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Jordan Chandler Discussion Thread

This "desiree" person needs to be checked out by poilce
 
There is no doubt about it, with what went down between Evan and Jordy in 2005, that Evan only ever looked at his son like a pimp towards a woman, prostituting them for a dollar. You do not use that kind of extreme force upon your child, except that you don't love them. Not even Joseph Jackson went that far!

When Evan worked in Beverly Hills as a dentist, a seed was planted about Show Business. Was the patient who gave Evan his Screenplay to give to Mel Brooks, the seed? This seems to initialize what transpired, because in the original negotiations between Michael and Evan, Evan wanted around twenty million dollars, five million each for one movie and Evan wanted to produce four movies and/or start up his own independent movie studio, finding struggling screenwriters, etc., to work with to establish himself in the Industry.

Funny thing, though, somehow cocky Evan didn't anticipate the hatred Michael's fan's incurred towards him, claiming he had to hide from them as they would knock him off if they got their hands on him, even though he took his own life, whether because of a debilitating disease or not.

In the end, Evan lied not only about saying it was Jordy who inspired him to write "Robin Hood Men In Tights," but, Evan never had any intention of doing anything with his son. Evan never planned on becoming as close to Jordy as Michael had become to Jordy. Evan's twisted little mind was so warped, he never even thought that through or he lied about drawing closer to Jordy at the time he was using Michael to get money, that this was the basis of why Michael should soften up and cooperate with Evan. Because once again, Evan began pimping his son to get to Michael, to negotiate a parent's love of their innocent child!


 
8701girl said:
This "desiree" person needs to be checked out by poilce
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I was going to say the same thing. Those of you who frequent her blog how come you did not alert the authorities/FBI about a person promoting this crime on the internet?

^^It is good to see those lists with the lie stated and then the correct information next to it. That is simple, so people who do not like to read many paragraphs can read it & learn the truth. We need to put all these lists together. That is one of the reasons why tabloids are read easily because the story is short. People will read the list before they buy Aphrodite's book and read the whole thing.
 
la_cienega said:
^ People are working on things like that, but it takes time.
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Yes I understand that it takes a lot of time because people have other jobs--wish I was a person of independent means so I could focus on this too.
 
Petrarose said:
I was going to say the same thing. Those of you who frequent her blog how come you did not alert the authorities/FBI about a person promoting this crime on the internet?

^^It is good to see those lists with the lie stated and then the correct information next to it. That is simple, so people who do not like to read many paragraphs can read it & learn the truth. We need to put all these lists together. That is one of the reasons why tabloids are read easily because the story is short. People will read the list before they buy Aphrodite's book and read the whole thing.
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I agree
 
Petrarose said:
Yes I understand that it takes a lot of time because people have other jobs--wish I was a person of independent means so I could focus on this too.
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People are working on it though.

There's always behind the scenes investigations going on.
 
The saddest thing to me is how authorities handled the whole case. It was so unfortunate for Michael that the DA who investigated it was prejudiced and biased against him from the get go, instead of being an honest pursuer of truth. I think seeing that bias against him on the part of authorities was a big part of why he settled. Before that he trusted the justice system, but when he saw how the accuser is favored in each and every decision - even in decisions which potentially can corrupt the proceedings - such as this thing with not pushing the civil trial behind the criminal, I guess he lost faith in the system.

Sneddon did not want to find out the truth, he just wanted to be the prosecutor who put MJ in jail. How extremely lucky the Chandlers and the Arvizos were with Sneddon? If it had been an honest, truthful prosecutor they could not have gone anywhere with their allegations. On contrary, maybe Evan Chandler and Janet Arvizo would be in jail for extortion/false witnessing.
 
I read from others that Sneedon is just like that, very corrupted. He earned the name MAD DOG for a reason. He likes to be boss and I'm sure many innocent people are in jail cause of it. Didn't one of his own, someone who use to work with him try to sue him for malicious prosecution? I think the man name was Gary Dunlap?! Don't know what happened with that though?!
 
Re: Jordy Chandler Discussion Thread

respect77 said:
It was the same in 2003-05. Ray goes on all those TV shows and NO ONE ever asks him any hardball questions. They just accept anything he says when he's a proven liar. It's just crazy.
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Yes. Personally, I think those people accepted whatever Ray said because he was saying things about Michael in his interviews that they already believed. But from what I've heard, Michael's lawyers challenged Ray to come to court and say those things. And he didn't want to talk.
 
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respect77 said:
The saddest thing to me is how authorities handled the whole case. It was so unfortunate for Michael that the DA who investigated it was prejudiced and biased against him from the get go, instead of being an honest pursuer of truth. I think seeing that bias against him on the part of authorities was a big part of why he settled. Before that he trusted the justice system, but when he saw how the accuser is favored in each and every decision - even in decisions which potentially can corrupt the proceedings - such as this thing with not pushing the civil trial behind the criminal, I guess he lost faith in the system.

Sneddon did not want to find out the truth, he just wanted to be the prosecutor who put MJ in jail. How extremely lucky the Chandlers and the Arvizos were with Sneddon? If it had been an honest, truthful prosecutor they could not have gone anywhere with their allegations. On contrary, maybe Evan Chandler and Janet Arvizo would be in jail for extortion/false witnessing.
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The way Sneddon continued even after that - telling Vanity Fair MJ had books with naked kids, telling them the description matched exactly, sitting in with Jason Francia's interviews, giving Diane Sawyer 3 hour prep talks before her interview with them, trying to interview Priscilla Presley during his marriage to Lisa because he'd heard she hated him, trying to interview Lisa immediately after the divorce, waiting for Jeremy Jackson to turn 18 to interview him, letting his officers tell kids that they needed to admit to being abused because Macaulay Culkin's life was in danger... and then helping the Arvizo's change their story so that it better fit the evidence.

It's just not normal. He should have respectfully let the evidence speak for itself. But he didn't.
 
Wasn't he sued for people who went to jail unfairly because of him? I wonder what happened in those cases, that bastard is the a true criminal and he should be in jail. :mat:
 
I do think that if somebody falsely accuses someone of a horrible crime then those people should be punished. Take the Arviso's for example. It was proven in court that they were liars and yet they walked away unpunished and that is just wrong.
 
Maybe I watch many revenge movies but I wonder if any fan in disguise has ever dared to give any of those sons of bitches Jordan or Gavin a beat off or insulting them at least. Pardon my language but that's what they are! :mat:
 
Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
Maybe I watch many revenge movies but I wonder if any fan in disguise has ever dared to give any of those sons of bitches Jordan or Gavin a beat off or insulting them at least. Pardon my language but that's what they are! :mat:
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That would only give an opportunity for the media to bash Michael and his fans once again. Such actions lead nowhere.
 
You're right respect, but my comment came out of frustration they both got away with murder. Gavin didn't get money from Michael but I'm sure Zonen has for him a place in the district attorney office since that scum wants to become a lawyer.
 
Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
Gavin didn't get money from Michael but I'm sure Zonen has for him a place in the district attorney office since that scum wants to become a lawyer.
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I don't find the idea of Gavin blackmailing Zonen and co impossible.
Why all the people who were trying to put MJ to jail are still in contact and going each others weddings etc (re the recent wedding that Demon was attending too)?
Gavin knows that 2004 trial was mockery created by Sneddon and co, and he might have threatened to come clear (MJ didn't do a thing to him) if those people don't help with his career/life?

I don't think they invited Gavin because he was traumatised or he is such a nice person.
During the trial we heard witnesses like Leno and Tucker saying that they got funny vibes of Gavin and his family and something is wrong with Arvizo family.
If all other people got that feeling of them, how convenient that the only persons hanging with them in people from prosecutors side?
It is either Arvizo's are blackmailing them, or prosecutors wants to keep them close in case he slips something that put them in the bad light.

He wants to become a lawyer! God help his future customers.
 
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The Arvizo kids can be very fawning but I also think there's more to this great friendship between them and Zonen, Dimond, Palanker than them being "oh so nice" kids. After a while everyone wanted to keep their distance from them and felt uncomfortable around them: Leno, Tucker, Michael etc. So I agree that Zonen and Co. want to keep them close to make sure they won't make a big confession about how it was all a lie and how they were encouraged by the prosecution to make those lies...

I only hope that the Arvizo kids manage to leech off Zonen and Dimond as much as they did others.
 
These kids are trouble makers, they have always been.

I know some kids can grow up bad and turn out normal, but these kids have been bad since forever, and worst than bad, they've always gotten away with it. JC Pennys, extorting from George Lopez, and of course the Michael Jackson heist. They have never had to pay for anything and gotten away with it all.

Star strikes me as being the one who will get caught red handed doing something because he really doesn't seem to care, but Gavin seems slightly more cautious in how he does his schemes.

It would be a great day to hear they'd been arrested for something, and Zonen and Dimond can bail them out. I would love to see them caught lying again.

I have a suspicion we'll see that someday from them, I don't believe either one of them will turn out decent.

It seems it's becoming more and more normal to accept that the Arvizo case was a fraud, yet nobody seems concerned about asking why it was allowed to happen. So I hope 2005 becomes more and more established in the mainstream as a complete sham so it would limit any success in people feeling sorry for them in the future.

The fact that they got away with 2005 is still unreal to me.
 
la_cienega said:
It would be a great day to hear they'd been arrested for something, and Zonen and Dimond can bail them out. I would love to see them caught lying again.

I have a suspicion we'll see that someday from them, I don't believe either one of them will turn out decent.
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I agree, but I'm only afraid of how Dimond, Orth and others in the media will play it, if it happens: "Oh that's all because they have been molested by MJ. That's why they are so troubled. Look what MJ did to them." As if their childhood was normal up until meeting MJ...
 
respect77 said:
The Arvizo kids can be very fawning but I also think there's more to this great friendship between them and Zonen, Dimond, Palanker than them being "oh so nice" kids. After a while everyone wanted to keep their distance from them and felt uncomfortable around them: Leno, Tucker, Michael etc. So I agree that Zonen and Co. want to keep them close to make sure they won't make a big confession about how it was all a lie and how they were encouraged by the prosecution to make those lies...

I only hope that the Arvizo kids manage to leech off Zonen and Dimond as much as they did others.
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I can see the same behaviour going on with Gavin and some members of prosecutors side, he latched himself to them.
Maybe Janet did the same thing than she taught her kids to do with Michael? I can imagine she telling them to call Demon diamond =mum and Zonen/Sneddon-dad.
I bet they'll regret taking Arvizos under their wings, they have latched themselves to them for rest of their lives:D
 
I think Gavin and Star are very arrogant and feel shameless about what they've done.

If we get a "confession" from anyone, I'll bet it'll be someone around them who wants to make big money by taping them bragging about not having been molested and having gotten away with it.
 
la_cienega said:
I think Gavin and Star are very arrogant and feel shameless about what they've done.

If we get a "confession" from anyone, I'll bet it'll be someone around them who wants to make big money by taping them bragging about not having been molested and having gotten away with it.
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Deborah Kunesh from Reflections on the Dance site said that she had an interview with someone who knew Gavin - does anyone know what became of that?
 
^I'm sure it's not come out yet. Deborah kunesh seems to have alot of interviews on the go.

la cienega said:
I think Gavin and Star are very arrogant and feel shameless about what they've done.
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They'll have been fed stories from the da's office since 03 about what a monster mj is and how brave they were in testifying and how they'll save countless children from a fate worse than death, etc etc. They'll be constantly reinforced by zonen etc about how they did the right thing but that damn jury was just so star-struck. Judging by all those altered timelines after the grand jury, i don;t think the arvizos were exactly probingly questioned by the authorities in sbarbara. Their mind was made up re mj's guilt before gavin walked through their door - they would have fallen over themselves to get him to the courtstand.
 
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Deborah Kunesh has been promising Gavin's former classmate interview since early 2012 and she hasn't put it out yet...

Do you guys think if the Arvizos ever confess for themselves those charges and trial were made up by the prosecution, Zonen could do something to them?

No matter how many proofs we have to our disposal, Michael's name won't be completely cleared out because those 2 bastards won't admit what they did. :mat:
 
^^ I can see Jordan confessing sooner than the Arvizos. (Not that a Jordan confession is very likely.) Unless they have a row with Zonen and they go and tell the truth as a revenge on the prosecution. But until that happens Zonen will make sure they keep up the myth. In any case, if the Arvizos ever confess the truth, that won't be out of bad conscience IMO. They don't seem to have a conscience.
 
I don't see the Arvizo's willingly confessing, but seeing them accidentally get taped saying MJ is innocent and it was a scam... I could see that.
 
A confession from Jordan would create more of an impact than the arvizos because in '93 there was no trial.
 
It's more then clear there was a deal with the Arvios's to stay quiet and they will get whatever they want. Did Janet Arviso's spend even one min in jail after pleading guilty to welfare fraud, NOPE! Gee...I wonder why? These bastards were gonna win the lotto with or without MJ being found not guilty!
 
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