Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Want me to reel off an entire list? or you just trying to derail this thread into something else? Please lets stick to this subject, theres a Jacksons section for this stuff.

I absolutely don't plan to talk about Jacksons here. I just only want to hear your answer for this one question (which relate to your last post). I don't understand why you are trying to dismiss this question? It's not about Jacksons, it's about all the people who screw up Michael Jackson. I just only hope you include them. That's all.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I still don't see how that betrayal could be even worse

And for now the songs are controversial in my book, until proven otherwise. Personally, i'm still on the fence about it.

Because they attacked Michael on a professional, not personal, level. Something no one ever did before them. That's my opinion.

Please listen to all 12 Cascio songs, listen to available demos. That will push you over the fence, especially Fall In Love, Ready 2 Win, All Right & Water. All 12 songs are/were available on the internet.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

This isn't a "frivolous" lawsuit as Weitzman claimed. That should be very clear by now to anyone with half a brain. Saying that is an insult to the whole fan community and everyone that this scam affected. A wise man once said that lies run sprints, but the truth runs a marathon. Everyone who played a role in putting these songs out and subsequently covering their own behinds will eventually find that out. Whether it's from this lawsuit or something else down the line. The truth will come out one way or another. And anybody that acted inappropriately should be made to deal with the consequences of that. Yes, even if one of those people turns out to be John Branca, who I'm sure is actually a nice guy that does have love for Michael.

Why some people are pushing so hard against this, I really don't know. Fear? If you knew who was behind the lawsuit you would not be questioning their motives. This is about a deep love, care and respect for Mchael as an artist and his artistic integrity. Something that Michael cared deeply about and was so protective of. He can't look after it anymore, so it becomes the responsibility of any fan that cares enough to get involved in any way. Nobody has the ability to protect that more than the fans. To some it's not a big deal. To some it's huge. But it is about nothing more than respect and love for Michael's art and how much of himself he put into it.

Nobody is pushing against the lawsuit. However any ethical person (and especially Michael Jackson's fans who should to know the consequences of unproved allegations)won't call other people criminals before the real outcome of the litigation. You just have to learn that in every conflict there is an accuser and defendant. You are calling yourself a Michael Jackson's fan but you forget that Michael was a helpless defendant against bullies like you. You have no idea how this lawsuit will turn around so before you call people criminals just wait patiently and show some class.

 

[WildStyle]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Nobody is pushing against the lawsuit. However any ethical person (and especially Michael Jackson's fans who should to know the consequences of unproved allegations)won't call other people criminals before the real outcome of the litigation. You just have to learn that in every conflict there is an accuser and defendant. You are calling yourself a Michael Jackson's fan but you forget that Michael was a helpless defendant against bullies like you. You have no idea how this lawsuit will turn around so before you call people criminals just wait patiently and show some class.

Some people have great confidence in their for lack of a better term "musical ear". I'm one of those people. I don't have thousands of dollars worth of musical equipment and a home studio for no reason. I'm a hobbyist, but I'm still technically a musician. I've also always had a good ear for voice recognition in general. People that know me know that. Coupling those 2 things with the fact that I've been listening to and studying MJ's voice since birth (all era's of his career, so the progression of his voice as well), I'm very confident that I already know the truth. In fact it's crystal clear to me. Crystal clear. People can take that and feel anyway they want about it, but that's just me. And very "classy" of you to label me as a bully without even knowing me.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Korg I always enjoy reading your posts, and in this I fully agree with you--especially about the "definite evidence." Actually that definite evidence is all over the place, and popped up in the illusion thread as well.

There is something similar in this case and the AEG case where the plaintiff said she was working alone, and then TMez spilled the beans. It appears that this woman is working alone too. What I find odd is that the album came out in 2010. There was heightened controversy about the Cascio tracks which was talked about on the news and on Ophra. Am I to believe the woman never heard about this, and then years later went and bought this album only to be shocked that it was not Michael on the tracks? Well we will see.

Some people have great confidence in their for lack of a better term "musical ear". I'm one of those people. I don't have thousands of dollars worth of musical equipment and a home studio for no reason. I'm a hobbyist, but I'm still technically a musician. I've also always had a good ear for voice recognition in general. People that know me know that. Coupling those 2 things with the fact that I've been listening to and studying MJ's voice since birth (all era's of his career, so the progression of his voice as well), I'm very confident that I already know the truth. In fact it's crystal clear to me. Crystal clear. People can take that and feel anyway they want about it, but that's just me. And very "classy" of you to label me as a bully without even knowing me.

Tom Snedon, Diane Dimond, Nancy Grace and all other fans of the accusers had a great confidence too. Definitely greater then yours confidence because they took they actions. You are "fighting" on internet only. It speaks volumes about you and your "confidence".

 

[Member Service]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Please refrain from bringing other topics like the 2005 case, Jackson family members and such into this thread unless it relates to the topic at hand. There are appropriate places to discuss such things.

Also please respect peoples opinions, there are always 2 sides, as it stand no one is completly right at the moment. Thank You.

 

[Birchey]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

So anyone care to start a list of witnesses that should be called for this case? If it gets that far :chillin:

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Please refrain from bringing other topics like the 2005 case, Jackson family members and such into this thread unless it relates to the topic at hand. There are appropriate places to discuss such things.

Also please respect peoples opinions, there are always 2 sides, as it stand no one is completly right at the moment. Thank You.

Calling people criminals without any proof is not an opinion. It's the statement and it's the serious offense. I'm just not against an opinions. It would be enough if the people who call others criminals would say "IMO this and this individual committed the crime". This I would understand and it would be fair. Why Michael Jackson's fans want to be exactly like his biggest haters and bullies?

 

[WildStyle]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Tom Snedon, Diane Dimond, Nancy Grace and all other fans of the accusers had a great confidence too. Definitely greater then yours confidence because they took they actions. You are "fighting" on internet only. It speaks volumes about you and your "confidence".

Those 3 people had hate, prejudice and greed and that's all they had. I have none of that. And just because I didn't start a lawsuit does not mean I don't have confidence. That's just silly. Not everybody has the means to just start lawsuits. I contributed to the cause in ways that I was able to.

 

[Birchey]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Calling people criminals without any proof is not an opinion. It's the statement and it's the serious offense. I'm just not against an opinions. It would be enough if the people who call others criminals would say "IMO this and this individual committed the crime". This I would understand and it would be fair. Why Michael Jackson's fans want be exactly like his biggest haters and bullies?

Dude chill, just heed the warning posted above. This is to protect members and to keep topic on track, its clear people are posting opinions here, no one is Bullying anyone or simply hating, people are posting there opinions on this topic. Much like you and others have posted opinions on the defendant and their intentions with just as wild specualtion. Difference is the Plaintiff is a member here, so falls under our rules in that we can take action on anything deemed unfair or any name calling etc. Eddie, Porte and that are big boys, they are not known members here, if they have a complaint about whats being said here I am sure they would notify the appropriate people.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I hope everyone realizes that this thread will have those who believe Michael is not the lead singer; those who believe Michael is singing and someone else completes the songs; those who think there is no Michael singing; those who think the songs are legit; those who don't care. We also have those who agree that something is amiss, but have moved on, feel the timing is wrong, feel there is a puppet master behind this filing. Additionally, there are some who agree with this fan and welcome the filing. Some agree with the fan's cause, but don't welcome the filing. The point is this thread does not belong to any one group who share one opinion, so I don't understand why some are acting as though their view is the only legit one for the thread. Some people seem angry, at least from their posts they seem angry with the other person's point of view.

I understand the importance of not rushing to judgment, or calling the defendants names until the proof is out. However, because some fans want to do this, it does not mean they are defending Cascio/estate/sony/Porte or believe Michael is the lead singer.

I think everyone should enter this thread knowing that there will be diverse views and keep that in mind as they discuss their own opinions.

 

[HIStory]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I think in all honesty they both took possibly the only way they could to make Money from Michael also.

That's not true. The Cascios could have accused MJ of molestation too if they wanted. Well, they still could. I mean Wade's case shows we really cannot trust anyone around MJ any more. But as of now the Cascios did not sink as low as Wade/James did and hopefully they never will. But it's not true that fake songs were the only way they could try to make money. Since they were around MJ as children, often alone with him in a room, they could have gone down the Wade Robson/James Safechuck route as well. I for one am glad it's "just" fake songs, not the other way. Which is NOT to say I accept this type of betrayal, but it's no way the same level "or worse" than molestation allegations as some have said in this thread.

Since Wade and James never were in a studio with Michael for them molestation allegations are probably the only way they could try to extort money from MJ's Estate. That part is true.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Dude chill, just heed the warning posted above. This is to protect members and to keep topic on track, its clear people are posting opinions here, no one is Bullying anyone or simply hating, people are posting there opinions on this topic. Much like you and others have posted opinions on the defendant and their intentions with just as wild specualtion. Difference is the Plaintiff is a member here, so falls under our rules in that we can take action on anything deemed unfair or any name calling etc. Eddie, Porte and that are big boys, they are not known members here, if they have a complaint about whats being said here I am sure they would notify the appropriate people.

Please don't defense undefenseble. There are so many forums on the internet where Michael Jackson is still treated as criminal. I don't see any difference between the biggest Michael's haters posts over there and Cascios's haters posts here. It's the same style in reasoning, mockering and names calling using the speculations as the facts. Some of us are trying to fight with this. But now I'm thinking that it makes no sense to even protest any of the haters statements and it even immoral to do it after seeing what some Michael's fans stating here.

 

[Tygger]

It's really sad to see that some fans are still defending those bastards and their songs. Sad, sad, really really sad. And possible only in Michael Jackson fan community. No Beatles or Elvis fan would allow this to happen. Sad.

I cannot speak for other fan communities however; I have always found it somewhat disturbing that some Michael Jackson fans became such fervent fans of others who have been in his life for professional and/or personal reasons. After Michael passed, I found some will vocally support those others over Michael.

The appearance of these faux songs on the Michael cd was not a solo action, i.e., there were others involved to get said Cascio tracks on the Michael cd. Some Michael Jackson fans are fans of those persons/parties who assisted and I am unsure if disappointment is an adequate description for how they may feel if the defendants are found liable of wrong doing. For this reason, low costs, and to prevent skepticism of future releases, this case may very well be settled almost immediately if a judge decides this case is valid.

The defendants will hope, as Michael did with his settlement of the first allegations that all of this will go away. A settlement is not an admittance of wrongdoing so, the faux songs will most likely remain in Michael’s catalog and that is what will disappoint me.

There's no general rule that says people with strong cases doesn't settle - especially in civil cases, people settle for many reasons which doesn't necessarily mean guilt/innocence /liability or strong/weak case.

Ivy, no need to attempt to persuade me. I was not part of the group who believed defendants with strong cases do not settle.

I don't get why people compare it to Wade & Safechuck, saying how this is at least "better" than accusing MJ of molestation. Just because that's a more severe betrayal doesn't mean that what Eddie did is not a betrayal. I know that as MJ fans we've gotten used to people screwing MJ over, but that doesn't mean we should start rationalizing or accepting everything that is not as severe as accusing MJ of molestation.

These fake tracks being a part of MJ's official discography is a disgrace. His music was everything to Michael. "The creator will go, but his work survives. That's why to escape death, I attempt to bind my soul to my work." And that's exactly what he did.

I think what happened is terrible for many reasons. But especially when I take into account how MJ cared deeply about his work, I really have trouble understanding how some fans can believe these tracks are fake but not care about this issue being resolved.

Agreed however; I do not see one betrayal as more severe than the other. Michael lived through many betrayals in his lifetime and there is no fan who was intimate enough with Michael to truly say which betrayal injured the man the most.

We saw him live through two false accusations however; we never saw him live through someone attempting to tarnish his art in this manner which, as you stated (and I believe you stated it correctly), Michael bound his soul to. He lived through trials of others stating he stole their so-called art (a song or such) but, I am not aware of Michael ever pursuing someone who stole his art. I am actually glad he never had to live through that.

 

[passy001]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

So you are suggesting that the Estate makes up fantasy figures to fool the fans? Some will go far to nail the Estate, it appears...

That is actually the REAL agenda. This thing won't survive summary judgment.

I also hear people claiming the suit can be used to overthrow the executors. good luck with that.

 

[passy001]

The defendants will hope, as Michael did with his settlement of the first allegations that all of this will go away. A settlement is not an admittance of wrongdoing so, the faux songs will most likely remain in Michael’s catalog and that is what will disappoint me.

Just curious. Have you spoken with the defendants? How do you know they hope to settle? It's quite a staggering allegation right there.

 

[Tygger]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Passy001, please read the preceding paragraph or at least the last sentence in that preceding paragraph.

 

[passy001]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

You misunderstood my words. The betrayal is the same or even worse. I'm not comparing false allegations with faking the songs. It can't be compared. But the betrayal can. Also the motive can be compared because it is the same = money.

And it is not "controversial songs". It is fake songs. Huge difference.

That's no different than those who openly claim MJ is a pedophile even despite his acquittal in 2005.

until those songs are proven "fake" in the court of law, they remain controversial. simple as that.

 

[soulmum]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I will be happy to see this go to court but only if there is a difinitive answer at the end of it. You will have 'experts' who are for and against the vocals being Michael's so that to me is a stalemate. Be wonderful if there is some sort of machine which can prove the truth beyond a doubt - they seem to manage it on '24' with Keifer Sutherland. lol

 

[LastTear]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

That is actually the REAL agenda. This thing won't survive summary judgment.

I also hear people claiming the suit can be used to overthrow the executors. good luck with that.

Hear that claim on here? If so that was me, not making a claim but asking the question as it concerned me.

 

[Electro]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I am not downing the Estate their have done a good job but why let this happen why liar to MJ fans we dersever the truth. Remember the interview Michael did with OW she was talking about the media how the tell liars. Do you think this is Cascio? The more often a person tell a liar the more time you hear a liar you begin to beliver if if is told often enough you start to beliver it. Does anybody think this is Cascio is he going to keep on saying that this is Michael on these tracks just a question that came to mine.

a lie = something not true
a liar = a person telling something not true

Sorry, couldn't resist.. lol

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

well said. best post of the thread. also the post abit futher up about the real agenda. becausr theres so many issues with the estate you also have to take into account any motives there maybe interms of this being used to go after the executors. like others said you do wonder if there are any motives behind this other than the obvious because to me from what ive reas some seem overly obsessed with this saying betraying mj on a professional level by faking songs is worse than a betrayal on a personal level. that to me is ludicrous and i wonder why theres the need to even claim that

I hope everyone realizes that this thread will have those who believe Michael is not the lead singer; those who believe Michael is singing and someone else completes the songs; those who think there is no Michael singing; those who think the songs are legit; those who don't care. We also have those who agree that something is amiss, but have moved on, feel the timing is wrong, feel there is a puppet master behind this filing. Additionally, there are some who agree with this fan and welcome the filing. Some agree with the fan's cause, but don't welcome the filing. The point is this thread does not belong to any one group who share one opinion, so I don't understand why some are acting as though their view is the only legit one for the thread. Some people seem angry, at least from their posts they seem angry with the other person's point of view.

I understand the importance of not rushing to judgment, or calling the defendants names until the proof is out. However, because some fans want to do this, it does not mean they are defending Cascio/estate/sony/Porte or believe Michael is the lead singer.

I think everyone should enter this thread knowing that there will be diverse views and keep that in mind as they discuss their own opinions.

 

[Electro]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

To be honest, I rely more on people like Bruce Swedien, Teddy Riley and Greh Phillinganes over what appears to rabid MJ-fans. Just my opinion.

They might have worked with Michael on a few occasions in their lifes, but i'm sure they have not listened day in day out over years to Michaels voice and music like many Michael Jackson fans have.

So yes, those are some "big" names in MJ context... but having them comment on this doesn't automaticly mean it's the gospel.

Some of them might have also held back suspicions in favour to not escalate the situation back then, or to simply play along with the estate to not shut the door to being possibly considered for future MJ projects. You never know all that.

There havn't even been any exact quotes from them. Just what the propaganda made out of it. I'm pretty sure that none of them gave a 100% positive "Yes, that's Michael Jackson."

Ohhh, the infamous Estate statement from Howard Weitzman, surely we should just take their word for it right? Considering Bruce Swedien has never said ANYTHING in regards to see these songs, AT ALL. He's never even co-signed that statement by even stating he was there. Cory Rooney, says he was there, he says nobody was as unanimous as that statement implies, and that many of those same names, never said it was Michael. Why would he lie about that? Teddy Riley has since come out and implyed that he never wanted anything to do with the songs initially, but was just "waiting for a real Michael song", he's also said he's being used as a scapegoat.

So sorry, but contrary to your belief, it's more than just "rabid MJ-fans" who don't think these songs are Michael.

Interesting!
Quincy Jones was also there i think. He later also talked to Roger Friedman about it. But he just said something like the vocals were heavily processed or so ...maybe saying this to excuse his(by now) bad ears.

 

[dam2040]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I'm surprised that even after the Breaking News acapella people still believe these are him. I'm sure someone will prove these things were recorded after he died and this woman will hopefully win this ending this fraud of 4 odd years.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I see theres a pic of the accuser on another board. posing with branca at the bad 25 premier. i find that abit strange

 

[LastTear]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I see theres a pic of the accuser on another board. posing with branca at the bad 25 premier. i find that abit strange

Oh idk, Michael hugged a lot of people who then went on to sue him....... They make a cute couple though.

 

[MIST]

Dr. Papcun prepared a report and concluded that it was very likely that Michael Jackson did not sing the lead vocals on the Cascio trakcs.

I do not interpret it as saying that Michel did not sing on those tracks.
It´s more like he probably didn´t sing but the expert wasn´t sure.

 

[WildStyle]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Are we really going to turn the so called "accuser" into a villain now? Gimme a break. They are doing nothing different than the vast majority of this board has done since the premier of Breaking News. Questioning the authenticity of the vocals. Only difference is they are doing something about it legally. And what is so wrong with that?

 

[Victory22]

That is actually the REAL agenda. This thing won't survive summary judgment.

I also hear people claiming the suit can be used to overthrow the executors. good luck with that.

Thank you for your post. This thread is scary/crazy in the sense that it has the same feel and tone as the internet bullies/haters that accuse Michael of molestation even after he was acquitted. The truth is that I don’t care how good an ear anyone thinks they have nothing has been proven in a court of law! The attacks need to be toned down a few hundred octave’s until definitive proof is shown. I personally feel there are other motives behind this lawsuit but I am not afraid to wait and see what FACTS this fan can show. I won't be surprised when or if the only evidence that turns up in this case is the usual estate haters who keep beating that same old tired dead horse year after year on into infinity.

 

[LastTear]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Are we really going to turn the so called "accuser" into a villain now? Gimme a break. They are doing nothing different than the vast majority of this board has done since the premier of Breaking News. Questioning the authenticity of the vocals. Only difference is they are doing something about it legally. And what is so wrong with that?

Unless I missed something nobody on here is turning her into a villain. I have just caught up on twitter and I am shocked at how some have turned this into a conspiracy, I have seen it all now.