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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Charles Thomson ‏@CEThomson 1h Only 1 news outlet is reporting that Wade Robson has got a trial date, and it seems like it could be based on a fan rumour earlier that day.

Jurors would only have to be 51% sure. Many jurors may feel that way before the case even begun, based on years of idiotic press coverage.
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Charles Thomson ‏@CEThomson 1h

In a civil case, Robson would not have to prove his case beyond a reasonable doubt in order for jurors to rule in his favour.
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Charles Thomson ‏@CEThomson 1h

Hopefully, it is wrong. It would be incredibly irresponsible for a judge to allow such a case to go forward under the circumstances.
 
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^^ Unfortunately it's true that the burden of proof in a civil trial is a lot lower than in a criminal. A verdict could depend on how prejudiced the jury would be. :(

There are no words for what a scum Wade is for pulling this for money. There is hardly lower a person can morally go.
 
Petrarose;3910373 said:
Guys we said this would happen, because this judge let's in everything. I feel there is a benefit to be gained with this case going forward, because he needs to go to court for Michael's name to be cleared. If it was kicked out, then people would have more to say. It would be like the first case which left that lingering "unknown" factor in people's minds.
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That is why a part of me wanted this case to go to trial. If it was thrown out, people could say MJ got off on a technicality but it doesn't mean he was innocent. On the other hand, many people would likely never have known about Wade and his allegations in the first place. The media have been rather quiet so far. Now there's going to be a civil case with all kinds of salacious hearsay so you can be sure the tabloids will be all over it.

There is going to be no new dirt, really. We had the drugs and molestation before. The only new thing is that Wade could use the AEG trial drug information to put in his stories.
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You're giving Wade too much credit. I'm sure he will "remember" plenty of new dirt on MJ. Would anyone really be surprised if Wade claims MJ had a torture chamber at Neverland where he carried out sadistic ritual abuse, or that he hired the Nation of Islam to spy on Wade and keep him in line, or that he routinely drugged Wade and other kids so he could molest them, etc.? I would put nothing past him at this point.

Paris78;3910468 said:
Charles Thomson ‏@CEThomson 1h Only 1 news outlet is reporting that Wade Robson has got a trial date, and it seems like it could be based on a fan rumour earlier that day.

Jurors would only have to be 51% sure. Many jurors may feel that way before the case even begun, based on years of idiotic press coverage.
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Charles Thomson ‏@CEThomson 1h

In a civil case, Robson would not have to prove his case beyond a reasonable doubt in order for jurors to rule in his favour.
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Charles Thomson ‏@CEThomson 1h

Hopefully, it is wrong. It would be incredibly irresponsible for a judge to allow such a case to go forward under the circumstances.
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This is what scares me. This trial could be much worse than all the previous ones because hearsay is allowed and the jurors would only have to have a reasonable doubt. Even if Wade's claims do not convince them, they might think MJ "got away with it" the last time so they rule in Wade's favour anyway. Good luck finding an unbiased jury after decades of relentless media brainwashing.

No matter what the outcome of this trial is, MJ will lose.

Can the Estate appeal against this decision to have the trial go forward?
 
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respect77 said:
Plus every info we have about the other cases. Wade might try to use those other cases even if Jordan and Gavin won't testify. This is civil court so more hearsay can be brought in than in a criminal court. So we have to help the Estate with ammunition against those allegations as well.

I expected it would sooner or later would go to court whether it's the creditor's claim or the lawsuit, but it's so frustrating to see it happen.
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Yeah he will look for information in the old case to build his "pattern theory." I know what you mean about the frustration. It is very hard because every time you take one step forward into positivity, some jerk comes along with a greed plan to try to upset all the positive work you do.

If this case is not televised, we will have the media focusing on the plaintiffs side. We really need to get the cross-examination.

Lindvig even if he writes about Michael drugging kids, it still falls within the realm of what we heard before, so it's not new. We heard it all: drugs, alcohol, addiction, molestation. The only difference is that Wade's particular scenario may be different; but the context will be the same, i.e., under the influence of alcohol, in bed, on phone, in shower, etc. They may put in a "pet name" too. Everyone knows Michael uses names for things; so we may get one of those, like they did with the "jesus juice."

I am just saying these things so people will prepare themselves in advance, so that they will not freak out once Wade's scenarios emerge.
 
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MJLovesyoumore said:
Anyone find it odd that only Australian news is reporting that Wade case will go ahead?

I think Cousin Jonathan may be behind this and tipping them off.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/2013/09/28/11/16/jackson-s-aussie-accuser-gets-trial-date

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/br...-gets-trial-date/story-fni0xqll-1226728999941

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...-gets-trial-date/story-e6frfkui-1226728999941

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...-gets-trial-date/story-fni0xqlk-1226728999941
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I haven't been following everything here. Who is Cousin Jonathan?? Is that Wade's cousin? Notice how these are all Australian websites.

Not a single news source confirmation from a U.S. based media (where the suit was filed.) I think we need to confirm if it's really been given the green light before jumping ahead.
 
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^ Yes. Jonathan Keller is his cousin who has been supporting him on social media, trying to convince people etc. Jonathan is Wade's very own Ray Chandler, so to speak.

I wonder if it's not yet up in the public court database and that's why US media does not yet report it. But someone who was there (Wade's side) could tip off some of the Australian media.
 
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Havnt wanted to know anything about this case. havnt followed it fo months.

not surprised. the american establishment will do anything to destroy mj. whats the judges reasoning for once again ignoring the law. i guess wade didnt realise mj had passed?!

and why are ppl talking about jury trials. tell me if im wrong but i thought this hearing was about the creditors claim not the civil suit. creditors claim is heard by the judge tmk
 
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the judge is both overseeing the creditor claim and the civil complaint. It's only logical for him to combine them together and handle this matter once. trials in probate court can either be a judge trial or a jury trial.
 
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Thanks ivy. although im kinda confused. my fault for not following it. so whats going to trial creditors claim.or lawsuit. or will he rule on both via one trial so to speak. and we wont know what sort of trial ie him or jury till later? only he would rule on a creditors claim though? then u have the issue of what comes first and any verdict having a prejudical effect on the other case
 
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we don't have any information as of now. only one website saying a trial date is set. we need to wait for US media to report on it and/or judge's ruling to be available (if not redacted or sealed) for us to see it ourselves
 
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Ok. thanks. what was the hearing actually for though? we know that i presume. thought it was about whether he could file his creditors claim although it was passed the limitations? if so then u presume the trial date is for the judge to rule on whether he gets money via that route.
 
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I don't understand how this is fair to Michael. He can say whatever he wants about Michael and he can't defend himself. For me if this does goes forward I don't need any details because that's enough for me to know. I have had enough.
 
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marebear said:
I don't understand how this is fair to Michael. He can say whatever he wants about Michael and he can't defend himself. For me if this does goes forward I don't need any details because that's enough for me to know. I have had enough.
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It'll never be fair. No one was fair to Michael. Not the Arvizos, not Tom Sneddon, not Diane Dimond, not Wade, not Stacey Brown, and certainly not his family. Just us. It's time like this I wish I could travel back in time and just warn him about all these little pricks. :(

I would call them all dogs...but that'd be insult to the animal.
 
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June is the worst time IMO - just in time for the 5th anniversary of MJ's death. It should be a time when the public concentrate on MJ's music, with great projects being released (album, TV documentary, books etc). These products will not sell if the public are reading about child molestation in the press every day.
Whether the information is new or not, it's been many years since most people read those lurid allegations against MJ and we don't want the public being reminded of them again.
 
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What's going on? I truly thought this case was going to be thrown off. This is another injustice towards Michael. This Wade is mentally disturbed and cruel. Does he realize what he's doing to the person who open the doors of his home & heart? Seems he's just thinking about the money he can get. But the time will come when he will have to pay for his actions and I hope that time comes soon.
 
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Aquarius said:
What's going on? I truly thought this case was going to be thrown off. This is another injustice towards Michael. This Wade is mentally disturbed and cruel. Does he realize what he's doing to the person who open the doors of his home & heart? Seems he's just thinking about the money he can get. But the time will come when he will have to pay for his actions and I hope that time comes soon.
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^ I believe a lot of us thought the case was gonna get thrown out, but once again..Michael doesn't get the justice he deserves. I hate that this is happening. But you better believe I'm keeping my eyes open for evidence :shifty: I'm about to go into Sherlock Holmes mode. I've had enough of this crap.

What's so hard about leaving Michael Jackson alone? What? Is there something on his face? *le sigh*
 
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xosweetseducingsighsxo said:
^ I believe a lot of us thought the case was gonna get thrown out, but once again..Michael doesn't get the justice he deserves. I hate that this is happening. But you better believe I'm keeping my eyes open for evidence :shifty: I'm about to go into Sherlock Holmes mode. I've had enough of this crap.

What's so hard about leaving Michael Jackson alone? What? Is there something on his face? *le sigh*
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Do you still have some emotional strength left?

This is so consuming. With Paris being away & AEG, I'm exhausted. It had to be extremely hard for Michael to survive all those crazy suits, the false accusations, and everything in between. He really was strong.

I just need to know if it's true that this suit is going forward. Why there's no news about that here in the US or are they waiting till Monday to report it?
 
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xosweetseducingsighsxo said:
What's so hard about leaving Michael Jackson alone? What? Is there something on his face? *le sigh*
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Simple:

- Michael was very rich (=Michael's Estate is very rich).
- Michael was very kind.
- Michael was very naive.
- Michael is different and perceived to be strange, odd, bizarre by the public.

= the perfect target for extortions. People are ready to believe anything about him and he's got money. What more an extortionist needs? And since the first accuser got away with extortion other opportunists will try with the same crap obviously.

To me it just shows that there are people in this world who would do anything, really ANYTHING for money if they think they can get away with it. Morals, friendship all go out the window for them when they see the mighty $ sign. Really sad. Not just for Michael, but also for mankind to have such people.
 
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Aquarius said:
Do you still have some emotional strength left?

This is so consuming. With Paris being away & AEG, I'm exhausted. It had to be extremely hard for Michael to survive all those crazy suits, the false accusations, and everything in between. He really was strong.

I just need to know if it's true that this suit is going forward. Why there's no news about that here in the US or are they waiting till Monday to report it?
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To be honest, no, I don't. All this AEG mess, and Paris hurting herself sucked the life out of me. But I'm using my willpower now. I may not have been alive during the first set of allegations, but I was for the second set, and even as a kid I hated how they treated Michael like he was a dog. From the time I was six, I swore that I was gonna at least do everything I could to help him. I was born defending MJ (even though I didn't know what was wrong) and I'm gonna die doing it.

Michael was definitely very strong, and for that he's my hero.

I really don't know if the suit going forward thing is true, as I'm waiting for the US to report it. But if it is, I'll have myself ready.
 
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If this goes to trial, will the media have the same level of access they had with Jackson/AEG? Or is it more closed because it's probate?
 
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I really don't have a lot of emotional strength left myself to be honest. Yesterday I felt really drained because I thought we might get a verdict in the trial and then I come in here and read this. It gets too much. Obviously it was harder on Michael but it gets hard too on us. People say we should enjoy Michael's music and work and remember the happiness he gave us. I try to but all these things keep happening and it takes that away.

As fans how can we feel peace when Michael is not left to rest in peace? It's like we can't let our guard down and we have to get ready for battle. We have to deal with Michael's death, the craziness with his family, Murray and AEG trial and now this. Wade sure picked a time to do this. As drained as I feel I will always fight for Michael. We will all fight for Michael because this makes us all very angry and we all know this is a complete lie. The AEG trial might separate the group to a certain extent. But this? This will unite all MJ fans.
 
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marebear said:
I really don't have a lot of emotional strength left myself to be honest. Yesterday I felt really drained because I thought we might get a verdict in the trial and then I come in here and read this. It gets too much. Obviously it was harder on Michael but it gets hard too on us. People say we should enjoy Michael's music and work and remember the happiness he gave us. I try to but all these things keep happening and it takes that away.

As fans how can we feel peace when Michael is not left to rest in peace? It's like we can't let our guard down and we have to get ready for battle. We have to deal with Michael's death, the craziness with his family, Murray and AEG trial and now this. Wade sure picked a time to do this. As drained as I feel I will always fight for Michael. We will all fight for Michael because this makes us all very angry and we all know this is a complete lie. The AEG trial might separate the group to a certain extent. But this? This will unite all MJ fans.
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I know what you mean. Sometimes it feels like it's another job to be an MJ fan. You have to study law, legal cases, fight etc. etc. With so much crap thrown at their star any other fan base would have given up already. How ridiculous is it to see Lady Gaga fans complain about how persecuted their star is - and that means that Perez Hilton likes to criticize her. OMG, what a persecution! What would they do if she had to endure what Michael had to for over two decades and still has to in death? It's a testament to Michael that he still has a huge, loyal fan base and that he's still loved all around the world. It's just so freaking frustrating that the evil forces won't rest against him.

And Michael's children... what kind of person drags them through this crap? Especially after what happened to Paris.
 
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It's all in what you pay attention to I guess. I chose not to follow the AEG trial after a few weeks in. I didn't want to be sad every day reading the updates. Not sure if I would follow this trial either if or when it happens. It does get really draining, that's true. I wish for just one year there could be no negativity surrounding Michael.
 
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Well one good thing is, there is a ton of evidence on Wade Robson, including 20 years of him praising MJ on tv at 10 years old, under oath at a molestation trial when he was 22 , tons of videos before, during and after his death. Hell he even helped Jermaine write his book where he and his mother Joy talked of MJ's character as a man. He danced with Janet in tribute of MJ. All of that will be used against him. I bet you anything that Weitzman and company have investigators looking up at what happened to him and why he chose this route.. he was talking good about MJ as recent as 2012 and MJ had been dead for 3 years. What person talks so well about a man who allegedly abused them? Oh and don't forget the MJ OPUS, which was an MJ estate approved book by the way and the wonderful words Wade bestowed on MJ.. He couldn't say MJ brainwashed him or coached him because Michael wasn't here .

And we got T Mez, who I am sure will come with his mountain of evidence and testify for the estate.
 
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^^The main destructive case against Michael is about allegations. The only time we will have peace is when such a case is successfully challenged in court for a win for Michael and the public knows Both sides of the issue. Therefore, we need a huge molestation win where the public knows not only what Wade said, but what the estate showed. That never happened in 05. People don't know why Michael won because the media suppressed it, so it seems he won due to his fame.

We already had the main death cases--Muarry & AEG. Even with an appeal, the main hype of the case is gone.
The paternity cases are usually a joke.
The ex-business associates asking for funds, like Bain are not that devastating.
Most other cases, the estate reaches a settlement like that Johnson woman who won't go away, and it seems Lloyd will be settled.
Next up is Thome, IRS. The IRS is making Michael look good. Thome we all want to know about.

Wade remains the biggest problem. I feel if an abuse case comes in after his death, and it is successfully won, no other male will bring in a case. I think that because of the 05 win, no other male brought a case after 05 while Michael was alive. The difference now is that Michael is dead, so it is like a New chapter for a shakedown male. He feels it is my words against dead Michael & people will think it is more likely for his claim to be true. I feel Wade filed not only for money, but because Michael is dead; so we need an After Death Win to stop this vicious cycle.
 
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I worry because it's like this guy is getting his way the whole time now and there is nothing protecting Michael here. Everyone says this creditor's claim should be thrown out because of the laws yet it seems to still be there. I don't see what Michael's rights are yet Wade's rights seem to be protected. I don't find that fair.
 
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marebear said:
I worry because it's like this guy is getting his way the whole time now and there is nothing protecting Michael here. Everyone says this creditor's claim should be thrown out because of the laws yet it seems to still be there. I don't see what Michael's rights are yet Wade's rights seem to be protected. I don't find that fair.
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I feel the same. That's why I ask again: can the Estate appeal this decision? And if they feel that judge Beckoff is biased against Michael based on his past rulings, can they request a different judge to handle the case? I think it's a bit strange that one judge handles all the MJ cases (it's hard NOT to form a bias that way) but I guess that's the California legal system.
 
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LindavG said:
I feel the same. That's why I ask again: can the Estate appeal this decision? And if they feel that judge Beckoff is biased against Michael based on his past rulings, can they request a different judge to handle the case? I think it's a bit strange that one judge handles all the MJ cases (it's hard NOT to form a bias that way) but I guess that's the California legal system.
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I really hope the estate gets to appeal the decision. There should be no reason to get the same biased (IMO) judge over, and over, and over again. Stupid California legal system..I wish I lived in New York.

I also wonder if helping the estate by gathering important evidence will do us any good.
 
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Will the 1993 pictures be involved at any point? Really don't want to see them, but I'm not sure how this works so not sure if this would be used?

"Why work when you can sue Michael Jackson?" T-Mez
 
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It is emotionally draining at times. But, I will always be here for MJ, no matter how hard it gets! I hope no fan gives up on MJ, he wouldn't on u! :angel:
 
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