Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

You would not have problem with Cascios if Tarryl had not talked about it. It is my opinion and this is what I do believe in. Of course you will tell differently and I don't have to believe you.

Hahaha.. Because I am a huge fan of Taryll.

 

[analogue]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Hahaha.. Because I am a huge fan of Taryll.

I have a shrine built in his honor

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

From what I've read on this forum there are more Anti-Jackson people than there are Anti-Cascio people

There is no Anti-Cascio people at all. I never seen any. There is only anti-fake songs (whoever made them) on official Michael Jackson album people.

But yeah, there is a lot of anti-Jacksons people here.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Why wouldn't the Estate ask for proof from The Cascio's? Asking for them to provide proof is just common sense

The Estate already sold MJ's catalog to Sony and it was decided no Cascio's songs in new releases (for awhile at least). What the reason to even care about it. Because of some fans opinion? Look "Michael" CD with such big controversy and with no good promotion at all still sells better than Xscape (which of course is a lot better album). It easy to see that there is a lot bigger problem that the alleged 3 fake songs on Michael album. The general public is not even aware of this and is not even interested in knowing about it. The big problem is in the heads of only some obsessed fans, who should to start class action lawsuit long time ago to find the truth about it. At least I would do it if it had bother me so much.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

There is no Anti-Cascio people at all. I never seen any. There is only anti-fake songs (whoever made them) on official Michael Jackson album people.

But yeah, there is a lot of anti-Jacksons people here.

It's of course your opinion and I have different one about this subjects.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

The Estate already sold MJ's catalog to Sony

What???????? Are you serious? When you became a fan? Yesterday? Michael Jackson's Mijac catalog is 100% in Estate's ownership. Also MJ's Estate owns 50% of Sony ATV Music Publishing!!!

In 2010 they signed a new deal with Sony to extend their distribution rights to his back catalogue until at least 2017, as well as to obtain permission to release ten new albums with previously unreleased material and new collections of released work. The deal was unprecedented in the music industry as it is the most expensive music contract pertaining to a single artist in history; it reportedly involved Sony Music paying $250 million for the deal, with the Jackson estate getting the full sum as well as its share of royalties for all works released.

DISTRIBUTION RIGHTS - that is only thing that Sony have.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

It's of course your opinion and I have different one about this subjects.

No, it is not my opinion.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Hahaha.. Because I am a huge fan of Taryll.

You don't have to be a fan of Taryll AT ALL to believe in his story. For me personally he is not sincere but I don't mind if you think differently.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

You don't have to be a fan of Taryll AT ALl to believe in his story.

I don't believe in "his story". I believe in truth. I have my own ears and my own brain. I listen to his voice for 20 years and I think I can recognize Michael Jackson from a goat.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

No, it is not my opinion.

If you state something in your post then it is your opinion because you don't have ANY PROOF that your statement is THE TRUTH.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I don't believe in "his story". I believe in truth. I have my own ears and my own brain. I listen to his voice for 20 years and I think I can recognize Michael Jackson from a goat.

Okay you won. LOL.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

If you state something in your post then it is your opinion because you don't have ANY PROOF that your statement is THE TRUTH.

I have plenty of proofs:

1. Wanna Be Startin' Something 2008 - recorded with the same people, same equipment, in the same studio, that very same month - Michael Jackson sounds perfect, he sounds like Michael Jackson
2. Hold My Hand - recorded that very same year, few months later - Michael Jackson sounds perfect, he sounds like Michael Jackson
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13glEGiyXSw
...

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Okay you won. LOL.

I know.

 

[Hess]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I am not sure it will ever go to court though...

Will be intresting to follow.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Sorry, but you are simply making up unplausible scenarios. This is not hiding some unregistered material from someone so that some idea or song cannot be stolen. Here we are talking about songs that the Estate/Sony bought from the Cascios and which were released. After the songs were registered and released there was no reason to hide outtakes and backup material when the songs' authenticity was questioned. No one can steal a song that is already registered and published, so there was no risk involved in Eddie showing backup material for these songs.

Who is talking about the songs. We are discussing about the files Taryl was looking for. There was no a reason to "deliver" them after selling alleged demos. Yes it was estate/Sony fault they didn't pursue for more material at that time but it's not necessary that it doesn't exist. Again MJ spent too much time in this basement for recording just the little Thriller25 piece. If I remember such great piece of art as Thriller was created in 3 months. There is no doubt in my mind that MJ wasn't able to sing full 12 songs at least once during the time he lived in this basement. Who said it was masterpiece. Eddie and Porte could be bad producers, still they could be able to work on the project more consistently than MJ always used to work. In the end it was Eddie piece of property and he may have different habits about using it than Michael. Regarding the work habits, Michael was always more excited about creative process then finishing the projects. Cascio and Porte may have different approach to the studio's work and maybe they were able to do the job their way. In the end I personally would never ever "destroy" all the files with even the smallest MJ's thing on them and of course I would treasure everything until I would be ready to share it with the world. There could be swearing on the files, there could be some other embarrassing things (like sex talk or some gossip talk, etc) so I would have more reasons to not "sell" it for awhile to anybody. Of course it's my speculations but they are not less "credible" than your speculations about the fraud. Because the songs don't suit some of MJ's fans liking it doesn't necessary mean they are fake. I hope we will be able to find the truth soon. And I personally like KYHU very much, so I would be very disappointed if it wasn't Michael singing it.

 

[kreen]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

"Authorship: sound recording, performance, production, compilation, LYRICS."

Authorship!!! He is the co-author of sound recording, performance that contains production and lyrics. Eddie may have registrated songs recorded by James Porte (demos) that MJ helped writing & producing.

"authorship" of "performance" is the expression that is used in copyrights records to denote, basically, you either singing or playing on a track. For instance, this is how "Best of Joy" is registered :

Michael J. Jackson, -2009; Domicile: United States; Citizenship: United States. Authorship: performance, production.

So the MJSongbook registration says that MJ either sang or played an instrument on the sound recording that was registered. You're right though that we don't know how many songs there are in that file. Like I said, it doesn't prove that MJ really sings or plays on that sound recording, but it means that Eddie was already claiming, 2 days after MJ's death, that he was.

 

[kreen]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Why wouldn't the Estate ask for proof from The Cascio's? Asking for them to provide proof is just common sense

Who's to say they didn't? See, that's the thing : the Estate's official position is still : those songs are legit. So they must have some sort of basis for that line of defence. It the lawsuit goes forward, hopefully we'll see what they have.

The whole business about Eddie saying he doesn't have any outtakes is based on two things that are far from certain : one, that he really did say that; and two, that he wasn't lying when he said it.

You can't take as gospel Cory Rooney's version of that listening session : that's only what HE says. Somebody who was there could contradict his version. And I should remind people that Rooney was angry his song wasn't used on "Michael". Has he said anything about the Cascio tracks now that the Estate has used his song on Xscape?

 

[kreen]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I have plenty of proofs:

1. Wanna Be Startin' Something 2008 - recorded with the same people, same equipment, in the same studio, that very same month - Michael Jackson sounds perfect, he sounds like Michael Jackson
2. Hold My Hand - recorded that very same year, few months later - Michael Jackson sounds perfect, he sounds like Michael Jackson
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13glEGiyXSw
...

You may have 20 years' experience listening to MJ, and very good ears, but you don't know what proof is, if you think that is proof.

Proof is hopefully what will come out of that lawsuit, one way or another.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Rooney was angry his song wasn't used on "Michael".

FALSE! He didn't allow his song to be on MICHAEL along with fake songs.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

"authorship" of "performance" is the expression that is used in copyrights records to denote, basically, you either singing or playing on a track. For instance, this is how "Best of Joy" is registered :

Michael J. Jackson, -2009; Domicile: United States; Citizenship: United States. Authorship: performance, production.

So the MJSongbook registration says that MJ either sang or played an instrument on the sound recording that was registered. You're right though that we don't know how many songs there are in that file. Like I said, it doesn't prove that MJ really sings or plays on that sound recording, but it means that Eddie was already claiming, 2 days after MJ's death, that he was.

Yeah, "authorship" of "performance" not performer of the performance. He can be author of James Porte song. Or like you said, he may have performed/played an instrument like fingersnaps. But it does not say that Michael Jackson is the performer of that performance.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

You may have 20 years' experience listening to MJ, and very good ears, but you don't know what proof is, if you think that is proof.

Ok, how are you explaining now differences between Wanna Be Startin' Something 2008, Hold My Hand and 12 Cascio tracks, now that your gruesome theory about MJ's health has been proven wrong?

 

[Electro]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

It's news to me that Thriller 25 contained any new 2007~2008 recorded vocals by Michael.
Which version on that release are you referring to?
I remember some version contained alternative takes of Michael, but those were clearly from the 80s.

 

[analogue]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Here's proof. The singer on the Cascio songs sounds like Jason Malachi. Listen to a Jason Malachi song and then listen to a Cascio song. The singers sound the same

 

[SoCav]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

It's news to me that Thriller 25 contained any new 2007~2008 recorded vocals by Michael.
Which version on that release are you referring to?
I remember some version contained alternative takes of Michael, but those were clearly from the 80s.

The verse on WBSS 2008 which is on every release of the album (as far as I know).

 

[Electro]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

The verse on WBSS 2008 which is on every release of the album (as far as I know).

So that Akon Version.
Ok. Michaels verse in there is definitly a take from the 80s.
Listen to his voice... that's not mature MJ. Thats Thriller-days-Michael.
I thought this was kind of obvious?

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

So that Akon Version.
Ok. Michaels verse in there is definitly a take from the 80s.

No. It is not. Recorded in 2007 at Cascio basement.

 

[Electro]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Impossible...

Maybe he recorded something there, but that can't have made it into the final version.
Just listen to "cryyyin" at the end of his verse ..the tone of his voice is soo Thriller-days-young-MJ. He never sounded like this again after Thriller.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Impossible...

Maybe he recorded something there, but that can't have made it into the final version.
Just listen to "cryyyin" at the end of his verse ..the tone of his voice is soo Thriller-days-young-MJ. He never sounded like this again after Thriller.

It's from 2007. And that is our point from day 1. Michael's voice didn't change much since Thriller and he never ever sounded anything like that Cascio vocalist.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Ok, how are you explaining now differences between Wanna Be Startin' Something 2008, Hold My Hand and 12 Cascio tracks, now that your gruesome theory about MJ's health has been proven wrong?

Who was talking lately about MJ's health. What we know now he was very healthy then especially when being fed really well. The only thing could be different is that he would get drunk faster then Cascios since they had at least one bottle of vine for dinner since they were children ( as most Italians have). However by this time he probably used to be an "Italian" with them already and could have even more vine for himself than the others. We know he liked vine very much and for sure Cascios didn't mind him having it.

 

[HIStory]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Who is talking about the songs. We are discussing about the files Taryl was looking for. There was no a reason to "deliver" them after selling alleged demos.

Yeah, you are right. When people question the authenticity of songs you provided I can see no reason for you provide evidence and defend your integrity. You try to make up all kind of complicated scenarios for why Eddie never provided evidence but none of that makes much sense. But now hopefully this case will give him a chance to provide all the evidence he keeps locked up in a safe according to your speculations.