Paris Jackson Rushed to Hospital After Possible Suicide Attempt

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I think you make an excellent point re/Katherine's style of parenting--I totally agree. I think she looks at Michael's kids as she did her own and "manages" them that way. It's all she knows. But, I also have to say, it doesn't excuse her from what I think is negligence in dealing with Paris' life-threatening health issue. That's where she is way off the rails or in denial or something. But, something is missing there and if she can't provide that nurturing, then I hope she can own up to that and do what's best for Paris and give up custody.

Yes, she should give up custody or have it taken away, which IMO should have been done by Beckloff back when KJ played Uno instead of taking care of PPB, but he did nothing except put TJ in there, which was another way really to bolster KJ and keep her in place. She gets all these labels--like 'matriarch'--that are laudatory, but she is a disgrace as a mother and a guardian. It's the elephant in the room.

I read a lot about dyfunctional families and abusive parents. A lot of this comes from learning bad parenting from their own parents--it is passed down through generations. MJ was very aware of bad parenting being a core societal problem that needed addressing on a global scale and he was constantly talking about children's issues to try and change the way children are raised. As he pointed out in speeches and in "The Lost Children" --why is there no "Children's Day"?? We have Mother's Day and Father's Day but why such resistance to having an International Children's Day? B/c children are still considered the possessions or property of parents/adults.

Abusive parents are often highly narcissistic--they have limited ability to empathize, to understand another's pain--to bring it back to KJ--she loves being regarded as a saint, as the matriarch. She will never IMO see how she contributed to MJ's pain or Paris's and I doubt she would voluntarily give up guardianship of any of the kids b/c she loves the power and $ and prestige. But I still hope she will--maybe she can be talked/pressured into it. It's better if she can be convinced to step down--probably by appealing to her narcissism.
 
I think because of too many betrayals in Michael’s life and the most heartless ones after his life. I understand why it is so difficult to believe anyone now.

But I think Debbie doesn’t deserve so much distrust.

I mean it. She was not just Michael’s wife but also a nurse and a mother of his children.
She has the “information” about Michael that any Grace\Karen or even Lisa Marie can only dream about.

And what has she said by now… I dare to say – NOTHING ! She could give the world “exclusives” every day of her life for the last 10 years or even more.

Yes, she shares her pictures with Paris online but let the world know that the girl has someone to take a stand for her!
Debbie is not young but she is defending. Yes, Debbie is doing “mistakes” in this defense but where are the young men from 3T for example. Well, yes, they could do it better. But you know what – they just don’t, they are not even trying !
Where is\was the monitoring of Paris Twitter they promised to do? I still wonder!!! It was easier to give a child an advice to make her account private, than to lie about it!!!

Debbie is far from being perfect woman or mother but I believe she will NOT harm the children.
 
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Yes, she should give up custody or have it taken away, which IMO should have been done by Beckloff back when KJ played Uno instead of taking care of PPB, but he did nothing except put TJ in there, which was another way really to bolster KJ and keep her in place. She gets all these labels--like 'matriarch'--that are laudatory, but she is a disgrace as a mother and a guardian. It's the elephant in the room.

I read a lot about dyfunctional families and abusive parents. A lot of this comes from learning bad parenting from their own parents--it is passed down through generations. MJ was very aware of bad parenting being a core societal problem that needed addressing on a global scale and he was constantly talking about children's issues to try and change the way children are raised. As he pointed out in speeches and in "The Lost Children" --why is there no "Children's Day"?? We have Mother's Day and Father's Day but why such resistance to having an International Children's Day? B/c children are still considered the possessions or property of parents/adults.

Abusive parents are often highly narcissistic--they have limited ability to empathize, to understand another's pain--to bring it back to KJ--she loves being regarded as a saint, as the matriarch. She will never IMO see how she contributed to MJ's pain or Paris's and I doubt she would voluntarily give up guardianship of any of the kids b/c she loves the power and $ and prestige. But I still hope she will--maybe she can be talked/pressured into it. It's better if she can be convinced to step down--probably by appealing to her narcissism.

I agree 100%. I think she should voluntarily give up custody, but she will not. Losing control of the kids=losing control of the money, so Beckloff will need to order it. I hope behind-the-scenes, there is strategizing happening with a change of guardianship for all three kids. When KJ went missing with that grandma-napping fiasco, I agree with you that Beckloff should have seen that for what it was--KJ is not in control--her kids are. I think she has exhausted all chances to stay in place and TJ has been no help at all in stabilizing the situation (no surprise really given what he's up against...), so it's time to call in the alternate who Michael designated as back up guardian. I just hope Diana Ross is willing to take this on.
 
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Yes, she should give up custody or have it taken away, which IMO should have been done by Beckloff back when KJ played Uno instead of taking care of PPB, but he did nothing except put TJ in there, which was another way really to bolster KJ and keep her in place. She gets all these labels--like 'matriarch'--that are laudatory, but she is a disgrace as a mother and a guardian. It's the elephant in the room.

I read a lot about dyfunctional families and abusive parents. A lot of this comes from learning bad parenting from their own parents--it is passed down through generations. MJ was very aware of bad parenting being a core societal problem that needed addressing on a global scale and he was constantly talking about children's issues to try and change the way children are raised. As he pointed out in speeches and in "The Lost Children" --why is there no "Children's Day"?? We have Mother's Day and Father's Day but why such resistance to having an International Children's Day? B/c children are still considered the possessions or property of parents/adults.

Abusive parents are often highly narcissistic--they have limited ability to empathize, to understand another's pain--to bring it back to KJ--she loves being regarded as a saint, as the matriarch. She will never IMO see how she contributed to MJ's pain or Paris's and I doubt she would voluntarily give up guardianship of any of the kids b/c she loves the power and $ and prestige. But I still hope she will--maybe she can be talked/pressured into it. It's better if she can be convinced to step down--probably by appealing to her narcissism.

It is apparent that Katherine Jackson is not addressing the situation in her home, being the guardian of Michael's children.

Perhaps the reason why Debbie Rowe entered the picture back in April was Paris Jackson reaching out to another adult to help her cope, because of the ongoing abuse in Katherine Jackson's home, paid for by the Estate of Michael Jackson.

Once again, Paris Jackson reached out for help by being physically removed from Katherine Jackson's home, that is paid for by Michael Jackson's Estate.

There is no protection for Paris Jackson living in Katherine Jackson's home, that is paid for by Michael Jackson's Estate!
 
Allusio;3853851 said:
I think because of too many betrayals in Michael’s life and the most heartless ones after his life. I understand why it is so difficult to believe anyone now.

But I think Debbie doesn’t deserve so much distrust.

I mean it. She was not just Michael’s wife but also a nurse and a mother of his children.
She has the “information” about Michael that any Grace\Karen or even Lisa Marie can only dream about.

And what has she said by now… I dare to say – NOTHING ! She could give the world “exclusives” every day of her life for the last 10 years or even more.

Yes, she shares her pictures with Paris online but let the world know that the girl has someone to take a stand for her!
Debbie is not young but she is defending. Yes, Debbie is doing “mistakes” in this defense but where are the young men from 3T for example. Well, yes, they could do it better. But you know what – they just don’t, they are not even trying !
Where is\was the monitoring of Paris Twitter they promised to do? I still wonder!!! It was easier to give a child an advice to make her account private, than to lie about it!!!

Debbie is far from being perfect woman or mother but I believe she will NOT harm the children.

debbie was not there for the children, not even in the day Michael died...so I really don't trust her, now she wants to be a mother, she should sell lies to someone else, she betrayed Michael like any other vulture...I don't say she shouldn't take a role with the kids, but they need someone to love them and educate them and in this moment the Jacksons, debbie and grace are doing a really poor job!
 
Judge taking no action in Jackson guardianship
The Associated Press Updated:06/25/2013 11:22:17 AM PDT

LOS ANGELES—A judge says he won't make any changes to the guardianship of Michael Jackson's children after receiving an investigator's report on
their well-being and meeting with an attorney for the singer's mother. Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff ordered the inquiry after
Paris Jackson was hospitalized for taking Motrin pills and cutting her arm with a kitchen knife. The judge said Tuesday he was taking no further action.
Perry Sanders Jr., an attorney for Katherine Jackson, has said Paris Jackson is physically fine and receiving proper medical attention. He has not provided further updates on her condition.
http://www.mercurynews.com/entertainment/ci_23535654/judge-taking-no-action-jackson-guardianship
 
Paris78;3853930 said:
LOS ANGELES—A judge says he won't make any changes to the guardianship of Michael Jackson's children after receiving an investigator's report
shock horror............... :yawn:
 
Paris78;3853930 said:
Judge taking no action in Jackson guardianship
The Associated Press Updated:06/25/2013 11:22:17 AM PDT

LOS ANGELES—A judge says he won't make any changes to the guardianship of Michael Jackson's children after receiving an investigator's report on
their well-being and meeting with an attorney for the singer's mother. Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff ordered the inquiry after
Paris Jackson was hospitalized for taking Motrin pills and cutting her arm with a kitchen knife. The judge said Tuesday he was taking no further action.
Perry Sanders Jr., an attorney for Katherine Jackson, has said Paris Jackson is physically fine and receiving proper medical attention. He has not provided further updates on her condition.
http://www.mercurynews.com/entertainment/ci_23535654/judge-taking-no-action-jackson-guardianship

This is very disappointing, to say the least. But, it's not over necessarily. If the psychiatrists (either at UCLA or the extended care facility) recommend a change to the court, Judge Beckloff can revisit guardianship at any time.

ETA: I can also see the judge and maybe even the docs involved with Paris' care recommending--at least for now--that there be no changes (which may cause even more stress) until she is stabilized.
 
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Judge taking no action in Jackson guardianship
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY | Associated Press – 28 mins ago

Associated Press/Joel Ryan, file - FILE - In this Oct. 8, 2011 file photo shows Paris Jackson on stage at the Michael Forever the Tribute Concert, at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff, Wales. A judge overseeing …more

FILE - This Jan. 27, 2012 file …
LOS ANGELES (AP) — A judge said Tuesday he will make no changes to the guardianship of Michael Jackson's children after receiving an investigator's report on their well-being and meeting with attorneys for their caretakers.
Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff ordered the inquiry after Paris Jackson was hospitalized on June 5 for taking Motrin pills and cutting her arm with a kitchen knife.

Beckloff ordered an investigator to interview Jackson's children, including Prince and Blanket, and report back to him.

Beckloff said he also met with attorneys for the children's grandmother Katherine Jackson and their adult cousin TJ Jackson, who serve as guardians.

"I'm taking no further action," Beckloff told attorneys for the Jackson estate during a hearing on an unrelated matter.

Perry Sanders Jr., an attorney for Katherine Jackson, has said Paris Jackson is physically fine and receiving proper medical attention. He has not provided further updates on her condition.

Sanders and Charles Shultz, an attorney for TJ Jackson, have said the judge's inquiry was an expected move and they supported his decision.
 
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^^^^ So interesting how everyone is lawyered up--KJ and TJ. I can only imagine what was going on behind-the-scenes. And, according to this updated version, Judge Beckloff told "attorneys for the Jackson estate" of his decision.

Does anyone know--can an "interested party" with standing (like the Estate) contest the ruling?
 
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Nothing's going to change. These kids are stuck with this family.

And the really funky part is, this allows the family to think they're doing some great job. I already come across the "She's spoiled and couldn't handle the family laying down the rules." nonsense, so you can't help but think this is probably how alot of the family think among themselves.
 
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Nothing's going to change. These kids are stuck with this family.

And the really funky part is, this allows the family to think they're doing some great job. I already come across the "She's spoiled and couldn't handle the family laying down the rules." nonsense, so you can't help but think this is probably how alot of the family think among themselves.

I agree--that's the lie they will tell themselves and maybe exercise even more control. Let's hope Judge Beckloff knows what he's doing, because if God forbid, something should happen because Paris is back in that house--it will be on him.
 
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^^^^ So interesting how everyone is lawyered up--KJ and TJ. I can only imagine what was going on behind-the-scenes. And, according to this updated version, Judge Beckloff told "attorneys for the Jackson estate" of his decision.

Does anyone know--can an "interested party" with standing (like the Estate) contest the ruling?

I'm answering my own question. A lawyer friend tells me in CA it is possible to file an appeal to end guardianship, although there are limits http://www.courts.ca.gov/selfhelp-guardianship.htm.

But, politically, I don't see the Estate doing it. No way :(
 
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I agree--that's the lie they will tell themselves to stay in denial and maybe even exercise more control. See, that's why I think it's not over. Once Paris recovers and is sent "home" --if there are any problems whatsoever, I think Judge Beckloff will have no alternative but to make a change.
I don't think he's going to do anything. I think he's now a part of the system that failed those kids. You have more hope than I do. If her trying to kill herself wasn't reason enough, I don't know what else he needs to happen. Bottomline is, these kids have no one on their side. Debbie Rowe is unstable and devious herself and she and Diana Ross and TJ are too concerned with not overstepping Ms. Katherine's bounds that they're putting Katherine's feelings and needs above the children's. Katherine really should have lost custody permanently last summer, whether she was in on it or not, the point is she allowed herself to be taken away from her charges for over a week and wouldn't even prosecute the people she claims tricked away from her responsibilities. That showed right there she's not in control herself. Any regular person would have lost custody. I just kinda give up at this point and hope they make it in that house the next few years unscathed as possible because every adult charged with their wellbeing has failed them and failed royally. You can add the court system to that list.
 
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I don't think he's going to do anything. I think he's now a part of the system that failed those kids. You have more hope than I do. If her trying to kill herself wasn't reason enough, I don't know what else he needs to happen. Bottomline is, these kids have no one on their side. Debbie Rowe is unstable and devious herself and she and Diana Ross and TJ are too concerned with not overstepping Ms. Katherine's bounds that they're putting Katherine's feelings and needs above the children's. Katherine really should have lost custody permanently last summer, whether she was in on it or not, the point is she allowed herself to be taken away from her charges for over a week and wouldn't even prosecute the people she claims tricked away from her responsibilities. That showed right there she's not in control herself. Any regular person would have lost custody. I just kinda give up at this point and hope they make it in that house the next few years unscathed as possible because every adult charged with their wellbeing has failed them and failed royally. You can add the court system to that list.

I agree with all you're saying--it's beyond disappointing. But, maybe the court is being conservative for now and keeping things as they are--changing guardianship at a time when Paris is battling depression may not be the right time. Beckloff can reopen this at ANY time should things change.
 
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No surprise. well i hope pj gets what she wants. of course the rest of the family will close ranks as normal.
 
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I agree with all you're saying--but the Estate has a couple of powerful lawyers who really do care about the kids. I'm convinced of that and I think if there's any hope, it is there.

Like everyone else, the estate is not going to want to ruffle any feathers.
 
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I agree with all you're saying--but the Estate has a couple of powerful lawyers who really do care about the kids. I'm convinced of that and I think if there's any hope, it is there.
Well when they give public statements, their statements sound like the others above. They don't want to upset Mrs. Jackson. I seriously doubt they'd do something different now and petition the court about custody. They've given her a lot of passes over the years and if they tried to upset her custody, World War III would start.
 
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Like everyone else, the estate is not going to want to ruffle any feathers.

I agree. But, they have influence which they did exert during the Grandma-napping incident.

Well when they give public statements, their statements sound like the others above. They don't want to upset Mrs. Jackson. I seriously doubt they'd do something different now and petition the court about custody. They've given her a lot of passes over the years and if they tried to upset her custody, World War III would start.

Agreed. I just hope the parties involved know what they're doing because the stakes are very high here if they make a mistake. Surely, if the docs involved with Paris feel she needs to be elsewhere, they have a professional/ethical obligation to recommend it.
 
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The estate are mugs when it comes to kj and the family. paying tj 90k when he lives hrs away. they give money out hand over fist to kj.

at the end of the day i presume pj has said she wants kj so i doubt a judge would go over her head. and we saw from last year hes hardly intrested. what will matter is where she goes when they let her out
 
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The estate are mugs when it comes to kj and the family. paying tj 90k when he lives hrs away. they give money out hand over fist to kj.

I still like the executors and are super glad they are in charge, but I have to admit the revelation about TJ receiving 9k when he doesn't even live with the kids, defanged the executors a little for me. Before I thought they were all hardcore and badass and didn't take any crap from the family.
 
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"Blanket, Paris and Prince Jackson put their names on a designer belt produced as a tribute to their late father and to raise money for the Jackson family museum planned for Gary, Indiana.
The merchandising deal for the crystal-encrusted belt is also a first -- the trustees of the Michael Jackson estate authorizing the Jackson family to produce and sell memorabilia in the pop star's name.
Katherine Jackson dropped her challenge for control of her son's estate last October, but her husband still has a legal objection pending in probate court.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Music/05/26/jackson.family.belt/index

The belt deal was May 25, 2010. So maybe there was an arrangement with the Estate and KJ--you drop your fight for control of the Estate and we'll allow you to sell memorabilia? This then went to the jacket signing. Maybe this was something that the Estate surrendered on to stop the legal brawling? On the other hand, the article says that KJ dropped her suit 6 months before the belt signing, so maybe I am jumping to conclusions?

I am SOOO disappointed in this decision by Beckloff and I feel bad that I didn't send the email and letter earlier (just sent it today and it is now useless). Well, maybe they will still read it and think it over re reducing/limiting all the media appearances, and maybe it will help Blanket from being used and exploited (we can hope).

I also came across this re Paris speaking at the Memorial:

An insider said: "It obviously wasn't a good idea to end that way. The good Reverend Lucious Smith tied up the loose ends nicely. Gave the service the proper coda."
The Chicago Sun Times newspaper reported: "At the end of the service, there was a bit of a disagreement within the assembled Jackson siblings on stage. While Janet, LaToya and Marlon felt it important for Michael's only daughter, Paris Katherine Jackson, to say a few words, some of the others - including Randy and Jermaine - weren't so sure."
Despite the reservations, a close family friend believes the youngster's 26-word speech helped remind people it was a sombre occasion.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/cel...peech-report-20090709-ddxr.html#ixzz2WrzR50bU
 
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"Blanket, Paris and Prince Jackson put their names on a designer belt produced as a tribute to their late father and to raise money for the Jackson family museum planned for Gary, Indiana.
The merchandising deal for the crystal-encrusted belt is also a first -- the trustees of the Michael Jackson estate authorizing the Jackson family to produce and sell memorabilia in the pop star's name.
Katherine Jackson dropped her challenge for control of her son's estate last October, but her husband still has a legal objection pending in probate court.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Music/05/26/jackson.family.belt/index

The belt deal was May 25, 2010. So maybe there was an arrangement with the Estate and KJ--you drop your fight for control of the Estate and we'll allow you to sell memorabilia? This then went to the jacket signing. Maybe this was something that the Estate surrendered on to stop the legal brawling? On the other hand, the article says that KJ dropped her suit 6 months before the belt signing, so maybe I am jumping to conclusions?

I am SOOO disappointed in this decision by Beckloff and I feel bad that I didn't send the email and letter earlier (just sent it today and it is now useless). Well, maybe they will still read it and think it over re reducing/limiting all the media appearances, and maybe it will help Blanket from being used and exploited (we can hope).

I also came across this re Paris speaking at the Memorial:

An insider said: "It obviously wasn't a good idea to end that way. The good Reverend Lucious Smith tied up the loose ends nicely. Gave the service the proper coda."
The Chicago Sun Times newspaper reported: "At the end of the service, there was a bit of a disagreement within the assembled Jackson siblings on stage. While Janet, LaToya and Marlon felt it important for Michael's only daughter, Paris Katherine Jackson, to say a few words, some of the others - including Randy and Jermaine - weren't so sure."
Despite the reservations, a close family friend believes the youngster's 26-word speech helped remind people it was a sombre occasion.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/cel...peech-report-20090709-ddxr.html#ixzz2WrzR50bU

I remember the timeframe of the belt signing ( I cringe just thinking about it) how contentious everything was and I don't doubt the Estate may have negotiated with KJ to show they were reasonable. I think the Estate is very savvy re/fan approval and at that time Katherine was treated with respect and deference as the matriarch who lost her son. I think times have changed and even public opinion towards Katherine (esp after all the public stunts & now this trial) has changed as well. I always gave her the benefit of the doubt, but not anymore sadly.
 
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Can't the children have someone with no links to the Jacksons to represent them in cases like these?

Seems this judge doesn't see or doesn't want to see the children, especially Paris, might end up having serious problems if they continue under Katherine's care. And I understand that probably he sees Katherine as this old nice & kind lady but he has to realize this lady would do anything for her children. Does he know she tied the children into a contract with the owner of a porn web site? Why allow children to remain with a person who would do such things? I really don't understand.
 
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How many chances does Mrs Jackson get?
 
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Can't the children have someone with no links to the Jacksons to represent them in cases like these?

Seems this judge doesn't see or doesn't want to see the children, especially Paris, might end up having serious problems if they continue under Katherine's care. And I understand that probably he sees Katherine as this old nice & kind lady but he has to realize this lady would do anything for her children. Does he know she tied the children into a contract with the owner of a porn web site? Why allow children to remain with a person who would do such things? I really don't understand.

The children have a court-appointed attorney, Margaret Lodise, who was very proactive in asking the court to review guardianship when KJ disappeared last year--the infamous Grandma-napping event. I have to assume (and hope) she was involved this time around, as well. Her role is to independently represent the kids and give "voice" to concerns dealing with their safety, among other things.
 
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Tanay Jackson is now chiming in. She says it is too strict at Katherine's house. Well, duh, she has marks on her wrists to remind us of that. Self-righteousness can be more of a stumbling block, than life saving. At least one person, within this clan is speaking up for Paris, her cousin Tanay Jackson. One small step in the right direction. How will Paris and Katherine settle their differences? The Judge ruled the way he did, because he doesn't see Katherine's home a danger to Paris. Her physical needs are being met and perhaps Katherine's tough "love" rules are just fine with the Judge!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...ckson-suicide-rows-grandmother-katherine.html
 
mjjmsc;3853874 said:
debbie was not there for the children, not even in the day Michael died...so I really don't trust her, now she wants to be a mother, she should sell lies to someone else, she betrayed Michael like any other vulture...I don't say she shouldn't take a role with the kids, but they need someone to love them and educate them and in this moment the Jacksons, debbie and grace are doing a really poor job!


Sometimes to step back is the best expression of care.

Silence can be the best expression of support.

Would it be right for Debbie to fight for children with Michael or after 2009 to stress them with “Hi, I’m your mom”

She did what was best. She let their father to take care of them and after 2009 was there when the child was ready to meet her.

Why to ignore that these actions can be taken differently?

Maybe if Debbie could be near earlier things would be better.
 
AliCat;3854337 said:
Tanay Jackson is now chiming in. She says it is too strict at Katherine's house. Well, duh, she has marks on her wrists to remind us of that. Self-righteousness can be more of a stumbling block, than life saving. At least one person, within this clan is speaking up for Paris, her cousin Tanay Jackson. One small step in the right direction. How will Paris and Katherine settle their differences? The Judge ruled the way he did, because he doesn't see Katherine's home a danger to Paris. Her physical needs are being met and perhaps Katherine's tough "love" rules are just fine with the Judge!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...ckson-suicide-rows-grandmother-katherine.html

LaToya with her ability to “expose” would be just in time.
 
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