Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

[shelly_webster]

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Didn't Katherine in one of her tv interviews say that she was the one who got Michael's 02 dates spaced out so he had a longer break between the shows (I thought it was DiLeo), but on the other hand she too was pushing Michael to do tour with brothers.
So it is not ok for AEG to push Michael, but when mother does that, it is not pushing, its loving your family and doing everything for your family:no:


Did anyone watch that CNN program that was mentioned earlier here? What they said about AEG and MJ?





Totally believable! That could be the reason why the emails were leaked now. They had to do it now as AEG wasn't showing any signs for settlement, so they gave a push, and hoped it will help AEG to settle the case before trial.

She was at the May 2009 meeting with Allgood & Philips where they tryed to convince him to do their show. The famille tryed to convince their frail and sick brother/ son to do more shows.

 

[Bubs]

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She was at the May 2009 meeting with Allgood & Philips where they tryed to convince him to do their show. The famille tryed to convince their frail and sick brother/ son to do more shows.

I hope when trial goes on, that Allgood is brought up by AEG and they ask from K why would she think Michael was weak and sick and could do 02 concerts but he was ok to do Allgood. Actually, I really want to hear the reasoning behind healthy-not healthy.

 

[shelly_webster]

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The reasoning is Money, but I think we all know that. I wonder if AEG will brought things from the 1993 case, when the Jacksons wanted money to defend him.

 

[la_cienega]

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If you are saying what I think you are then PP&B should run as fast as they can away from this family. If they were to sell stories about there own brother/uncle just for $$ then they will have proven themselves to be as dysfunctional as we have long suspected. There can be no doubt that Michael knew what they were capable of. Poor Michael...

As much as I dislike AEG I dislike the Jacksons more. For the love of money they will let this poor man be dragged through the mud when he isn't here to defend himself. This intensely private man is going to have his personal affairs broadcast all over the world and his family could prevent it with a phone call:angry:

AEG is a business, the Jacksons were his family.

I really want to believe the Jacksons will pull out of this trial, but they're desperate, I think they're prepared to humiliate themselves if it means they can get some money. We've seen what they're capable of with the mother abduction saga. Even Janet Jackson is willing to act like a psychopath because she believed it would give her results. I think they're aware now that this is hopeless, but they're in too deep as it is, so why not just keep pushing it?

I wish the idea of seeing Michael degraded or humiliated was something they cared about, but they never have before this. In fact I imagine they might enjoy seeing his body picked apart, because it puts them in the position they seemed to love right after his death: the rescuers (how many gates did they claim to crash just to try and come to his rescue?), the people who didn't fall apart like he did, the people who weren't there the whole time so can't be blamed, the less crazy siblings, the ones who have "normal" lives and families. Mike may have been a zillion more times successful and talented and more rich than they were, but at least they didn't have his skin color, kids with masks on, or his "toothpick" nose.

The only reason I can see them pulling out is so that they can claim they're victims and that AEG was intimidating/threatening them (as with that whole BS estate letter), and AEG are these big dark ominous bullies, much too powerful to go to court with, and then hope the ambiguity of pulling out would make it seem like they had a point. Then they can possibly use what other stuff they had from their lawsuit with AEG and sell it in books or whatever, to try and claim they could've won.

 

[Mneme]

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Maybe somebody want read the Interview from Larry King with Hoe Jackson & Leonard Rowe.
It is here:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/20/lkl.01.html

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this is a remarkable part on it:


ROWE: Three weeks before he passed we met at the Beverly Hills Hotel. And I was trying to discuss different things with Randy Phillips concerning Michael's finances in London, England.

KING: And...

ROWE: As far as scalping of the tickets and things that I thought they were doing unethical to Michael Jackson. I was doing my job for Michael Jackson. That's what he hired me to do.

KING: Joe, how did that meeting end?

JACKSON: That meeting ended with me out there and shouting on the floor and talking to Larry Phillips about...

ROWE: Randy.

JACKSON: ...they wanted...

KING: Randy.

JACKSON: ...to pay him in U.S. dollars and I wanted him to get paid in pounds. And he said, by the time his tour starts, the U.S. dollar will be much more than the pound.

ROWE: Which was totally untrue.

JACKSON: And that's not untrue, because the U.S. dollar was never more than the pound. And they said they were going to straighten all this stuff out and get back with me. I never heard from Randy Phillips at all...

KING: Ok.

JACKSON: ...until I called him. And then when I called him and asked about all this stuff he said he never said that.

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and, again, it is always about money.

Oh, Michael! What was you feeling all the time with this.

 

[MIST]

AEG is a company which is doing business.
They want to earn money.
I don´t know how they negotiate contracts in showbusiness but I guess the company write down their conditions and then it is the artists manager or lawyer who reads it and try to make changes for the artists best.
I suppose they make compromises.

AEG made a contract which was good for them , but those who worked for Michael didn´t seem to care about his interests.
And who brought Tohme into Michael´s life?

 

[Soundmind]

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a member of mjj kop said probably Mann offered to give the insurance company the documents weeks ago so they would take the blame later when the Jacksons leak them, but Lloyds declined their offer. If this was truly their motivation, then the Jacksons were very much aware of the seriousness of this unlawful action still decided to take the risk and release the documents anyway , that shows desperation on their their part

 

[loveforever]

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randy Philips emails remind me one thing is how badly michael had been treated when he was alive, most people treated him like subhuman and commodity, it applied to all people, people around him, his family, not just the media and the public. part of the reason Michael's death shocked the world is because after decades of mockery, abuse, lies... get used to media's "michael jackson treatment" people forgot he was the human with heart, they subconsciously treated him like the dirt and the commodity. So a lot of people's reactions after his death were "michael jackson can die?"

 

[Petrarose]

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the Jacksons don't want a trial ,they want a settlement . The trial will be devastating to them , all their dirty laundry will be out especially Randy's , they will keep trying to force AEG to settle until the last minute , Randy won't ever dare to take the stand.

I am with you on that one Soundmind. Look how angry Tito, especially got after the depositions. They did not think AEG was going to go into their business. This is the same MO--start shaming people in public to force them to settle. It did not work for Branca and you can bet a zillion dollars it will not work for AEG.

Right now, AEG despises the family. Look at the way AEG staff talked about Michael in the emails, can you guys imagine how they are referring to the Jacksons behind locked doors!!!! I could imagine the nasty verbs and adjectives they are using!!! One good thing about the emails, though, they let us know how inhumane the bosses there treated Michael. One would think that if someone is making millions for you that you would treat them with some respect. I know business is business, but they can be used as a good example of Karl Marx Capitalists and worse.

By the way did anyone try to figure out if the emails were sent while Muarry was on the case, or before? How do we know that it was not Muarry's treatment that was causing all this behavioral difference for Michael? We should really look at these dates, because the nurse said that when she examined Michael his condition was fine, except for the sleeping issue. I know for sure that the Ortega ones were while Muarry was on the case, because Ortega mentioned Muarry. I am not sure about the other e-mails from that guy who called Michael lazy and those from Randy. This is important because, people need to know that it was not because Michael was drunk he acted that way, but because Muarry was giving him a range of medicines to "cure" insomnia.

 

[bouee]

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Hi everyone, I was quite busy lately, so I'm catching up. I'm wondering what happened to "Katherine doesn't want to talk to Randy" that we heard about just after the spagate.... Seriously, I hope that the name of whoever leaked those mails comes out publicly, that's really what they deserve.

 

[bouee]

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no doubt, not because she is preventing them for reveling anything ,actually now they r still somehow managing to get the money she's stealing fom the kids allownace but once she dies, they would be left with nothing and would go to the tabloids with wild accusations and stories against MJ.

I agree, I think that's what will happen. Just wait for Paris and Prince's reaction..

 

[Soundmind]

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All the symptoms described by AEG are side effects associated with benzos which were heavily prescribed by Murray to say the least. My mother has been dependent on lorazepam for 40 years she does suffer from all the symptoms mentioned by AEG's executives .However, the doses and overdoses she takes are not even close to those injected into MJ . I'm talking about 2 x 2mg tablets daily while MJ was given 20 mg + . I can't even imagine his state of mind under their influence.

 

[Vici]

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I dont know what Mann/Randy is thinking when they say one source for the emails were Murrays lawyers. Yeah because any rational and loving family or friend of the family would wanna team and work with the man who killed your/their brother/son. They wont gain any sympathy and support from fans with that statement.

Im just gonna pray for MJs kids because AEG will play hard. We saw how Paris denied MJ was an addict and Im worried they will suffer when more comes out. Both sides will trash MJ in order to defend themselves and the ones who truly will suffer are the kids.

 

[loveforever]

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All the symptoms described by AEG are side effects associated with benzos which were heavily prescribed by Murray to say the least. My mother has been dependent on lorazepam for 40 years she does suffer from all the symptoms mentioned by AEG's executives .However, the doses and overdoses she takes are not even close to those injected into MJ . I'm talking about 2 x 2mg tablets daily while MJ was given 20 mg + . I can't even imagine his state of mind under their influence.

I know most drugs may have side effect on human body, such as nausea, lose appetite, depression, sleepy...What more dangerous is the combination of the drugs and their interactions inside the body, so the doctors always ask the patients what other drugs they are taking before prescription. I remember during Murray's trial the experts testified about the combination of the drugs Murray piled up to Michael's body, the drugs interaction inside the body and their side effects. The expert said Murray's choice of mixing up different kinds of anesthetics is strange> something like that. It's never done before and he can't specify what those drugs interactions would be and their effect on human body. It's murray experiment on Michael.

 

[Mneme]

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By the way did anyone try to figure out if the emails were sent while Muarry was on the case, or before? How do we know that it was not Muarry's treatment that was causing all this behavioral difference for Michael? We should really look at these dates, because the nurse said that when she examined Michael his condition was fine, except for the sleeping issue. I know for sure that the Ortega ones were while Muarry was on the case, because Ortega mentioned Muarry. I am not sure about the other e-mails from that guy who called Michael lazy and those from Randy. This is important because, people need to know that it was not because Michael was drunk he acted that way, but because Muarry was giving him a range of medicines to "cure" insomnia.

LAPD-interview of Conrad Murray June, 27.2009:
Detective Martinez: "This last section of time that you've been caring for him, how long contnously has it been?"
Dr. Murray: "A little over two months."
Detective Martinez: " Little over two months. Could you tell us how that came to be?"
Dr. Murray: "I was called by Mr Jackson's assistant. His name is Amir."
Detective Martinez: "Amir"
Dr. Murray: "Brother Amir."

So, 'a little over 2 months is then about the first or the second decade in April. (London was March, 05.)


We know until now only these quotations which are detached fromits context....
For me it is possible,too that Randy Phillips does wrote his own role a little bit more difficult then it was in reality. Phillips wrote to Mr Leiweke and Leiweke was his superior.
I never would denying that Michael's psychic health could habe been very labil! But Phillips was very nervous in the moment he wrote the mail at March 05., he could have exaggerated in his mail.....


On the familiy-party at Mai 14. was Michael in top-form. This said all his sibling and his parents, too.
We can read this also in Katherine's Claim against AEG.

 

[mdiegee210]

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i guess murray will be called to testify and give a deposition

 

[shelly_webster]

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i guess murray will be called to testify and give a deposition

It would be fun, I want to read it.

 

[Bubs]

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The reasoning is Money, but I think we all know that. I wonder if AEG will brought things from the 1993 case, when the Jacksons wanted money to defend him.

I'm not aware of this? What happened and why they needed to defend Michael then, the trial was 2005?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Oxman before he was disbarred talked about working with murray.so nothing would surprise me

 

[shelly_webster]

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I'm not aware of this? What happened and why they needed to defend Michael then, the trial was 2005?

It was for an interview on TV. I believe it's in Lisa Campbell's book King of Pop darkest hour.

 

[Victory22]

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Michael's legacy will survive this. They can't hide behind or be protected by Katherine forever.

This is the thing none of them seem to be able to get through their thick heads. No matter how hard any of them try Michael will always be a superstar, a genius and his kids will always be rich.

 

[Victory22]

AEG is a business, the Jacksons were his family.

I really want to believe the Jacksons will pull out of this trial, but they're desperate, I think they're prepared to humiliate themselves if it means they can get some money. We've seen what they're capable of with the mother abduction saga. Even Janet Jackson is willing to act like a psychopath because she believed it would give her results. I think they're aware now that this is hopeless, but they're in too deep as it is, so why not just keep pushing it?

I wish the idea of seeing Michael degraded or humiliated was something they cared about, but they never have before this. In fact I imagine they might enjoy seeing his body picked apart, because it puts them in the position they seemed to love right after his death: the rescuers (how many gates did they claim to crash just to try and come to his rescue?), the people who didn't fall apart like he did, the people who weren't there the whole time so can't be blamed, the less crazy siblings, the ones who have "normal" lives and families. Mike may have been a zillion more times successful and talented and more rich than they were, but at least they didn't have his skin color, kids with masks on, or his "toothpick" nose.

The only reason I can see them pulling out is so that they can claim they're victims and that AEG was intimidating/threatening them (as with that whole BS estate letter), and AEG are these big dark ominous bullies, much too powerful to go to court with, and then hope the ambiguity of pulling out would make it seem like they had a point. Then they can possibly use what other stuff they had from their lawsuit with AEG and sell it in books or whatever, to try and claim they could've won.

This family including the mother are the most horrible people I have ever seen. I pray for PP&B almost daily because they have no idea even with Michael’s warnings how much danger they are in.

 

[etoile 37]

Michael being allegedly drunk right before the O2 press conference doesn’t make sense. He didn’t look drunk, not even a little. Other than being a bit nervous, he actually looked very good, happy and healthy.

I just remembered this story he told the rabbi:

Is it possible he would have faked being drunk to play a joke on Randy Phillips, just to see him panic? At least that would explain why he looked perfectly fine at the press conference…

 

[Victory22]

This is a dangerous game the Jackson’s have chosen to play and it has a very shape two edged sword attached. Look how much the Jackson’s have exposed themselves already to not only us involved MJ fans but to the general public. They were badly damaged from a PR perspective after the granny napping. They opened the door for even diehard Jackson family fans to take a sideways look at their actions. Their veneer of normalcy and caring devotion to “poor, messed up Michael” has been exposed. All of the major media outlets where questioning their motives and calling them out for their greed. They run the risk of total exposer if they continue on their desperate quest to profit off Michael’s death and in only 3 more years the children will be old enough to start calling them out. I think they hate Michael’s children as much as they hated him because the kids love him and are an extension of him. They are loyal to MJ and therefore hated by the J's. They are rich, talented and the focus of media attention and therefore also hated and envied.

 

[Petrarose]

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All the symptoms described by AEG are side effects associated with benzos which were heavily prescribed by Murray to say the least. My mother has been dependent on lorazepam for 40 years she does suffer from all the symptoms mentioned by AEG's executives .However, the doses and overdoses she takes are not even close to those injected into MJ . I'm talking about 2 x 2mg tablets daily while MJ was given 20 mg + . I can't even imagine his state of mind under their influence.

Soundmind thanks for responding. Now you see the problem here. The emails went global and this important piece of information--that he was reacting to the meds Muarry was giving him--did not go global as well. I am sure the family knows that Muarry is responsible for this behavior, but the emails were leaked to show what AEG said without any concerns about qualifying Michael's behavior and putting it in the right context.

The family could have simple made a statement saying, look Michael was reacting to the meds his killer gave him, but rather than AEG trying to help him, they wrote and said hurtful comments about his behavior, overworked him, and belittled him. Now a statement like that would get people on their side, but they do not care about Michael. This family has caused me so much grief!! They must have a great deal of negative Karma directed at them from all the people they have given grief since Michael died.

 

[Victory22]

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They sure have all of my negative karma directed at them.

 

[Petrarose]

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I guess Monday will be a busy day for AEG. Strange that X17 has not printed anything. Something is keeping them scared, because I have never seen them so quiet. Even during the granny snatching we had several tweets from Jermaine, Randy gave lies to that Chicago paper to print, and he kept us entertained with the X17 lies. Even Marlon graced us with his tears. I guess AEG's rebuttal is finally beginning to scare these people off. It is easy to spew constant lies about Branca, who basically ignored it, but AEG is using all their power and money to go after certain Jacksons & Mann, and I think the Jacksons finally understand that AEG is no Branca!

 

[marebear]

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What goes around will come around someday. Michael's legacy will live on.

 

[jamba]

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randy Philips emails remind me one thing is how badly michael had been treated when he was alive, most people treated him like subhuman and commodity, it applied to all people, people around him, his family, not just the media and the public. part of the reason Michael's death shocked the world is because after decades of mockery, abuse, lies... get used to media's "michael jackson treatment" people forgot he was the human with heart, they subconsciously treated him like the dirt and the commodity. So a lot of people's reactions after his death were "michael jackson can die?"

Yes, it's as if he wasn't even human, just a punching bag with a face attached. SO SAD. I think it was a shock when he died b/c people thought he could keep on taking all that negative energy forever. R.I.P. At least he got away from more of the same. As he told Anjelica Huston, speaking about the trial--'they were out for blood."

 

[jamba]

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NY Daily News is saying they have 200 pages of emails re AEG--how did they get them? Are they lying? They are not printing any we haven't seen. But they say that Michael was allowed only 10 comp seats for his shows. Also there is one new email quote about Randy Phillips trying to calm Ortega down and saying we need to rely on Murray, who says they should not encourage Michael to miss rehearsals b/c Michael is fine. So was Murray was telling Randy to ignore Ortega's concerns, or was Randy using that? It also says Randy cannot cancel the shows not only due to AEG interests but also due to lawsuits that Randy was dealing with concerning Michael (Allgood?). I wish we didn't have to wait til April next year for the trial 'cause there is too much speculation now about the case, and too muchleked stuff. Hope the judge starts cracking the whip about the leaks--maybe he could jail some people for contempt of the court??