[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

I don't know that he expects anything. This is really a criminal allegation, against a dead person, that can't be proven. So what is the real objective here? Yes, I do believe very strongly that AEG is behind this.


So why did he do just that then? File a criminal complaint against a dead man? Don't you think it would have made way more sense for him to just go public and not file a CC omplaint for money from a dead man?
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

DOES 1,2, 3 (line 26) : does it mean there were 3 persons involved in his molestation complaint, or could he be saving some "DOES" for future repressed memories , other people involved that he may not know about at the time of the claim ?

I was under the impression that does 1,2,3 were mentioned in the context of wanting to protect their privacy under some california code. I'm not sure if the 3 are mj, wade and one other, or 3 people he's claiming against, or 3 people who are involved in this incident - i just skimmed the doc.
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

to busy in court trying to get their billions maureens best buddy is doing the rounds though.

so how much does he want and court date set?

I am STILL waiting for a reaction for The Jackson family....LaToya tweets about her show and remaining positive tweet...but says NOTHING at all about this....smh....unbelievable.
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

Repressed memory, my ass. So 93 and 05 allegations couldn't help him to retrieve his 'lost memory". But Suddenly out of blue, after 20 years, after 4 years of Michael's death, in the middle of AEG trial, his memory finally come back at him. $$$$$$$$
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

from the document linked above by Last Tear , page 7

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I'm not sure I understand it :

what is an "unfiled complaint" (line 19) Is it a criminal complaint ?

DOES 1,2, 3 (line 26) : does it mean there were 3 persons involved in his molestation complaint, or could he be saving some "DOES" for future repressed memories , other people involved that he may not know about at the time of the claim ?

Overall, this document is his request for filing under seal. Does it mean he has not filed ANYTHING yet ? Is he waiting for the court's order to seal before he files his creditor claim and possibly a criminal complaint ?

thanks for the help

It actually seems like he is accusing 3 people, not that there are 3 alleged victims:

"In order to adequately and fully plead his claims against DOES 1, 2 and 3, Claimant must identify and make reference to facts and information that would necessarily divulge and identities of DOES 1, 2 and 3."
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

I think you can forget about expecting anything from them. The only connection they have to Michael now is their last name is Jackson just like his. Other than that, they don't care as long as isn't one of them. Like I said before, as far as I'm concerned, they're enemies to Michael Jackson, just like the rest.

yeah...I know what your saying...the exception here would have to be Jerms...seeing as how he has leagally changed HIS last name to "Jacksun" :tease::blink::crazy
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

I wouldn't be surprised if this guys family supports him not Michael. I don't trust anybody anymore. I feel so bad for Michael's kids. He probably doesn't have the guts to face them and tell them this to their face what he is accusing their father of doing. All Michael did was help people he gets stabbed in the back. He is not here to witness this but his memory is being slandered and his kids have to see this.
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

Sick to death of this bullshit ... it's like tradition now - every 10 years. I feel like the truth is never gonna come out and MJ's reputation will always be tarnished by this.
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

Again with the repressed memory BS? In one fell swoop Wade Robson has degraded himself from a respectable choreographer to the likes of Joseph Bartucci, who some of you may remember as the shortly-lived original "repressed memory" accuser back in '04 that even the incompetent Brian Oxman was able to disprove (although Bartucci still uses these 15 seconds of fame as part of his "portfolio" and brags about being mentioned in Diane Dimond's book). I wonder if Michael also pounded Robson's head repeatedly into the concrete as he did Bartucci's, thus explaining the lost and recently recovered memories (/sarcasm)?

I cannot imagine this case making it to trial especially given the exculpatory evidence Robson himself provided multiple times from the 90s onward, including under oath. Recall that Robson's mother and sister also testified under oath in defense of Michael Jackson. Robson's alleged abuse, as originally defined by Tom Sneddon's team, was a fabrication supported in chief by The Neverland Five--the group of disgruntled employees who happen to once again be making airwaves to slander Michael's name thanks in no small part to the wrongful death lawsuit Michael's family is pursuing.

Although it would be excellent if Thomas Mesereau would represent Michael in this case if it ever made it that far, any lawyer would suffice. You'd hear from the same exact witnesses that you did during the '05 trial (Ralph Chacon, Kassim Abdool, Blanca Francia, etc) and the same devastating cross-examination would ensue, where they would all be widely discredited thanks to their proven record of perjury, theft, libel... And then Wade and his family would be asked to re-read to the jury their court testimony from the '05 trial and subsequent remarks about Michael. You can bet the repressed memory shrink would also be grilled undauntingly.

It's disheartening that it isn't bad enough for the Jackson family and AEG to be rebranding Michael's image as a chronic drug addict (contrary to forensic evidence), so let's now throw in another patently false molestation accusation for good measure all in the name of money.

Also, for those unaware repressed memories as a whole are generally egregious. I think Professor Richard McNally of Harvard University said it best: "Repressed memories are the most pernicious bit of folklore ever to infect psychology and psychiatry."

Even university studies from the 1990s discredited repressed memories in sexual abuse cases: "They often start by having a parent or other trusted authority figure suggest to the study subject the event is true. Not only have the first five subjects developed a memory of the false incident, she said, but they also often elaborate the story with their own details."
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

So why did he do just that then? File a criminal complaint against a dead man? Don't you think it would have made way more sense for him to just go public and not file a CC omplaint for money from a dead man?
Its not a criminal complaint, its a civil action against the estate but what I meant was he is alleging Michael did to him was a criminal act and he obviously filed a civil complaint because he needs the money but I wouldn't be surprised if AEG didn't dig him up too.
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

Tscm u legend. how u doin?
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

But my point is if he was put up to this by AEG then he is doing it all wrong
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

Sorry , I hadn't understood . . All probate cases for the Jackson Estate are the same BP117321

The hearing today has to do with Tohme and the Estate's lawsuit against him for wrongfully taken property among other


All of these cases were filed on 29. June 2009?
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

Again with the repressed memory BS? In one fell swoop Wade Robson has degraded himself from a respectable choreographer to the likes of Joseph Bartucci, who some of you may remember as the shortly-lived original "repressed memory" accuser back in '04 that even the incompetent Brian Oxman was able to disprove (although Bartucci still uses these 15 seconds of fame as part of his "portfolio" and brags about being mentioned in Diane Dimond's book). I wonder if Michael also pounded Robson's head repeatedly into the concrete as he did Bartucci's, thus explaining the lost and recently recovered memories (/sarcasm)?

I cannot imagine this case making it to trial especially given the exculpatory evidence Robson himself provided multiple times from the 90s onward, including under oath. Recall that Robson's mother and sister also testified under oath in defense of Michael Jackson. Robson's alleged abuse, as originally defined by Tom Sneddon's team, was a fabrication supported in chief by The Neverland Five--the group of disgruntled employees who happen to once again be making airwaves to slander Michael's name thanks in no small part to the wrongful death lawsuit Michael's family is pursuing.

Although it would be excellent if Thomas Mesereau would represent Michael in this case if it ever made it that far, any lawyer would suffice. You'd hear from the same exact witnesses that you did during the '05 trial (Ralph Chacon, Kassim Abdool, Blanca Francia, etc) and the same devastating cross-examination would ensue, where they would all be widely discredited thanks to their proven record of perjury, theft, libel... And then Wade and his family would be asked to re-read to the jury their court testimony from the '05 trial and subsequent remarks about Michael. You can bet the repressed memory shrink would also be grilled undauntingly.

It's disheartening that it isn't bad enough for the Jackson family and AEG to be rebranding Michael's image as a chronic drug addict (contrary to forensic evidence), so let's now throw in another patently false molestation accusation for good measure all in the name of money.

Also, for those unaware repressed memories as a whole are generally egregious. I think Professor Richard McNally of Harvard University said it best: "Repressed memories are the most pernicious bit of folklore ever to infect psychology and psychiatry."

Even university studies from the 1990s discredited repressed memories in sexual abuse cases: "They often start by having a parent or other trusted authority figure suggest to the study subject the event is true. Not only have the first five subjects developed a memory of the false incident, she said, but they also often elaborate the story with their own details."

Welcome back TSCM :)
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

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Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

I wanna know when Wade started to see this psychologist. I mean, 9-10 months he talked positiveley of MJ in that video that have been posted so when did he start to "remember" these alleged things?
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

Sick to death of this bullshit ... it's like tradition now - every 10 years. I feel like the truth is never gonna come out and MJ's reputation will always be tarnished by this.



Oh, yeah, that is it!!!

And many do know about that! And we-fans should stress that matter of fact all over the internet discussions
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

^^Exactly. I hope he remembers to say he saw the psychiatrist less than 9 months ago, because he is on video up to 9 months ago praising Michael.

I see a lot of people believe AEG is behind this. This is the same thinking that Latoya & family used when they stated that someone hired Muarry & him being a fall guy, which many of us scoffed at. The blame here falls on Wade only. He chose to do this because his business is bankrupt.
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

I wanna know when Wade started to see this psychologist. I mean, 9-10 months he talked positiveley of MJ in that video that have been posted so when did he start to "remember" these alleged things?


Can someone post that video from 9/10 months ago please?
 
karom;3819505 said:
But if the guy is 30 now and he hasn't "slept over" at Michael's since he was 14, that makes it at least 16 years since the alleged crime. That is to say if he claims MJ molested him when he was 14 which IMO, he would have to be very hard-headed to claim. :smilerolleyes: So, wouldn't the SOL have expired? Isn't that like 8 years after the age of majority for child molestation in California? I could be wrong, just asking. :lol:

The filing with the probate court refers to California code 340, which refers to SOL re damages in civil suits. What it says is that the SOL is 8 years after age of majority OR 3 years afrer 'discovery'--whichever is later, so if his recovery of menory of child sex abuse was within the last 3 years, the SOL has not expired.

CAL. CIV. PROC. CODE § 340.1 (2010). Damages suffered as result of childhood sexual abuse; Certificates of merit.
(a) In an action for recovery of damages suffered as a result of childhood sexual abuse, the time for commencement of the action shall be within eight years of the date the plaintiff attains the age of majority or within three years of the date the plaintiff discovers or reasonably should have discovered that psychological injury or illness occurring after the age of majority was caused by the sexual abuse, whichever period expires later, for any of the following actions:
(1) An action against any person for committing an act of childhood sexual abuse.

http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/Statute of ...Action for Offenses against Children 2010.pdf
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

I can't watch that.
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

Me think this is the beginning of the end of AEG. Somehow they are connected to this mess. I expect a criminal investigation to take place soon with plenty of arrests. and of course a rain of civil lawsuits. just stay tuned...
 
jamba;3819642 said:
The filing with the probate court refers to California code 340, which refers to SOL re damages in civil suits. What it says is that the SOL is 8 years after age of majority OR 3 years afrer 'discovery'--whichever is later, so if his recovery of menory of child sex abuse was within the last 3 years, the SOL has not expired.

CAL. CIV. PROC. CODE § 340.1 (2010). Damages suffered as result of childhood sexual abuse; Certificates of merit.
(a) In an action for recovery of damages suffered as a result of childhood sexual abuse, the time for commencement of the action shall be within eight years of the date the plaintiff attains the age of majority or within three years of the date the plaintiff discovers or reasonably should have discovered that psychological injury or illness occurring after the age of majority was caused by the sexual abuse, whichever period expires later, for any of the following actions:
(1) An action against any person for committing an act of childhood sexual abuse.

http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/Statute%20of%20Limitations%20for%20Civil%20Action%20for%20Offenses%20against%20Children%202010.pdf


so and that means...????
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

BUT: (from TMZ)
Robson sends MJ's Estate a child molestation "complaint" (a criminal act) that was never filed with police, never filed in criminal court to determine guilt or innocence and expects to file a creditor's claim in a probate court. Who on earth is the attorney representing him and where did he get his law degree?
Wade's mother and sister testified that MJ was innocent also during the 2005 trial. So far Wade is calling Michael, his mother, his sister, and Mesereau liars.
This sounds like blackmail of MJ's Estate which means pay me lots of money to silence me forever.



Is this someone's comment to the TMZ articles? Wade is not making a criminal complaint, he is filing for damages--this is under a civil code 340--is is asking for a late creditor claim to the Estate.
 
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