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Paris Jackson Rushed to Hospital After Possible Suicide Attempt

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respect77 said:
Let me quote what I actually replied to with asking "really?" It wasn't about the concert (and BTW if you don't believe that concert story then I don't know why you keep bringing that up and harping on it):
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Am I bringing it up? Or is it everyone else who are mis-quoting me? Because I'm pretty sure, that was my last comment in this thread before today, but yet everyone else including you, kept quoting it and telling me how wrong I am for saying what I did. It's not like I'm going to apologize, because I still stand by that view. And yes it is parenting, you may not agree with it, but it doesn't make anyone any less of a parent for disciplining a child in a way that differs from yours. This can almost go into the same debate that the world is currently having about parents disciplining they're children with spankings and those who find different means of discipline. You may not agree with it, but it doesn't mean it isn't parenting. Personally, I wouldn't let my child walk around with this sense of entitlement where they believe not being allowed to go to a concert is the most crucial violation in the world. I believe Michael raised his children better than that, which is why I don't believe that part is true. Simple. You may not agree with my view that that shouldn't be the thing that pushes a teenager over the edge to the point of suicide, but it doesn't make me wrong.
 
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In response to several postings by MichaelJackson&LisaMarie:

You continue to bring up Lisa's name in your posts. Lisa has nothing to do with Debbie or the children or the Jackson family. Here is a copy paste of a good summary regarding Debbie and Lisa from another poster, and hopefully we can move on from this.
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Lisa fans really amuse me. You guys hate Debbie Rowe because in your eyes she stopped your dream couple from reuniting and working things out and having the dream babies you hope they would have had but the fact remains that Lisa was back begging within months and Debbie Rowe miscarried her very first pregnancy and he could have taken Lisa back instead he proceeded to comfort Debbie and impregnate her for a second time with Lisa pleading by the side and even a third time with Lisa as a public mistress and guess what, when Debbie could not have any more kids he was upset about it. He did not say, "Oh I am done, she can't serve her purpose and Lisa is around anyway" instead he stayed married to Debbie and when she divorced him he still would not remarry Lisa.

It was MJ's decision, there was chance after chance to take Lisa back if he wanted that but he did not. Instead of you guys to call a spade a spade you sit down and push the blame to Debbie as if she forced MJ to take her offer. She was offering to give him kids even before Lisa ever came along and he had considered it in the past and he made the choice to accept it when he did. You are just trying to push as much blame off of your super couple to Debbie the villain all in the name of your fan fics. It is ridiculous, get over it, MJ picked Debbie over Lisa and that is that whether you like it or not. You act like MJ was pissed at Lisa and had a one night stand with Debbie who planned to get pregnant and that forced MJ to stay away from Lis because she tied him down with the pregnancy and that is not the case.
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Michael Jackson chose Debbie, so if one or all of the children choose to live with Debbie part of the time, all of the time, summer time or just visit, it's their choice, and it's disrespectful to verbally degrade Prince and Paris's Mother. It is a terrible slap in the face to MJ to throw verbal darts at the children's Mother. Paris received hateful tweets from Debbie haters, and she made it clear that she loves her Mother. Don't be part of Paris's problem or add to it.

 
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Joyce said:
In response to several postings by MichaelJackson&LisaMarie:

You continue to bring up Lisa's name in your posts. Lisa has nothing to do with Debbie or the children or the Jackson family. Here is a copy paste of a good summary regarding Debbie and Lisa from another poster, and hopefully we can move on from this.
>>>>>Originally Posted by (name of poster deleted by me)

Lisa fans really amuse me. You guys hate Debbie Rowe because in your eyes she stopped your dream couple from reuniting and working things out and having the dream babies you hope they would have had but the fact remains that Lisa was back begging within months and Debbie Rowe miscarried her very first pregnancy and he could have taken Lisa back instead he proceeded to comfort Debbie and impregnate her for a second time with Lisa pleading by the side and even a third time with Lisa as a public mistress and guess what, when Debbie could not have any more kids he was upset about it. He did not say, "Oh I am done, she can't serve her purpose and Lisa is around anyway" instead he stayed married to Debbie and when she divorced him he still would not remarry Lisa.

It was MJ's decision, there was chance after chance to take Lisa back if he wanted that but he did not. Instead of you guys to call a spade a spade you sit down and push the blame to Debbie as if she forced MJ to take her offer. She was offering to give him kids even before Lisa ever came along and he had considered it in the past and he made the choice to accept it when he did. You are just trying to push as much blame off of your super couple to Debbie the villain all in the name of your fan fics. It is ridiculous, get over it, MJ picked Debbie over Lisa and that is that whether you like it or not. You act like MJ was pissed at Lisa and had a one night stand with Debbie who planned to get pregnant and that forced MJ to stay away from Lis because she tied him down with the pregnancy and that is not the case.
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Michael Jackson chose Debbie, so if one or all of the children choose to live with Debbie part of the time, all of the time, summer time or just visit, it's their choice, and it's disrespectful to verbally degrade Prince and Paris's Mother. It is a terrible slap in the face to MJ to throw verbal darts at the children's Mother. Paris received hateful tweets from Debbie haters, and she made it clear that she loves her Mother. Don't be part of Paris's problem or add to it.

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I was just responding back to another poster who originally brought lisa up. I was originally discussing Debbie and another poster who disagreed with me (which is fine) brought lisa into the mix. so I was just responding back to that poster who brought up lisa and was direction their post at me.

I didn't mean to upset anyone. like I said I know it's a touchy subject for some and I didn't want to start a huge argument. but again I wasn' t the one who originally brought her up. I was just responding back to that poster who directed their posts to me.
 
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Let's not worry about Lisa since she has nothing to do with Paris. I hope Paris is getting better.
 
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I apologize if I came across as harsh. I worry so much that Paris might read negative comments about her Mother (once she is out of the hospital), that it might cause her confusion or depression. I know she will always have to listen to those who will forever bash her Father, and I don't want her to hurt anymore.
 
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The facts are Michael Jackson did not want Debbie Rowe to be a guardian of his children.
He specifically named only two people as potential guardians: Katherine Jackson and Diana Ross.

I believe the legal system should follow the instructions of Michael Jackson.
If Michael's mother, Katherine Jackson can no longer fulfill the duties of caretaker for Michael's children, then I believe the court should appoint Diana Ross as the legal guardian of Prince, Paris, and Blanket Jackson. :girl_curtsey:

 
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Joyce said:
I apologize if I came across as harsh. I worry so much that Paris might read negative comments about her Mother (once she is out of the hospital), that it might cause her confusion or depression. I know she will always have to listen to those who will forever bash her Father, and I don't want her to hurt anymore.
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It's all good. we all want paris to pull through this stronger than ever and live a happy, healthy, successful life. her brothers too. that's what Michael would want.
 
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I haven't seen the last several pages so forgive me if this was already brought up, but I was getting groceries earlier and the damn National Enquirer has Paris all over the front page. We've had to turn those crap-ass tabloid rags around to face them the other way when they say nasty stuff about Michael, and NOW we have to do it when they spew crap about his kids!!! Things like this with the piece of sh*t tabloid rag aren't going to help her get better!!
 
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I'm kinda with Cherubim on this... I'm fine with Paris still visiting Debbie and I'm sure Debbie probably would be alright with that arrangement too.
 
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What should happen next needs to be for Paris to decide!!
 
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paris is still a minor though. so I don't if they will let her have the final say.
 
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Some Debbie haters are saying the ones who support her wants her as the new guardian. I can't speak for everyone here but I never said that, I said Diana Ross should step in since she's the second person Michael chose as guardian of his children but what it pisses me off is that some of those haters are bashing Paris' visits with her mother when it was HER decision reaching out HER MOTHER.

As for LMP She was the one who lied to Michael having kids with him and never kept that promise. Debbie gave him 2 beautiful children.
When they got divorced she was the one who continuously bashed him in the media every she had the chance. When Debbie has spoken about Michael, she's defended him.
Michael probably saw as betrayal Debbie wanted to recuperate her parental rights but LM wasn't even able to defend him from those horrible allegations, she spread more rumors about his alledged "drug addiction" and Debbie at least has adamantly defended and praised him as a father.

Seriously, how can she have supporters/fans after all she's done to Michael even before (months before) and after his passing? :ninja: :doh:
 
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I just find it amazing how no one is going after her guardians. Like no one thinks it's odd how the guardians weren't doing anything about the bullying and the constant threats on twitter. Or all the unnecessary and pointless public appearances. Like I always said, it always seemed like the adults around her were setting her and her brothers up to be attacked. Remember in beginning Latoya promoted that Paris was on twitter. I just wish someone with some balls would publicly call the family out on this. Instead all we get is this talk of the famly wanting to "honor" MJ's wishes.:smilerolleyes:


Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
Seriously, how can she have supporters/fans after all she's done to Michael even before (months before) and after his passing? :ninja: :doh:
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Who cares. If some like her, they like her. As long as no one is promoting her "wonderfulness" on the forums, what does it matter if some choose to like her? To be honest, i'll take fans who say loudly they like her vs these fans that bash her, but are on the lookout for anything that she does.
 
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troubleman84 said:
I'm kinda with Cherubim on this... I'm fine with Paris still visiting Debbie and I'm sure Debbie probably would be alright with that arrangement too.
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So am I. Michael made guardianship clear and consistent--Branca said he named the same guardians in his earlier Will, too. Diana Ross said in a statement right after MJ died that she is willing to help and step up, if needed. Debbie Rowe has always said she didn't want to be a mom.

The court will decide on guardianship (if they determine a change needs to be made) and Judge Beckloff will consider Michael's Will and the wishes of Paris, because of her age. I doubt the court will split up the kids--at least, I hope not. I pray they do what's best for Paris & her brothers and that Diana Ross takes the parenting reins.
 
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BeautifulMJ said:
I haven't seen the last several pages so forgive me if this was already brought up, but I was getting groceries earlier and the damn National Enquirer has Paris all over the front page. We've had to turn those crap-ass tabloid rags around to face them the other way when they say nasty stuff about Michael, and NOW we have to do it when they spew crap about his kids!!! Things like this with the piece of sh*t tabloid rag aren't going to help her get better!!
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Yeah I've been seeing this all over the tabloid magazines as well when I was at the newsagents last Friday I just could not believe it. such a shame this is happening! I really wish the tabs could leave her alone :no:
 
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I guess its because of the other posters username
 
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Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
Some Debbie haters are saying the ones who support her wants her as the new guardian. I can't speak for everyone here but I never said that, I said Diana Ross should step in since she's the second person Michael chose as guardian of his children but what it pisses me off is that some of those haters are bashing Paris' visits with her mother when it was HER decision reaching out HER MOTHER.
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Why does every criticism of Debbie have to be called "hating" now and those who voice scepticism about Debbie called "haters"?

I think some of the concerns about her are very legitimate. The things those worry me about her:

- Her friendship with Marc Schaffel. I don't have to repeat all the horrible things that person said about Michael. He's shady, he is an opportunist, he wants Michael's money. He accused Michael of being a child molester. And actually he made insinuations about that as recently as in Sullivan's book. One of that book's main sources was Schaffel and he told lies in that book about Michael. (If Sullivan was half of the investigative reporter he believes himself to be he could have easily spotted those lies, but unfortunately he isn't a good journalist, so he just went along with them.) Why does Debbie need such a person in her life? I don't get it. If that person hang around Michael's kids that would be shameful.
- The fact that stories and pics seem to get leaked to the tabloids from Debbie's side (as well as the Jacksons').
- Her publicizing of her bonding with Paris on social media. Maybe I'm just too old fashioned, but I don't see why it's needed, especially in the case of a kid whose every move is followed and reported by the tabloid media.
- While Debbie never trashed Michael in public interviews she did things in the past which at least makes me distrustful of her.

So yes, I have my reservations about her. That doesn't make me a "hater". And it has nothing to do with LMP (I agree that LMP isn't a saint either, to say the least, but that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread), it has all to do with Debbie herself and some of her choices and actions.

Maybe I'm wrong about her. Heck, I HOPE I'm wrong and her intentions towards Paris are 100% pure. Paris would deserve nothing less. And yes, it's only natural that she wants a bond with her mom. I have no problem with that. But I can't say I trust her 100%.

And BTW, if the reports are true about Prince wanting nothing to do with Debbie does that make him a "hater" too?
 
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I agree respect i have the same reservations. especially when it comes to schaffel. but i guess i cant see her doing what the j.sons have done interms of the exploitation. i think we could worry about pretty much everyone and thats why paris is in the situation she is in now
 
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michaeljackson&lisamarie said:
I was just responding back to another poster who originally brought lisa up. I was originally discussing Debbie and another poster who disagreed with me (which is fine) brought lisa into the mix. so I was just responding back to that poster who brought up lisa and was direction their post at me.

I didn't mean to upset anyone. like I said I know it's a touchy subject for some and I didn't want to start a huge argument. but again I wasn' t the one who originally brought her up. I was just responding back to that poster who directed their posts to me.
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Yeah, it was me who brought her up. I shouldn't have, but seeing what your username was I couldn't help myself as over the years I've grown sick and tired of LMP supporters trash talking Debbie (I don't know if you are one of those people, have only seen a few of your posts on here) and so I posted that line about LMP.

This thread is however not for that and I apologise for bringing it up, it was done in the heat of the moment. Sorry about that. I won't bring her up in this thread again.

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Also, like I have said before I don't think Debbie is perfect either, but I do think some of the things I see being said about her in this thread is extreme and over the top, especially the part about her being a media whore. I can't even take a comment like that seriously.
Paris reached out to Debbie and Debbie welcomed her. Would you rather Debbie had rejected Paris? Can you imagine the heartbreak that would've caused Paris? Debbie has made mistakes (Marc Schaeffel, the costudy thing during the trial etc) but she she ALWAYS defended MJ unlike 95% of the other people who were ever in his life and I do believe she truly loved and cared for him, just like I truly believe she does love the children.
If she is not the childrens guardian then I hope they can at least continue to visit and maybe also spend summer vacations with her etc. It can only be good for the kids to have an adult outside of the Jackson family to turn to for support. And like it was mentioned before no one can do a worse job with these kids than what the Jacksons are already doing, that's why I see Debbie as a positive in all of this.

As for the people who keep saying Diana Ross should have costudy, well for whatever reason Diana doesn't want it. So to keep bringing her up doesn't make much sense to me. If the children don't go with Debbie they're stuck with the Jacksons and I seriously fear for their well being around them and I think I have all the reason in the world to do so.
 
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Btw, is Paris still at the hospital? She didn't go to Taj's wedding yesterday I assume?
 
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Well it is friday morning in usa maybe during the day the will let her out
 
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Saturday morning in the USA
 
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I wish MJ had consulted with Diana Ross about being a possible guardian for his children, but I guess he didn't, and it seems that she doesn't want them. I do believe that Paris felt that she had to be strong when MJ died, and it is very possible that she hasn't gone through the grieving process. I hope we hear soon how Paris is doing.
 
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Question: What about her best friend? We don't hear about her much anymore. I can't think of her name, but Paris brought her into her Oprah interview. They were really tight. Does anyone know if that's still the case? Paris could really use a trusting friend now.
 
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gerryevans said:
Question: What about her best friend? We don't hear about her much anymore. I can't think of her name, but Paris brought her into her Oprah interview. They were really tight. Does anyone know if that's still the case? Paris could really use a trusting friend now.
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I think her name was Michela
 
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ScaredOfTheMoon said:
Yeah, it was me who brought her up. I shouldn't have, but seeing what your username was I couldn't help myself as over the years I've grown sick and tired of LMP supporters trash talking Debbie (I don't know if you are one of those people, have only seen a few of your posts on here) and so I posted that line about LMP.

This thread is however not for that and I apologise for bringing it up, it was done in the heat of the moment. Sorry about that. I won't bring her up in this thread again.

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Also, like I have said before I don't think Debbie is perfect either, but I do think some of the things I see being said about her in this thread is extreme and over the top, especially the part about her being a media whore. I can't even take a comment like that seriously.
Paris reached out to Debbie and Debbie welcomed her. Would you rather Debbie had rejected Paris? Can you imagine the heartbreak that would've caused Paris? Debbie has made mistakes (Marc Schaeffel, the costudy thing during the trial etc) but she she ALWAYS defended MJ unlike 95% of the other people who were ever in his life and I do believe she truly loved and cared for him, just like I truly believe she does love the children.
If she is not the childrens guardian then I hope they can at least continue to visit and maybe also spend summer vacations with her etc. It can only be good for the kids to have an adult outside of the Jackson family to turn to for support. And like it was mentioned before no one can do a worse job with these kids than what the Jacksons are already doing, that's why I see Debbie as a positive in all of this.

As for the people who keep saying Diana Ross should have costudy, well for whatever reason Diana doesn't want it. So to keep bringing her up doesn't make much sense to me. If the children don't go with Debbie they're stuck with the Jacksons and I seriously fear for their well being around them and I think I have all the reason in the world to do so.
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It's fine, everythings good with us. It's all in the past now.
 
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gerryevans said:
Question: What about her best friend? We don't hear about her much anymore. I can't think of her name, but Paris brought her into her Oprah interview. They were really tight. Does anyone know if that's still the case? Paris could really use a trusting friend now.
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great question, I was wondering about her too.
 
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BeautifulMJ said:
I haven't seen the last several pages so forgive me if this was already brought up, but I was getting groceries earlier and the damn National Enquirer has Paris all over the front page. We've had to turn those crap-ass tabloid rags around to face them the other way when they say nasty stuff about Michael, and NOW we have to do it when they spew crap about his kids!!! Things like this with the piece of sh*t tabloid rag aren't going to help her get better!!
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Joe Jackson has talked about Michael Jackson laughing all the way to the bank, in reference to Joe's physical and emotional abuse, when Joe Jackson is asked about this topic.

That's what you hope Paris Jackson realizes this, too. That people who say negative things, in print or through the happy medium of television Interviews, about her father, Michael Jackson, are just doing things to profit from, even ex-wives.
 
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