Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

You know we (fans) cant say its fake if only evidence is that it doesnt sound like MJ. (he was in bad shape,sick,or tired,angry... no matter.He cant produce every song flawlessy.Maybe Cascio didnt have enough material to work with,i mean usefull vocals so they used what they had).
No one proved opossite yet... maybewe figure it out soon...

DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN EARLIER THIS YEAR DEMO OF ILTWYL LEAKED,EVERYONE WAS SAYING ITS FAKE,OF BEAT ETC UNTIL STEVE CONFIRMED ITS REAL? IT PROVES THAT MJ ISNT PERFECT.
IF ESTATE proves all 1 Cascio songs are Michaels,ill accept it.Why cant you?

"he was in bad shape,sick,or tired,angry"

Completely FALSE and already proven wrong. He was in perfect health as seen in The Last Photo Shoots. Also the Cascios claimed MJ was in great condition, eating a lot of Italian cuisine and getting a good night sleep, being restful and happy.

Also, please record yourself when you are sick and then play the tape to your mother and ask her if she can recognize who is on the tape. I'm sure your mother will know it's you even if you are sick. Being sick does not change you accent and pronunciation, it does not make you white young Italian-American.

"Maybe Cascio didnt have enough material to work with"

That is are point. They didn't have MJ's voice. The thing is that the all lead vocals on all 12 songs sound exactly the same (sung by the same person) so it can't be some MJ and some impersonator - it is all one person, 1 lead vocal.

"FAKE,OF BEAT" - meaning not official mix, not fake vocals! It still sounded 100% like MJ.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

OK, if MJ was in bad shape, sick of goat virus, tired or angry.....

Why Jason Malachi sung those lines of the Cascio song, "Ready2win", on a public performance of "A hero fell" with the same tone, same accent, etc....?

"A Hero Fell Live": 18:37-18:40 or 19:42 :

https://soundcloud.com/jason-malachi-exclusive/jason-malachi-live-rock-and

Compare when he sung (''Oh my friend'') on that public performance of "A Hero Fell" with the same "Oh my friend" in "Ready2win"......

He was also tired, sick or angry?.

By the way, "Gone 2 Soon" by Mr.Cupeta:

https://soundcloud.com/jasonmalachiwikiare/gone-too-soon-michael-jackson
 
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Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

1.) Fair enough.
2.) Again, if you were tune with all of this, few of us actually think money was Eddie's motive. And we've already explained why the Estate were willing. Perhaps they weren't that willing at all, but jumped the gun on these songs, with the hopes of 12 brand new Michael Jackson songs, thats a whole album of never before heard MJ songs, which equals great profit for them. They were willing to overlook certain red flags. But perhaps they may have been legally binded and by then it was too late for them to do anything against the already planned for release tracks.
3.) Okay.
4.) Sorry to hear that.
5.) People thought the demo was fan-made because of the beat. Nobody ever claimed that it wasn't Michael singing.
6.) All of those things have been disputed and destroyed in the face of such disputes.

2.)
thats possible.Maybe estate rush on it and they overlooked certain things...

oKAY,well see... what future holds.I hope trial will be over soon...
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

"he was in bad shape,sick,or tired,angry"

Completely FALSE and already proven wrong. He was in perfect health as seen in The Last Photo Shoots. Also the Cascios claimed MJ was in great condition, eating a lot of Italian cuisine and getting a good night sleep, being restful and happy.

Also, please record yourself when you are sick and then play the tape to your mother and ask her if she can recognize who is on the tape. I'm sure your mother will know it's you even if you are sick. Being sick does not change you accent and pronunciation, it does not make you white young Italian-American.

"Maybe Cascio didnt have enough material to work with"

That is are point. They didn't have MJ's voice. The thing is that the all lead vocals on all 12 songs sound exactly the same (sung by the same person) so it can't be some MJ and some impersonator - it is all one person, 1 lead vocal.

"FAKE,OF BEAT" - meaning not official mix, not fake vocals! It still sounded 100% like MJ.

i agree with you.
Unless someone leaks a footage or audio recording of Mj in studio with cascios or cascios discussing how to make fraud,we can only wait and see what happens with this trial.
 
Condor9333;4022805 said:
I meant modern sounds,electronic betas ,instrumentals and dissorted voice in few songs...
Yeah i know MJ voice,but maybe Michael really sung Cascio sons,you cant know for sure if it is him or not.
You know we (fans) cant say its fake if only evidence is that it doesnt sound like MJ. (he was in bad shape,sick,or tired,angry... no matter.He cant produce every song flawlessy.Maybe Cascio didnt have enough material to work with,i mean usefull vocals so they used what they had).
No one proved opossite yet... maybewe figure it out soon...

No one said MJ is perfect, but he's never been this bad, no matter what. It's not about it not being flawless - it's about being horrible. And it's not like he's got an off moment with one song but all 12 songs are just horrible struggle vocals and do not sound like anything he's ever done. And just these 12 songs. Never before, never after. It's more than strange - and then there are the other strange circumstances like the complete lack of backup material for any of these 12 songs. Because Michael supposedly asked them to delete everything because he was so pleased with these songs? With THESE songs? With this performance? Michael Jackson the perfectionist was soooooo satisfied with this? You must be kidding me! Another version is that the hard drives simply got destroyed. There have been so many conflicting excuses. It's just all very odd, but hopefully a trial could give us a clearer picture.

And reading the bodyguard's book: he was not sick when he stayed at the Cascios. In fact, that was one of the best periods for him, he was upbeat, happy and he even gained some weight according to the BGs. So the "he was sick, angry, in bad shape" excuse does not seem to fly.

And even if this is really Michael (which I very highly doubt, but let's say for argument's sake), then they should have never released these tracks out of respect for him and his legacy, because he's never been this bad. His Estate isn't just there to make money. They are also there to protect his artistic legacy, not to ruin it.


ETA: Here is the part about the Cascios from the BGs book. Michael wasn't sick at all. On the contrary.

You could tell that he and the Cascios had a long history together. He was so relaxed and happy there. That was one of the best times I remember as far as him being in a good place, just relaxing around other people . We’d never seen him like that before. I knew he was happy, because one day, I went to pick him up and he got in the car and I said, “Mr. Jackson, looks like you’ve gained weight a little bit. You look good.” He said, “Yeah, Javon. I’m eating good. Angel’s mom is making me fat. They’re feeding me all kinds of Italian food. The kids can’t get enough.”
 
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Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

This was made several years ago during my case, a friend sent it to me last night, I'll share the link. Its a mix of Burn Tonite and Mamacita, its demonstrates clearly that Jason is interchangeable without notice on his own and the cascio tracks.

https://cdn.anonfiles.com/1403447914569.mp3

If this civil case gets to evidence stage, and Vera is allowed access to the raw vocal files and copyright claims, I feel its game over.
 
Someone should put that recording outside the Court for the Judge:

Well, also "Let me let go vs Monster", "Keep your head up vs Room2Breath", "Water Vs Without you/I can´t live without you"....

It could be so funny if the Cascios enter the court with those comparisons.
 
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Kapital77;4022856 said:
Someone should put that recording outside the Court for the Judge:

Well, also "Let me let go vs Monster", "Keep your head up vs Room2Breath", "Water Vs Without you/I can´t live with out you"....

It could be so funny if the Cascios enter the court with those comparisons.

Need Keyboard cat to play Mamacita on the way out of court. Play them off Keyboard cat xD
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Alot of us put more merit on what Taryll has said

yeah I'm aware of that but I feel it's a double standard. Other people's statements are called lies for no proof shown but Taryll's accepted as fact while it's nothing more than a statement too. Plus ever consider even if it was said that it could be a lie. Such as Taryll demanding stuff from Cascio and he's being replied with we deleted them - basically a version of f**k off. And who confirmed it? Cory Rooney?

, he clearly doesn't have a reason to lie

so enlighten me what is Weitzman's reason to lie? He's not an executor with 5% fee, he's just a lawyer who gets his legal fees. he's a top lawyer with many celebrity clients so he could earn his legal fees from other clients. he's in high demand. So what is his reason to put his name under a statement - which according to you nothing but lies - and risk his career and reputation?


Either way we are just on a forum and not in a court

yes we are so I don't get why any of you so angrily trying to prove stuff or fight here? So what if others don't believe or think like that? A case is won in a courtroom and decided by a judge and a jury.

what future holds.I hope trial will be over soon...

trial? it won't be. Even getting to the trial phase probably would take years.

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oh and a little realistic approach. playing comparisons in court? neither judge nor the jury would be knowledgeable about Michael's or Malachi's voice to start with. So they wouldn't be able to identify anyone from voice comparisons. Just from a common sense approach I don't see any lawyer playing comparisons and trusting jury's ears for a correct identification - especially when research shows that people cannot identify people they aren't familiar with. More realistic approach would be to use experts.
 
ivy;4022858 said:
trial? it won't be. Even getting to the trial phase probably would take years.

Why are you so sure there will be no trial?. A trial it´s necesary for the JUSTICE of Michael Jackson´s music.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Why are you so sure there will be no trial?.

I didn't say there won't be a trial.

condor asked "I hope the trial will be over soon..." and I replied "it won't be" meaning it won't be over soon. the rest of the sentence explains it would take years to get to the trial phase - meaning the initial demurrer, discovery, motions would take years even before a trial could happen.

ETA: I have no idea if a trial will happen or not, it's way too early to tell as they even haven't been served or shown appearance in the case. As I said before, the plaintiff has a decent chance due to the expert report but we'll wait and see. you cannot tell the strength/weakness of a claim without seeing what the opposite side is saying. If the documents are accessible to us (I don't know yet if they will be) and if we can see the opposing argument we can somewhat get a better idea about the chances - although you can never really predict an outcome. If we can't see the documents then we'll be in the dark.
 
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Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

No one said MJ is perfect, but he's never been this bad, no matter what. It's not about it not being flawless - it's about being horrible. And it's not like he's got an off moment with one song but all 12 songs are just horrible struggle vocals and do not sound like anything he's ever done. And just these 12 songs. Never before, never after. It's more than strange - and then there are the other strange circumstances like the complete lack of backup material for any of these 12 songs. Because Michael supposedly asked them to delete everything because he was so pleased with these songs? With THESE songs? With this performance? Michael Jackson the perfectionist was soooooo satisfied with this? You must be kidding me! Another version is that the hard drives simply got destroyed. There have been so many conflicting excuses. It's just all very odd, but hopefully a trial could give us a clearer picture.

And reading the bodyguard's book: he was not sick when he stayed at the Cascios. In fact, that was one of the best periods for him, he was upbeat, happy and he even gained some weight according to the BGs. So the "he was sick, angry, in bad shape" excuse does not seem to fly.

And even if this is really Michael (which I very highly doubt, but let's say for argument's sake), then they should have never released these tracks out of respect for him and his legacy, because he's never been this bad. His Estate isn't just there to make money. They are also there to protect his artistic legacy, not to ruin it.


ETA: Here is the part about the Cascios from the BGs book. Michael wasn't sick at all. On the contrary.

These are some of the excuses I just don't get.

On the one hand, we have:

Michael was SO satisfied and happy with these songs he wanted other takes destroyed. Since when was Michael completely happy with anything? He admitted that himself. For example, he wasn't happy with Motown Billie Jean performance and that performance has gone down in history. So how could these songs be up there with some of his top amazing performances? He would work on ONE song for YEARS and still not be quite satisfied with it, but yet, 12 songs sounding like they do was enough for him? Unless Michael changed his entire way of creating music, I find that hard to believe.

Paradoxically, Michael was SO happy with these performances, yet the songs needed ad libs added to them cuz Michael didn't do any. If Mike loved these songs he would have gone crazy with ad libs, really feelin' the songs, the emotions.

Michael was SO happy with these songs, they needed as much processing to make them sound complete? Or some other voice to fill in the gaps? He would be happy with that?

How does that make any sense?

They're simply not him.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I didn't say there won't be a trial.

condor asked "I hope the trial will be over soon..." and I replied "it won't be" meaning it won't be over soon. the rest of the sentence explains it would take years to get to the trial phase - meaning the initial demurrer, discovery, motions would take years even before a trial could happen.

Ahhh, ok, sorry, looked like you were saying it was impossible.

:cheers:
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

yeah I'm aware of that but I feel it's a double standard. Other people's statements are called lies for no proof shown but Taryll's accepted as fact while it's nothing more than a statement too. Plus ever consider even if it was said that it could be a lie. Such as Taryll demanding stuff from Cascio and he's being replied with we deleted them - basically a version of f**k off. And who confirmed it? Cory Rooney?

Its not only Taryll though, I am sure you are aware of who else can confirm what went on in those meetings and am not talking about Corey, hopefully this will come out as the case progresses.

so enlighten me what is Weitzman's reason to lie? He's not an executor with 5% fee, he's just a lawyer who gets his legal fees. he's a top lawyer with many celebrity clients so he could earn his legal fees from other clients. he's in high demand. So what is his reason to put his name under a statement - which according to you nothing but lies - and risk his career and reputation?

Weitzmans reason to lie............mmmmmmmm, tricky one, how about because he was paid to release that statement and why did he have to release it? Why not a statement from the Estate like we usually get for everything else? I know he lied in that statement, you can't fob me off with the maybe this or maybe that, its pretty clear to a few of us he lied, and if we were not asked to talk about it until a certain time a lot more people would know he lied.

yes we are so I don't get why any of you so angrily trying to prove stuff or fight here? So what if others don't believe or think like that? A case is won in a courtroom and decided by a judge and a jury.

So Angrily? Trying to prove stuff here? Maybe because this is a Michael Jackson forum, and there are alot of people here who are just putting in their 2 cents, plus the sh*t ton of research and evidence we have all done.

See heres the problem, I am treating this place as a discussion forum, giving my opinion like everyone else posting here, I understand this is not a court room or an official channel, its a forum we are going backwards and forwards in discussion. You treat this place like a courtroom and don't give your opinion on the songs, do you think Michael Jackson sung on those songs? I would love to know this, just an opinion on how you think the whole scenario went down. In your opinion is everything Weitzman said in that statement factual? Because for those of us giving our opinions we are commiting to this emotionally, and opening ourselves up for criticism and not hiding behind this "you can't prove it 100% so everything you suggest is a lie" attitude.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Its not only Taryll though, I am sure you are aware of who else can confirm what went on in those meetings and am not talking about Corey, hopefully this will come out as the case progresses.



Weitzmans reason to lie............mmmmmmmm, tricky one, how about because he was paid to release that statement and why did he have to release it? Why not a statement from the Estate like we usually get for everything else? I know he lied in that statement, you can't fob me off with the maybe this or maybe that, its pretty clear to a few of us he lied, and if we were not asked to talk about it until a certain time a lot more people would know he lied.



So Angrily? Trying to prove stuff here? Maybe because this is a Michael Jackson forum, and there are alot of people here who are just putting in their 2 cents, plus the sh*t ton of research and evidence we have all done.

See heres the problem, I am treating this place as a discussion forum, giving my opinion like everyone else posting here, I understand this is not a court room or an official channel, its a forum we are going backwards and forwards in discussion. You treat this place like a courtroom and don't give your opinion on the songs, do you think Michael Jackson sung on those songs? I would love to know this, just an opinion on how you think the whole scenario went down. In your opinion is everything Weitzman said in that statement factual? Because for those of us giving our opinions we are commiting to this emotionally, and opening ourselves up for criticism and not hiding behind this "you can't prove it 100% so everything you suggest is a lie" attitude.


This. All of this.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

its pretty clear to a few of us he lied
plus the sh*t ton of research and evidence we have all done.

perhaps if you all shared your research and evidence we wouldn't have these issues. I'm aware of your research groups and some of the claims you make (but refuse to give details) but you haven't really shared it with the rest of us. Perhaps you are right and there is "sh*t ton of evidence" but you can't really get angry with others if you aren't sharing what you know and they operate on less information.

You treat this place like a courtroom and don't give your opinion on the songs, do you think Michael Jackson sung on those songs? I would love to know this, just an opinion on how you think the whole scenario went down.

no I don't and please you know that I gave my opinion hundreds of times on the great album thread. You also should know I gave my opinion to you in private as well. If you need a small refresher in short I don't think it's 100% Michael and I make no claims to be correct. My main difference is how I approach and classify things when compared to others. Whoisit89 was able to remember it a short while ago. It was brought up a few pages back, I had expressed my approach to this situation in general so I just don't feel the need to write it 15,678th time especially when I believe this thread is about the case the fan brought against Cascio/Sony/Estate and NOT "our opinions about authenticity for the millionth time".
 
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Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

The Way You Love Me, there was nothing fake about it, a few fans only who didn't know its origins thought it wasn't MIchaels original demo because the best was off tempo. I and many others knew this was official since 2011 and once a source we had let people know this, its accept by all and we didn't even have any hand in making the tracks. A stark contrast to Eddie and Co who made these songs but no matter how many excuses they pull up and then change we don't believe them for good reason.
Plus, Damien confirmed MJ never heard that version let alone laid down vocals to it. It was an idea worked on after his death (presumably for the Michael album). It's as much a demo as an early mix of Timbaland's version of Slave to the Rhythm is a demo - both have nothing to do with MJ.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

So, where are all these investigation groups, and where is all the evidence? I would love to be involved in this and see the evidence =) I have never for one second believed these 12 tracks are Michael and in my opinion, anyone who thinks they are shouldn't really be claiming to be a fan, as you clearly do not know the voice of the artists you are apparently fanatical about.
 
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Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

The Way You Love Me, there was nothing fake about it, a few fans only who didn't know its origins thought it wasn't MIchaels original demo because the best was off tempo. I and many others knew this was official since 2011 and once a source we had let people know this, its accept by all and we didn't even have any hand in making the tracks. A stark contrast to Eddie and Co who made these songs but no matter how many excuses they pull up and then change we don't believe them for good reason.

So, is it a real demo (made before 2004 released version) - from around 2000 or is it work in progress for MICHAEL album from 2010? I'm confused now. It sounds nothing like demo to me, but some members here were saying that it is the original demo.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Why is it that as soon as I got "exclusive" information (my exchange with Angelo Montrone), I happily and immediately shared it with the world to see, while the anti-Cascio side only ever "hints" at what they have. "Corey Rooney said..." Ok, how about posting that email then? "Brad Buxer thinks..." Really, let's see the email!

With them, it's always this conspiracy tone, "You'll see one day, just you wait, I can't say more right now.." Just come out with it already, if you have anything.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I have never for one second believed these 12 tracks are Michael and in my opinion, anyone who thinks they are shouldn't really be claiming to be a fan, as you clearly do not know the voice of the artists you are apparently fanatical about.

This is the problem with this controversial debate. Why can't some of you respect other FANS' opinions? I have no problem with you or others not believing it is Michael in those tracks.

I take offence with your claim above that I should not claim to be a fan because my opinion does not align with yours. I've been a fan for over 30 years. I have every single release Michael has ever put out, many multiple copies bought along the way. I've been working like a mad woman requesting and asking fans to request his new single, voting for song of summer and bought multiple copies of Xscape and LNFSG. Have been promoting Michael to my KG kids for years and family and friends. AND you claim I'm NOT a Michael Jackson fan??????:beee:
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

See. For me. this debate is not about opinion. Its a simple facts debate, and the fact is IT IS NOT MICHAEL ON THOSE TRACKS. Simple. It just isn't him. You can throw all kinds of arguments and views at me but that won't change the FACT. Michael never before or after 2007 sounded anything like that, NOT ONCE EVER, never recorded like that, NEVER EVER EVER ERASED WORK TAPES. All these Facts are what tell me I am right. Its not just my opinion here. I know this to be the truth for I am not a moron. I am sorry if people are insulted by their own intellect but that is hardly my fault, or problem. You are all welcome to reach your own conclusions, but please don't expect me to turn my back on my beliefs because yours don't match up.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

So, is it a real demo (made before 2004 released version) - from around 2000 or is it work in progress for MICHAEL album from 2010? I'm confused now. It sounds nothing like demo to me, but some members here were saying that it is the original demo.

My bad, I meant to say its an official demo. its a WIP for Michael, but it is official and not a fan mix, like some in the past suggested.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Why is it that as soon as I got "exclusive" information (my exchange with Angelo Montrone), I happily and immediately shared it with the world to see, while the anti-Cascio side only ever "hints" at what they have. "Corey Rooney said..." Ok, how about posting that email then? "Brad Buxer thinks..." Really, let's see the email!

With them, it's always this conspiracy tone, "You'll see one day, just you wait, I can't say more right now.." Just come out with it already, if you have anything.

Well a massive amount of what we have found out has been posted in the past, its being made to sound like there isn't anything against these tracks. Theres a difference, Montrone gave you permission to post that information (can you still send me screen plz?) Certain people were given permission to use interviews etc, they have told others what are in those interviews but have requested we do not give everything away. Its about trust.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Aaarrghhhh why was my post edited to begin with? Ever heard of free speech...If someone is acting like a jackASS or an imbecile, why can't I state it how I see it?

Anyway, my annoyance level with unnecessary censorship is reaching an all time level. But you do you censors... the fact remains, that person is an imbecile. And that is MY opinion.

FYI: If you do edit this AGAIN, spare me another spam / direct message. No explanation needed. Censor away.

Can we please have an explanation of how you came to this conclusion?
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

See. For me. this debate is not about opinion. Its a simple facts debate, and the fact is IT IS NOT MICHAEL ON THOSE TRACKS. Simple. It just isn't him. You can throw all kinds of arguments and views at me but that won't change the FACT. Michael never before or after 2007 sounded anything like that, NOT ONCE EVER, never recorded like that, NEVER EVER EVER ERASED WORK TAPES. All these Facts are what tell me I am right. Its not just my opinion here. I know this to be the truth for I am not a moron. I am sorry if people are insulted by their own intellect but that is hardly my fault, or problem. You are all welcome to reach your own conclusions, but please don't expect me to turn my back on my beliefs because yours don't match up.

You belief what you belief that is great - I don't expect you to "turn back your beliefs for anybody. So pls. have the same courtesy for others whose beliefs don't align with yours. I truly hope this goes to trial and every evidence possible from both sides is presented and we can finally reach a conclusion and move on (even though you already know all the facts). BTW how about requesting "Love" on the radio? https://sites.google.com/site/urbrhypopradiostations/
 
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