Randall Sullivan's book "Untouchable"

When you give an injection in gluteus then the injected person use to lie down on her/his stomach.
It´s common to give the injection in the upper part of gluteus and is not necessary to pull down the pants so far.
At least not the underpants.
You shouldn´t be able to see the penis.

I think LMP said the picture didn´t match.
 
MIST;3739484 said:
When you give an injection in gluteus then the injected person use to lie down on her/his stomach.
It´s common to give the injection in the upper part of gluteus and is not necessary to pull down the pants so far.
At least not the underpants.
You shouldn´t be able to see the penis.

I think LMP said the picture didn´t match.

I did not say Evan saw Michael's penis. But he saw his butt. If you take a look at that drawing they made in October 1993, you see them theorize about how Michael's penis may look like. It appears they try to derive that from how Michael's butt looked like. And that is what Evan saw.

No, the pictures and the Chandler's description did not match. That's right. After all they did not see his penis and they just guessed. Wrongly.
 
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^^ I think Ray probably did not even realize telling on themselves when telling about Evan injecting Michael in the butt. Just like he does not realize telling on themselves in many, many other cases in the book.

Right, Evan/Ray didn't include the drawing in their own book, did they? But Victor would use it and attribute it to them, and then Ray would claim it on his website but edit the stuff about circumcision/Brett out.

So we have their own words about some story involving Evan seeing MJ's glutes, then they have their own drawing dated October 1993 where they theorize about MJ's penis based on the glutes.

Anyway - the drawing shows they had these crazy bizarre stories about Brett Barnes, and the only person they could have heard the stories from was Victor Gutierrez. In Sullivan's book when he quotes Ray saying that Michael was very selective, he doesn't elaborate that the supposed victims the Chandler's claim are Wade, Brett, Mac, Safechuck, Feldman, Elijah Jackson. None of them say he was a pedophile, so who were these "selective" victims?
 
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I don´t know if my memory is wrong but wasn´t the settlement between Evan Chandler and Michael although Jordan got the money.

I read the settlement was about negligence and Michael got an clause where he said he didn´t admit to be guilty to any sexual contact with Jordan.

Chandlers could have taken the case to criminal trial without losing the money but they didn´t want to.
I think Jordan is free to say michael never touched him without losing money but maybe he´s to scared.
Some of Michael´s fans can be angry, he can be called liar by a whole world and despised by many

Yes, you raise a good point. The settlement was with both June and Evan, I think, and they were acting on behalf of their minor son, so I am not sure how much Jordan was bound by the terms of the settlement. Maybe someone else can comment and help us understand that part?
 
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He quotes an old fake article posted on National Enquirer when Lisa stated that she never saw "the real Michael" without makeup, and his stupid ass also claims that Michael first met Debbie during his marriage to Lisa.. Epic Fail !!!
 
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He quotes an old fake article posted on National Enquirer when Lisa stated that she never saw "the real Michael" without makeup, and his stupid ass also claims that Michael first met Debbie during his marriage to Lisa.. Epic Fail !!!
LOL he copied that from Taraborrelli who copied that from National Enquirer. It's so funny how selective Randall is.

But how would that story even go with his whole Jordan molestation thing? Did Jordan ever say MJ would cover himself with make up and run out of the room if the lights were on? Nope. So I guess it's only around women that he acts this way.

I can't get over how much of Bob Jones' book he used though, I had no idea anyone would think that was reliable after what happened in 2005.
 
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Lisa marie was with michael or the diane sawyer interview an said herself that the pictures DID NOT MATCH

I highly doubt lisa would let michael force her to say that if it wasnt true and i think that is what randall is trying to say
 
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Respect people like you should put together the facts of both allegations in a systematic way so fans could use for those who still believe the allegations. Then every one could have the link attached to their facebook, siggy's, ect., for people to clink on. It may go all over the world and be of good value.
 
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Respect people like you should put together the facts of both allegations in a systematic way so fans could use for those who still believe the allegations. Then every one could have the link attached to their facebook, siggy's, ect., for people to clink on. It may go all over the world and be of good value.

Thanks. I'm planning something like that.
 
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The main thing is that current position for this book in Amazon has dropped well over 1000 positions.
At the moment, Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #2,493 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)
2 days ago it was around 1,000, now it is even lower, next bargain bin:)
I suppose first few days all the tabloid reporters run to buy it so they can print their rubbish again, but all has been said and written, so we can say goodbye to RS and his collection of tabloid tales.
 
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i'm glad the book is flopping.
 
respect77;3739393 said:
It's in Ray Chandler's book. He claims that Evan injected Michael in the gluteus, which means he knew how Michael's butt looked like. There is no word about sodium amytal though. That's only fan speculation. In Ray's story it's Toradol that Evan injected. And yes it's claimed in the book that while Michael was under the drug's influence Evan asked him if he was gay and Michael said he was not.

Just to add to this - I think there is a possibility that this happened.

We now know that at the time, Michael was undergoing painful surgical procedures on his scalp to reduce the scar tissue that he'd suffered from the Pepsi accident. He said it was very painful for him and he was using painkillers.

And remember what Carrie Fisher said of Evan:

"...I had this dentist at the time, a Dr. Evan Chandler, who was a very strange character. He was what would be referred to as the Dentist to the Stars! And as one of the people who would have unnecessary dental work just for the morphine, this man was one of those people who could arrange such a welcome service. He referred his patients to a mobile anesthesiologist who would come into the office to put you out for the dental work. And as if that wasn’t glorious enough, this anesthesiologist could also be easily and financially persuaded to come to your house to administer the morphine for your subsequent luxury pain relief. And I would extend my arms, veins akimbo, and say to this man—“Send me away, but don’t send me all the way.”..."

So I don't think Evan had a problem administering any type of drug for his own motives. He probably suggested it to Michael with the intention of probing him about his personal life.
 
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I wish if Michael wrote his own autobiography book before his died so he could share these details with us and his side of story.. *sigh*
 
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^^ i agree! but in a way he did tell his side through the songs he wrote right after that event
 
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The main thing is that current position for this book in Amazon has dropped well over 1000 positions.
At the moment, Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #2,493 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)
2 days ago it was around 1,000, now it is even lower, next bargain bin:)
I suppose first few days all the tabloid reporters run to buy it so they can print their rubbish again, but all has been said and written, so we can say goodbye to RS and his collection of tabloid tales.

It's even worse, it's currently #65,000 on paid Kindle books, it's been hovering around 100,000 on there since it's release.

When Jermaine's book came out it was around the 300-1000 Kindle and book version for the first few weeks/month, then stuck around the 1000-5000 mark for the next few months for both.
 
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^^^ Soon enough everybody can buy it for $0.01, and still no buyers, just like Demon Dimond's book:D
 
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Their lies cost 0.01$...?? HOW cheap??
 
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This shit makes me cry: http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...l-jackson-untouchable-20121119,0,598987.story

Will it ever end?
Why are there no fans in the media? Do they have an enrollment form where you have to circle "I believe Jackson was a child molester" to be hired?

I sometimes lose hope that his name will ever be cleared or that people will ever understand him and his obsession with innocence as a source of artistry rather than a disturbing quality. How many more words need to be told, and how many more books need to published by his friends for people to finally hear?
 
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^Going by the uk at the moment, it seems only people who are the subject of mistaken identity are allowed to be completely exonerated of child abuse. It really is the worst accusation that can be made against someone in this day and age - common sense and rational thinking do seem to fly out the window and emotions take over, v scary. In the long run, however, good sense will surely prevail. At least this review slates the book, 'a joyless slog', 'mind-numbing' - and this from someone paid to read it. Noticed the mail on sunday did a second excerpt on it yesterday - mainly on mj's finances and his habit of spending far more than he was earning. Really no different to most people in the western world and noone's business except his and his bank managers.

Compared to all the other 10 amazon books of the month, this one is tanking.
 
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That article was clearly written with the attempt to provoke fans - he even notes the "prosthetic nose" thing has pissed fans off.
 
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There's a great, comprehensive critique of the book on amazon which just details all the misconceptions and factual errors randall made when writing his book. Just click on the link for the full review.

Archaic - time travel back into tabloids of the 90s November 11, 2012
By Katerina

How is it possible to write a book and already have it considered out of date by information that has been released over 2 years before it was published? It's a good question, and one I'd raise to both Randall, his publisher and the people who've excerpted his story all over their tabloids (where Randall's info mostly originates).

Any book which now proclaims that Michael did not have a nose, insinuates he bleached his skin recreationally, hems and haws over his innocence, claims Michael hated his race or claims Michael didn't have relationships with women is frankly anachronistic. There is much publicly available information which sheds light on all of that - none of which is covered here. Michael's autopsy report is publicly available, why is that not used as a source for the information about his nose and instead misatributed quotes from The Sun are presented as though they are fact? It would seem to me that Randall didn't even look at the autopsy report but got distracted by some tabloid recreation of it back in the days after his death and failed to research beyond that point. He goes on for pages about this supposed Bobby Driscoll's prosthetic nose he imagines Michael had, all of it entirely fictional and so absurd that I wondered at the degree of shame the author lacked in its recounting, at no point in this fictional nose nonsense did he seem to stop and reconsider how he was making himself sound ridiculous with this obsession, and not Michael. His nose is right there in his autopsy; and yet here he writes almost 4 pages about a fake nose that never existed. But it goes to show how absolutely anything goes with Michael and Sullivan - it seems there is no tabloid story too crazy or wild that Sullivan doesn't believe has a degree of truth in it. The Michael here is a monsterized version of tabloid literature come to life.

-- He now claims the autopsy not revealing a prosthetic is based on the fact that Michael removed it at night. I'm not sure if he's aware but in the autopsy photos Michael clearly still has his nose, and neither the coroner, the bodyguards, paramedics, or even Murray ever mentioned the lack of a nose in their reports. Did Mike keep this jar of noses by his bed? At what point during the day would it be glued on? Why have none of these noses ever gotten out? Mike left his phone everywhere, almost his entire life has been ransacked and paraded for show, but his detachable take-it-off-at-night-nose never went missing? None of the thieves around him ever bothered to run off with it to Ebay? Wouldn't these fake noses be worth bazillions? Why weren't they photographed by the crime scene photographers? Cited anywhere by anyone involved that day? Did it manage to re-attach itself to him during death for the photos? How exciting for it. It's also at odds with the original description in his book of how the coroner had to cut away the prosthetic (coroner never says this). Either he had it in the autopsy or he didn't; either way, we can clearly see in death his nose was with him, the coroner did not mention this lack of a nose and the nose seen there was the one he was normally seen with, i.e. this prosthetic nose business has absolutely no basis in reality.

Read more. http://www.amazon.com/Untouchable-S..._text?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0#R2WDK2LGNR50PX
 
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^^ I think Ray probably did not even realize telling on themselves when telling about Evan injecting Michael in the butt. Just like he does not realize telling on themselves in many, many other cases in the book.

Respect, How do you think VG got that drawing of Chandler's 'theory' about Michael's penis? Also, was the entire photo in VG's book? With the Brett stuff included? Thanks.
 
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thank you so much Katerina, this make me feel so much better.
 
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Respect, How do you think VG got that drawing of Chandler's 'theory' about Michael's penis? Also, was the entire photo in VG's book? With the Brett stuff included? Thanks.

VG claims he got those documents through the Chandler's El Salvadorean maid, Norma Salinas. I'm not sure I believe that though. IMO VG was in direct contact with Evan helping him with his plot. One of my reasons to think so is exactly on that drawing: on that darwing a certain Orietta is mentioned twice. It's a reference to Orietta Murdock who was Michael's personal assistant until he fired her in 1992. But what is her name doing on that drawing? When Michael befriended the Chandlers Orietta no longer worked for Michael. So why do they mention her in a drawing in which they attempt to make a guess about how Michael's privates looked like? Well, the link between the Chandlers and Orietta is VG, who befriended Orietta Murdock (it's mentioned, for example, in the 2006 September issue of the British GQ magazine in an article about VG - but also there is a photo of Orietta in VG's book). And her name is mentioned on the Chandlers' drawing because (through VG) she probably offered them info about Michael's skin condition.

Yes, in VG's book the entire drawing is included with the Brett references.
 
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The main thing is that current position for this book in Amazon has dropped well over 1000 positions.
At the moment, Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #2,493 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)
2 days ago it was around 1,000, now it is even lower, next bargain bin:)
I suppose first few days all the tabloid reporters run to buy it so they can print their rubbish again, but all has been said and written, so we can say goodbye to RS and his collection of tabloid tales.

Well let's tell sullivan to



We can all be happy now that there is now another testament that TRASH about Michael will not sell and be tolerated. Let's all celebrate
 
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In addition to the low sales of this crap book, we have more good news. Joe Vogel is releasing a paperback edition of his Earth Song book. http://www.amazon.com/dp/0981650678/ref=tsm_1_fb_lk

I assume he discovered new things about the song! We need to focus on positive news guys...
 
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Umm when the heck did that happen?
 
Mr. Mesereau's response to the email he received:

"Thank you for your email. I respectfully disagree with your approach to Mr. Sullivan’s book.

First of all, I am less concerned with issues like Vitiligo, plastic surgery and sexuality than the hideous, false charges of pedophilia. The main question, for me, is how to restore Michael Jackson’s damaged reputation.

In my opinion, labeling one as a child molester is worse than being called a murderer. However, please remember, the authorities called Michael Jackson a particularly horrific form of child molester. They said that he took a cancer-stricken child and filled him with alcohol to “soften him up” for sexual abuse. They also claimed that Michael tried to tear children away from their families. They charged him with abducting children and falsely imprisoning them. Michael was also charged with conspiracy to extort the family of the child he allegedly abused.

There are three general groups of people that are relevant to this issue. They are:

Group One: The Michael Jackson fan community;

Group Two: People who enjoy Michael Jackson’s music and art but suspect him of being a pedophile;

Group Three: Individuals who either don’t like Michael Jackson’s music or are indifferent to him, yet believe he was a child molester.

The main question for me is “How to convince Groups Two and Three that Michael Jackson was not a pedophile?”

With all due respect to you and the Michael Jackson community, Group One has virtually no influence on Groups Two and Three. When supporters of Michael Jackson claim that he was not a child molester, people in Groups Two and Three give little credence to their position. The reaction is simply “Who cares what they have to say. They are Michael Jackson fans. What do you expect?”

Obviously, there is a similar reaction to my position. I know that Michael Jackson was not a pedophile. But, unfortunately, the general reaction from people in Groups Two and Three is “What do you expect? Mesereau was his lawyer.”

Randall Sullivan’s book will do more to dispel these horrific, false charges than anything that you or I have to say.

When Michael Jackson supporters state their beliefs in Michael Jackson’s innocence, they are usually “preaching to the choir.”

Mr. Sullivan’s book, with his conclusions that Michael Jackson was not a pedophile, has an enormous capacity to reach a large audience that continues to attack Michael’s reputation. This is because Mr. Sullivan did not approach his work as a Michael Jackson fan or supporter. His work clearly demonstrates that he is willing to address troubling, controversial issues in Michael Jackson’s life, as well as present relevant information that certain individuals don’t like. For this reason, his conclusions that Michael was not a child molester can have more persuasive weight.

On a personal note, I don’t like censorship or group boycotts. I believe that certain individuals who are criticized in this book are orchestrating a negative campaign. Some of the negative comments suggest that the critics did not even read the book. This is disturbing to me.

You say that questioning the sexuality of a “famous, talented, powerful black man is racism”. Do you think this is worse than calling a famous, talented black man a pedophile? If you do, we are in very strong disagreement.

I don’t judge people by their sexuality. Nor do I judge them by their race, religion or spiritual beliefs. Michael told me he was heterosexual and I believe him. But if he were not, it would make no difference to me.

Again, I believe we both share the same goals. We both want to restore Michael Jackson’s reputation because we know what a wonderful, kind and talented person he was. We simply have a different view of priorities.

Thank you for sharing your views with me.

Sincerely,

Tom Mesereau

https://www.facebook.com/ReflectionsOnTheDance/posts/10151244885228726
 
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I believed it was him when I first saw the review. Sigh.

I love and respect Mesereau, and I understand what he means about the people in the non-fan category, but he needs to realize this book is unconvincing in any regard to that.
 
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