[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[Paris78]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

already posted

 

[HIStory]

FIRST PICTURE: Married father who claims Michael Jackson sexually abused him after starring with singer in Pepsi ad in lawsuit that 'will prompt flood of complaints against late star's estate'

James Safechuck, 36, is suing Jackson estate claiming he was abused by the King of Pop after the two appeared together in a 1988 Pepsi ad
James claims he was abused from age 10 to 14
Source: 'We think that James’ case might well prompt a flood of other victims to come forward'
James is now a computer programmer who is married with two children and lives in Van Nuys, California
James featured in 2005 trial where Jackson was accused of molesting 13-year-old cancer survivor Gavin Arvizo at Neverland ranch
Maid said she saw the two in bed together, nude from the waist up
James did not cooperate at time - he changed his mind when he become a father and underwent therapy
David Clohessy, Executive Director of SNAP, the Survivors' Network of those Abused by Priests, told MailOnline: 'We hope that this brave man’s courage will inspire many others to come forward'

By Ryan Parry In Los Angeles

Published: 16:46 GMT, 15 May 2014 | Updated: 18:29 GMT, 15 May 2014


A flood of sex abuse victims are expected to come forward in the wake of a new lawsuit filed against Michael Jackson, the MailOnline has learned.

James Safechuck, 36, is suing the Jackson estate claiming he was abused by the King of Pop after the two appeared together in a 1988 Pepsi ad when he was aged 10.

James claims the pop star went on to molest him for years up until the age of 14. He has added his name to a previous suit filed last year by 31-year-old Wade Robson, an Australian former-choreographer who claims Jackson sexually abused him at a young age.
Victim: James Safechuck, now 36, has come forward to claim sex abuse. A source close to his legal team say it could prompt a 'flood' a similar complaints against Jackson's estate

James Safechuck, now 36, has come forward to claim sex abuse. A source close to his legal team say it could prompt a 'flood' a similar complaints against Jackson's estate



Sources have revealed to MailOnline that his legal team believe his case is so strong that it will likely inspire ‘dozens’ more victims of abuse to come forward and share their accounts of the singer.

One source close to James’ lawyer said: ‘We think that James’ case might well prompt a flood of other victims to come forward. The idea that some people take years and years to come to terms with this kind of abuse is very typical.

'We believe that James coming forward will inspire others to do the same. There could be dozens more victims of Michael Jackson out there.’

The lawsuit filed last week remains sealed, but it’s believed James, a computer programmer who is married with two children and lives in Van Nuys, California, met Jackson when the pair starred in the Pepsi commercial.


James was acting the part of a young boy who sneaks into the singer's dressing room during a concert and eventually meets his idol.

During 1988, the year the commercial was shot, James followed Jackson around the world - attending concerts in Paris, Los Angeles, and London.

He was also photographed with the star attending a Pepsi conference in Hawaii and seeing the premiere of The Phantom of the Opera musical on Broadway along with Liza Minelli.
Haunted: Safechuck now works as a computer programmer in Southern California and has since married and went on to have two kids of his own.The two pictured in red above in Hawaii


Jackson even treated James to a shopping spree at F.A.O. Schwarz toy store on that New York trip.

A sex abuse victims’ group also believes James’ account could give many more victims the courage to finally come forward.

David Clohessy, Executive Director of SNAP, the Survivors' Network of those Abused by Priests, told MailOnline: ‘Given Michael Jackson’s popularity and prominence, now victim James Safechuck has come forward, there certainly could be a flood of other victims coming out.

‘We hope that this brave man’s courage will inspire many others to come forward. There could be dozens and dozens and we hope they start to speak up.

‘Some will blast Jackson's latest accuser for his timing. That's wrong. If kids are to be safe from predators, adults must welcome – indeed, be grateful for – abuse reports no matter when they happen.'

He added: ‘We hope every single person who saw, suspected or suffered child sex crimes by Jackson will find the courage to step forward.’

Jackson went on trial in 2005 accused of molesting 13-year-old cancer survivor Gavin Arvizo at his Neverland ranch two years earlier and James featured in the trial.

Prosecutors gathered testimony from several Neverland Ranch workers who said they feared James was an abuse victim.

Several workers say he was a frequent guest and an estate manager testified that he saw Jackson standing in a Jacuzzi with his hands 'down the front of Jimmy's underpants and was manipulating the boy's genitalia'.

A maid at the ranch said she saw the two in bed together, nude from the waist up, on two different occasions.
Roadie: Safechuck traveled attended many international shows with Jackson. Seen above in Paris in 1988


Witness: One Neverland Ranch maid said in 2005 that she saw Jackson and Safechuck naked from the waist up in bed together on two different occasions

But James never co-operated with prosecutors - he changed his mind when he became a father and underwent therapy.

Because of his change of heart, a judge ruled that the allegations wouldn't be included in the trial. Jackson was later acquitted of all charges.

Yesterday the MailOnline visited James’ family home in a smart suburb of Van Nuys and spoke to his wife,

She would only say: ‘James is not in. He is not doing this for the money, that’s not what this is about.’

James' lawyer Maryann Marzano, a partner at Gradstein & Marzano in LA, said in a statement: 'If there is still any question about the predatory nature of Michael Jackson’s so-called "friendships" with young boys, it should be laid to rest by the indisputable facts of what Michael did to James Safechuck.

'Those facts are set forth in the Complaint that James Safechuck filed in L.A. Superior Court last Friday, May 9, 2014.'

The attorney for Jackson's estate, Howard Weitzman, has called the claims 'false and scurrilous'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ther-starred-Pepsi-ad-star-filed-lawsuit.html

 

[analogue]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I hate looking at his face

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I recall Michael's trial quite well and I must have missed all of that

 

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So what are James and Wade (and reportedly whoever else) sueing for if this trash-fest isn't about the money? Do they all think we're stupid? They all say it's not about the money when their actions are saying the complete opposite. And why are they all doing this now when Michael is dead? I don't believe for even a second that they couldn't all come to court in 2005 as fully grown adults when they had the chance and deal with him face to face. Given the nature of the high-profile negative time for Michael back then and the fact that he was already on trial for his life, these men would have been believed with no problem. This is totally ridiculous. They file multi-million dollar lawsuits years after they had their time to put Michael away and then act like they don't understand why some people are skeptical. It's really pathetic, in my opinion.

 

[analogue]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh they couldn't come forward in 2005. There was no money to be made

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I love it when people say it is not about money when you file a lawsuit what are you asking for candy? It's always about money. They both could have spoke out without asking for a dime but what would be the point of that? Still can't get over that Michael pulled him out of school line

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

U file a claim against a estate for money yet claim its not about money? er okay. funny i thought lawsuits and claims were all about money.

and why are the daily fail so obsessed with mj and his kids. their readership must have the least amount of intrest in mj than any readership of any paper

 

[analogue]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Also if it isn't about money then why are they running to all the tabloids? You know for a fact that the tabloids paid them to say what they got to say.

If they were truly traumatized by all this then they wouldn't be able to do the media rounds

 

[HIStory]

What I gather from that article:

- They are still fishing/begging for new "victims", which to me suggests just the opposite of this claim that their case is strong:

Sources have revealed to MailOnline that his legal team believe his case is so strong that it will likely inspire ‘dozens’ more victims of abuse to come forward and share their accounts of the singer.

- SNAP seems to be on board with them. They are always the ones quick to comment anything happening in this case (even though their main profile is the Catholic church's priest scandals...) and remember that when the Jimmy crap came out the link Wade gave to the story was an article on the SNAP website. I vaugely remember that last year when it came out there was also an article on the SNAP website supporting Wade. I believe these might be the "experts" they intend to use to support them in a court case and they seem to have a connection now. They also do recruiting for them by repeating over and over again how more "victims" should come forward.

This was also in Dimond's article:

Several workers say he was a frequent guest and an estate manager testified that he saw Jackson standing in a Jacuzzi with his hands 'down the front of Jimmy's underpants and was manipulating the boy's genitalia'.

A maid at the ranch said she saw the two in bed together, nude from the waist up, on two different occasions.

Of course, the Daily Mail could have taken it from Dimond's article, but if this is something they really put in Jimmy's story this is a huge own goal. The "estate manager" is the Quindoys who are so "credible" that even the prosecution didn't use them.

And the maid is Blanca Francia. Her story was in one of the prosecution's motions and it was that she saw that scene on one of the beds of the theater (and this was cited by Dimond because she did mention the theater in her article). But on the stand Blanca admittes she was never in the theater when MJ was there with kids... So I really hope they put it in his story. LOL.

he changed his mind when he became a father and underwent therapy.

LOL, didn't these lawyers have a bit more fantasy? Now BOTH men will claim that although 1993 and 2005 didn't trigger anything in them, becoming a father suddenly did. And of course therapy...

Yesterday the MailOnline visited James’ family home in a smart suburb of Van Nuys and spoke to his wife,

She would only say: ‘James is not in. He is not doing this for the money, that’s not what this is about.’

So then what it is about? There is nothing else in it for them than money.

 

[analogue]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I hope The Judge throws these cases out

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

When you file a lawsuit and say it is not about money you look like a great big dumb ass. Just speak out say you were abused why does your speaking out have to have a price tag attached?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

U know what. i stayed away from this thread for months and months because ignorance is bliss and other than being on the boards i wouldnt have had a clue about wade due to the little intrest shown by the media. ive learnt over the decades that theres nothing u can do so u might aswell be totally clueless as knowing what is going on just causes anguish and pain. so its time to walk away from this and be clueless like i was before i saw this crap on another board. someone just tell me when the judge throws it out!

 

[GreenEyes]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How about a woman scorned with pictures of a man she's supposed to hate on her wall, and his underwear? :bugeyed: Diane Demon is CRAAAAAZY! It's like she loves Michael, but she'll lie on him as revenge. Did Michael happen to reject this groupie? Cause now I wanna know. Who puts pictures of a person you think is a criminal on your wall, and who the HELL keeps theiryb underwear? Bruuuuuhhh :lmao: it's laughable when I think about it.

I knew about the pictures, but she has a pair of his underwear??? I'd bet she sleeps with them (or does she have them framed)?

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Read this article on LSA and I think it's very useful:

Following up on the blatant travesties of justice represented by cases such as Wade and Akiki, the 1993-94 San Diego Grand Jury once again investigated the abuses surrounding children's allegations of molestation and abuse. Their most recent report, Analysis of Child Molestation Issues & Confidential District Attorney's Report, presents another scathing indictment of a social service and judicial system which continues to foster atrocities against innocent families. The Grand Jury documents what Patrick Clancy describes as a "system out of balance."21 According to their report, numerous lives are being ruined, and families destroyed, by the actions of social workers who base their reports on inconclusive (or non-existent) investigations, biased therapists who often validate predetermination of guilt without any corroborating evidence, and vindictive parents.

In addition to being a highly visible crisis that is closely tied to our judicial system, false allegations represent a fascinating, though disturbing, social phenomenon. The solution to this crisis will require new professional standards and practices for lawyers, therapists, and departments of social services. The issues surrounding false allegations cut to the heart of constitutional rights, standards of review, evidentiary rules, and remedies. The problem threatens to intrude upon the practice of law in the areas of criminal defense, child dependency, federal appeals, family law, malpractice, ethics, and personal injury. If lawyers wait for someone else to fashion a remedy, the problem will continue to grow.

The epidemic of false allegations has come about through a bizarre interplay of justifiable social outrage, media sensationalism, unsettled judicial policies, and New Age memory-recovery therapeutic techniques. The proliferation of in cases of this type may be motivated by the plaintiffs' pursuit of vindication for their personal inadequacies, revenge against a neglectful relative, or the desire to achieve a massive personal injury award. The accusers who form the basis of the false allegation problem are sometimes calculating and malicious; however, even they are most often innocent victims of a psychological theory gone awry. Sometimes, false molest allegations are based on actual incidents of molestation, with only the identity of the perpetrator or other details being wrongly inserted into the "memories" of the event. Sometimes, the memories are a confabulation22 of the accuser's real memories, imagination, fears, suspicions, and expectations. It is important to remember that false allegations are always devastating, regardless of the culpability of the accuser.
__________________

http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume6/j6_3_6.htm

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

But here is the problem for both of them. Ya waited too long.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The headline says it all - they want loads of people to come forwards to use in their case to force the estate to settle.

These people are naive though - there simply aren't that many kids who befriended Michael, and all of them except Spence have publicly supported him throughout the years, especially from 2005-2009. Spence is the only one who has never spoken publicly about Mike, but my friend has spoken to his mother last year since Wade.

Outside of just the few known people, I can't think of any other kids he's even been around - unless people want to claim he molested them one time when they saw him at some event randomly, which would just be crazy, but I'd imagine is what they're hoping this will turn into, a Jimmy Savile scandal.

 

[bluetopez]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Demon mentioned on TV during the 05 trial that she did wave or tried to say hello to MJ once and he just gave her a death stare! lol She dereved worse! That WENCH!

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Where can I read the court documents especially Wietzman replies which Ivy posted here ? Don't you believe there should be a separate thread for Ivy's summaries ?

 

[Billie Jean 78]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Debbie Kunesh @Writinglady 8 h
Just got off the phone with Tom Mesereau. He has given me permission to share this statement with all of you.
"It's outrageous and ridiculous (these news claims coming out by Jimmy Safechuck and his lawyer). This man has spent years denying that he was ever improperly touched. These false attacks on Michael Jackson are becoming a "Comedy of the Absurd!"
I am waiting for Jay Leno, Conan O'Brien and Ellen DeGeneres to join as plaintiffs (just kidding).
I won't be surprised if Diane Dimond claims repressed memory and alleges that she was molested as well." ~ Mr. Thomas Mesereau

Mesereau is Michael's best defender! I do wish he could work for the Estate in these matters!!! He's an extremely important witness for Michael's innocence because he represented Michael in 2005 and has first hand information on some of the shady caracters. I do hope he stays in good health for a long time!!!

 

[MJLovesyoumore]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

From The Daily Fail article:

But James never co-operated with prosecutors - he changed his mind when he became a father and underwent therapy.

I am curious about these therapists Wade and James have supposedly seen. Something has struck me as odd about that from day 1. Wade's story was very similar. When Wade went to see a therapist, only then he realised he was *abused. If I remember correctly, I was even more so after I learned that Wade's therapist was not a man by the name David Arredondo as stated in the filings, but someone else, who's name will not be made public.

I don't understand the secrecy around who Wade's therapist is.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

From the beast article above: Haunted: Safechuck now works as a computer programmer in Southern California and has since married and went on to have two kids of his own.The two pictured in red above in Hawaii

^^Hawaii again. Let's see if Chuck takes off to Hawaii too. Interesting that he is still living here in the US unlike Wade who ran away.

-So both lawyers are from the same firm--it makes even more sense. Even that shows collusion. If I was molested by a person and I see someone else file a lawsuit, I would simply go get my own lawyer and do the same. Why would I hunt down that other guys lawyer and get someone from his firm? Further Wade's lawyer deals with intellectual property, so why would I get someone like that. I would more likely get an attorney that deals with abuse and sexual crimes. I am sure when we do see the filing & the estate's response, we will see other glaring lies that make them look foolish, like Wade not knowing there was an estate.

MJLove there are so many different versions but it seems he claimed he had some breakdown and went to a therapist. It seems that the therapist that they used for the filing is not the one who actually saw him during the breakdown, or some such story. We will have to dig back to the front of this thread to get the details.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

From The Daily Fail article:




I am curious about these therapists Wade and James have supposedly seen. Something has struck me as odd about that from day 1. Wade's story was very similar. When Wade went to see a therapist, only then he realised he was *abused. If I remember correctly, I was even more so after I learned that Wade's therapist was not a man by the name David Arredondo as stated in the filings, but someone else, who's name will not be made public.

I don't understand the secrecy around who Wade's therapist is.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a therapist is necessary in these things because that's the "proof" they provide to the court about their abuse.

That's why it happened the same way in 1993, with Francia, with Gavin. They need a therapist to vouch for them, so they see a lawyer, and get sent off to a therapist who says yes, they're a victim and are damaged from it.

So you can see how silly and manipulative it starts to become.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Let's just hope the judge has some sense and he does not allow this to go to a trial

 

[Gold Pants Girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If this doesn't go to trial, sadly it won't be the end of it though, they will run to the media and sell as many interviews as they can to make a quick $, and with tabloid interviews they say whatever they want with no proof to back it up, and the interviewer will never challenge them. DD will be first in line.

 

[MJLovesyoumore]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a therapist is necessary in these things because that's the "proof" they provide to the court about their abuse.

That's why it happened the same way in 1993, with Francia, with Gavin. They need a therapist to vouch for them, so they see a lawyer, and get sent off to a therapist who says yes, they're a victim and are damaged from it.

So you can see how silly and manipulative it starts to become.

Yes I understand that, but why the secrecy around Wade's therapists name? All I am trying to say is that wouldn't surprise me if their therapists are somehow linked, even in on this scam, or possibly even the same person...who knows?

so they see a lawyer, and get sent off to a therapist who says yes, they're a victim and are damaged from it.

What if a lawyer approached them and sent them to certain therapists who he knew would lie?

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Demon mentioned on TV during the 05 trial that she did wave or tried to say hello to MJ once and he just gave her a death stare! lol She dereved worse! That WENCH!

If demon hates Michael so much, why would she even do that? :blink: To me she's a crazily obsessive fan who hasn't come out of the the closet because in the media is way cooler hating on Michael and also sexually frustrated.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I reread what Ivy posted at the time, apparently the judge wanted to unseal portion of Wade's claims and release it to the public . He asked both sides to work on what portions to release in June. I don't know , I feel this judge gave them enough time to have someone else join them.

 

[analogue]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I hope that the judge isn't gonna be one of those people who thinks that Michael ''got away with it'' in 93 and 05.

 

[Chris_Jones]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So you conveniently realised after the man died that he molested you... Oh see that makes perfect sense! I mean, pretty easy thing to forget I guess..... Facepalm!