateful, it would make a change from allthe drug controversy.

 

[KOPV]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

I am a bit lost on when you say "you don't have to do it" when it comes to a book? because we don't have to pay close attention to the case to support Michael.. Like his children they support Michael through the murray trial but were not there and were left out of all aspects of the trial.. SO we as fans did not HAVE to do anything. We could support without learning the key aspects...

Michael never talked about a "ploy" and Frank never stated that he did. That was something that was taken out of context, and confuse people that did not read the book..


The reason why I defend the book is partially because I enjoy reading about Michael and if Michael cannot write a book about Michael I don't know who else better to write a book (aside from his children) than someone that was so close to Michael over decades of friendship. Frank states himself that Michael was a brother, a father, a mentor, and a friend to him.. Most books are written by these "experts" that have whitnessed less of Michael than myself. He was closer to the Cascio family seemingly at times closer than his own family...

He's not a taraborrelli, he was a friend. a REAL one and not someone that came and gone like most people in his life!! There is a reason why Michael really never pushed him away! even at the hardest times he wanted to be close.. did he do that with Schmuly? nope.. Uri? nope.. He's not one of them..


........................................

Side note! I have what I think is a lagitimate question... I understand where fans come from when we get upset at people that bring things up to the public that Michael wanted to keep private, or could effect his public image.. BUT!! there is a double standard.

We (as a fan base) have even gotten upset at Katherine for mentioning Michael along side with drugs.. Because it could make him look "bad" and effect his legacy.. But we NEVER EVER got mad at Michael for publically stating issues his father have.. I mean in ALL fairness shouldn't we consider the effect of the JACKSON legacy? Or when Michael did it its 100% ok.. Well not just OK, but we love him more for it..

I am not saying Michael was wrong for ever saying anything but we always find it wrong when someone says something of Michael which I don't think its fair to THEM.. You know Tatum O'niel for instance denies what Michael has said about her. He bluntly shared stories that she obviously did not want the public to hear.. Along with other people he's talked about that could effect others. Mariah Carey being another.. A good amount of people.

I never heard anyone say "hey Michael should'nt say that about Mariah, that could effect her public image".. Again I don't fault MJ for it! I am just saying why is there a doulbe standard.. OR im sure someone will say there is not one.. than how not?

There are fans that take MJ for what he wanted to be viewed as, which I never will say there is anything wrong with that. And there are fans that want to feel like t hey knew him to any extent they can so they want to know more, which I understand the feeling.. BUT if we are wanting to know the truth in fullness (which like i stated not everyone will want to) than we cannot just take MJs word for its word.. Because 1) there is alot MJ never said or could not say 2) not EVERYTHING he's stated ran truthful. (NO I'm not calling him a lier, so don't twist it into that.) Just some things that he wanted to keep private he occasionally would by not telling full truths

 

[KOPV]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

I can compare a book to a trial because if reading a book about Michael is invading his privacy so would reading court transcripts and fallowing gossip about the trial.. that's how it can be compared.. they are different mediums of information.. But it is STILL things Michael did not want us to know..

 

[missred07]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

What a long thread! I've only skimmed alot of the past pages but read all the summaries and reviews (thanks tothe posters). The book apparently isn't out in the uk for another coupla weeks so can't nip into a bookshop, but i would like to know from those who have read it what franksays about feb/march 03 when he is looking after teh arvizos.

I thought the book's intention was to clear mj of the allegations. I know frank makes it clear how mj's intention towards him and other chldren were entirely innoncent, but i assumed he'd be writing more about his experiences with the arvizos during the crucial time laid out in the 05 trial. I read teh extract that cassiemollie posted about janet being erratic and the boys driving golf buggies around. Is that it? Does he not mention what else went on - there seemed to be alot of unanswered questions about this time. Why did the arvizos stop cooperating with mj and his managers and disappear. I thought they were going tohave a house bought for them. Why did noone suspect anything when they left the ranch and never sold any tabloid story. Did they just think a family like that would disappear and be quiet and not try and make some money? I just find the whole episode puzzling and thought frank would shed light on it. Was frank an alibi to mj for that crucial period of the feb/march 03 which were the subject of the charges? If someone has read the book and could say something about this episode i'd be grateful, it would make a change from allthe drug controversy.

There is almost a whole chapter about the Arvizos (way more details than the Chandler family). After reading all those thing he described about the Arvizos you would feel really sick about these family. He details the night Janet Arvizos pushed the kids to MJ and asked to sleep in MJ's room. How MJ said no no no and trying to avoid the situation. They were cautious about the whole thing and that's why MJ wanted FRANK to stay that night to be a witness. Frank said something like maybe they were too naive to think it's enough that he stayed there. He regrets deeply that he should be more aggressive to the Arvizos. You would know that MJ knew something is not right from the beginning. MJ told FRANK that Janet is so **** up. However MJ think those kids were suffered because of the parents. He also stated that night he and MJ actually planed to sleep downstairs of MJ's suit. It's Gavin and his brother insisted them to sleep in the same room. Eventually, MJ and Frank slept on the floor. At the end, one day Janet just suddenly said the kids' grandfather was sick and wanted to brings those kids to visit and left.

This is just part of the things in the book because I didn't have the book by my side to described in more detail. But Frank actually details lots of the things Arvizos did during those time. He stated he was suspicious. He also stated even MJ was suspicious and being careful. MJ only helped them because he can't see kids suffered. MJ thought those kids were innocent and should not suffered because their **** up parents.

After reading that chapter I admired MJ more and I think the whole thins is just so sick.

 

[claudiadoina]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

I can compare a book to a trial because if reading a book about Michael is invading his privacy so would reading court transcripts and fallowing gossip about the trial.. that's how it can be compared.. they are different mediums of information.. But it is STILL things Michael did not want us to know..

I think the main issue is that Michael wouldn't have wanted private things to be revealed in the first place.

 

[KOPV]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

^ exactly. and thats why I am saying i am asking why is ok to be all up in Michaels privacy for a trial, but reading a book is bad

 

[love is magical]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

What a long thread! I've only skimmed alot of the past pages but read all the summaries and reviews (thanks tothe posters). The book apparently isn't out in the uk for another coupla weeks so can't nip into a bookshop, but i would like to know from those who have read it what franksays about feb/march 03 when he is looking after teh arvizos.

I thought the book's intention was to clear mj of the allegations. I know frank makes it clear how mj's intention towards him and other chldren were entirely innoncent, but i assumed he'd be writing more about his experiences with the arvizos during the crucial time laid out in the 05 trial. I read teh extract that cassiemollie posted about janet being erratic and the boys driving golf buggies around. Is that it? Does he not mention what else went on - there seemed to be alot of unanswered questions about this time. Why did the arvizos stop cooperating with mj and his managers and disappear. I thought they were going tohave a house bought for them. Why did noone suspect anything when they left the ranch and never sold any tabloid story. Did they just think a family like that would disappear and be quiet and not try and make some money? I just find the whole episode puzzling and thought frank would shed light on it. Was frank an alibi to mj for that crucial period of the feb/march 03 which were the subject of the charges? If someone has read the book and could say something about this episode i'd be grateful, it would make a change from allthe drug controversy.

Frank wrote how manipulative Janet Arvizos was. She would use her children in whatever ways possible. Frank said Michael was very cautious about the Arvizo family. He knew Janet was up for no good. But, he couldn't say no to children. He blamed Janet not Gavin. When Gavin asked to stay in Michael's room, Michael made sure that there was another adult in the room with him. He asked Frank to stay in his bedroom too.

When the Arvizos left Neverland, Frank said the staff felt a sense of relief that this unruly family was gone. Frank said he regretted not being more aggressive in getting the family away from Michael. He also wondered why Michael invited the family back to his life in 2003.

 

[qbee]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

I just wanted to comment on why or how people can relay different stories about the same events and still be telling the truth.

I come from a large family (11 siblings) and from experience I can tell you 3 people or more doesn't matter the number can be present at the SAME event and see, experienced or remember things differently. My sibling and I will be speaking about something that happened in the past and we each have a different story. Sometimes it causes arguments because one will say I didn't remember that it happened like this. But once we listen and explain what we saw or remembered at that time there is truth in each ones experience of that event. We each were focused on different things going on at that event. We each experience different feeling about that event because of our personalities and feelings or how invested we were at the time in that event. its kind of like the blind men feeling the elephant. Once we each relayed what we seen or heard or experienced and how it effected each one of us. The whole elephant appeared more clear. We all had a better understanding of what actually took place.


Those who study the bible also know this to be true. Each apostle states different aspects of some event in Jesus life. The main story of each lines up but sometimes one would state something different that happened at those events that the others didn't mention. Some ask doesn't this contradict but and as we read we see it just adds another part of the story that the others Apostles didn't focus on experience or write about. As we bring each experience together we have a closer understanding of the events that took place and the truth. I hope this helps

 

[love is magical]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

Lol... missred07 and I are posting similar thought. but, her post is more detailed. :huggy:

 

[bouee]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

I am a bit lost on when you say "you don't have to do it" when it comes to a book? because we don't have to pay close attention to the case to support Michael.. Like his children they support Michael through the murray trial but were not there and were left out of all aspects of the trial.. SO we as fans did not HAVE to do anything. We could support without learning the key aspects...

You'right about that, you don't have to follow everything to support him during a trial. It's just not the same thing as a book for me. You don't necessarily follow a trial because you want to know details about his life, some might see it this way, but not everyone. It's also a way for some of us of sharing and supporting.

Some of us have followed the trials, but will not read this kind of books.

And as Memefan said, there are 2 sides in trial, in 2005 MJ participated in his defense. A book will be a person's vision, Michael is not here anymore to comment on what Frank says. And by the way, would he have commented ?

 

[KOPV]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

I don't think Frank would have said some of the things in the book if Michael were alive. (well the book wouldn't exhist) but if it did, I think it would share many of the same stories aside froma couple things... But I dont think Michael would comment for ONE reason..

I think Michael would want Frank to talk about the 1993 allegations because I think alot of what Frank said MJ would want out and to say himself but couldn't.. And would not want a lawsuite comeing because he publically supports the book knowingly it talks about the 93 allegations. He never publically supported or commented on the GQ article aswell even though I am sure he wanted everyone to read it.. Legal reasons he wouldnt be able to..

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

Thanks for the info on the arvizos, i think mj was ill-served by those around him in 03 not to be completely and totally insulated from this family during feb/march. I still find it suspicious that frank (acc to trial transcripts) etc were offering the arvizos college education for the children and maybe a property, and suddenly the arvizos just up and leave without anything, and not for anyone to think they weren't planning on getting something somehow.

MJ only helped them because he can't see kids suffered. MJ thought those kids were innocent and should not suffered because their **** up parents.

Frank said Michael was very cautious about the Arvizo family. He knew Janet was up for no good. But, he couldn't say no to children. He blamed Janet not Gavin.

This is heartbreaking. For mj to sit in that courtroom and listen to gavin and star say on oath all those ghastly lies. That must have destroyed him. We (well me at any rate)would just see a brattish streetwise 15 yr old whereas mj would be seeing this child who he had helped through cancer. In 93, j chandler never testified so mj could say to himself that children are innocent, it's just the parents, but it wd be hard to keep to this ideal when he saw gavin.

 

[MsCassieMollie]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

can someone fill me in.. for those who don't believe what Frank states in his book..

who aside from MJ (he's not here) are we supposed to believe? I can't think of one living person that we have said we shouldn't believe or trust..

I hope I dont get a responce about DTA

Chris T., Diana Ross, Mac, Liza M.

 

[missred07]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

Thanks for the info on the arvizos, i think mj was ill-served by those around him in 03 not to be completely and totally insulated from this family during feb/march. I still find it suspicious that frank (acc to trial transcripts) etc were offering the arvizos college education for the children and maybe a property, and suddenly the arvizos just up and leave without anything, and not for anyone to think they weren't planning on getting something somehow.

Correct me if I am wrong because I am just typing it with my memory. I think Frank stated in the book that those kids want to be actors. He told them to study well go to college and they would help those kids to fulfill the dream. I think he also stated that Gavin's dad asked for money to buy a car. He refused and said he would ask MJ to borrow them a car if MJ had a spare. MJ did borrow them a car. He just said the Avizos just left to visit their sick grandpa. Maybe they didn't expect them just gone for good and would show up suddenly one day?

Frank also mentioned that MJ helped lots of family and they were all very grateful. I think those grateful family won't just stay around after getting the help. Maybe that's the reason they didn't feel suspicious about the family leaving. What a random family would just stay in someone's house forever? I think Frank and MJ were suspicious about the family but who would expect them to be so **** UP at that time.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

^Maybe. But to hire gregaros (crim lawyer) and get all those statements from the arvizos on video tape and audio tape suggests the mj camp were suspicious of the arvizos esp after finding out about the jc penny lawsuit. Frank knew of all the media camped outside the arvizo house offering thousands for a good story. Anyway, i'm talking with hindsight here, i just wish something could have been done to avoid what happened next ie arvizos going to sneddon.

 

[bluetopez]

Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

How can anyone compare the 05 trial to Franks book or any MJ book? MJ had no control over what Sneedon would say about him so the only thing he could try to do was counter it all as best he could through his defense attorneys. But, MJ did have control over what Frank would do while he was alive and told him don't write a book about him. And like I said in a earlier post one has to know what they are defending or are against before they could actually say that they are for or against something. It would be a different story if people would be coming in this thread saying they know nothing at all that's in the book or never heard of Frank but, yet their still against it or for the book. If that was the case then that would be something to get work up over about but, that's not the issue.