[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[Bubs]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

My apologies if this has already been posted


Jermaine Jackson shocked over nephew's molestation claims

Jermaine Jackson couldn't BELIEVE it when he heard his nephew Taj's claims that a family member had molested him as a child -- telling TMZ, "I've never heard that. I've never ever heard that."

As we reported, Taj Jackson -- one of Tito's sons -- made the announcement on Twitter today, claiming an uncle on his mother's side of the family sexually abused him as a child ... and Michael Jackson counseled him through the trauma.

Taj says he made the announcement in an attempt to discredit Wade Robson's abuse allegations against MJ, claiming, "That is how I KNOW Wade is lying. Because I AM a survivor."

Taj added, MJ "was a support system for me and my mom" during the abuse ordeal.

Taj believes Wade is making up stories about MJ in order to score a payday from the Jackson estate.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/16/jerma...hocked-molestation-wade-robson/#ixzz2TYODfCy5

Couldn't Jermaine for once keep his mouth shut:angry:
With his statement, he makes TAJ sound like he made it up his tweets about him being molested by family member, and he made it up to protect Michael.

 

[Pimboli]

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Couldn't Jermaine for once keep his mouth shut:angry:
With his statement, he makes TAJ sound like he made it up his tweeta about him being molested by family member, and he made it up to protect Michael.

i agree. How bout a "i support him in this trying time" instead of a "WHAAAA?"
think before you talk, Jerms

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Guys you see, this mess is going to be turned into something to benefit Michael after all--lots feel he is lying, so they will question the prior ones.

I wonder which books Wade read to get his ideas. I was waiting for the interviewer to ask him about the stories he read when Wade made that comment about abused children, but Laurer never did a follow up question & was only interested in sticking to his preset questions. Wade should be interviewed by one of us. That would be something!!

^^I don't think Jermaine made it seem his nephew made it up. I think people would believe that with something like that not all the family members know. In fact, this is still a hush, hush disclosure in the family. Only the relevant few know. I know we are on Paranoid Alert, but this time I see nothing in his statement that would backfire. So far Taj has gotten great comments from people showing their support even from one of the tv programs ^^.

 

[Justthefacts]

People who praise Wade for coming forward need to shut up and you know why? Where was his &#8220;truth&#8221; when it mattered when he was on the witness stand when he had a chance to put a pedophile in jail. How can he say Michael abused many kids when you sat your ass on the stand and let him get away with it? You had the chance to stop it but you did not. It is so easy to be brave now that the guy is dead and you want money. But when it counted you lied <o></o>
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[terrell]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Guys you see, this mess is going to be turned into something to benefit Michael after all--lots feel he is lying, so they will question the prior ones.

I wonder which books Wade read to get his ideas. I was waiting for the interviewer to ask him about the stories he read when Wade made that comment about abused children, but Laurer never did a follow up question & was only interested in sticking to his preset questions. Wade should be interviewed by one of us. That would be something!!

He wont go on Bill Oreilly. Bill is not even talking about it.

 

[terrell]

People who praise Wade for coming forward need to shut up and you know why? Where was his &#8220;truth&#8221; when it mattered when he was on the witness stand when he had a chance to put a pedophile in jail. How can he say Michael abused many kids when you sat your ass on the stand and let him get away with it? You had the chance to stop it but you did not. It is so easy to be brave now that the guy is dead and you want money. But when it counted you lied <o></o>
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And Again, he praised Jackson even AFTER death.

 

[michaeljackson&lisamarie]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

my heart has been broken every since this story broke. It kills me that even in Michael's death nasty people are still making up LIES about for MONEY. I am so sick of this crap. I just hope the kids aren't being bullied in school over these lies about their father. all I can do is just pray for Michael and his entire family. I pray that God makes alright, I really do.

 

[Bubs]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayte_Garcia

D-list dancer, actress, singer and choreographer. Better known for being the ex-wife of Prince.

She worked with Britney Spears, so it's likely she worked with Wade Robson too.

Prince board they say Prince left her because she was screwing someone which turned Wade. There are articles about them dating.
He seems to have a habit of going for women that can help him claim up to social ladder, typical user.

 

[terrell]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Guys you see, this mess is going to be turned into something to benefit Michael after all--lots feel he is lying, so they will question the prior ones.

I wonder which books Wade read to get his ideas. I was waiting for the interviewer to ask him about the stories he read when Wade made that comment about abused children, but Laurer never did a follow up question & was only interested in sticking to his preset questions. Wade should be interviewed by one of us. That would be something!!

I agree. As usuall, it is the STING of this being done to MJ that send people in a spin. Once mess cool down and common sense kick in (not haters, They are going to believe MJ is guilty even if GOD comes down and say MJ was innocent. I can careless about those kind of people. We all have haters of some kind. There are some people hating on Beyouce now and they continue to believe she was never pregnat. And haters of President Obama believe he is muslim and not a UNited state citizen still even though there is a birth certificate that say he is a citizen) things will go back to normal. Really I do not think the average person care about this. I think because we are MJ fans we are going to take it more harder than anyone else.

 

[terrell]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Prince board they say Prince left her because she was screwing someone which turned Wade. There are articles about them dating.
He seems to have a habit of going for women that can help him claim up to social ladder, typical user.

Well, then who cares what she thinks. Steve harvey knows Wade on Steve in on MJ side. Ray J, Omarion, and many others.

 

[terrell]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Couldn't Jermaine for once keep his mouth shut:angry:
With his statement, he makes TAJ sound like he made it up his tweeta about him being molested by family member, and he made it up to protect Michael.

No, this was said back in the 2005 case. someone talked about it happening to Taj. Now Taj is admitting it.

 

[Diplomate]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

he's probably wishing there was a hot air balloon he could escape in :busted:

:rofl:

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Guys, I see we have a lot of information on what Wade said in 09 when Michael died, etc., but remember according to Wade's head he only UNDERSTOOD that what Michael did to him was molestation in either 2 years ago, when his kid was 18 months, or last year March, so showing what he did prior to 2011 is not as strong as showing what he did from 2011 onwards. I know, I know, Wade made it up. However, if we show all the tributes, words, actions he did before he UNDERSTOOD, he could say they do not count because he was still in his DON'T UNDERSTAND mode. You see his head works different from most people.

More people will call him a liar if we show him still praising Michal or doing a Michael oriented project/activity, or looking happy/joyful during the period in which he UNDERSTOOD, which is roughly from 2011 onwards. Remember this is a period of shame, disgrace, collapsing when he should have been avoiding anything that reminds him of Michael.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Couldn't Jermaine for once keep his mouth shut:angry:
With his statement, he makes TAJ sound like he made it up his tweets about him being molested by family member, and he made it up to protect Michael.

I defend Jermaine on this because the TMZ reporter was trying to be slick, they said Taj said he'd been molested by "a family member", it made it seem like Taj was saying MJ had molested him or one of the Jacksons. The TMZ reporter obviously wanted to get Jermaine to act like it was MJ who had molested him. So I can understand why his instant reaction would be to not give TMZ anything.

But didn't we learn that most of the time Michael was not there, & Joy did say 4 times, so wouldn't the times they went when Michal was not there be included in the times Joy is talking about?

Thechosenone ^better late than never. Maybe he discovered he was a fool? who knows.....

Respect what would be good too is a sequenced list of all his inconsistencies, eg., being in a collapse due to the allegations & then seeing him on a video, so that we have it to post to others or to place under articles. We really need to show what he was doing or said from 2012, because according to him & his lawyer & sister, he realized he was molested either 18 months ago, or when his kid was born, or last year March.

Right, but the 20 times could be the tabloid saying all the times they visited Neverland without MJ being there. Also Wade visited alone with friends, etc

Did he say 18 months ago he realized?



^ I think they still do count though, if he'd always known and been conscious about it then it shows he's a very confused mixed up person and also shows that without MJ here to coach him he seemed to be just fine winging these praises off by himself.

It reminds me of how the Arvizo's claimed that Moslehi interview was scripted but then on the stand admitted they would have said nice things about MJ anyway as they thought he was a good guy at that point, and it also showed how hard it was for juror's to see when they were telling the truth and when they were lying - if they were so convincing in this supposedly "scripted" interview, then how could they be trustworthy right then?

 

[Bubs]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

No, this was said back in the 2005 case. someone talked about it happening to Taj. Now Taj is admitting it.

Well, it doesn't look good if Jermaine goes on tabloids saying that this is first time he hears that TAJ has been molested, espeacially if it was talked already during 2005 case.
He makes people to think that TAJ made it up.

 

[Pimboli]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Guys, I see we have a lot of information on what Wade said in 09 when Michael died, etc., but remember according to Wade's head he only UNDERSTOOD that what Michael did to him was molestation in either 2 years ago, when his kid was 18 months, or last year March, so showing what he did prior to 2011 is not as strong as showing what he did from 2011 onwards. I know, I know, Wade made it up. However, if we show all the tributes, words, actions he did before he UNDERSTOOD, he could say they do not count because he was still in his DON'T UNDERSTAND mode. You see his head works different from most people.

yup.
Would love to witness him being grilled about why looking at his 18 month old son suddenly made him realize that engaging in sexual stuff with a grown man is wrong? My 9 year old daughter knows that already, because i've told her... And Wade has been asked this question ad nausea since 1993. So what was it that suddenly clicked in his mind and made him go "hey, being naked with an adult is not ok"....? He's an adult, and he was an adult when he testified in 05. Surely one is to expect an adult to know right from wrong?

 

[HIStory]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Respect what would be good too is a sequenced list of all his inconsistencies, eg., being in a collapse due to the allegations & then seeing him on a video, so that we have it to post to others or to place under articles. We really need to show what he was doing or said from 2012, because according to him & his lawyer & sister, he realized he was molested either 18 months ago, or when his kid was born, or last year March.

I think we should wait with that until we know what exactly his lawsuit say about the dates.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Intresting re taj. i guess that note that mj wrote to dee dee about abusers being in the family. the on dimond got excited over was about what hap to taj.

joy said they were only with mj four times at the ranch in 14 years

 

[Themidwestcowboy]

Terrell, I can't call him, but here is some info you can post to him about Wade:

Here is an article about Wade’s mother celebrating the “not guilty” verdict in 2005: http://www.theage.com.au/news/Peopl...ns-defence-case/2005/06/14/1118645780742.html


"We were crying and screaming and crying and screaming.''


Here is what Wade Robson wrote on his website right after Michael’s death: http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/jacksons-australian-confidant-speaks-out-20090627-d0bu.html

"Michael Jackson changed the world and, more personally, my life forever. He is the reason I dance, the reason I make music, and one of the main reasons I believe in the pure goodness of human kind. He has been a close friend of mine for 20 years. His music, his movement, his personal words of inspiration and encouragement and his unconditional love will live inside of me forever. I will miss him immeasurably, but I know that he is now at peace and enchanting the heavens with a melody and a moonwalk. I love you Michael."


He wrote this introduction to the MJ Opus book in 2009:


"I used to talk to Michael for three hours a day. I never really worked out how he came to find so much time because he seemed so busy, but he would ring me and we would talk and talk and talk. When he got a cell phone he would call and text all the time.It was part of an amazing friendship that lasted for 20 years.
I had first met Michael when he was kicking off his bad tour in 1987. I was five, but Michaels company were holding a dance competition in every country and i entered the one in Brisbane. I remember being a kid and dancing to his video- the first iever say was “Thriller” when I was two. It was my mum’s tape and I just went nuts over it. I used to run into the kitchen scared everytime the wereworlf came on. By the time i was three i had pretty much learned its entire choreoghraphy.
I ended up winning the dance competition. We went to see Michael in Brisbane and at a meet and greet i was introduced to him. I remember wearing a custome made outfit from “Bad”- my mum’s belt was wrapped around me, like five times. Michael was impresssed and asked me if I had danced. I told him that I did and he said ” Do you want to perform with me in the show tomorrow night?”
I couldn’t believe it. He was due to play brisbane the next night. His idea was for me to come out for the last song of the show which was “Bad”. He was bringing on some orphaned children so he figured it would be cool to bring me out in the full “Bad” outfit. At the end of the song we were all onstage- Stevie Wonder was there too and Michael came on and said “Come on”. | took it as him meaning “Get into it!”.I moved downstage and threw my hat into the crowd and started going crazy. When i turned around Michael was saying goodbye to the crowd, the other kids were gone and Stevie Wonder was being escorted off. What he meant was “Come on lets go, It’s over”.
When I realised, I ran off. After my mum and I spent two hours with Michael into his hotel and we became friends. He showed us clips from the new Moonwalker he was working on and we talked and talked. We didn’t really stay in contact but i joined a dance company- literally the next day and two years later i was in America to play at Disneyland. I got in touch with Michael through his people, he remembered me. Me and my family went to Record one studio where he was mixing the dangerous album.I showed him some of my dance videos and he said to me. “Do you and your family want to come to Neverland tonight”? We all agreed and ended up staying for two weeks.
Our friendship blossomed. For two weeks he’d take me into his dance studio, put some music on and we’d dance and jam for hours.We’d sit there and watch films like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.Other time we’d just leave Neverland and drive out in a car, blasting music really loud.
He even taught me how to do the moonwalk.We were in his dance studip. He taught me foot by foot. I couldn’t sleep that whole night. The thrill of pushing off the bar and sliding backwards in a moonwalk with the guy that made it famous was so exciting.
Later, me and my mym wanted to move to America to pursue my dreams of becoming a dancer and he helped us out. He gave me a big start by putting me in some of his videos like “Black or White”. The role he took on was one of a mentor. He told when I was seven that I’d be a film director and thats what I became, he created a thirst for knowledge in me.Once, a mini recording studio turned up on my doorstep, but what was cool was that he stopped me from becoming a spoiled brat. He would say “This is for you, but I want to see you do something with it. Dont take it for granted or I”ll take it back”. The last time I saw him was in July 2008. I was in Vegas working on a show and he was living there.Me, my wife and him and his three kids had a barbecue. It was the most normal thing in the world. Me and my wife had been to Whole foods and bought stuff to cook. But when we got there he’d provided loads of catering. I said “Dude, Why did you bring loads of catering? We’ve got regular food here”.I remember cooking outside while Michael sat there under an umbrella.
We had great times because he was such a caring person. Most of all I’ll miss those phone conversations. I still have my mobile phone with his number on it. I just cant bear the thoughts of deleting his messages.

Hope you all enjoy reading as much as I did.-Wade Robson, Introduction to Michael Jackson Opus”



In September 2009, in Dance Magazine:

"Wade Robson, choreographer
Michael’s movement was this amazing amalgamation of all his influences, filtered through this beast of a dancer. His lines were so dynamic. He understood the strength of simple movement delivered with incredible precision and energy. An invert of the legs and an extension of the arm were so much more powerful than 15 pirouettes. His energy shot up from the earth. God danced through him.

I remember the first time he taught me the moonwalk at the dance studio at Neverland. I was 7, I think. I remember standing at the ballet barre and him teaching me to push back one foot at a time, teaching me the weight distribution on the balls of the feet. “Now just go, push off, and fly!” he said. That night I couldn’t sleep. I had to get up every 15 minutes and do it again.

I learned altruism from him. In the entertainment industry, it’s easy to get jaded. Despite all of the madness he went through, he had such an innocence. He trusted people, and in his heart, believed in them."

How can he sleep at night?

 

[innuendo141]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How can he sleep at night?

Haha. What has he done to himself!?!

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Guys, I see we have a lot of information on what Wade said in 09 when Michael died, etc., but remember according to Wade's head he only UNDERSTOOD that what Michael did to him was molestation in either 2 years ago, when his kid was 18 months, or last year March, so showing what he did prior to 2011 is not as strong as showing what he did from 2011 onwards. I know, I know, Wade made it up. However, if we show all the tributes, words, actions he did before he UNDERSTOOD, he could say they do not count because he was still in his DON'T UNDERSTAND mode. You see his head works different from most people.

Ain't nobody gonna fall for that. LOL!

Two years ago, he was what, 28 years old, and had gone through several rounds with Michael's legal issues. Interviewed during the Chandler era. Interviewed by various media outlets. Interviewed by TMez as a defense witness. A very harsh cross-examination by Ron Zonen. Yet he STILL thinks folks will believe he remembered everything but at the time didn't understand it was abuse. A GROWN MAN, who remembered everything but didn't understand it was abuse. PLEASE!

He was better off going the "repressed memory" route. As far as I'm concerned (and apparently many others), he messed up with his "I remember everything" interview.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He also got married at nevvy if i remember right.

Me neither - but again, IF he ever makes a claim, (IMO) it'll loose a lot of credibility because he didnt join in back in 05. How do you explain and reason not doing so IF you have a legitimate claim?

 

[Annita]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Joe Vogel ?@JoeVogel1 3h

Article coming soon on the Wade Robson allegations...

 

[terrell]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I posted it that Wade was talking great about MJ at the Masters of Legends JULY 2012. It is on youtude. Someone on radar online had the site up and yes, Wade was on there talking about MJ.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Would love to witness him being grilled about why looking at his 18 month old son suddenly made him realize that engaging in sexual
stuff with a grown man is wrong?

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he should have stuck with the repressed memory its more belivable!! that is the most ridiculous theory/claim ever

 

[terrell]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ain't nobody gonna fall for that. LOL!

Two years ago, he was what, 28 years old, and had gone through several rounds with Michael's legal issues. Interviewed during the Chandler era. Interviewed by various media outlets. Interviewed by TMez as a defense witness. A very harsh cross-examination by Ron Zonen. Yet he STILL thinks folks will believe he remembered everything but at the time didn't understand it was abuse. A GROWN MAN, who remembered everything but didn't understand it was abuse. PLEASE!

He was better off going the "repressed memory" route. As far as I'm concerned (and apparently many others), he messed up with his "I remember everything" interview.

Someone on another site and CNN said the same thing you said. He was in his twenties.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Right, but the 20 times could be the tabloid saying all the times they visited Neverland without MJ being there. Also Wade visited alone with friends, etc

Did he say 18 months ago he realized?

Oh they do count. I am not against that, but I still stress that we need to show more of his Michael related activities when he was in the period in which he UNDERSTOOD the abuse, which could be from 2011 onwards. As I said ^^ if we show all his tributes in 09, in 05, 06, all the way to 2011, he could say he did not UNDERSTAND yet that he was abused. We need to show the inconsistency of him finally realizing he was molested and then being happy and involved in Michaeling. That would really get more people to see him as a liar. So both are needed, but his actions during the collapsed period is even more crucial.

About the 18 months, that is something I was asking last night. In his interview, which I looked at while this guy was doing the body language, so 2 people were talking at the same time, Wade mentions something about coming to awareness about 2 years ago when his son was born, then I heard him mention something about when his son was 18 months--there is some inconsistency there. His lawyer said March 2012. I will have to listen to a video without the body expert talking to catch the 2 things & see what it is all about.

 

[Pimboli]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think we should wait with that until we know what exactly his lawsuit say about the dates.

what about his wife? Has anyone researched if she has a twitter, FB or something else, that may reveal something?
According to wikipedia (i know, i know... not credible, lol):
In August 2005, Robson married fashion designer Amanda Rodriguez in her native Maui, Hawaii. Since then, the couple have united their creative talents and collaborated on numerous stage, television, and film projects. In November 2010, the couple welcomed their first child, son Koa. They live in Los Angeles.

 

[HIStory]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Guys, I see we have a lot of information on what Wade said in 09 when Michael died, etc., but remember according to Wade's head he only UNDERSTOOD that what Michael did to him was molestation in either 2 years ago, when his kid was 18 months, or last year March, so showing what he did prior to 2011 is not as strong as showing what he did from 2011 onwards. I know, I know, Wade made it up. However, if we show all the tributes, words, actions he did before he UNDERSTOOD, he could say they do not count because he was still in his DON'T UNDERSTAND mode. You see his head works different from most people.

More people will call him a liar if we show him still praising Michal or doing a Michael oriented project/activity, or looking happy/joyful during the period in which he UNDERSTOOD, which is roughly from 2011 onwards. Remember this is a period of shame, disgrace, collapsing when he should have been avoiding anything that reminds him of Michael.

As far as I understood so far they claim the breakdown happened in March 2012. We have that video that was uploaded on YT in July 2012, but a fan checked out the Twitter account of the journalist and it was recorded in the middle of March. So he can still say the breakdown happened in the second half of March.

Yes, it would be cool if we found something from after March, 2012, but I don't think it's bad if we don't. It's such a lame story that he only understood in March, 2012... Who believes that?

 

[terrell]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How can he sleep at night?

The same way some people kill people and bury the people. NO heart and greed and to destroy.