[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

respect77;3820948 said:
There's another version of it

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If I sail to Acapulco or Cancun Mexico
There the law is waiting for me
and God knows that I'm innocent

If they wont take me in Cairo
then lord where will I go?

I’ll die a man without a country
and only God knew I was innocent now.

:cry:

That's heartbreaking.
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

I am not here to defend the Robson family in any way, but I feel we need to careful not to vilify them without the facts.

Sorry, but speaking for MYSELF, I'm not here to vilify anyone. I'm just keeping it real!

Wade not only testified for Michael, he basically did a World Tour with his praise of Michael. In my opinion, any repressed memory he "claimed" to now have should have reared it's ugly head because he talked about Michael non-stop.

I'm sorry but Wade Robson PLAYED HIMSELF, in my opinion and his going after money was the kiss of death for him and his bogus claims.
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

It will be quite a different thing if THEY claimed that they knew all along that Michael was a 'monster'. But until we actually KNOW FOR A FACT what they are claiming, I would not start demonising them.
It's that their lawyer claimed every normal person would think of MJ as a monster, well the Robson's sure didn't until only just now. So what does that make them?

On another note - I am still unclear as to whether Robson is claiming repressed memory or suppressed emotions. For the former, he did not REMEMBER being abused over a 7 year period. And for the latter, he knew all along but was keeping the secret. My vote is still for suppressed memory as a strategy cause the other strategy sinks his ship.

I am going to have to re-read what the lawyer said, as opposed to what TMZ said he said!

Saying that the evidence has only come to light in the last 60 (or is it 90?) days according to the probate court hearing stipulations shows it must be "new evidence" to Robson though?

Unless he's claiming that the effect the abuse had on his life only took effect (as he'd "coped" and adequately "suppressed" it) in the last 60 days which contradicts his 2011 anxiety thing and the March 2012 breakdown.
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

In my opinion any "breakdown" he may have had, was PROBABLY put in motion when he got the boot from Britney's tour and when he didn't get the gig for the MJ inspired Cirque du Soleil show.

Had he gotten that MJ Cirque show, his behind would be sitting pretty right about now - financially. He probably had already made plans to re-build his collapsed "empire" with that money, only to lose out and be left with nothing. Yeah, some folks out there might have had a breakdown too after receiving that type of news, after they had gotten their hopes up at the prospects of things to come.

Sorry Wade, YOU are the biggest loser!
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

I had edited a line from my original post where I said we need to focus on Wade himself. He deserves every invective we can hurl at him.

But I don't know enough about what the family knows/knew, what they were told and when they were told, to start in on them. That's all I'm saying.
 
Wade Robson Will Have To Explain Several Gushing Interviews About Michael Jackson To Prove Molestation Claims | Radar Online

Famed Australian choreographer Wade Robson — who recently filed a creditor’s claim against Michael Jackson’s Estate in which he accuses the King of Pop of sexually abusing him as a child — is going to have to explain several gushing interviews he gave in the last several years in which he praised the Thriller singer and boasted about working for the Cirque du Soleil tribute to the entertainer, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.

On July 30, 2011, Robson gave an interview in support of Pulse on Tour NYC, and said, “I’m starting on Cirque du Soleil, the Michael Jackson Show, so it’s the equivalent of the Beetles Love Show, the Elvis Show, but for Michael, which is you know it’s exciting and terrifying all at the same time because it’s such a huge responsibility. But that is why I took it on, because he was such a huge part of my life for twenty years — before he passed — since I was seven. So it’s an opportunity for me to give back a little to his legacy, such a big part of his legacy and make sure as much as I can that it’s done right and represents his essence. So that is a really big undertaking.”

As we previously reported, Robson was a star witness for Jackson at his infamous molestation trial in 2005, during which the Australian said he had NEVER been abused by the superstar singer.

Robson, now 30, first met Jackson when he was 5 and had several sleepovers at the Bad singer’s Neverland Ranch — allegedly until he was 14.

In the court docs, obtained by RadarOnline.com, Robson’s attorney stated in a sworn declaration that the claim should be sealed because of “childhood sexual abuse in the universal complaint for childhood sexual abuse as described in the unified complaint for childhood sexual abuse attached to the Creditor’s claim.”

Casting more doubt on Robson’s new claims, in an interview with Master Class Legends — uploaded to You Tube in July, 2012 — the choreographer gushed about the time he spent with Jackson as a child.

In the interview, Robson recounts dancing on stage with Jackson at age seven, after winning a dance contest in which meeting & performing with the singer was the grand prize. He recalled being obsessed with Jackson’s Thriller video at the young age of 2.

However, Robson recounted what fame and media scrutiny took a toll on Jackson.

“Particularly growing up with Michael, that is a whole other scale, that level of fame, and rightly so for all the amazing reasons, things and work did. But I saw how that tormented him as well. When I was really young, I idolized him, and wanted to be everything and anything he was on that sort of scale. Then as I was getting a little older, going through that experience (myself), kind of referring back to that sort of stuff I saw with Michael’s life and realizing for me personally, I don’t know if I want that particular version of life.”

The timing of these interviews could be pivotal, if the judge allows the creditors claim to proceed, because the deadline has long since passed for those to be paid by the Estate.

Howard Weitzman, attorney for Michael Jackson’s Estate, issued a statement after the claim was filed. “This is a young man who has testified at least twice under oath over the past 20 years and said in numerous interviews that Michael Jackson never did anything inappropriate to him or with him. Now, nearly four years after Michael has passed, this sad and less than credible claim has been made. We are confident that the court will see this for what it is.”

As a choreographer, Robson has worked with some of music’s biggest names, including Britney Spears, Usher, Pink and ‘N Sync. He’s also appeared on FOX’s So You Think You Can Dance as both a judge and choreographer.

The first hearing in Robson¹s claim is scheduled for June 6.

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/05/michael-jackson-accuser-wade-robson-molestation-claims/
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

Guess radar has been on the boards!
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

"Let the whole world he against ?Gary? as Mod/God knows I'm an innocent man now. The British try to find me then lourd (sic) believe why I you
let the whole world try to find me ?Gary? as mod/god knows"
Thank you. But now I still don't get it. :mello:
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

We always seem to be fighting for Michael over something. It would be nice if we could all just enjoy his music and the great legacy he left behind but thanks to ass's like Robson we're still fighting for Michael, but no matter how many B.S stories pop, i'll always fight for him

MJ fans are the only fan base who is always fighting someone. I bet Elvis Presley fans don't have this problem, i bet John Lennon fans don's have this problem. No other fan base as gone through as much s**t as MJ's fan base

Being an MJ fan is a constant battle and i'm sick of it
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

We always seem to be fighting for Michael over something. It would be nice if we could all just enjoy his music and the great legacy he left behind but thanks to ass's like Robson we're still fighting for Michael, but no matter how many B.S stories pop, i'll always fight for him

MJ fans are the only fan base who is always fighting someone. I bet Elvis Presley fans don't have this problem, i bet John Lennon fans don's have this problem. No other fan base as gone through as much s**t as MJ's fan base

Being an MJ fan is a constant battle and i'm sick of it

On the other hand, maybe we are one of the very few (if not the only) fanbase that cares enough to fight.
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

I am not here to defend the Robson family in any way, but I feel we need to careful not to vilify them without the facts. For all we know they were as surprised and shocked by Mr Robson's "confessions".

Surprised and shocked? It's not like these claims came totally out of the blue about some random person that had never been suspected before. This is mj - the world's most famous alleged pedophile, where wade was formally declared one of his 'victims' by the santa barbara da's office in the most publicised trial in history, where the media ran stories of wade and mj showering together, sleeping in bed together, where in tv interviews wade is up front asked if mj 'touched' him. And yet, this family constantly and consistently denied anything like that took place. They surely wd have had to have been 100% sure, it's one thing to miss signs but if you're constantly actively searching for them? Of course it would have to be seen as a massive dereliction of a mother's role if that family want those claims to be seen as genuine - mj wasn't around them all the time, wade was her son. Was he withdrawn? scared to be in mj's company? displaying all the other signs of child abuse? - any decent mother wd be paranoid about searching for those signs post 93 sad to say. The general public will have zilch sympathy for this family's continued presence in mj's life after 93.

It's not really us doing the vilifying - wade did that by claiming 7yrs of sexual abuse from mj - of course the role of his family during this period is open to discussion.imo
 
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Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

In my opinion any "breakdown" he may have had, was PROBABLY put in motion when he got the boot from Britney's tour and when he didn't get the gig for the MJ inspired Cirque du Soleil show.

Had he gotten that MJ Cirque show, his behind would be sitting pretty right about now - financially. He probably had already made plans to re-build his collapsed "empire" with that money, only to lose out and be left with nothing. Yeah, some folks out there might have had a breakdown too after receiving that type of news, after they had gotten their hopes up at the prospects of things to come.

Sorry Wade, YOU are the biggest loser!

Ahhhh so when his lawyer said his career went trajectile - she meant downwards.
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

Guess radar has been on the boards!

fans sent the videos to Jen Heger and she said that she will write a story about it and she kept her promise :)
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

Ah right thanks. have all the videos/facebook comment from his sister about work from march 2012 been sent to the estate. just incase.
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

Repressed memory is so fecking convenient. Gets him out of so much trouble................
No it does not. Repress memory does NOT work like this. No one with Repress memory is going to go years defending a person who they think abused them.
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

Thank god pro-active fans :bow:

We can search more of those recent interviews and youtube links of him and his family talking about Michael and send them to the media and the estate.
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

fans sent the videos to Jen Heger and she said that she will write a story about it and she kept her promise :)

Well I'll say this, If Mr. Robson is not in hiding yet, he soon will be, that's for sure.

In my internet travels today, one thing I notice is that the majority of folks I have come across, are not buying this story. And I'm not talking about just MJ fans, I'm talking about the "general" public who post comments on the various news sites I visit daily.

I guess Wade also repressed the memory of all those "praising Michael" interviews he has done.

P.S. I love Michael Jackson fans. When it comes to gathering information, we are the best!
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

We always seem to be fighting for Michael over something. It would be nice if we could all just enjoy his music and the great legacy he left behind but thanks to ass's like Robson we're still fighting for Michael, but no matter how many B.S stories pop, i'll always fight for him

MJ fans are the only fan base who is always fighting someone. I bet Elvis Presley fans don't have this problem, i bet John Lennon fans don's have this problem. No other fan base as gone through as much s**t as MJ's fan base

Being an MJ fan is a constant battle and i'm sick of it

I know, it's very frustrating. I'd love it if being an MJ fan would be just as nice and easy as being a fan of any other artist. Just talking about his music, videos, concerts, image, his sexiness etc. But we have to become experts in court cases and legal proceedings and what not. All the time. And we have to endure ignorance and downright hate and bias and hostility from the media and public and we have to try to spread the truth against many lies those are out there. Incredible.

My heart breaks for Michael - if it's so difficult for us, how difficult was it for him? I can't even imagine the pain. And I'm too in pain right now. But what it was like for him? Can't imagine.

I don't know why is this world so evil towards this guy. I really don't. They simply don't consider him a human being.

But yeah, no matter how frustrating it is, I keep on fighting for him too. He was such a wonderful person, he deserves my love and everything I can maybe do for him. It's just heartbreaking that he's always under attack. :cry:
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

I agree 100%. If Mac ever makes allegations I will have a major crisis on my hands.
Although I owned BAD and Dangerous (loved that one!) I wasn't a die hard fan in '93 and I don't remember the time the allegations were made. I do remember from about '94 onwards when references were made to the allegations in the lead up to the HIStory album. As a MASSIVE MJ fan from about '95 onward I (as for all MJ fans) have had to put up with a lot, but I'm still here. BUT If I thought MJ was guilty I couldn't continue being a fan, and I think allegations from Mac would spell the end to be honest.


In an effort to remain positive about the current situation I have to say that I have been pleasantly surprised that most media outlets appear to be providing a balanced view of the situation, pointing out that Wade has previously defended MJ in court. Also, most of the reader comments on the pages I have visited have been criticising Wade's claims. Even those who think MJ is guilty are attacking Wade.
I don't think the BBC news in the UK has covered this in their TV reports. If they have, I haven't seen it. The allegation certainly hasn't been posted on their Android news app.
Sky news in the UK ignored the story the first day and added it to their Android app yesterday, which is a shame.
I don't read UK newspapers but as many of them have the story on their websites they will have put something in the 'rag'. I visited The Sun website yesterday after work and I had a job to find the story on the site. It wasn't on their homepage and it was buried on the showbiz news page so they're not making a big thing of it.
When I do a search for 'Michael Jackson' on Google news, the stories are overwhelmingly about the AEG trial which is good. Of course I think it representatives from both Wade and the MJ Estate of gone quiet now and it's likely to flare up again should there be any new developments but for now this is nowhere near as bad as '93 or '03. It's not the same witch hunt as it was on those occasions. Is it because MJ is dead now? Is it because Wade's claims are tarnished because of his prior testimony and interviews? Is it because of the AEG case? I don't know, but I'll keep my fingers crossed it doesn't get worse.
Mac isn't going to lie on MJ like Wade.
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

They had no problems to make a public statement against the estate.
They have no problem to make a statement denying slapping Paris and threatening TMZ that they will sue TMZ for slanderous claims.
That to me translates like Michael's estate and monies are worthy of protecting and fighting for, but not his his legacy and reputation.
They have no problems to defend themselves on public or in media, but they WILL NOT stand up for Michael.
They are the the ones that put the ball rolling, but they do nothing to stop it or helping Mike.
As long as there is money, like any other oppurtunists, they too use any ways to get it, never mind who gets thown under the bus on way. They think that Wade Robson is just a by-product of the trial, nothing more and what he says doesn't matter, but it does matter in the long run as Michael's reputation is on the line, and seemingly it wont stop until they run Michael's reputation/legacy to the ground.

Then again, nothing matters to them if they win the case against AEG, and they have money to live their lives as they please and don't have to depend on Michael's estate.
I disagree. I see no point of the Jacksons making this claim any bigger. Right now, not too many outlets are not talking about it. I was surprise that Foxnews did not talk about it as a topic.
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

Well I'll say this, If Mr. Robson is not in hiding yet, he soon will be, that's for sure.

In my internet travels today, one thing I notice is that the majority of folks I have come across, are not buying this story. And I'm not talking about just MJ fans, I'm talking about the "general" public who post comments on the various news sites I visit daily.

I guess Wade also repressed the memory of all those "praising Michael" interviews he has done.

P.S. I love Michael Jackson fans. When it comes to gathering information, we are the best!
Many outlets are not even talking about it. Most people I do not think know and I do not think they care. As I have said, people are going to love Michael or they are going to hate him. People who love him are going to still love him. People are not stupid.
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

In my internet travels today, one thing I notice is that the majority of folks I have come across, are not buying this story. And I'm not talking about just MJ fans, I'm talking about the "general" public who post comments on the various news sites I visit daily.

I was searching some info about Wade and stumpled on Britney S fan board. Somebody there was talking about wanting Wade R to be on Britneys tour choreographer, but majority (98%) of replies were no way because they don't want Wade to say anything about Britney in a future, in case he gets another bout of repressed memory :)
As I said earlier, now he comes with package and artists aren't that stupid to hire him. His career is over as he has a risk factor.
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

I know, it's very frustrating. I'd love it if being an MJ fan would be just as nice and easy as being a fan of any other artist. Just talking about his music, videos, concerts, image, his sexiness etc. But we have to become experts in court cases and legal proceedings and what not. All the time. And we have to endure ignorance and downright hate and bias and hostility from the media and public and we have to try to spread the truth against many lies those are out there. Incredible.

My heart breaks for Michael - if it's so difficult for us, how difficult was it for him? I can't even imagine the pain. And I'm too in pain right now. But what it was like for him? Can't imagine.

I don't know why is this world so evil towards this guy. I really don't. They simply don't consider him a human being.

But yeah, no matter how frustrating it is, I keep on fighting for him too. He was such a wonderful person, he deserves my love and everything I can maybe do for him. It's just heartbreaking that he's always under attack. :cry:
Michael was too nice. He was the biggest artist in the world. His name sells. He was exciting. he was magic. he had charisma. All of this is the reason why people go after him.
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

I was searching some info about Wade and stumpled on Britney S fan board. Somebody there was talking about wanting Wade R to be on Britneys tour choreographer, but majority (98%) of replies were no way because they don't want Wade to say anything about Britney in a future, in case he gets another bout of repressed memory :)
As I said earlier, now he comes with package and artists aren't that stupid to hire him. His career is over as he has a risk factor.
Lionel Richie has even attacked Wade. It is clear why Wade is doing this. $$$$$
 
Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

So upset by this..... Problem is even if the courts throw it out, his next move will be to sell his story to any media willing to pay.
I do not know. The media will attack him hard. SOme may not even want him.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

Michael has the biggest defender on his side as well. That is GOD. I will stay in prayer and let GOD handle Wade and others. God can do more.
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

I can't believe we're back here... after all this time, after all the bullshit we've already had to deal with over the years, we're back in this shit hole and Michael isn't even here anymore.

I'd stayed away from the boards for so long, but couldn't just pass this, can't even even beggin to describe how I feel... again
Me too. And I said, "what is going to happen in 2013 for MJ". It seem like every year ending in 3 there is something great or worst that happen to MJ.
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

I can't believe we're back here... after all this time, after all the bullshit we've already had to deal with over the years, we're back in this shit hole and Michael isn't even here anymore.

I'd stayed away from the boards for so long, but couldn't just pass this, can't even even beggin to describe how I feel... again
Me neither. I've just started to come back to the forums only to once again have to face all this CR*P.

Back then, all those years I was ready to fight, and I did, claws ready to lash out at anyone who dared to attack Michael.
But now I just don't have any fight left in me.

I try to follow what's going on, take part in discussions to try and make sense of it all, but now that Michael's gone I've noticed I actually can't do it anymore. My strength is gone.

Sending hugs to everyone who needs 'em. :better:
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

I don't know guys. I have a really bad feeling about this one. I don't believe for a minute this happened, to much lapse in time and such but... The idea MJ has been accused before does not bold well for MJ legacy in the future. So many people have been on the fence about prior allegations. I think in death people forgot and gave MJ the benefit of doubt. But how many times can this come up without serious repercussion to his image. We can speculate all we want I believe it makes it worst for all of us. It's time to just sit back and see what happens. Hopefully this to shall pass but how many times can we say that. **** Wade and Murray and AEG. Same goes to the Jackson for that matter. This trail is doing nothing so far to help anything. AEG is fighting for its life even tho MJ lost his. Hang in there all. MJ is watching over us all. I'm going to take a break from here for as long as I can it's to emotional right now and I may say things that offend some people.
I disagree. People will question "WHY NOW". MOST people are not dumb to this kind of thing. Yes, haters will enjoy it but haters are going to say stuff no matter what. Billions are at stake now and here is a guy who DEFENED MJ TWICE on stand and from the time he was young until NOW and going after money. Please, I give more people more credit than this. Look when MJ was alive, MJ shows SOLD OUT and was in high demand even in Thriller25 sold great and even after death, MJ sold out cd store and online. If people though MJ was a real child abuser, they would NOT have brought ANYTHING not even in death about him. THat means people LOVED MJ and AEG knew it and they pushed him.
 
Re: [Confirmed ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate Pg16 -#230 /Wades Atty Pg 28 -#

Omer wasn't brought on the stand because no one ever claimed anything about him. However about Wade Blanca Francia claimed she saw them in the shower nude (well, kind of - because she went back and forth on what she actually saw, and eventually admitted she only saw one figure in the shower). But I agree that even with that allegation Wade would not have been brought if MJ had molested him. That would have made him a very risky witness. He could have broken down on the stand and confessed everything.

Someone who apparently knows Wade tweeted yesterday that MJ begged Wade to testify in 2005. Apparently this person tweeted it with the suggestion that it reflects badly on MJ, but I think on the contrary. For the reason we discussed above. If he wanted Wade desperately on the stand he must have been sure of him.
No this does NOT reflect badly on MJ. If someone abused me. there is NO way I am going to testify for them. And if that is the case, Wade would have broke down under cross examine just like the liars on the DA side did.
 
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